Midnight Madness Countdown

[beast of the east]

If Bashir keeps working hard, he has a chance to be a Billy Goodwin type player. He can handle, has a nice mid range game, a decent shot from 3, and is very athletic. He is a great addition to the program.

Tough comparison because Goodwin did so many things so well for a team that competed at the top of the Big East. Goodwin made few mistakes, got off the floor really well, had a great mid range game and in, defended and rebounded well. Respect your opinions but Goodwin is a very high bar for any kid coming into the program, so I think your qualifier here is Goodwin type player. That would be good enough for me even if the likelihood is that he won't be another Goodwin.

 

[SJU85]

If Bashir keeps working hard, he has a chance to be a Billy Goodwin type player. He can handle, has a nice mid range game, a decent shot from 3, and is very athletic. He is a great addition to the program.

Tough comparison because Goodwin did so many things so well for a team that competed at the top of the Big East. Goodwin made few mistakes, got off the floor really well, had a great mid range game and in, defended and rebounded well. Respect your opinions but Goodwin is a very high bar for any kid coming into the program, so I think your qualifier here is Goodwin type player. That would be good enough for me even if the likelihood is that he won't be another Goodwin.

Billy G one of my all-time favorites. Did whatever needed to be done and had a great engaging personality. Was a real good glue guy who would kill you if you paid too much attention to Mullin and Russell (just ask Rollie what he did to them when they would play a diamond or box and one or a triangle and two).

 

[we are sju]

If Bashir keeps working hard, he has a chance to be a Billy Goodwin type player. He can handle, has a nice mid range game, a decent shot from 3, and is very athletic. He is a great addition to the program.

Tough comparison because Goodwin did so many things so well for a team that competed at the top of the Big East. Goodwin made few mistakes, got off the floor really well, had a great mid range game and in, defended and rebounded well. Respect your opinions but Goodwin is a very high bar for any kid coming into the program, so I think your qualifier here is Goodwin type player. That would be good enough for me even if the likelihood is that he won't be another Goodwin.

Billy G one of my all-time favorites. Did whatever needed to be done and had a great engaging personality. Was a real good glue guy who would kill you if you paid too much attention to Mullin and Russell (just ask Rollie what he did to them when they would play a diamond or box and one or a triangle and two).

He also punched David Wingate and let me talk his ear off about ST John's when he was in the USBL and I was a kid. Big Goodwin fan!!!

 

[we are sju]

So Ahmed reminds people of Goodwin and Yakwe sort of kind of can be compared to David Russell. All we need now is someone to remind us of Chris Mullin so that we can win 22-24 games and then get upset in the 2nd round of NCAA's. Otherwise known as our "glory days"

Which I would sign up for in a minute

 

[SJU85]

So Ahmed reminds people of Goodwin and Yakwe sort of kinf of can be compared to David Russell. All we need now is someone to remind us of Chris Mullin so that we can win 22-24 games and then get upset in the 2nd round of NCAA's. Otherwise known as our glory days"

Which I would sign up for in a minute

Final four was the glory days. But I'll bite, Freudenberg reminded someone of Mullin with his quick release

 

[beast of the east]

If Bashir keeps working hard, he has a chance to be a Billy Goodwin type player. He can handle, has a nice mid range game, a decent shot from 3, and is very athletic. He is a great addition to the program.

Tough comparison because Goodwin did so many things so well for a team that competed at the top of the Big East. Goodwin made few mistakes, got off the floor really well, had a great mid range game and in, defended and rebounded well. Respect your opinions but Goodwin is a very high bar for any kid coming into the program, so I think your qualifier here is Goodwin type player. That would be good enough for me even if the likelihood is that he won't be another Goodwin.

Billy G one of my all-time favorites. Did whatever needed to be done and had a great engaging personality. Was a real good glue guy who would kill you if you paid too much attention to Mullin and Russell (just ask Rollie what he did to them when they would play a diamond or box and one or a triangle and two).

Although I really liked Willie Glass, I've always felt our 85 team would have been much stronger with Goodwin at the small forward.

 

[beast of the east]

So Ahmed reminds people of Goodwin and Yakwe sort of kinf of can be compared to David Russell. All we need now is someone to remind us of Chris Mullin so that we can win 22-24 games and then get upset in the 2nd round of NCAA's. Otherwise known as our glory days"

Which I would sign up for in a minute

Final four was the glory days. But I'll bite, Freudenberg reminded someone of Mullin with his quick release

I remember reading the old George Plimpton book, Paper Lion. After working out for weeks in practice, when Plimpton got into an actual game situation he was startled at how quickly a hole closed that his blockers had opened. At every successive level in basketball, those "holes" or opportunities for open shots, close faster and faster. Guys who appear to have quick releases find out just how much less time they have to get off a shot and how much great wingspan and athleticism defenders have at a higher level. While encouraged about assessments about Freudenberg, or anyone else, most really productive offensive players in HS sputter at the D1 level because they are simply nowhere near as open as they were at a lower level. ENcouraged, but very much need to see guys perform at this level.

 

[redken]

If Bashir keeps working hard, he has a chance to be a Billy Goodwin type player. He can handle, has a nice mid range game, a decent shot from 3, and is very athletic. He is a great addition to the program.

Tough comparison because Goodwin did so many things so well for a team that competed at the top of the Big East. Goodwin made few mistakes, got off the floor really well, had a great mid range game and in, defended and rebounded well. Respect your opinions but Goodwin is a very high bar for any kid coming into the program, so I think your qualifier here is Goodwin type player. That would be good enough for me even if the likelihood is that he won't be another Goodwin.

Billy G one of my all-time favorites. Did whatever needed to be done and had a great engaging personality. Was a real good glue guy who would kill you if you paid too much attention to Mullin and Russell (just ask Rollie what he did to them when they would play a diamond or box and one or a triangle and two).

Although I really liked Willie Glass, I've always felt our 85 team would have been much stronger with Goodwin at the small forward.

Gotta agree.

 

[SJU85]

So Ahmed reminds people of Goodwin and Yakwe sort of kinf of can be compared to David Russell. All we need now is someone to remind us of Chris Mullin so that we can win 22-24 games and then get upset in the 2nd round of NCAA's. Otherwise known as our glory days"

Which I would sign up for in a minute

Final four was the glory days. But I'll bite, Freudenberg reminded someone of Mullin with his quick release

I remember reading the old George Plimpton book, Paper Lion. After working out for weeks in practice, when Plimpton got into an actual game situation he was startled at how quickly a hole closed that his blockers had opened. At every successive level in basketball, those "holes" or opportunities for open shots, close faster and faster. Guys who appear to have quick releases find out just how much less time they have to get off a shot and how much great wingspan and athleticism defenders have at a higher level. While encouraged about assessments about Freudenberg, or anyone else, most really productive offensive players in HS sputter at the D1 level because they are simply nowhere near as open as they were at a lower level. ENcouraged, but very much need to see guys perform at this level.

I was being "tongue in cheek" about Freudenberg..

I do not disagree with you and I like your comparison (I read Paper Lion and also saw the documentary where he got in to play QB during a preseason game for the Baltimore Colts around 1971). I have seen a little of Freudenberg and he does look like he has a quick release. However, like any aspect of someones ability who has never played at this level (regardless of previous AAU or international experience), game situations are different. Everything speeds up and is magnified. The overall talent and depth is better.

I remain however, optimistic.

I also think people are selling Owens short on how much time he is going to see.

 

[usguard]

So Ahmed reminds people of Goodwin and Yakwe sort of kinf of can be compared to David Russell. All we need now is someone to remind us of Chris Mullin so that we can win 22-24 games and then get upset in the 2nd round of NCAA's. Otherwise known as our glory days"

Which I would sign up for in a minute

Final four was the glory days. But I'll bite, Freudenberg reminded someone of Mullin with his quick release

I remember reading the old George Plimpton book, Paper Lion. After working out for weeks in practice, when Plimpton got into an actual game situation he was startled at how quickly a hole closed that his blockers had opened. At every successive level in basketball, those "holes" or opportunities for open shots, close faster and faster. Guys who appear to have quick releases find out just how much less time they have to get off a shot and how much great wingspan and athleticism defenders have at a higher level. While encouraged about assessments about Freudenberg, or anyone else, most really productive offensive players in HS sputter at the D1 level because they are simply nowhere near as open as they were at a lower level. ENcouraged, but very much need to see guys perform at this level.

I was being "tongue in cheek" about Freudenberg..

I do not disagree with you and I like your comparison (I read Paper Lion and also saw the documentary where he got in to play QB during a preseason game for the Baltimore Colts around 1971). I have seen a little of Freudenberg and he does look like he has a quick release. However, like any aspect of someones ability who has never played at this level (regardless of previous AAU or international experience), game situations are different. Everything speeds up and is magnified. The overall talent and depth is better.

I remain however, optimistic.

I also think people are selling Owens short on how much time he is going to see.

Think Freudenberg will be better than most think

 

[redken]

So Ahmed reminds people of Goodwin and Yakwe sort of kinf of can be compared to David Russell. All we need now is someone to remind us of Chris Mullin so that we can win 22-24 games and then get upset in the 2nd round of NCAA's. Otherwise known as our glory days"

Which I would sign up for in a minute

Final four was the glory days. But I'll bite, Freudenberg reminded someone of Mullin with his quick release

I remember reading the old George Plimpton book, Paper Lion. After working out for weeks in practice, when Plimpton got into an actual game situation he was startled at how quickly a hole closed that his blockers had opened. At every successive level in basketball, those "holes" or opportunities for open shots, close faster and faster. Guys who appear to have quick releases find out just how much less time they have to get off a shot and how much great wingspan and athleticism defenders have at a higher level. While encouraged about assessments about Freudenberg, or anyone else, most really productive offensive players in HS sputter at the D1 level because they are simply nowhere near as open as they were at a lower level. ENcouraged, but very much need to see guys perform at this level.

I was being "tongue in cheek" about Freudenberg..

I do not disagree with you and I like your comparison (I read Paper Lion and also saw the documentary where he got in to play QB during a preseason game for the Baltimore Colts around 1971). I have seen a little of Freudenberg and he does look like he has a quick release. However, like any aspect of someones ability who has never played at this level (regardless of previous AAU or international experience), game situations are different. Everything speeds up and is magnified. The overall talent and depth is better.

I remain however, optimistic.

I also think people are selling Owens short on how much time he is going to see.

Think Freudenberg will be better than most think

Maybe so ... but we have to give him time.. He's not going to be an overnight (or over-season or two) sensation.

 

[bk8664]

So Ahmed reminds people of Goodwin and Yakwe sort of kinf of can be compared to David Russell. All we need now is someone to remind us of Chris Mullin so that we can win 22-24 games and then get upset in the 2nd round of NCAA's. Otherwise known as our glory days"

Which I would sign up for in a minute

Final four was the glory days. But I'll bite, Freudenberg reminded someone of Mullin with his quick release

I remember reading the old George Plimpton book, Paper Lion. After working out for weeks in practice, when Plimpton got into an actual game situation he was startled at how quickly a hole closed that his blockers had opened. At every successive level in basketball, those "holes" or opportunities for open shots, close faster and faster. Guys who appear to have quick releases find out just how much less time they have to get off a shot and how much great wingspan and athleticism defenders have at a higher level. While encouraged about assessments about Freudenberg, or anyone else, most really productive offensive players in HS sputter at the D1 level because they are simply nowhere near as open as they were at a lower level. ENcouraged, but very much need to see guys perform at this level.

I was being "tongue in cheek" about Freudenberg..

I do not disagree with you and I like your comparison (I read Paper Lion and also saw the documentary where he got in to play QB during a preseason game for the Baltimore Colts around 1971). I have seen a little of Freudenberg and he does look like he has a quick release. However, like any aspect of someones ability who has never played at this level (regardless of previous AAU or international experience), game situations are different. Everything speeds up and is magnified. The overall talent and depth is better.

I remain however, optimistic.

I also think people are selling Owens short on how much time he is going to see.

Think Freudenberg will be better than most think

He was less frail looking than I thought he would be. He has to keep on working out like crazy.

 

[weathermannyc]

So Ahmed reminds people of Goodwin and Yakwe sort of kinf of can be compared to David Russell. All we need now is someone to remind us of Chris Mullin so that we can win 22-24 games and then get upset in the 2nd round of NCAA's. Otherwise known as our glory days"

Which I would sign up for in a minute

Final four was the glory days. But I'll bite, Freudenberg reminded someone of Mullin with his quick release

I remember reading the old George Plimpton book, Paper Lion. After working out for weeks in practice, when Plimpton got into an actual game situation he was startled at how quickly a hole closed that his blockers had opened. At every successive level in basketball, those "holes" or opportunities for open shots, close faster and faster. Guys who appear to have quick releases find out just how much less time they have to get off a shot and how much great wingspan and athleticism defenders have at a higher level. While encouraged about assessments about Freudenberg, or anyone else, most really productive offensive players in HS sputter at the D1 level because they are simply nowhere near as open as they were at a lower level. ENcouraged, but very much need to see guys perform at this level.

I was being "tongue in cheek" about Freudenberg..

I do not disagree with you and I like your comparison (I read Paper Lion and also saw the documentary where he got in to play QB during a preseason game for the Baltimore Colts around 1971). I have seen a little of Freudenberg and he does look like he has a quick release. However, like any aspect of someones ability who has never played at this level (regardless of previous AAU or international experience), game situations are different. Everything speeds up and is magnified. The overall talent and depth is better.

I remain however, optimistic.

I also think people are selling Owens short on how much time he is going to see.

Think Freudenberg will be better than most think

Just going off what I saw the other night. I think he will make shots and make plays, but will also lose the ball a lot getting stripped in the lane. He is athletic but didn't appear to be strong with the ball in a scrimmage that had little to no defense.