Mike Anderson - Recruiting, Coaching, Etc.

[quote="Dan V" post=401494][quote="Moon Mullen" post=401484][quote="Brian3" post=401482][quote="Moon Mullen" post=401465][quote="Brian3" post=401452]
You are probably right about the last 15 years, I just happen to think that in year 3 of recruiting, with the staff we have, we should expect better results.[/quote]

How do you know what the results are if they haven’t played yet? I know I keep repeating that but still.[/quote]

Not to beat a dead horse, just the dead recruiting. I am taking the liberty of using a link Paultzman has posted in the Around The Big East thread about one hour ago that did not include our latest two star recruit

https://247sports.com/college/xavie...own-Seton-Hall-Big-East-Recruiting-154649516/

Yes we are number 11 in the Big East recruiting.
I rest my case on recruiting.
 
[quote="Moon Mullen" post=401436][quote="Moose" post=401434][quote="Moon Mullen" post=401431]There is no road to the final four that includes a 2 and 3 star ream. I can’t help this sound any other way then I am criticizing these kids but the reality is I am about to criticize the staff.
Is this the best the staff can do? The school is paying this coaching staff for these results in
recruiting. This has never led to long term success for any team. I am not privy to the staff’s thinking but when I see year 3 not deviating from this strategy, I only see small steps while standing in place.[/quote]

Butler circa 2010 and 2011 says hi[/quote]


So are you saying we are going to duplicate Butler results in 2010 & 2011?
What are your next five examples?[/quote]

He said there is no road to the Final Four with 2 and 3 star kids.

I pointed out two examples where it happens so there IS a road.

George Mason is another. Do I need 7 examples? It happened 3 times. Probably more. Game. Set. Match.
 
[quote="Brian3" post=401452]If Anderson can get us back to Friday Night of the BE Tourney or to the Round of 64 in the next two years, that's success- who cares what the kids rank that get us there.
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And he was 20 minutes from that happening
 
When will people just accept that after the Top 30 maybe 50 kids its all a crap shoot. I'm not touting this kid Stanley as the next Harrell, Rodman, Jerome Williams or anything, but I could care less if the kid is ranked 85 or 285. After that initial group I want a kid that 1. fits my system and scheme, 2. I know I can coach, 3. won't be a distraction with visions of grandeur. I'm sure there are other reasons if stuck in an elevator CMA would be able to tell you for why he picked that kid.
 
TBH, the AD knows we need a game changer type of player to allow out program to take a major step forward. They see Cuffe as that type of player that can elevate our program.

Both CMA and MC have been parts of programs that cut down the nets and were the last team standing. They are here to do the very same thing, which if and when it happens will be the far better than anything they've experienced before.

Agree with lawmanfan and others. Win and better players will come here.
 
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[quote="Moose" post=401505]When will people just accept that after the Top 30 maybe 50 kids its all a crap shoot. I'm not touting this kid Stanley as the next Harrell, Rodman, Jerome Williams or anything, but I could care less if the kid is ranked 85 or 285. After that initial group I want a kid that 1. fits my system and scheme, 2. I know I can coach, 3. won't be a distraction with visions of grandeur. I'm sure there are other reasons if stuck in an elevator CMA would be able to tell you for why he picked that kid.[/quote]

I agree, and to the comments about Final Four program that had zero or 1 four star players, the truth is by the time they made their move to the Final Four, their best guys were guys who were playing at the 4 star level.
 
We’ve gotten our fair share of 5 or high 4 star rated kids lately. Most from transfers. This kids were highly ranked went to a school and jumped ship quick. You don’t build a program that way. When you are Arizona is doesn’t matter if Justin Simon leaves. You took a shot and it didn’t work out. When Heron leaves Auburn same thing. Clark leaves Mich St they didn’t miss a beat. Build up the structure then try and bring in the final piece.
 
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[quote="Moose" post=401503][quote="Moon Mullen" post=401436][quote="Moose" post=401434][quote="Moon Mullen" post=401431]There is no road to the final four that includes a 2 and 3 star ream. I can’t help this sound any other way then I am criticizing these kids but the reality is I am about to criticize the staff.
Is this the best the staff can do? The school is paying this coaching staff for these results in
recruiting. This has never led to long term success for any team. I am not privy to the staff’s thinking but when I see year 3 not deviating from this strategy, I only see small steps while standing in place.[/quote]

Butler circa 2010 and 2011 says hi[/quote]


So are you saying we are going to duplicate Butler results in 2010 & 2011?
What are your next five examples?[/quote]

He said there is no road to the Final Four with 2 and 3 star kids.

I pointed out two examples where it happens so there IS a road.

George Mason is another. Do I need 7 examples? It happened 3 times. Probably more. Game. Set. Match.[/quote]

I am only going to respond once to this built on a dream nonsense.
The other 45 times you didn’t mention translates into Game. Set. Match.
 
[quote="Moon Mullen" post=401497][quote="Dan V" post=401494][quote="Moon Mullen" post=401484][quote="Brian3" post=401482][quote="Moon Mullen" post=401465][quote="Brian3" post=401452]
You are probably right about the last 15 years, I just happen to think that in year 3 of recruiting, with the staff we have, we should expect better results.[/quote]

How do you know what the results are if they haven’t played yet? I know I keep repeating that but still.[/quote]

Not to beat a dead horse, just the dead recruiting. I am taking the liberty of using a link Paultzman has posted in the Around The Big East thread about one hour ago that did not include our latest two star recruit

https://247sports.com/college/xavie...own-Seton-Hall-Big-East-Recruiting-154649516/

Yes we are number 11 in the Big East recruiting.
I rest my case on recruiting.[/quote]

https://247sports.com/player/omar-stanley-46103384/

I believe Stanley is a 3 star recruit just for the record. Argue your case with facts before you rest it. Every recruit, not counting the D1 transfers, that the staff landed have been 3 star recruits except for Wusu. So one 2 star stop repeating that, it’s not factual. The person who made that list knows just as much as you and me because again they haven’t played a college game yet.
 
[quote="Moon Mullen" post=401509][quote="Moose" post=401503][quote="Moon Mullen" post=401436][quote="Moose" post=401434][quote="Moon Mullen" post=401431]There is no road to the final four that includes a 2 and 3 star ream. I can’t help this sound any other way then I am criticizing these kids but the reality is I am about to criticize the staff.
Is this the best the staff can do? The school is paying this coaching staff for these results in
recruiting. This has never led to long term success for any team. I am not privy to the staff’s thinking but when I see year 3 not deviating from this strategy, I only see small steps while standing in place.[/quote]

Butler circa 2010 and 2011 says hi[/quote]


So are you saying we are going to duplicate Butler results in 2010 & 2011?
What are your next five examples?[/quote]

He said there is no road to the Final Four with 2 and 3 star kids.

I pointed out two examples where it happens so there IS a road.

George Mason is another. Do I need 7 examples? It happened 3 times. Probably more. Game. Set. Match.[/quote]

I am only going to respond once to this built on a dream nonsense.
The other 45 times you didn’t mention translates into Game. Set. Match.[/quote]

:whistle:
 
[quote="Moose" post=401503][quote="Moon Mullen" post=401436][quote="Moose" post=401434][quote="Moon Mullen" post=401431]There is no road to the final four that includes a 2 and 3 star ream. I can’t help this sound any other way then I am criticizing these kids but the reality is I am about to criticize the staff.
Is this the best the staff can do? The school is paying this coaching staff for these results in
recruiting. This has never led to long term success for any team. I am not privy to the staff’s thinking but when I see year 3 not deviating from this strategy, I only see small steps while standing in place.[/quote]

Butler circa 2010 and 2011 says hi[/quote]


So are you saying we are going to duplicate Butler results in 2010 & 2011?
What are your next five examples?[/quote]

He said there is no road to the Final Four with 2 and 3 star kids.

I pointed out two examples where it happens so there IS a road.

George Mason is another. Do I need 7 examples? It happened 3 times. Probably more. Game. Set. Match.[/quote]

Getting to the f4 is all great, but if we're getting that far then why not finish it and win the whole damn thing.
No team with 2 and 3 stars ever won it.
 
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=401513][quote="Moose" post=401503][quote="Moon Mullen" post=401436][quote="Moose" post=401434][quote="Moon Mullen" post=401431]There is no road to the final four that includes a 2 and 3 star ream. I can’t help this sound any other way then I am criticizing these kids but the reality is I am about to criticize the staff.
Is this the best the staff can do? The school is paying this coaching staff for these results in
recruiting. This has never led to long term success for any team. I am not privy to the staff’s thinking but when I see year 3 not deviating from this strategy, I only see small steps while standing in place.[/quote]

Butler circa 2010 and 2011 says hi[/quote]


So are you saying we are going to duplicate Butler results in 2010 & 2011?
What are your next five examples?[/quote]

He said there is no road to the Final Four with 2 and 3 star kids.

I pointed out two examples where it happens so there IS a road.

George Mason is another. Do I need 7 examples? It happened 3 times. Probably more. Game. Set. Match.[/quote]

Getting to the f4 is all great, but if we're getting that far then why not finish it and win the whole damn thing.
No team with 2 and 3 stars ever won it.[/quote]

A lot of teams haven’t won it all. Including SJU. So it’s not like we’re in a dry spell. We’re just like 200 plus other teams.
 
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Simon was a 5 star transfer
Jordan was a 5 star
Pointer was just short of 5 star caliber as a high 4 Jordan Brand All American

You kind of proved my point that we used to get tons of 4 stars easily and many 3's to patch holes. Now we get tons of 3's and 2's to patch holes. The kids had tons of talent with Lav/Mullin. Unfortunately for them neither one could coach. Especially not develop them. Many of them were poor character kids, but CMA is supposed to be better at getting high character kids. It just saddens me that we were the ones bragging not too long ago about our recruits...even up there with some big boys. All over the recruiting world news. And instead of picking up where we left off, our recruiting seems to have crashed and I'm not sure it recovers if CMA can't do it. That's why it's so important to recruit at a high enough level here to give us a chance. They are not all diamonds in a rough...I assure you. I wish they were. Some will play as their ranking implies. Some with exceed. Some will fall short. But the better the recruits you can get, the less the chance they totally flop IMO. These are the kids who are bigger, stronger, faster, and smarter.
 
[quote="Moose" post=401514][quote="EliteBaller K" post=401513][quote="Moose" post=401503][quote="Moon Mullen" post=401436][quote="Moose" post=401434][quote="Moon Mullen" post=401431]There is no road to the final four that includes a 2 and 3 star ream. I can’t help this sound any other way then I am criticizing these kids but the reality is I am about to criticize the staff.
Is this the best the staff can do? The school is paying this coaching staff for these results in
recruiting. This has never led to long term success for any team. I am not privy to the staff’s thinking but when I see year 3 not deviating from this strategy, I only see small steps while standing in place.[/quote]

Butler circa 2010 and 2011 says hi[/quote]


So are you saying we are going to duplicate Butler results in 2010 & 2011?
What are your next five examples?[/quote]

He said there is no road to the Final Four with 2 and 3 star kids.

I pointed out two examples where it happens so there IS a road.

George Mason is another. Do I need 7 examples? It happened 3 times. Probably more. Game. Set. Match.[/quote]

Getting to the f4 is all great, but if we're getting that far then why not finish it and win the whole damn thing.
No team with 2 and 3 stars ever won it.[/quote]

A lot of teams haven’t won it all. Including SJU. So it’s not like we’re in a dry spell. We’re just like 200 plus other teams.[/quote]

We'll have a better chace at achieving that with higher recriits. Start winning this season, and surprise people
Get ranked, do it for a few years, then get more talented kids to come, and go from there.
Cma could have top teams every year, and we'll see what happens.
Of course if he's still recruiting 2 or 3 stars then nm, but he did say he wanted to win a championship here, and know that it's only happening with 4 and 5 star recruits.
 
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=401517][quote="Moose" post=401514][quote="EliteBaller K" post=401513][quote="Moose" post=401503][quote="Moon Mullen" post=401436][quote="Moose" post=401434][quote="Moon Mullen" post=401431]There is no road to the final four that includes a 2 and 3 star ream. I can’t help this sound any other way then I am criticizing these kids but the reality is I am about to criticize the staff.
Is this the best the staff can do? The school is paying this coaching staff for these results in
recruiting. This has never led to long term success for any team. I am not privy to the staff’s thinking but when I see year 3 not deviating from this strategy, I only see small steps while standing in place.[/quote]

Butler circa 2010 and 2011 says hi[/quote]


So are you saying we are going to duplicate Butler results in 2010 & 2011?
What are your next five examples?[/quote]

He said there is no road to the Final Four with 2 and 3 star kids.

I pointed out two examples where it happens so there IS a road.

George Mason is another. Do I need 7 examples? It happened 3 times. Probably more. Game. Set. Match.[/quote]

Getting to the f4 is all great, but if we're getting that far then why not finish it and win the whole damn thing.
No team with 2 and 3 stars ever won it.[/quote]

A lot of teams haven’t won it all. Including SJU. So it’s not like we’re in a dry spell. We’re just like 200 plus other teams.[/quote]

We'll have a better chace at achieving that with higher recriits. Start winning this season, and surprise people
Get ranked, do it for a few years, then get more talented kids to come, and go from there.
Cma could have top teams every year, and we'll see what happens.
Of course if he's still recruiting 2 or 3 stars then nm, but he did say he wanted to win a championship here, and know that it's only happening with 4 and 5 star recruits.[/quote]

Agreed
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=401515]Simon was a 5 star transfer
Jordan was a 5 star
Pointer was just short of 5 star caliber as a high 4 Jordan Brand All American

You kind of proved my point that we used to get tons of 4 stars easily and many 3's to patch holes. Now we get tons of 3's and 2's to patch holes. The kids had tons of talent with Lav/Mullin. Unfortunately for them neither one could coach. Especially not develop them. Many of them were poor character kids, but CMA is supposed to be better at getting high character kids. It just saddens me that we were the ones bragging not too long ago about our recruits...even up there with some big boys. All over the recruiting world news. And instead of picking up where we left off, our recruiting seems to have crashed and I'm not sure it recovers if CMA can't do it. That's why it's so important to recruit at a high enough level here to give us a chance. They are not all diamonds in a rough...I assure you. I wish they were. Some will play as their ranking implies. Some with exceed. Some will fall short. But the better the recruits you can get, the less the chance they totally flop IMO. These are the kids who are bigger, stronger, faster, and smarter.[/quote]

Are you responding to me? If so, I'd like you to at least acknowledge the entire post I made. Including about the 4 stars who never amounted to anything, and the other 4 stars who gave us headaches.

Why even bring up Jordan? The kid was on his own schedule and traveled between campus and Philly whenever he chose. You want those types of kids in the program?

Pointer yea that's great. Did you read the reaction on this board his first three season? People literally wanted him off the team.

Simon I will admit was a great addition to our program. BUT there is a reason Arizona recruited over him. He wasn't a star player.
 
My favorite part about 4 and 5 star kids is we literally know that at least half of them are being recruited through shady tactics which include breaking the rules, yet people still can't understand why they won't choose us.
 
[quote="Room112" post=401520]My favorite part about 4 and 5 star kids is we literally know that at least half of them are being recruited through shady tactics which include breaking the rules, yet people still can't understand why they won't choose us.[/quote]

And this is some new phenomenon? I mean, every other coach we've ever had here got 4 and/or 5 star recruits. Christ, even Norm did. Ok, not many, but he did. And CMA got them at his previous stops. It can be done, and hopefully it will be done.
 
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[quote="Monte" post=401522][quote="Room112" post=401520]My favorite part about 4 and 5 star kids is we literally know that at least half of them are being recruited through shady tactics which include breaking the rules, yet people still can't understand why they won't choose us.[/quote]

And this is some new phenomenon? I mean, every other coach we've ever had here got 4 and/or 5 star recruits. Christ, even Norm did. Ok, not many, but he did.[/quote]

Do I know why CMA has not got any 4 or 5 recruits? No idea, none of us do really. So no use speculating or stressing over. Is it concerning? Yes as more classes pass by and we miss out it is.

But I will say that looking back at the recruiting success of the past 3 coaches with 4 and 5 star recruits, it's got us absolutely nowhere in terms of sustainable success. I just want to see a program built properly and will remain hopeful that success will breed higher level of recruits.
 
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[quote="Room112" post=401523][quote="Monte" post=401522][quote="Room112" post=401520]My favorite part about 4 and 5 star kids is we literally know that at least half of them are being recruited through shady tactics which include breaking the rules, yet people still can't understand why they won't choose us.[/quote]

And this is some new phenomenon? I mean, every other coach we've ever had here got 4 and/or 5 star recruits. Christ, even Norm did. Ok, not many, but he did.[/quote]

Do I know why CMA has not got any 4 or 5 recruits? No idea, none of us do really. So no use speculating or stressing over. Is it concerning? Yes as more classes pass by and we miss out it is.

But I will say that looking back at the recruiting success of the past 3 coaches with 4 and 5 star recruits, it's got us absolutely nowhere in terms of sustainable success. I just want to see a program built properly and will remain hopeful that success will breed higher level of recruits.[/quote]

The last 6 coaches here didn't succeed in spite of the fact that they recruited well, not because they recruited well. All 6 had issues having little to do with recruiting. I'm with you, I too am willing to wait a little longer to see the program be built properly with an eye on sustained success . That doesn't mean that I'm thrilled with the haul in CMA's 3rd class. The 2 things are not mutually exclusive, as much as many posters on this board are trying to make them.
 
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