Message From CMA

[fordham96]

You guys are making way too much of the extension.  You do understand CMA was given a two year extension by Arkansas in January on 2018, 14 months later he was fired.

He has to win next year and by win not just finish with a winning overall record.

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Is Anderson now in a "Make the tourney or lose your job" situation in year 4?

 

[Moose]

Is Anderson now in a "Make the tourney or lose your job" situation in year 4?

Ummm yea.

Hard to say in light of the big extension he received...



 

Norlander is saying the buyout is just over $2M.  That's not much. If he fails again they will just cut their losses.  Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.

 

[fordham96]

And I would not assume the same buyout amount applies to a firing.

In other words paying the outgoing school a fee for a coach voluntarily leaving the school for another job is not necessarily the same as being bought out when you get let go.  In fact I would bet the buyout from a dismissal is much less.

 

[L J S A]

Have the terms of the extension ever been made public? Probably not, because I don't even think his original contract has ever been made public.

If it's a Norm rollover deal, that easy enough to escape, right?

 

[Anthony Mattia]

NM

 

[Anthony Mattia]

Is Anderson now in a "Make the tourney or lose your job" situation in year 4?

Ummm yea.

Hard to say in light of the big extension he received...




 

Norlander is saying the buyout is just over $2M.  That's not much. If he fails again they will just cut their losses.  Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.


You mean like changing coaches every 3-5 years
 

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Is Anderson now in a "Make the tourney or lose your job" situation in year 4?

Ummm yea.


 

You really that confident in that? I think I’d be surprised if the NIT got him fired next year.

 

[room112]

Is Anderson now in a "Make the tourney or lose your job" situation in year 4?

Ummm yea.



 

You really that confident in that? I think I’d be surprised if the NIT got him fired next year.

I think in that case the recruiting class that he has lined up for the following year would be factored in.

 

[usguard]

Well let him bring in Top 15 recruiting class and all would be great ,getting tiered of what he has done but what he can do lately

 

[Moose]

Is Anderson now in a "Make the tourney or lose your job" situation in year 4?

Ummm yea.

Hard to say in light of the big extension he received...





 

Norlander is saying the buyout is just over $2M.  That's not much. If he fails again they will just cut their losses.  Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.


You mean like changing coaches every 3-5 years

 

Yea call me crazy but if you can't accomplish the main goal of your job in 4 years you should likely be looking for a new one.

 

[Moose]

Is Anderson now in a "Make the tourney or lose your job" situation in year 4?

Ummm yea.




 

You really that confident in that? I think I’d be surprised if the NIT got him fired next year.

I think in that case the recruiting class that he has lined up for the following year would be factored in.

Sure I guess but I don't exactly have faith he's going to be pulling in a Top 25 class.

And to Mase's point I don't think an NIT birth would be enough for me.  But a lot would depend on who's coming back etc...

I'm not crazy about the new way of college basketball. And I was a fan of the free transfer.  But the game is full of 24 year olds now and its a glorified G-League with some education around it.  If there is consistent turnover year to year among players the idea of a coach only lasting 3-5 years shouldn't be such a taboo thing.

If we want to be a Power 6 basketball school we need to look in the mirror and say how many Power 6 schools go 4-5 years between NCAA appearances.  And also lets be fair those 'appearances' are the sham of a play in game.  It's not like we are Georgia where they can fall back on football.  Basketball is the centerpiece of the athletic department.

 

[fordham96]

A few things:

1)The last 3 SJU coaches were fired/pushed out after post season births.  Norm was fired after an NIT berth, Lavin and Mullin after NCAA berths.  Not sure why an NIT birth would necessarily save CMA.

2)I know everyone likes to say "we can't keep doing this every 3-4 years (changing coaches)."  Or the better one is "this is the most important hire they have to get this right..."  Those are just words they don't mean anything.  I agree no one would like to do this every 3-4 years but you don't hold onto a coach just because you don't want to do this again.  If that is your strongest argument for doing it then it is pretty weak.  Rutgers last 3 coaches prior to Pikiell were Fred Hill (4 years), Mike Rice (3 years) and Eddie Jordan (3 years).  Ok someone tell me if Rutgers program was ruined because of those firings after short periods?  Or better yet tell me what Rutgers fan says, "I know this is the best stretch of basketball in decades but did we really have to fire Eddie Jordan after just 3 years?"

Win significantly next year and none of this matters.

One thing I do not want to hear is after another 17-15 season is, "At least he kept his streak of never having a losing season alive..."

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Just thinking that 4 years seems short for an sju coach to get fired due to performance. Not agreeing with it. Of course there is Mullin but his circumstances were a bit different IMO. 

 

[monte]

2 points: 
1. I stand by my assertion that even slight  improvement next season(IE NIT invite) snd CMA is back for year 5 if he wants to come back. 
2. With regard to the extension, it was Jimmy Sexton negotiating against Mike Cragg and whoever. And at a time when Sexton had SJU over a barrel. I'm gonna guess that Sexton got the best of that deal.  Of course we'll never know because  the school ain't releasing terms. 

 

[fordham96]

Brian Mahoney got fired after 4 years including 1 NCAA bid where they were a 5 seed and an NIT bid and a BE COY.  

This year was a pretty massive miss in terms of expectations.  They lose their best player and they have not put together a really top notch recruiting class at any point.

He has maxed out at 17 wins twice and 16 wins once in 3 years with avg number of losses at around 14.  He is going to be 63 in December,  He was fired from his last job after making the NCAA's just 3 times in 8 years.  He is currently on a 4 year streak of missing the NCAA's.  He has missed the NCAA's 5 out of his last 6 years.  

How much time does he warrant?

 

[panther2]

2 points: 
1. I stand by my assertion that even slight  improvement next season(IE NIT invite) snd CMA is back for year 5 if he wants to come back. 
2. With regard to the extension, it was Jimmy Sexton negotiating against Mike Cragg and whoever. And at a time when Sexton had SJU over a barrel. I'm gonna guess that Sexton got the best of that deal.  Of course we'll never know because  the school ain't releasing terms. 
 

When did you become the Champion of conspiracy theories? On another thread, you implied that Sexton was behind the RUMORS of Anderson to Tulsa. This proved to be false. Now you are claiming Sexton took advantage of Cragg. Another poster claims that a "reliable" source told him that Anderson to Tulsa was a done deal. The only reliable source as to Coach Anderson's thoughts is Coach Anderson.

In regards to Coach Anderson's salary, that is none of our business.

I understand that some posters are unhappy with the results so far. However, what has turned me off is turning every thread into bashing Coach Anderson. Once a person has stated that they don't feel Coach Anderson is doing a good job, what is the point of continuously repeating it.

I learned a long time ago, that redundancy equals insecurity in the point of view that you are pushing.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Brian Mahoney got fired after 4 years including 1 NCAA bid where they were a 5 seed and an NIT bid and a BE COY.  

This year was a pretty massive miss in terms of expectations.  They lose their best player and they have not put together a really top notch recruiting class at any point.

He has maxed out at 17 wins twice and 16 wins once in 3 years with avg number of losses at around 14.  He is going to be 63 in December,  He was fired from his last job after making the NCAA's just 3 times in 8 years.  He is currently on a 4 year streak of missing the NCAA's.  He has missed the NCAA's 5 out of his last 6 years.  

How much time does he warrant?

How massive is the difference between our program when Mahoney was fired and our program now?

Again I’d hope 4 years w/o tourney would be enough of an example, but I doubt it. And btw I’m not throwing next year out already as a definite miss.

 

[monte]

Brian Mahoney got fired after 4 years including 1 NCAA bid where they were a 5 seed and an NIT bid and a BE COY.  

This year was a pretty massive miss in terms of expectations.  They lose their best player and they have not put together a really top notch recruiting class at any point.

He has maxed out at 17 wins twice and 16 wins once in 3 years with avg number of losses at around 14.  He is going to be 63 in December,  He was fired from his last job after making the NCAA's just 3 times in 8 years.  He is currently on a 4 year streak of missing the NCAA's.  He has missed the NCAA's 5 out of his last 6 years.  

How much time does he warrant?

Can't really compare CMA, here and now, to any other coach here or anywhere else at any time.  I believe that the bar in terms of NCAA appearances has been set very low, not just by the school but by many in our beaten down fan base. I believe that good is good enough. IE NIT appearance most seasons, big dance once every 4
or 5 years. I believe that talk of winning "national championshipS" is horse crap and is said to humor the fan base. There is absolutely nothing at all to indicate that this program is on a trajectory to win a national championship, let alone multiple ones.  I believe that the school is going to stick with CMA for much longer then most high D1  schools would ever stick with a coach who was not consistently getting his team to the dance. The seat isn't even warm yet, let alone hot. Maybe it gets warm after next season, but it's gotta get hot before a change is even considered. And to add to your comment about tourney appearances, CMA teams have appeared in the tourney  3 times in the last 11 years. So roughly once every 4 years. Which brings me back to my earlier point; we're due for an appearance in the next 2 years. Then our fan base will be gushing with excitement like a bunch of school girls at a rock concert, Sexton will strong arm the school for another extension and raise, and we'll have 5 more years(minimum) of the same. 

And let me add, some of you guys will perceive this post as negative, and maybe it is, but  at least it ain't delusional. 

 

[Johnny Rapper]

2 points: 
1. I stand by my assertion that even slight  improvement next season(IE NIT invite) snd CMA is back for year 5 if he wants to come back. 
2. With regard to the extension, it was Jimmy Sexton negotiating against Mike Cragg and whoever. And at a time when Sexton had SJU over a barrel. I'm gonna guess that Sexton got the best of that deal.  Of course we'll never know because  the school ain't releasing terms. 

 

When did you become the Champion of conspiracy theories? On another thread, you implied that Sexton was behind the RUMORS of Anderson to Tulsa. This proved to be false. Now you are claiming Sexton took advantage of Cragg. Another poster claims that a "reliable" source told him that Anderson to Tulsa was a done deal. The only reliable source as to Coach Anderson's thoughts is Coach Anderson.

In regards to Coach Anderson's salary, that is none of our business.

I understand that some posters are unhappy with the results so far. However, what has turned me off is turning every thread into bashing Coach Anderson. Once a person has stated that they don't feel Coach Anderson is doing a good job, what is the point of continuously repeating it.

I learned a long time ago, that redundancy equals insecurity in the point of view that you are pushing.

Panther, I find it interesting that you question my credibility when my comments clearly represent support for the St. John’s program who unlike yourself seem more concerned  with the welfare of coach Anderson. While we all hope that his tenure improves in the future and he finds success here at St. John’s , if he can’t get the job done and have the school in a position for an NCAA tourney invite by next year, he should be terminated. Four years is plenty of time in the college hoops world to find success.

I find it funny that some posters use poor examples like coach K and Jay Wright taking many years to get there but they were new at the job and Anderson is a seasoned veteran who in the opinion of many, should have at least recruited better to date. 

The bottom line is this. While Anderson should be given whatever support is necessary to succeed, he should not be treated any better then any other coach in his position. This is a goal oriented business, you either get the job done or you don’t and if not, you need to go. 

 

[paultzman]

In the event the roster is not improved this off season and Johnnies have similar or lower results, it seems eminently fair to doubt Mike can be the guy to sustain a good degree of success here. I hope SJ is not adversely effected by portal defections, brings in new players with impact and has better results. Again though, it is quite fair to have doubts if not the case.