NCAA Tournament Thread

Michigan State was terrible. No inside game, no penetration and poor ballhandling throughout, rebounding was lacking. All outside jumpers. You have Payne and Dawson and don't use them inside? Izzo outcoached by Ollie and Michigan State outhustled by UConn. Napier is an outstanding ballplayer, great job.
 
UCONN fans must be doing something right. Lose Calhoun hire Ollie. Get to play at MSG in first NCAA games in fifty years.
On probation everyone stays.They are rejected by ACC but make the Final Four.
You can't make it up.
 
We should have hired Cal

Somebody said it the other day, but it bares repeating; we would have a national championship if they had hired Calipari after Lou. Probably would have an asterisk next to it, but there would be a NC.
 
Kentucky started 5 freshman. Also watching the elite 8 this weekend got me thinking(not always a good thing) about the talent level of the kids on the 8 teams compared to our talent level. Of our main 8 players, 6 were 4 star recruits coming out of High School. One(Jordan) was a 5 star recruit and one(Sanchez) a JC AA.
From a High School ranking perspective, , that rivals any other team in the elite 8 with the exception of maybe Kentucky.
 
Michigan State was terrible. No inside game, no penetration and poor ballhandling throughout, rebounding was lacking. All outside jumpers. You have Payne and Dawson and don't use them inside? Izzo outcoached by Ollie and Michigan State outhustled by UConn. Napier is an outstanding ballplayer, great job.

Pukon's half court defense was outstanding. Took Michigan right out of its offense.
 
Kentucky started 5 freshman. Also watching the elite 8 this weekend got me thinking(not always a good thing) about the talent level of the kids on the 8 teams compared to our talent level. Of our main 8 players, 6 were 4 star recruits coming out of High School. One(Jordan) was a 5 star recruit and one(Sanchez) a JC AA.
From a High School ranking perspective, , that rivals any other team in the elite 8 with the exception of maybe Kentucky.

Yup.

But, with that talent in mind, it's shocking at times how far away we seem from these teams in certain respects, especially offensively. I had the chance to sit very close to the action Friday night, and with no rooting interest was just observing. The structure, discipline, and ball movement from these teams on offense is really what jumped out contrasted against our games.

While we lacked consistency in these departments (to our ultimate demise the last 2 weeks of the season), at our highest points this year I thought we competed defensively, on the backboards, and for 50/50 balls at the level those games were played Friday night.

But we are a world away offensively. Even in the stretches where the teams weren't scoring (largely do to the defensive intensity of the games), there was no dribbling east/west 30 feet from the basket, no out of control 1 on 1, no one pass and shot. They trusted their stuff and ran it consistently for all 40 minutes. They were executing what team offense looks like at the highest levels of Division 1 college basketball. We do not do that.
 
It was at Uconn in early December and Scott W. got hurt in the game and sat out down the stretch.
 
Kentucky started 5 freshman. Also watching the elite 8 this weekend got me thinking(not always a good thing) about the talent level of the kids on the 8 teams compared to our talent level. Of our main 8 players, 6 were 4 star recruits coming out of High School. One(Jordan) was a 5 star recruit and one(Sanchez) a JC AA.
From a High School ranking perspective, , that rivals any other team in the elite 8 with the exception of maybe Kentucky.

Yup.

But, with that talent in mind, it's shocking at times how far away we seem from these teams in certain respects, especially offensively. I had the chance to sit very close to the action Friday night, and with no rooting interest was just observing. The structure, discipline, and ball movement from these teams on offense is really what jumped out contrasted against our games.

While we lacked consistency in these departments (to our ultimate demise the last 2 weeks of the season), at our highest points this year I thought we competed defensively, on the backboards, and for 50/50 balls at the level those games were played Friday night.

But we are a world away offensively. Even in the stretches where the teams weren't scoring (largely do to the defensive intensity of the games), there was no dribbling east/west 30 feet from the basket, no out of control 1 on 1, no one pass and shot. They trusted their stuff and ran it consistently for all 40 minutes. They were executing what team offense looks like at the highest levels of Division 1 college basketball. We do not do that.

Those teams that played yesterday really move the ball. They have superior basketball talents that take and make tough shots. I don't think if you gave our players to Ollie or Calipari that the results are much better.
 
Looks like reports of the demise of UConn basketball under Kevin Ollie have been premature.

UConn once again getting lucky and playing hot at the right time. The NCAA tournament doesn't always determine the best team, it has a lot to do with matchups, who's hot at the right time, and of course a lot of luck. There's a reason UConn was a 7 seed coming in.
 
Looks like reports of the demise of UConn basketball under Kevin Ollie have been premature.

UConn once again getting lucky and playing hot at the right time. The NCAA tournament doesn't always determine the best team, it has a lot to do with matchups, who's hot at the right time, and of course a lot of luck. There's a reason UConn was a 7 seed coming in.

All the more reason why Ollie's looking good. Plus, he's young, a former NBAer, and his players seem to love him.
 
Kentucky started 5 freshman. Also watching the elite 8 this weekend got me thinking(not always a good thing) about the talent level of the kids on the 8 teams compared to our talent level. Of our main 8 players, 6 were 4 star recruits coming out of High School. One(Jordan) was a 5 star recruit and one(Sanchez) a JC AA.
From a High School ranking perspective, , that rivals any other team in the elite 8 with the exception of maybe Kentucky.

Yup.

But, with that talent in mind, it's shocking at times how far away we seem from these teams in certain respects, especially offensively. I had the chance to sit very close to the action Friday night, and with no rooting interest was just observing. The structure, discipline, and ball movement from these teams on offense is really what jumped out contrasted against our games.

While we lacked consistency in these departments (to our ultimate demise the last 2 weeks of the season), at our highest points this year I thought we competed defensively, on the backboards, and for 50/50 balls at the level those games were played Friday night.

But we are a world away offensively. Even in the stretches where the teams weren't scoring (largely do to the defensive intensity of the games), there was no dribbling east/west 30 feet from the basket, no out of control 1 on 1, no one pass and shot. They trusted their stuff and ran it consistently for all 40 minutes. They were executing what team offense looks like at the highest levels of Division 1 college basketball. We do not do that.

Those teams that played yesterday really move the ball. They have superior basketball talents that take and make tough shots. I don't think if you gave our players to Ollie or Calipari that the results are much better.

I respectfully + wholeheartedly disagree.
 
Kentucky started 5 freshman. Also watching the elite 8 this weekend got me thinking(not always a good thing) about the talent level of the kids on the 8 teams compared to our talent level. Of our main 8 players, 6 were 4 star recruits coming out of High School. One(Jordan) was a 5 star recruit and one(Sanchez) a JC AA.
From a High School ranking perspective, , that rivals any other team in the elite 8 with the exception of maybe Kentucky.

Yup.

But, with that talent in mind, it's shocking at times how far away we seem from these teams in certain respects, especially offensively. I had the chance to sit very close to the action Friday night, and with no rooting interest was just observing. The structure, discipline, and ball movement from these teams on offense is really what jumped out contrasted against our games.

While we lacked consistency in these departments (to our ultimate demise the last 2 weeks of the season), at our highest points this year I thought we competed defensively, on the backboards, and for 50/50 balls at the level those games were played Friday night.

But we are a world away offensively. Even in the stretches where the teams weren't scoring (largely do to the defensive intensity of the games), there was no dribbling east/west 30 feet from the basket, no out of control 1 on 1, no one pass and shot. They trusted their stuff and ran it consistently for all 40 minutes. They were executing what team offense looks like at the highest levels of Division 1 college basketball. We do not do that.

Those teams that played yesterday really move the ball. They have superior basketball talents that take and make tough shots. I don't think if you gave our players to Ollie or Calipari that the results are much better.

I respectfully + wholeheartedly disagree.

+1, also have to disagree here Beast. I am not saying that, collectively, MSU doesn't have more talent than we do. But the gap between talent is far less than the gap between the way the teams play on the floor, and that's the critical point.

And I think that ties back to perhaps the main point. When the MSU players were coming in, how much more talent did they have on paper than when the SJU players were coming in? That's where I really think you'll find very little gap between us and all but the very top few teams in the country (which perhaps makes MSU not the best example). The top coaches cultivate their players and those players get materially better over the course of their careers.

We have not had that kind of player development, at all. On a team full of players who had been with the program 2 and 3 years this past season, how many do you look at and say "that kid has gotten so much better since he was a freshman"? That, to me, is as big a problem as any we face under the current regime. These teams may have better players than us now - at least players playing better than ours now - but I don't know how much better they were coming in.

You give our players to Izzo for 12 months, put them in the bracket MSU was playing in, and I think that team is playing at the Garden this weekend also.
 
Kentucky started 5 freshman. Also watching the elite 8 this weekend got me thinking(not always a good thing) about the talent level of the kids on the 8 teams compared to our talent level. Of our main 8 players, 6 were 4 star recruits coming out of High School. One(Jordan) was a 5 star recruit and one(Sanchez) a JC AA.
From a High School ranking perspective, , that rivals any other team in the elite 8 with the exception of maybe Kentucky.

Yup.

But, with that talent in mind, it's shocking at times how far away we seem from these teams in certain respects, especially offensively. I had the chance to sit very close to the action Friday night, and with no rooting interest was just observing. The structure, discipline, and ball movement from these teams on offense is really what jumped out contrasted against our games.

While we lacked consistency in these departments (to our ultimate demise the last 2 weeks of the season), at our highest points this year I thought we competed defensively, on the backboards, and for 50/50 balls at the level those games were played Friday night.

But we are a world away offensively. Even in the stretches where the teams weren't scoring (largely do to the defensive intensity of the games), there was no dribbling east/west 30 feet from the basket, no out of control 1 on 1, no one pass and shot. They trusted their stuff and ran it consistently for all 40 minutes. They were executing what team offense looks like at the highest levels of Division 1 college basketball. We do not do that.

Those teams that played yesterday really move the ball. They have superior basketball talents that take and make tough shots. I don't think if you gave our players to Ollie or Calipari that the results are much better.

I respectfully + wholeheartedly disagree.

+1, also have to disagree here Beast. I am not saying that, collectively, MSU doesn't have more talent than we do. But the gap between talent is far less than the gap between the way the teams play on the floor, and that's the critical point.

And I think that ties back to perhaps the main point. When the MSU players were coming in, how much more talent did they have on paper than when the SJU players were coming in? That's where I really think you'll find very little gap between us and all but the very top few teams in the country (which perhaps makes MSU not the best example). The top coaches cultivate their players and those players get materially better over the course of their careers.

We have not had that kind of player development, at all. On a team full of players who had been with the program 2 and 3 years this past season, how many do you look at and say "that kid has gotten so much better since he was a freshman"? That, to me, is as big a problem as any we face under the current regime. These teams may have better players than us now - at least players playing better than ours now - but I don't know how much better they were coming in.

You give our players to Izzo for 12 months, put them in the bracket MSU was playing in, and I think that team is playing at the Garden this weekend also.

Ironic that you should mention MSU because they were one of the teams that I specifically looked at, and then looked up their players. As you said, those MSU kids coming out of High School were comparably ranked to our kids. There's no reason at all why those kids look like a cohesive unit, and advanced to the elite 8, and ours don't and got clobbered in the first round of the NIT. Well there is one reason.
 
Kentucky started 5 freshman. Also watching the elite 8 this weekend got me thinking(not always a good thing) about the talent level of the kids on the 8 teams compared to our talent level. Of our main 8 players, 6 were 4 star recruits coming out of High School. One(Jordan) was a 5 star recruit and one(Sanchez) a JC AA.
From a High School ranking perspective, , that rivals any other team in the elite 8 with the exception of maybe Kentucky.

Yup.

But, with that talent in mind, it's shocking at times how far away we seem from these teams in certain respects, especially offensively. I had the chance to sit very close to the action Friday night, and with no rooting interest was just observing. The structure, discipline, and ball movement from these teams on offense is really what jumped out contrasted against our games.

While we lacked consistency in these departments (to our ultimate demise the last 2 weeks of the season), at our highest points this year I thought we competed defensively, on the backboards, and for 50/50 balls at the level those games were played Friday night.

But we are a world away offensively. Even in the stretches where the teams weren't scoring (largely do to the defensive intensity of the games), there was no dribbling east/west 30 feet from the basket, no out of control 1 on 1, no one pass and shot. They trusted their stuff and ran it consistently for all 40 minutes. They were executing what team offense looks like at the highest levels of Division 1 college basketball. We do not do that.

Those teams that played yesterday really move the ball. They have superior basketball talents that take and make tough shots. I don't think if you gave our players to Ollie or Calipari that the results are much better.

I respectfully + wholeheartedly disagree.

+1, also have to disagree here Beast. I am not saying that, collectively, MSU doesn't have more talent than we do. But the gap between talent is far less than the gap between the way the teams play on the floor, and that's the critical point.

And I think that ties back to perhaps the main point. When the MSU players were coming in, how much more talent did they have on paper than when the SJU players were coming in? That's where I really think you'll find very little gap between us and all but the very top few teams in the country (which perhaps makes MSU not the best example). The top coaches cultivate their players and those players get materially better over the course of their careers.

We have not had that kind of player development, at all. On a team full of players who had been with the program 2 and 3 years this past season, how many do you look at and say "that kid has gotten so much better since he was a freshman"? That, to me, is as big a problem as any we face under the current regime. These teams may have better players than us now - at least players playing better than ours now - but I don't know how much better they were coming in.

You give our players to Izzo for 12 months, put them in the bracket MSU was playing in, and I think that team is playing at the Garden this weekend also.

Ironic that you should mention MSU because they were one of the teams that I specifically looked at, and then looked up their players. As you said, those MSU kids coming out of High School were comparably ranked to our kids. There's no reason at all why those kids look like a cohesive unit, and advanced to the elite 8, and ours don't and got clobbered in the first round of the NIT. Well there is one reason.

They didn't look much like a cohesive unit yesterday and yet they still were there and had a chance. UConn just look so much quicker to me than Michigan State did.

By the way, I am not disagreeing with you premise that Izzo could do something with our guys.
 
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