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There comes a point when wanting something isn’t enough, no matter how fervently you hope for it. There wasn’t a soul in New York with any kind of feel for the city’s basketball history who didn’t want Chris Mullin to find magic at St. John’s. It had everything you wanted for a fairy tale: an old hero, an old kingdom, a waiting throne.
All that was missing was the happy ending.

Four years later, we are still waiting for the happy ending.

Four years later, in what was supposed to be the culmination of this beautiful basketball ballad, the Johnnies are trapped in a mudslide and can’t figure a way out of it. This was supposed to be a nonstop flight toward a splendid destiny.

Instead, it is last place in the Big East.

This time it was an 89-78 loss at the Garden to Georgetown in front of 17,801 fans who were mostly clad in red and mostly departed muttering to themselves. The Johnnies played as they have too often lately: There were a couple of four-and-five minutes stretches where they were engaged, interested and prosperous.

And vast swatches where they seemed utterly disinterested in any of the fundamental things that define good basketball teams: defense, tone, pace, togetherness.

“We kind of went through the motions in the first half,” sophomore guard Mustapha Heron admitted, and while you can give Heron extra credit for honesty, you do have to ask: Why do they do this to themselves game after game? Against the tomato cans they flattened in November and December, all you need is 10 good minutes. In the Big East, you need 40.

“We have to regroup,” said Shamorie Ponds, who was his usually heroic self with 21 points even as he shot only 1-for-5 from 3. “As a team we aren’t as together as we were in the beginning. We have to get back to our winning ways.”

Can they? There remains a surfeit of talent in the rotation, and while that makes the home losses these past two weeks to DePaul and Georgetown hard to fathom, it also suggests they could figure it out again. This is the same team that humbled Marquette, the same team that led Villanova after 35 minutes on the road. That team is hidden in there somewhere.

It is on Mullin to lure it out of its cocoon, and soon. Can he do that? He has lived the first 3 ½ years of his coaching career on scholarship, receiving far more benefit of the doubt than any other man in this job ever would. That is inarguable. Most people believed Mullin would get it done here because they wanted to believe he would get it done here, because that’s the only good way for this story to end.
https://nypost.com/2019/01/27/the-chris-mullin-whispers-look-justified-as-st-johns-collapses/
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=317810]There comes a point when wanting something isn’t enough, no matter how fervently you hope for it. There wasn’t a soul in New York with any kind of feel for the city’s basketball history who didn’t want Chris Mullin to find magic at St. John’s. It had everything you wanted for a fairy tale: an old hero, an old kingdom, a waiting throne.
All that was missing was the happy ending.

Four years later, we are still waiting for the happy ending.

Four years later, in what was supposed to be the culmination of this beautiful basketball ballad, the Johnnies are trapped in a mudslide and can’t figure a way out of it. This was supposed to be a nonstop flight toward a splendid destiny.

Instead, it is last place in the Big East.

This time it was an 89-78 loss at the Garden to Georgetown in front of 17,801 fans who were mostly clad in red and mostly departed muttering to themselves. The Johnnies played as they have too often lately: There were a couple of four-and-five minutes stretches where they were engaged, interested and prosperous.

And vast swatches where they seemed utterly disinterested in any of the fundamental things that define good basketball teams: defense, tone, pace, togetherness.

“We kind of went through the motions in the first half,” sophomore guard Mustapha Heron admitted, and while you can give Heron extra credit for honesty, you do have to ask: Why do they do this to themselves game after game? Against the tomato cans they flattened in November and December, all you need is 10 good minutes.

the Big East, you need 40.

“We have to regroup,” said Shamorie Ponds, who was his usually heroic self with 21 points even as he shot only 1-for-5 from 3. “As a team we aren’t as together as we were in the beginning. We have to get back to our winning ways.”

Can they? There remains a surfeit of talent in the rotation, and while that makes the home losses these past two weeks to DePaul and Georgetown hard to fathom, it also suggests they could figure it out again. This is the same team that humbled Marquette, the same team that led Villanova after 35 minutes on the road. That team is hidden in there somewhere.

It is on Mullin to lure it out of its cocoon, and soon. Can he do that? He has lived the first 3 ½ years of his coaching career on scholarship, receiving far more benefit of the doubt than any other man in this job ever would. That is inarguable. Most people believed Mullin would get it done here because they wanted to believe he would get it done here, because that’s the only good way for this story to end.
https://nypost.com/2019/01/27/the-chris-mullin-whispers-look-justified-as-st-johns-collapses/[/quote]


I really really hate to say “I f’in told you so!(not to you Paultz)”. But this team played undisciplined and lazy ball for a large chunks of their OOC games. And I complained about it back then. And then it carried over to the Big East games. And look where we are now. This could wind up being the single most disappointing season ever for me as an SJU fan, and that’s saying a lot considering some of the seasons we’ve had to endur.
 
I’ve been a Mullin supporter but Vaccaro tells it like it is, and he’s right about this.

I am still not writing us off just yet- but this part from the story is ominous:

“I feel as a team we’ve all parted ways,” Ponds said Sunday, and for those who have watched, it is a pinpoint description of what’s happened. It’s on them to change the narrative around them. And on the coach to push them there.”
 
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Story by Vaccaro hits the nail right on the head. I have been rooting for Mullin to succeed from day 1. However, today was a bad day for him in so many ways (team w/o timeouts for last 7 plus minutes which cost them dearly, timeout huddles where he is tying his shoes and looking away from team huddle, disturbing quotes about going through the motions and pulling apart from his key players). Today couldn't help but bring back memories of the infamous Michael Ray Richardson quote.

Bottom line is team needs to win 2 of next 3 to salvage season. They are talented enough to do that. Question is can they be prepared and focused enough. We'll see. Still hoping we can turn things around but we need focus and intensity from players & staff.
 
It was a game at MSG against Georgetown in front of a large crowd. We are a veteran team who's lost their way. If our players can't get up for that, then that's on them. Under no circumstance should Mullin have had to make them ready to play today.
 
[quote="Monte" post=317817][quote="Paultzman" post=317810]There comes a point when wanting something isn’t enough, no matter how fervently you hope for it. There wasn’t a soul in New York with any kind of feel for the city’s basketball history who didn’t want Chris Mullin to find magic at St. John’s. It had everything you wanted for a fairy tale: an old hero, an old kingdom, a waiting throne.
All that was missing was the happy ending.

Four years later, we are still waiting for the happy ending.

Four years later, in what was supposed to be the culmination of this beautiful basketball ballad, the Johnnies are trapped in a mudslide and can’t figure a way out of it. This was supposed to be a nonstop flight toward a splendid destiny.

Instead, it is last place in the Big East.

This time it was an 89-78 loss at the Garden to Georgetown in front of 17,801 fans who were mostly clad in red and mostly departed muttering to themselves. The Johnnies played as they have too often lately: There were a couple of four-and-five minutes stretches where they were engaged, interested and prosperous.

And vast swatches where they seemed utterly disinterested in any of the fundamental things that define good basketball teams: defense, tone, pace, togetherness.

“We kind of went through the motions in the first half,” sophomore guard Mustapha Heron admitted, and while you can give Heron extra credit for honesty, you do have to ask: Why do they do this to themselves game after game? Against the tomato cans they flattened in November and December, all you need is 10 good minutes.

the Big East, you need 40.

“We have to regroup,” said Shamorie Ponds, who was his usually heroic self with 21 points even as he shot only 1-for-5 from 3. “As a team we aren’t as together as we were in the beginning. We have to get back to our winning ways.”

Can they? There remains a surfeit of talent in the rotation, and while that makes the home losses these past two weeks to DePaul and Georgetown hard to fathom, it also suggests they could figure it out again. This is the same team that humbled Marquette, the same team that led Villanova after 35 minutes on the road. That team is hidden in there somewhere.

It is on Mullin to lure it out of its cocoon, and soon. Can he do that? He has lived the first 3 ½ years of his coaching career on scholarship, receiving far more benefit of the doubt than any other man in this job ever would. That is inarguable. Most people believed Mullin would get it done here because they wanted to believe he would get it done here, because that’s the only good way for this story to end.
https://nypost.com/2019/01/27/the-chris-mullin-whispers-look-justified-as-st-johns-collapses/[/quote]


I really really hate to say “I f’in told you so!(not to you Paultz)”. But this team played undisciplined and lazy ball for a large chunks of their OOC games. And I complained about it back then. And then it carried over to the Big East games. And look where we are now. [/quote]

I also complained about our lackluster play in OOC games, but received backlash from a handful of posters. I could only base my opinon on what I was witnessing. I figured I was witnessing a carry over from the last season or two.

I was hopeful we could transform, minimize or make corrections once the conference season started. In the back of my mind, I knew better. I was just attempting to be optimistic about it. Unfortunately, my thoughts are playing out.
 
[quote="Monte" post=317817][quote="Paultzman" post=317810]There comes a point when wanting something isn’t enough, no matter how fervently you hope for it. There wasn’t a soul in New York with any kind of feel for the city’s basketball history who didn’t want Chris Mullin to find magic at St. John’s. It had everything you wanted for a fairy tale: an old hero, an old kingdom, a waiting throne.
All that was missing was the happy ending.

Four years later, we are still waiting for the happy ending.

Four years later, in what was supposed to be the culmination of this beautiful basketball ballad, the Johnnies are trapped in a mudslide and can’t figure a way out of it. This was supposed to be a nonstop flight toward a splendid destiny.

Instead, it is last place in the Big East.

This time it was an 89-78 loss at the Garden to Georgetown in front of 17,801 fans who were mostly clad in red and mostly departed muttering to themselves. The Johnnies played as they have too often lately: There were a couple of four-and-five minutes stretches where they were engaged, interested and prosperous.

And vast swatches where they seemed utterly disinterested in any of the fundamental things that define good basketball teams: defense, tone, pace, togetherness.

“We kind of went through the motions in the first half,” sophomore guard Mustapha Heron admitted, and while you can give Heron extra credit for honesty, you do have to ask: Why do they do this to themselves game after game? Against the tomato cans they flattened in November and December, all you need is 10 good minutes.

the Big East, you need 40.

“We have to regroup,” said Shamorie Ponds, who was his usually heroic self with 21 points even as he shot only 1-for-5 from 3. “As a team we aren’t as together as we were in the beginning. We have to get back to our winning ways.”

Can they? There remains a surfeit of talent in the rotation, and while that makes the home losses these past two weeks to DePaul and Georgetown hard to fathom, it also suggests they could figure it out again. This is the same team that humbled Marquette, the same team that led Villanova after 35 minutes on the road. That team is hidden in there somewhere.

It is on Mullin to lure it out of its cocoon, and soon. Can he do that? He has lived the first 3 ½ years of his coaching career on scholarship, receiving far more benefit of the doubt than any other man in this job ever would. That is inarguable. Most people believed Mullin would get it done here because they wanted to believe he would get it done here, because that’s the only good way for this story to end.
https://nypost.com/2019/01/27/the-chris-mullin-whispers-look-justified-as-st-johns-collapses/[/quote]


I really really hate to say “I f’in told you so!(not to you Paultz)”. But this team played undisciplined and lazy ball for a large chunks of their OOC games. And I complained about it back then. And then it carried over to the Big East games. And look where we are now. This could wind up being the single most disappointing season ever for me as an SJU fan, and that’s saying a lot considering some of the seasons we’ve had to endur.[/quote]
You certainly did M.
 
That video clip of St. Jean / Mullin in the huddle may go down as representative of the Mullin era like we have memories of the root causes and failures of all the other coaches.

Over 10K views already.
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=317835]That video clip of St. Jean / Mullin in the huddle may go down as representative of the Mullin era like we have memories of the root causes and failures of all the other coaches.

Over 10K views already.[/quote]
Heck do you guys want him to do, coach with his shoes untied?
 
He nailed it when he said it is inarguable that Mullin is getting the benefit of the doubt more than anyone else would.

Remember my mantra in posts after posts there are posters who are making excuses for him they would NEVER be making under the same situation under a different coach. Just take the argument about Lavin winning 10 twice at the end but somehow if Mullin wins maybe 10 in year 4 we should be thrilled. It's so nonsensical on its surface its pathetic. That is the point.

Look at the people who make excuses for this roster and the fact they have essentially 7 players producing nothing. This is year 4 for crying out loud.
 
Stick a fork in Mullin he’s done

https://media.tenor.com/images/4ebf022af3f110de48bcab7c642b08c1/tenor.gif
 
We've sucked for 4 years now.

Anyone besides Mullin and 100% of this board would've completely given up on the staff last season.

Assuming we don't make the Tournament, it's time to move on. Try to retain Matt and the players.
 
Most of what is said on here is nonsense, People complain about the stupidest things. Chris Mullin clearly is in over his head here and if we don't make the tourney should be let go. Unfortunately the next guy is not going to be some unanimous choice as the program can't afford nor would a unanimous choice type want to coach here. So what is going to happen is half the board that is not in favor of the new guy is going to bitch and moan about him from the start. 5 years from now we are going to be right in same spot.
 
I hope that our new A.D. has been given the authority to fully and fairly evaluate our program at the end of the season and make decisions regarding it's future based upon data and daily observation

If his findings are not accepted by the hierarchy, there's no point in having an A.D. at St John's
 
Two Hall of fame coaches on the bench and the guy with the least experience(St. Jean) is giving the instruction. It makes no sense.
 
So next coach should be?
Let's see hot mid major coach? Last time we did that that worked out for a minute or two, until it didn't and now that guy is the most hated ex coach we have had.

Maybe hot local coach at lower level? Hofstra maybe? Well that also worked out for less than a minute last time we tried that.


Hey how about bring a guy out from TV? Greenberg? Well there was some reservations about him last time his name came up and last guy we hired from TV wasn't universally loved either.

How about former player? Mark Jackson maybe? Nah people had reservations about him and the best player ever was getting bitched about 2 years in, so that won't work.

Bob Hurley sr? Mike Rice? Believe it or not those to names might make most on here happy. But that says more about people on here than it does anything else.
 
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