Marquette, Sat. Feb. 10, Noon, YES (FOX SN) / 970AM

Real good win today and two of the main topics are about a guy who didn’t,0’t play and the refereeing. Sheesh, look at the last play of the Xavier-Creighton game to see bad reffing. Marquette shot 6, count ‘em, 6 foul shots other that Rousey’s 2 fouls on the 3’s. Yeah there were bad calls, there always are, just part of the game.

We played well enough today to beat Marquette-and the refs.

If you say so, beyond silly to me. To each his own, but IMO you are better off sticking to URLs and box scores.
 
If you say so, beyond silly to me. To each his own, but IMO you are better off sticking to URLs and box scores.

I wouldn't characterize it as beyond silly to notice that some teams and programs and players receive the benefit of the doubt from referees and some don't. Dook is an obvious example, they've benefited from EbiaSPN for a long time. Villanova played an entire game earlier this year without a foul being called, which the way games are called nowadays is virtually impossible. Michael Jordan could have danced the tarantella on the way to the basket and no travel would have been called. It's undeniable that there's bias on the part of certain referees, referees being human and humans having biases. It'd be beyond silly to blame every loss on the officiating, but it's not beyond silly to notice that officiating occurs and that some of it is awful and that some of that awfulness affects the outcomes of games.

I've been watching basketball for a long time and you I take it longer than me. Officiating has changed - not just in basketball but in all sports. Officials used to be adjunct to the sport they were adjudging. Nowadays it seems that they view themselves as at least as important as the game and athletes they're adjudging. Consider the NFL conundrum of what exactly is a catch and what isn't. Everyone knows what a catch is except them, hence the interminable delays under secret hoods with multiple replays of various angles to determine whether what just happened happened. Observe neophyte baseball umpires disqualifying venerable managers for arguing arguable calls. A couple of weeks ago versus Xavier there was an interminable delay to determine whether Bashir Ahmed's obvious foul was a flagrant one and the result of the interminable deliberation was that no foul had been committed at all. In a DePaul game last year in February past an official put his hand on Mullin's chest - hall of famer Chris Mullin's chest! - and pushed him backwards towards the coaching box, Mullin having evidently over stepped his bounds; had Mullin done that to an official he'd have been ejected and suspended.

Part of the problem is the world in which we live, a world in which every moron with a camera thinks even their lunch worthy of memorialization, which leads inexorably to egotism. Part of it is the dilution of talent inherent in the expansion of product: more games means more referees which entails a regression of refereeing toward the mean. Part of it is ubiquity of publication: every game is on television and so every little mistake becomes magnified: you can't see bad calls on the radio. But let us not pretend it - it being bias - doesn't happen. Because it does. Because it must. You don't have to care about it and you're (obviously) free to find it immaterial in the grand scheme of things. But some games are I'm sure you'd admit won on the margins, where such biases however slight make a great deal of difference. Noticing that is not at all beyond silly.
 
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Many plagiarists are drama queens that thrive on any kind of attention, even negative.

I totally agree with you! 

Your emphasis on the term "drama queen" seems apropos and reminds me of a self-absorbed nerd raised on the tony North Shore of Long Island.  Surpassed by his siblings in both intelligence and success he attends a second rate Law school in Albany and settles into a boring existence wishing he was as original as Frank Zappa.
A Dweezil so focused on the use of the word "plagiarism" because he is an expert practioner of music plagiarism.

Of course, then there is that drama queen so desperate for attention that they secure a dead fan site to maintain that negative attention they crave and shamelessly comes to beckon St. John's fans to his lonely Venus Fly Trap of a blog that was interesting when he was the "anti fan" but who now cannot find inspiration befitting his sardonic style that no doubt, was inspired by me.;)
 But being the stand up Brooklyn raised Guido that I am I will give you the benefit of the doubt as I am sure that you will claim cryptomnesia thinking his music was new and original when, in fact, it was his altered memory cells recalling listening to the Mother's of Invention.
Well, I saw the MOI in 1971 at the Fillmore East. I knew some day some Diva would copy that musical style since it was all over the place. Put enough musical instruments together add some cryptic lyrics and voila'.
Sorry, but we digress. This thread was about the Marquette game. Bet you wish you were there.
 
If you say so, beyond silly to me. To each his own, but IMO you are better off sticking to URLs and box scores.

I wouldn't characterize it as beyond silly to notice that some teams and programs and players receive the benefit of the doubt from referees and some don't. Dook is an obvious example, they've benefited from EbiaSPN for a long time. Villanova played an entire game earlier this year without a foul being called, which the way games are called nowadays is virtually impossible. Michael Jordan could have danced the tarantella on the way to the basket and no travel would have been called. It's undeniable that there's bias on the part of certain referees, referees being human and humans having biases. It'd be beyond silly to blame every loss on the officiating, but it's not beyond silly to notice that officiating occurs and that some of it is awful and that some of that awfulness affects the outcomes of games.

I've been watching basketball for a long time and you I take it longer than me. Officiating has changed - not just in basketball but in all sports. Officials used to be adjunct to the sport they were adjudging. Nowadays it seems that they view themselves as at least as important as the game and athletes they're adjudging. Consider the NFL conundrum of what exactly is a catch and what isn't. Everyone knows what a catch is except them, hence the interminable delays under secret hoods with multiple replays of various angles to determine whether what just happened happened. Observe neophyte baseball umpires disqualifying venerable managers for arguing arguable calls. A couple of weeks ago versus Xavier there was an interminable delay to determine whether Bashir Ahmed's obvious foul was a flagrant one and the result of the interminable deliberation was that no foul had been committed at all. In a DePaul game last year in February past an official put his hand on Mullin's chest - hall of famer Chris Mullin's chest! - and pushed him backwards towards the coaching box, Mullin having evidently over stepped his bounds; had Mullin done that to an official he'd have been ejected and suspended.

Part of the problem is the world in which we live, a world in which every moron with a camera thinks even their lunch worthy of memorialization, which leads inexorably to egotism. Part of it is the dilution of talent inherent in the expansion of product: more games means more referees which entails a regression of refereeing toward the mean. Part of it is ubiquity of publication: every game is on television and so every little mistake becomes magnified: you can't see bad calls on the radio. But let us not pretend it - it being bias - doesn't happen. Because it does. Because it must. You don't have to care about it and you're (obviously) free to find it immaterial in the grand scheme of things. But some games are I'm sure you'd admit won on the margins, where such biases however slight make a great deal of difference. Noticing that is not at all beyond silly.

Very true.....even if overly dramatic.

Adding to the sentiment.......Ryan Archidiacono enjoyed the kindest whistle of any BE player I can remember. Of course, he was also named BE Player of the year while not even the best player on his team. Darrun Hilliard deserves a medal for taking the high road on that one.

Conversely, the fact that J.P. Macura isn't ejected from every game is pretty much the best example of racism I can think of.

Referees are indeed human.
 
If you say so, beyond silly to me. To each his own, but IMO you are better off sticking to URLs and box scores.

I wouldn't characterize it as beyond silly to notice that some teams and programs and players receive the benefit of the doubt from referees and some don't. Dook is an obvious example, they've benefited from EbiaSPN for a long time. Villanova played an entire game earlier this year without a foul being called, which the way games are called nowadays is virtually impossible. Michael Jordan could have danced the tarantella on the way to the basket and no travel would have been called. It's undeniable that there's bias on the part of certain referees, referees being human and humans having biases. It'd be beyond silly to blame every loss on the officiating, but it's not beyond silly to notice that officiating occurs and that some of it is awful and that some of that awfulness affects the outcomes of games.

I've been watching basketball for a long time and you I take it longer than me. Officiating has changed - not just in basketball but in all sports. Officials used to be adjunct to the sport they were adjudging. Nowadays it seems that they view themselves as at least as important as the game and athletes they're adjudging. Consider the NFL conundrum of what exactly is a catch and what isn't. Everyone knows what a catch is except them, hence the interminable delays under secret hoods with multiple replays of various angles to determine whether what just happened happened. Observe neophyte baseball umpires disqualifying venerable managers for arguing arguable calls. A couple of weeks ago versus Xavier there was an interminable delay to determine whether Bashir Ahmed's obvious foul was a flagrant one and the result of the interminable deliberation was that no foul had been committed at all. In a DePaul game last year in February past an official put his hand on Mullin's chest - hall of famer Chris Mullin's chest! - and pushed him backwards towards the coaching box, Mullin having evidently over stepped his bounds; had Mullin done that to an official he'd have been ejected and suspended.

Part of the problem is the world in which we live, a world in which every moron with a camera thinks even their lunch worthy of memorialization, which leads inexorably to egotism. Part of it is the dilution of talent inherent in the expansion of product: more games means more referees which entails a regression of refereeing toward the mean. Part of it is ubiquity of publication: every game is on television and so every little mistake becomes magnified: you can't see bad calls on the radio. But let us not pretend it - it being bias - doesn't happen. Because it does. Because it must. You don't have to care about it and you're (obviously) free to find it immaterial in the grand scheme of things. But some games are I'm sure you'd admit won on the margins, where such biases however slight make a great deal of difference. Noticing that is not at all beyond silly.

Very true.....even if overly dramatic.

Adding to the sentiment.......Ryan Archidiacono enjoyed the kindest whistle of any BE player I can remember. Of course, he was also named BE Player of the year while not even the best player on his team. Darrun Hilliard deserves a medal for taking the high road on that one.

Conversely, the fact that J.P. Macura isn't ejected from every game is pretty much the best example of racism I can think of.

Referees are indeed human.

"Conversely, the fact that J.P. Macura isn't ejected from every game is pretty much the best example of racism I can think of."

This J. P. Macura remark is an insult to anyone who has ever really been a victim of racism. If that "is pretty much the best example of racism" you can think of, your life is being lived in a bubble in front of a T.V. screen watching college basketball.
You are a better poster than that so stick to sports and not social statements regarding referee prejudices.;)

 
The great JPM14, basketball guru, & my SJU classmate Tony after big win! Great day!

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Thanks Paultz I don't know about being great but Tony and I had a blast yesterday. Thanks for visiting and letting me gabble on about all things St. John's hoops
 
If you say so, beyond silly to me. To each his own, but IMO you are better off sticking to URLs and box scores.

I wouldn't characterize it as beyond silly to notice that some teams and programs and players receive the benefit of the doubt from referees and some don't. Dook is an obvious example, they've benefited from EbiaSPN for a long time. Villanova played an entire game earlier this year without a foul being called, which the way games are called nowadays is virtually impossible. Michael Jordan could have danced the tarantella on the way to the basket and no travel would have been called. It's undeniable that there's bias on the part of certain referees, referees being human and humans having biases. It'd be beyond silly to blame every loss on the officiating, but it's not beyond silly to notice that officiating occurs and that some of it is awful and that some of that awfulness affects the outcomes of games.

I've been watching basketball for a long time and you I take it longer than me. Officiating has changed - not just in basketball but in all sports. Officials used to be adjunct to the sport they were adjudging. Nowadays it seems that they view themselves as at least as important as the game and athletes they're adjudging. Consider the NFL conundrum of what exactly is a catch and what isn't. Everyone knows what a catch is except them, hence the interminable delays under secret hoods with multiple replays of various angles to determine whether what just happened happened. Observe neophyte baseball umpires disqualifying venerable managers for arguing arguable calls. A couple of weeks ago versus Xavier there was an interminable delay to determine whether Bashir Ahmed's obvious foul was a flagrant one and the result of the interminable deliberation was that no foul had been committed at all. In a DePaul game last year in February past an official put his hand on Mullin's chest - hall of famer Chris Mullin's chest! - and pushed him backwards towards the coaching box, Mullin having evidently over stepped his bounds; had Mullin done that to an official he'd have been ejected and suspended.

Part of the problem is the world in which we live, a world in which every moron with a camera thinks even their lunch worthy of memorialization, which leads inexorably to egotism. Part of it is the dilution of talent inherent in the expansion of product: more games means more referees which entails a regression of refereeing toward the mean. Part of it is ubiquity of publication: every game is on television and so every little mistake becomes magnified: you can't see bad calls on the radio. But let us not pretend it - it being bias - doesn't happen. Because it does. Because it must. You don't have to care about it and you're (obviously) free to find it immaterial in the grand scheme of things. But some games are I'm sure you'd admit won on the margins, where such biases however slight make a great deal of difference. Noticing that is not at all beyond silly.

Very true.....even if overly dramatic.

Adding to the sentiment.......Ryan Archidiacono enjoyed the kindest whistle of any BE player I can remember. Of course, he was also named BE Player of the year while not even the best player on his team. Darrun Hilliard deserves a medal for taking the high road on that one.

Conversely, the fact that J.P. Macura isn't ejected from every game is pretty much the best example of racism I can think of.

Referees are indeed human.

"Conversely, the fact that J.P. Macura isn't ejected from every game is pretty much the best example of racism I can think of."

This J. P. Macura remark is an insult to anyone who has ever really been a victim of racism. If that "is pretty much the best example of racism" you can think of, your life is being lived in a bubble in front of a T.V. screen watching college basketball.
You are a better poster than that so stick to sports and not social statements regarding referee prejudices.;)

It was sarcasm. Perhaps not my best work.
 
If you say so, beyond silly to me. To each his own, but IMO you are better off sticking to URLs and box scores.

I wouldn't characterize it as beyond silly to notice that some teams and programs and players receive the benefit of the doubt from referees and some don't. Dook is an obvious example, they've benefited from EbiaSPN for a long time. Villanova played an entire game earlier this year without a foul being called, which the way games are called nowadays is virtually impossible. Michael Jordan could have danced the tarantella on the way to the basket and no travel would have been called. It's undeniable that there's bias on the part of certain referees, referees being human and humans having biases. It'd be beyond silly to blame every loss on the officiating, but it's not beyond silly to notice that officiating occurs and that some of it is awful and that some of that awfulness affects the outcomes of games.

I've been watching basketball for a long time and you I take it longer than me. Officiating has changed - not just in basketball but in all sports. Officials used to be adjunct to the sport they were adjudging. Nowadays it seems that they view themselves as at least as important as the game and athletes they're adjudging. Consider the NFL conundrum of what exactly is a catch and what isn't. Everyone knows what a catch is except them, hence the interminable delays under secret hoods with multiple replays of various angles to determine whether what just happened happened. Observe neophyte baseball umpires disqualifying venerable managers for arguing arguable calls. A couple of weeks ago versus Xavier there was an interminable delay to determine whether Bashir Ahmed's obvious foul was a flagrant one and the result of the interminable deliberation was that no foul had been committed at all. In a DePaul game last year in February past an official put his hand on Mullin's chest - hall of famer Chris Mullin's chest! - and pushed him backwards towards the coaching box, Mullin having evidently over stepped his bounds; had Mullin done that to an official he'd have been ejected and suspended.

Part of the problem is the world in which we live, a world in which every moron with a camera thinks even their lunch worthy of memorialization, which leads inexorably to egotism. Part of it is the dilution of talent inherent in the expansion of product: more games means more referees which entails a regression of refereeing toward the mean. Part of it is ubiquity of publication: every game is on television and so every little mistake becomes magnified: you can't see bad calls on the radio. But let us not pretend it - it being bias - doesn't happen. Because it does. Because it must. You don't have to care about it and you're (obviously) free to find it immaterial in the grand scheme of things. But some games are I'm sure you'd admit won on the margins, where such biases however slight make a great deal of difference. Noticing that is not at all beyond silly.

Very true.....even if overly dramatic.

Adding to the sentiment.......Ryan Archidiacono enjoyed the kindest whistle of any BE player I can remember. Of course, he was also named BE Player of the year while not even the best player on his team. Darrun Hilliard deserves a medal for taking the high road on that one.

Conversely, the fact that J.P. Macura isn't ejected from every game is pretty much the best example of racism I can think of.

Referees are indeed human.

"Conversely, the fact that J.P. Macura isn't ejected from every game is pretty much the best example of racism I can think of."

This J. P. Macura remark is an insult to anyone who has ever really been a victim of racism. If that "is pretty much the best example of racism" you can think of, your life is being lived in a bubble in front of a T.V. screen watching college basketball.
You are a better poster than that so stick to sports and not social statements regarding referee prejudices.;)

It was sarcasm. Perhaps not my best work.

Got it! Sarcasm doesn't work well here.;)
 
Things have been great the last 3 games so hate to bring up a negative, but did anyone notice Clark's total lack of effort going after ball like 3 times? The one where it led to a layup where he got beat to the loose ball and two Ponds passes where he just stood there and didn't move for two catch-able passes.Ponds had 8 TO's but I would have given 2 of them to Clark.
 
The great JPM14, basketball guru, & my SJU classmate Tony after big win! Great day!

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Thanks Paultz I don't know about being great but Tony and I had a blast yesterday. Thanks for visiting and letting me gabble on about all things St. John's hoops

My pleasure John! My visits to chat with you guys are really great, especially when we lose ☺️
 
Things have been great the last 3 games so hate to bring up a negative, but did anyone notice Clark's total lack of effort going after ball like 3 times? The one where it led to a layup where he got beat to the loose ball and two Ponds passes where he just stood there and didn't move for two catch-able passes.Ponds had 8 TO's but I would have given 2 of them to Clark.

I think Clark may be really tired at this point in the season. He played 38 minutes vs. Marquette and he is a big guy.
 
All of our starters are really working hard and cannot even get a blow some games. So I think sometimes we may catch one or more of them taking a little in game break. I don't know how they do it for 30 or 40 minutes. The intensity they play with is amazing.
 
This may be the worst reffed game of the year. Thank God they could not rob us on this one.

Knight, you stole my thunder! I was thinking about the same exact thing while watching this game. For example:
1- Phantom foul on SP when Marquette kid fell down without being touched.
2- First half, Marvin Clark is pushed out of bounds on the baseline, calls Clark out of bounds
3- Marquette player falls down with SJU in possession, Ref blows play dead. Player safety was not an issue. Player doesn't even leave game??? Free time-out?
4- Multiple off the ball fouls for screens impacting nothing.
I could go on, but yes it was really bad.

Anyway, congrats to Shamorie tremendous offensive effort.

sjc88-I would have typed all that but my fingers got tongue-tied. ;)

On No. 3, Clark was coming around a screen tipurned and although he tried to pull up, nailed Rousey in the back of the head with an inadvertent forearm.
 
Marquette coach has fond memories of playing at Alumni Hall.




I was there with my sons. We were able to go on to the floor after the game. Remember meeting Lorentzen Wright, seemed like a nice guy.


I was there also. Loved Felipe and he had a great game, but a lot of people thought Jerad Ward should have won the MVP.
 
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