LoVett Done For Season
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we are sju
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Obviously I want him eligible and the NCAA is a crock, but.......
If their argument is they don't believe he actually did the HIGH SCHOOL work that was needed to become an eligible collegiate athlete, what has changed? Supposedly going to class for 1st semester was supposed to squelch any questions. It did not. Why would a full year automatically do that?
Moose
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Look I don't pretend to be an expert on the NCAA's but if he passes a complete year of SJU classes how can they say you aren't eligible? Maybe there is a precedent for PQ's and 1st semester isn't enough in their minds. They are then saying they don't feel SJU is offering the right classes? I mean come on. Wasn't Glover a PQ or whatever they called it back then. Same with Showtime. You serve your penalty and move on provided you pass the courses you take. Pretty simple. I think you're just stirring the drink here. Other topics out there you should stir the drink on.
we are sju
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This whole thing doesn't make sense!
The are questioning that he didn't actually do the work he said so he can't play basketball. But yeah sure register at the school and go to class????
That whole scenario is BS. They are basically calling Lovett and SJU a liar.
Just don't see how him going to school for a year clears their argument up.
Moose
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SJU can admit anyone they want to school. Doesn't matter what the NCAA says. They just stop him from playing hoops. They are not calling SJU a liar. They are simply saying Lovett didnt meet their requirements. It's happened before.
NCAA feels he didnt meet their minimum requirements. For all I know that was an English class, who knows. I would hope that whatever that class is he is currently taking in addition to his regular course load.
I can't change your opinion on what a year does and doesn't do. But if you can try to find PQ's who after a year didnt get eligible because that would strengthen your theory and blow up mine.
we are sju
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I am not stirring anything. I am not sold on the idea that he automatically gets cleared next year. NCAA is saying they do not believe he did the work necessary to be a college student. His SJU grades are irrelevant to that argument even if he makes the Dean's list. Maybe I am wrong. I hope so but I am telling you now that if we are having this same argument next November, I would not be shocked AT ALL!
Moose
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Here is some bathroom reading on the topic
http://www.athleticscholarships.net/2012/08/28/understanding-initial-eligibility-waivers.htm
we are sju
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Honestly no one outside of the posters on these boards care, but would be appreciated if a reporter asked Mullin point blank what his status is for next year. Would like to see if Mullin answers with "we believe".
Moose
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Two other articles and most recent. Familiar name as well in Jamari Traylor. Both he and McLemore were ineligible, went to KU took classes and practiced and played the next season.
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/oct/14/ku-freshmen-ben-mclemore-jamari-traylor-ineligible/
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2015/dec/17/partial-qualifier-traylor-about-earn-ku-degree/
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/oct/14/ku-freshmen-ben-mclemore-jamari-traylor-ineligible/
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2015/dec/17/partial-qualifier-traylor-about-earn-ku-degree/
we are sju
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If I was worried about tornadoes and chanted Rock chalk Jayhawk at games that would make me feel a lot better.
Again maybe my skepticism way off base, but so to is blind optimism.
Moose
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How about the words of SJU press release. Is that enough for you?
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111115aaa.html
LoVett will remain enrolled at St. John’s, but must complete a year of residence at the University before participating in game competition
I am as cynical as you. However, since he is a partial qualifier, he just has to attend and pass his classes with the minimum GPA. Then he can play.
If the NCAA was going to disqualify him through next year, they would not have issued the partial qualifying status. That really is the bottom line.
I am as big a skeptic as anyone but I am almost positive that he will be eligible. I am sure they are having him take classes that are the equivalent of the ones that were not approved by the NCAA. Many students take classes in high school that are approved by colleges and for remedial students it works the same way. He may not graduate college in four years but the NCAA does not care about that and unfortunately many St. John's students take six years to graduate. I would be more concerned about Ponds as we have no idea how he is doing at Jefferson and many of their players go JUCO.
we are sju
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Yea that helps. Still not 100% though
we are sju
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You do realize people on these boards were doing a countdown for when the first semester was over so he could play. Was even an argument about if it ended on a Friday or Saturday. He was going to play against Incarnate Word remember. Then it was NJIT. Surely by BE season. Generally when a bunch of people on here tell me something is a done deal I start to get nervous.
Why? You wouldn't believe whatever answer he gave anyway and as Moose has said certainly understandable.
To repeat, a partial qualifier HAS met the requirements for eligibility but in essence the NCAA does not believe the work could have been done as provided but has no tangible proof to discount any classes, as with Sampson, etc. in Lavin's first year when they went to the bogus summer/prep school or whatever it was and the NCAA had some type of concrete evidence to NOT accept credits therefore rendering them ineligible, not declare them a PQ. At this point, SJU has to be satisfied that LoVett's first year work in college renders him eligible as with any player and should the NCAA suspect otherwise they would launch an investigation a la what North Carolina has been going through for the last 17 years. Lovett's decisions aside, if he does the work he plays, barring an NCAA investigation.
As to the lying aspect, I look on this much differently than you guys and maybe because negotiating is a significant part of what I do for a living. In my mind, and this is all pure opinion, SJU believed Lovett did the work and was getting screwed. They then devised a strategy that threatened litigation, which again I am pretty sure but not positive can only come from Lovett, not the school. They then went to the NCAA and inquired if the NCAA may reconsider after the 1st semester grades came out. To further attempt to put pressure on the NCAA they leaked that info to the media. To me it was all a bluff and the NCAA called it; no result, but worth the try; nothing was lost, Lovett wasn't playing anyway. As for really suing, the NCAA could tie the case up easily until the season was over so realistically we only had the bluff to play. I may be way off, way off but that is what I believe happened. They took a shot, threatening litigation and using the media to their advantage - didn't work.