Mount St. Mary's, Wed. Dec. 5, 6:30p, FS-2 / 970 WNYM

We could have pressed them and let Ponds loose for 50 pts to destroy them and walked away with nothing.

Ponds gave away 5 wide open layups at the basket to get others involved and that should tell us all we need to know about this game.

One good takeaway was Simon getting touches on hard cuts and post-ups as well as working extensively with Mitch on posting up pre-game. Another is Clark finding his touch. Two positives and a W from a sh*t opponent is all you can ask.
 
[quote="Adam" post=306535]Ok we won, and by more than 10. Glad our season wasn't ruined, but not much else positive to take from this game.[/quote]


Was at the game, and as many have said
“ not pretty “ but one L and the season is
“ ruined “.......wow
 
Zach B
With the athletes St. John's has, there is no reason to be this bad defensively on the perimeter. But it's been a staple of Mullin's teams. #sjubb
 
[quote="Marillac" post=306545]We could have pressed them and let Ponds loose for 50 pts to destroy them and walked away with nothing.

Ponds gave away 5 wide open layups at the basket to get others involved and that should tell us all we need to know about this game.

One good takeaway was Simon getting touches on hard cuts and post-ups as well as working extensively with Mitch on posting up pre-game. Another is Clark finding his touch. Two positives and a W from a sh*t opponent is all you can ask.[/quote]


I agree with first part but Ponds not doing any shooting and giving up layups to kick out for threes was not a good idea. I get what he is trying to do but you can't play different games depending on your opponent. Ponds needs to get his teammates involved but still be involved.
 
I don’t get this criticism. Ponds is trying to put his teammates in good positions and show them some confidence. If there was ever a game to try that, it was against this winless team. He’s more than capable of taking over games against the upper echelon teams, I don’t have a problem with him doing this against teams like Mount St Mary’s. If we ever trailed in this game, I’m sure he would have changed his strategy.
 
[quote="guinness77" post=306549]I don’t get this criticism. Ponds is trying to put his teammates in good positions and show them some confidence. If there was ever a game to try that, it was against this winless team. He’s more than capable of taking over games against the upper echelon teams, I don’t have a problem with him doing this against teams like Mount St Mary’s. If we ever trailed in this game, I’m sure he would have changed his strategy.[/quote]

I love Ponds but he was setting up harder shots then the one he currently had. If we are up 20 and playing well fine but the way he was playing coupled with our terrible D just gave game more of a would didn't play hard vibe.
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=306543]Take the W...but not what I expected paying $10 to watch for in flight Wi-Fi...

I almost stayed overnight in NY to go to game live after work meeting on LI... Glad I didnt.

I dont like Ponds intentionally not playing offense to distribute only. Still got points but feels forced.[/quote]

Totally agree! He passed up open layups. It was like he was playing to pad his assist total so he can show off his pg skills for the nba.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=306547]Zach B
With the athletes St. John's has, there is no reason to be this bad defensively on the perimeter. But it's been a staple of Mullin's teams. #sjubb[/quote]

What should he do Paultz?

Worst perimeter defenders on team:

1. Dixon
2. Ponds
3. Simon
4. Clark
5. Heron
 
[quote="guinness77" post=306541]Not that pretty, nothing great to take out of it but we were never losing that game. Take the win, stop the bitching, we’re 8-0.

We play to our level of competition, for better or for worse. I think that much is obvious at this point, I’m not gonna over analyze it.[/quote]

Teams that constantly play to the level of the competition under perform overall in a season. That this trait is carried on season to season implicates the coach more than the players. Like Lavin, Mullin is too laid back as a motivator.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=306550][quote="guinness77" post=306549]I don’t get this criticism. Ponds is trying to put his teammates in good positions and show them some confidence. If there was ever a game to try that, it was against this winless team. He’s more than capable of taking over games against the upper echelon teams, I don’t have a problem with him doing this against teams like Mount St Mary’s. If we ever trailed in this game, I’m sure he would have changed his strategy.[/quote]

I love Ponds but he was setting up harder shots then the one he currently had. If we are up 20 and playing well fine but the way he was playing coupled with our terrible D just gave game more of a would didn't play hard vibe.[/quote]
I just think that’s how easy the game comes to him. I think if he felt he needed to “take over” he would have. I agree with the sentiment, I’d rather him be a little more cold blooded, but my gut tells me he would have if he felt he needed to.
 
[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=306546][quote="Adam" post=306535]Ok we won, and by more than 10. Glad our season wasn't ruined, but not much else positive to take from this game.[/quote]


Was at the game, and as many have said
“ not pretty “ but one L and the season is
“ ruined “.......wow[/quote]

?

Come on, I'm not a negative poster and this post wasn't even negative lol. A bit of an exaggeration, obviously losing this game would not cost us the season. It would however be the worst possible loss. Given our OOC, losing would've been a massive blow without a chance to recover until BE play.

As I said, I'm glad we won. No need to over analyze my post, just like we all don't need to over analyze the game. On to MSG for me.
 
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[quote="Marillac" post=306545]We could have pressed them and let Ponds loose for 50 pts to destroy them and walked away with nothing.

Ponds gave away 5 wide open layups at the basket to get others involved and that should tell us all we need to know about this game[/quote]e

This is complete bunk. SJU is not intentionally doing things to keep things close against inferior teams so as to gain experience in tight games.
 
He definitely shouldn't be passing up easy buckets. However, it's very obvious that he should be controlling the offense a majority of the time. He clearly creates many open shots for others, as well as being able to get his own shot off easily.
 
[quote="guinness77" post=306554][quote="we are sju" post=306550][quote="guinness77" post=306549]I don’t get this criticism. Ponds is trying to put his teammates in good positions and show them some confidence. If there was ever a game to try that, it was against this winless team. He’s more than capable of taking over games against the upper echelon teams, I don’t have a problem with him doing this against teams like Mount St Mary’s. If we ever trailed in this game, I’m sure he would have changed his strategy.[/quote]

I love Ponds but he was setting up harder shots then the one he currently had. If we are up 20 and playing well fine but the way he was playing coupled with our terrible D just gave game more of a would didn't play hard vibe.[/quote]
I just think that’s how easy the game comes to him. I think if he felt he needed to “take over” he would have. I agree with the sentiment, I’d rather him be a little more cold blooded, but my gut tells me he would have if he felt he needed to.[/quote]

He is never going to be Mark Jackson,

Rod Strickland should be the template. Penetrate still look for your shots and when D converges hit the open guy. If particular guy has it going like Clark in first half you feed him. Not shooting and hunting assists verse certain teams is a dangerous strategy.
 
got the 10+ win 8-0 which is all that matters for the NET rankings a few months from now. Past teams we have seen guys going for theirs, but these guys shared the ball all game. Defense was terrible. That's about it.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=306556][quote="Marillac" post=306545]We could have pressed them and let Ponds loose for 50 pts to destroy them and walked away with nothing.

Ponds gave away 5 wide open layups at the basket to get others involved and that should tell us all we need to know about this game[/quote]e

This is complete bunk. SJU is not intentionally doing things to keep things close against inferior teams so as to gain experience in tight games.[/quote]

The team no. You don't think Ponds went into this game saying this team sucks I am going to show how unselfish I am?
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=306553][quote="guinness77" post=306541]Not that pretty, nothing great to take out of it but we were never losing that game. Take the win, stop the bitching, we’re 8-0.

We play to our level of competition, for better or for worse. I think that much is obvious at this point, I’m not gonna over analyze it.[/quote]

Teams that constantly play to the level of the competition under perform overall in a season. That this trait is carried on season to season implicates the coach more than the players. Like Lavin, Mullin is too laid back as a motivator.[/quote]
I honestly don’t know what to say to posts like this. What kind of team do you guys think we have? Can we beat anyone if we needed to? Possibly. Are we a 20-10/21-9 team that may win an NCAA game? That’s highly possible too. Maybe I’m getting older but that’s what we are, and that’s what we’ll probably be. We’re not gonna go 25-5 and make the Elite 8. Get that in your heads now. Enjoy Ponds while you have him, we may get Heron another season at least.

You want to get on something? Blame the recruiting. You had to figure we can’t get over the hump without a competent big man. Not even one. Once the season began, that was obvious to me. You can’t win, for real, without a great 4 or 5. We have neither. Period.

Me, I’m gonna ride the ups-and-downs and hope we FINALLY, at least, win a tourney game. Seems like a realistic thought to me.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=306552][quote="Paultzman" post=306547]Zach B
With the athletes St. John's has, there is no reason to be this bad defensively on the perimeter. But it's been a staple of Mullin's teams. #sjubb[/quote]

What should he do Paultz?

Worst perimeter defenders on team:

1. Dixon
2. Ponds
3. Simon
4. Clark
5. Heron[/quote]

I’m a fan, not a coach. :)

I do think the team too often looks to double guys, then are too far away from their man to recover on kick outs. I get it when playing v solid bigs, but not against teams like this. We also get beat often by transition threes, but not sure how bad that was tonight.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=306560][quote="fordham96" post=306556][quote="Marillac" post=306545]We could have pressed them and let Ponds loose for 50 pts to destroy them and walked away with nothing.

Ponds gave away 5 wide open layups at the basket to get others involved and that should tell us all we need to know about this game[/quote]e

This is complete bunk. SJU is not intentionally doing things to keep things close against inferior teams so as to gain experience in tight games.[/quote]

The team no. You don't think Ponds went into this game saying this team sucks I am going to show how unselfish I am?[/quote] Im absolutely positive he comes into some games making a conscious effort to get others a ton of shots. I also think game close he's going to just keep the ball and try and go for the throat which I respect also
 
[quote="we are sju" post=306560][quote="fordham96" post=306556][quote="Marillac" post=306545]We could have pressed them and let Ponds loose for 50 pts to destroy them and walked away with nothing.

Ponds gave away 5 wide open layups at the basket to get others involved and that should tell us all we need to know about this game[/quote]e

This is complete bunk. SJU is not intentionally doing things to keep things close against inferior teams so as to gain experience in tight games.[/quote]

The team no. You don't think Ponds went into this game saying this team sucks I am going to show how unselfish I am?[/quote]

No I don't but even if I did I don't think that would have changed the fact that the team would've struggled. The overall idea that they didn't intentionally do something that could've made this a blowout is beyond stupid.
I mean the top 5 guys all played 30 minutes plus against an 0-7 team that was a 25+ underdog. Are we saying that was planned too?
There is a pattern here of mediocre performances against bad/mediocre teams. Are we saying this is all coordinated too?
And why all the focus on Ponds. Last time I checked this is the most talented team at SJU in almost 2 decades...that should mean something.
 
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