Let's Mend the Wounds

Basketball program will never reach the full potential with these two clowns in charge. They should still be held responsible for what has happened and if Mike Cragg leaves because all of this that will be a damning rebuke of the administration.

Also, if it is a toxic environment on campus outside of the hoops program they should be held responsible for that as well.
 
Mike Anderson needs Mike Cragg here. Having a supportive AD is of Paramount importance in communicating needs to the Administration. I hope Repole’s rant put the brass in the spotlight so Cragg can move to the forefront on athletics and it’s not business as usual.
 
[quote="Manhattan1" post=344730]I am not sure how this is to be done but I believe the pressure needs to be put on Bobby and Oliva to resign. I think enough has come out recently where they are a detriment to the basketball program and also outside the basketball program. But from hearing lack of support of Mullin, Making Lavin's last two years hell here, and now making Cragg's life hell here I think they both need to go.
I just have no idea on how to go about that.[/quote]

Resign or not, after the outrage and fan complaints, they know that people are now scrutinizing them. Always better when at least forced out of the shadows.
 
[quote="Manhattan1" post=344730]I am not sure how this is to be done but I believe the pressure needs to be put on Bobby and Oliva to resign. I think enough has come out recently where they are a detriment to the basketball program and also outside the basketball program. But from hearing lack of support of Mullin, Making Lavin's last two years hell here, and now making Cragg's life hell here I think they both need to go.
I just have no idea on how to go about that.[/quote]

Clearly, while Repole was ranting, there was a fruitful and successful process underway to hone in on the next coach. I don't know if there was any dissent on who to hire, and to what extent Oliva and Gempeshaw's voice, if any, overrode Cragg. But clearly as Repole was hurting our ability to hire a credible candidate with his over the top rant, others were moving towards getting a respectable coach in here, all within 10 days or Mullin's departure.

Read and interpret however you want it, but for my 2 cents, I think Repole was more upset that he wasn't in a position to control the hire.

If you want to gauge how FOS he is, let's see if his love for the university (and us) results in the $10 million donation to renovate CA, as he mentioned to Francesa. My guess is that if he really intended to do it, it would be done already. I'm also guessing that the string attached to that offer, was to control the hire process for a coach.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=344747][quote="Manhattan1" post=344730]I am not sure how this is to be done but I believe the pressure needs to be put on Bobby and Oliva to resign. I think enough has come out recently where they are a detriment to the basketball program and also outside the basketball program. But from hearing lack of support of Mullin, Making Lavin's last two years hell here, and now making Cragg's life hell here I think they both need to go.
I just have no idea on how to go about that.[/quote]

Clearly, while Repole was ranting, there was a fruitful and successful process underway to hone in on the next coach. I don't know if there was any dissent on who to hire, and to what extent Oliva and Gempeshaw's voice, if any, overrode Cragg. But clearly as Repole was hurting our ability to hire a credible candidate with his over the top rant, others were moving towards getting a respectable coach in here, all within 10 days or Mullin's departure.

Read and interpret however you want it, but for my 2 cents, I think Repole was more upset that he wasn't in a position to control the hire.

If you want to gauge how FOS he is, let's see if his love for the university (and us) results in the $10 million donation to renovate CA, as he mentioned to Francesa. My guess is that if he really intended to do it, it would be done already. I'm also guessing that the string attached to that offer, was to control the hire process for a coach.[/quote]

Beast, you have mentioned this several times. Understand that you don't like the way Repole went about it and you think he was motivated by feeling left out. Personally, I am not concerned about what motivated him. I thank God he outed the bush league issues that have plagued this program for too long.
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=344754][quote="Beast of the East" post=344747][quote="Manhattan1" post=344730]I am not sure how this is to be done but I believe the pressure needs to be put on Bobby and Oliva to resign. I think enough has come out recently where they are a detriment to the basketball program and also outside the basketball program. But from hearing lack of support of Mullin, Making Lavin's last two years hell here, and now making Cragg's life hell here I think they both need to go.
I just have no idea on how to go about that.[/quote]

Clearly, while Repole was ranting, there was a fruitful and successful process underway to hone in on the next coach. I don't know if there was any dissent on who to hire, and to what extent Oliva and Gempeshaw's voice, if any, overrode Cragg. But clearly as Repole was hurting our ability to hire a credible candidate with his over the top rant, others were moving towards getting a respectable coach in here, all within 10 days or Mullin's departure.

Read and interpret however you want it, but for my 2 cents, I think Repole was more upset that he wasn't in a position to control the hire.

If you want to gauge how FOS he is, let's see if his love for the university (and us) results in the $10 million donation to renovate CA, as he mentioned to Francesa. My guess is that if he really intended to do it, it would be done already. I'm also guessing that the string attached to that offer, was to control the hire process for a coach.[/quote]

Beast, you have mentioned this several times. Understand that you don't like the way Repole went about it and you think he was motivated by feeling left out. Personally, I am not concerned about what motivated him. I thank God he outed the bush league issues that have plagued this program for too long.[/quote]

This x1000
 
Everything Kranmars said is spot on but the horrible stench emanating from the administrative offices at St John's still remains and will continue to do so until changes are made at the highest levels.

It's about time that administration stops micromanaging it's employees., People should be empowered to be able to do the jobs that they were hired to do and be evaluated accordingly. As in the "real world", those who perform well should be retained and suitably rewarded and those who don't should be replaced. The Athletic Department should be run like the multi million dollar business that it is and not like a mom and pop operation.
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=344754][quote="Beast of the East" post=344747][quote="Manhattan1" post=344730]I am not sure how this is to be done but I believe the pressure needs to be put on Bobby and Oliva to resign. I think enough has come out recently where they are a detriment to the basketball program and also outside the basketball program. But from hearing lack of support of Mullin, Making Lavin's last two years hell here, and now making Cragg's life hell here I think they both need to go.
I just have no idea on how to go about that.[/quote]

Clearly, while Repole was ranting, there was a fruitful and successful process underway to hone in on the next coach. I don't know if there was any dissent on who to hire, and to what extent Oliva and Gempeshaw's voice, if any, overrode Cragg. But clearly as Repole was hurting our ability to hire a credible candidate with his over the top rant, others were moving towards getting a respectable coach in here, all within 10 days or Mullin's departure.

Read and interpret however you want it, but for my 2 cents, I think Repole was more upset that he wasn't in a position to control the hire.

If you want to gauge how FOS he is, let's see if his love for the university (and us) results in the $10 million donation to renovate CA, as he mentioned to Francesa. My guess is that if he really intended to do it, it would be done already. I'm also guessing that the string attached to that offer, was to control the hire process for a coach.[/quote]

Beast, you have mentioned this several times. Understand that you don't like the way Repole went about it and you think he was motivated by feeling left out. Personally, I am not concerned about what motivated him. I thank God he outed the bush league issues that have plagued this program for too long.[/quote]

I think he ranted the way a kid who got cut is tryouts bashes the varsity coach. He wanted in badly to be a decision maker, and my take is that while there is some truth there, he has totally distorted reality because his money alone didn't allow him to make the team. Let's see him get Zaun his seatbacks as he intimated.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=344747][quote="Manhattan1" post=344730]I am not sure how this is to be done but I believe the pressure needs to be put on Bobby and Oliva to resign. I think enough has come out recently where they are a detriment to the basketball program and also outside the basketball program. But from hearing lack of support of Mullin, Making Lavin's last two years hell here, and now making Cragg's life hell here I think they both need to go.
I just have no idea on how to go about that.[/quote]

Clearly, while Repole was ranting, there was a fruitful and successful process underway to hone in on the next coach. I don't know if there was any dissent on who to hire, and to what extent Oliva and Gempeshaw's voice, if any, overrode Cragg. But clearly as Repole was hurting our ability to hire a credible candidate with his over the top rant, others were moving towards getting a respectable coach in here, all within 10 days or Mullin's departure.

Read and interpret however you want it, but for my 2 cents, I think Repole was more upset that he wasn't in a position to control the hire.

If you want to gauge how FOS he is, let's see if his love for the university (and us) results in the $10 million donation to renovate CA, as he mentioned to Francesa. My guess is that if he really intended to do it, it would be done already. I'm also guessing that the string attached to that offer, was to control the hire process for a coach.[/quote]



I am not going solely off of Repole's interview. I have heard this from several other people who have had to directly deal with these two individuals in the past.

When the top stinks it trickles down to other things
 
[quote="Manhattan1" post=344761][quote="Beast of the East" post=344747][quote="Manhattan1" post=344730]I am not sure how this is to be done but I believe the pressure needs to be put on Bobby and Oliva to resign. I think enough has come out recently where they are a detriment to the basketball program and also outside the basketball program. But from hearing lack of support of Mullin, Making Lavin's last two years hell here, and now making Cragg's life hell here I think they both need to go.
I just have no idea on how to go about that.[/quote]

Clearly, while Repole was ranting, there was a fruitful and successful process underway to hone in on the next coach. I don't know if there was any dissent on who to hire, and to what extent Oliva and Gempeshaw's voice, if any, overrode Cragg. But clearly as Repole was hurting our ability to hire a credible candidate with his over the top rant, others were moving towards getting a respectable coach in here, all within 10 days or Mullin's departure.

Read and interpret however you want it, but for my 2 cents, I think Repole was more upset that he wasn't in a position to control the hire.

If you want to gauge how FOS he is, let's see if his love for the university (and us) results in the $10 million donation to renovate CA, as he mentioned to Francesa. My guess is that if he really intended to do it, it would be done already. I'm also guessing that the string attached to that offer, was to control the hire process for a coach.[/quote]



I am not going solely off of Repole's interview. I have heard this from several other people who have had to directly deal with these two individuals in the past.

When the top stinks it trickles down to other things[/quote]

I don't know Oliva, and can only go by what others say. I've met Bobby several times, and I do think he relies on the board significantly for input, and can micromanage at times. OVerall he is a competent administrator who has made vast improvements in academics, attracting quality leaders, and restoring connections to area Catholic HS's to make us a player in college decisions to SJU. You guys are judging Bobby overwhelmingly on basketball.

Today we have a more experienced coach than Hurley, with a solid wining percentage in a top league, who appears to be a solid guy as well. All this was happening as Repole threw a public tantrum because his money couldn't work his way into the inner circle.
 
It will be interesting to see if Thing-1 and Thing-2 attend the press conference.



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[quote="Beast of the East" post=344760][quote="JohnnyFan" post=344754][quote="Beast of the East" post=344747][quote="Manhattan1" post=344730]I am not sure how this is to be done but I believe the pressure needs to be put on Bobby and Oliva to resign. I think enough has come out recently where they are a detriment to the basketball program and also outside the basketball program. But from hearing lack of support of Mullin, Making Lavin's last two years hell here, and now making Cragg's life hell here I think they both need to go.
I just have no idea on how to go about that.[/quote]

Clearly, while Repole was ranting, there was a fruitful and successful process underway to hone in on the next coach. I don't know if there was any dissent on who to hire, and to what extent Oliva and Gempeshaw's voice, if any, overrode Cragg. But clearly as Repole was hurting our ability to hire a credible candidate with his over the top rant, others were moving towards getting a respectable coach in here, all within 10 days or Mullin's departure.

Read and interpret however you want it, but for my 2 cents, I think Repole was more upset that he wasn't in a position to control the hire.

If you want to gauge how FOS he is, let's see if his love for the university (and us) results in the $10 million donation to renovate CA, as he mentioned to Francesa. My guess is that if he really intended to do it, it would be done already. I'm also guessing that the string attached to that offer, was to control the hire process for a coach.[/quote]

Beast, you have mentioned this several times. Understand that you don't like the way Repole went about it and you think he was motivated by feeling left out. Personally, I am not concerned about what motivated him. I thank God he outed the bush league issues that have plagued this program for too long.[/quote]

I think he ranted the way a kid who got cut is tryouts bashes the varsity coach. He wanted in badly to be a decision maker, and my take is that while there is some truth there, he has totally distorted reality because his money alone didn't allow him to make the team. Let's see him get Zaun his seatbacks as he intimated.[/quote]

Thank God he ranted. There are still too many ass kissers like you who would have been satisfied with Paul Hewitt or Joe Jones. Yes we came this close to another 5 years of stupidity and screwing the fan base . I guarantee if MR had been allowed in the process we'd be a lot closer to pulling the program out of the abyss and into respectability.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=344765][quote="Manhattan1" post=344761][quote="Beast of the East" post=344747][quote="Manhattan1" post=344730]I am not sure how this is to be done but I believe the pressure needs to be put on Bobby and Oliva to resign. I think enough has come out recently where they are a detriment to the basketball program and also outside the basketball program. But from hearing lack of support of Mullin, Making Lavin's last two years hell here, and now making Cragg's life hell here I think they both need to go.
I just have no idea on how to go about that.[/quote]

Clearly, while Repole was ranting, there was a fruitful and successful process underway to hone in on the next coach. I don't know if there was any dissent on who to hire, and to what extent Oliva and Gempeshaw's voice, if any, overrode Cragg. But clearly as Repole was hurting our ability to hire a credible candidate with his over the top rant, others were moving towards getting a respectable coach in here, all within 10 days or Mullin's departure.

Read and interpret however you want it, but for my 2 cents, I think Repole was more upset that he wasn't in a position to control the hire.

If you want to gauge how FOS he is, let's see if his love for the university (and us) results in the $10 million donation to renovate CA, as he mentioned to Francesa. My guess is that if he really intended to do it, it would be done already. I'm also guessing that the string attached to that offer, was to control the hire process for a coach.[/quote]



I am not going solely off of Repole's interview. I have heard this from several other people who have had to directly deal with these two individuals in the past.

When the top stinks it trickles down to other things[/quote]

I don't know Oliva, and can only go by what others say. I've met Bobby several times, and I do think he relies on the board significantly for input, and can micromanage at times. OVerall he is a competent administrator who has made vast improvements in academics, attracting quality leaders, and restoring connections to area Catholic HS's to make us a player in college decisions to SJU. You guys are judging Bobby overwhelmingly on basketball.

Today we have a more experienced coach than Hurley, with a solid wining percentage in a top league, who appears to be a solid guy as well. All this was happening as Repole threw a public tantrum because his money couldn't work his way into the inner circle.[/quote]

Sorry Beast, but this is all coming off as spin on your part.

Prior to Repole's Rant, Cragg was NOT being allowed to do his job. Unless the reports are wrong, he wanted Hurley/Cluess and the administration didn't. They wanted Moser, who smartly turned down the job because he knew he wasn't the AD's choice. Then they were looking at Jones. Enter Repole and his outing of Bobby and Joe and their meddling in the process. 24 hours later we have a highly respected HC who was our AD's choice and came with a recommendation from his friends at Duke.

I've seen how this administration has run this program since Fr. Harrington left. I'm not buying that their plan was all along to go through a process that would eventually lead them to getting out of Cragg's way, and that the Repole Rant had nothing to do with it.

Seems more likely from where I'm sitting in the cheap seats that his rant is the ONLY reason Cragg finally got to be Cragg.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=344779][quote="Beast of the East" post=344765][quote="Manhattan1" post=344761][quote="Beast of the East" post=344747][quote="Manhattan1" post=344730]I am not sure how this is to be done but I believe the pressure needs to be put on Bobby and Oliva to resign. I think enough has come out recently where they are a detriment to the basketball program and also outside the basketball program. But from hearing lack of support of Mullin, Making Lavin's last two years hell here, and now making Cragg's life hell here I think they both need to go.
I just have no idea on how to go about that.[/quote]

Clearly, while Repole was ranting, there was a fruitful and successful process underway to hone in on the next coach. I don't know if there was any dissent on who to hire, and to what extent Oliva and Gempeshaw's voice, if any, overrode Cragg. But clearly as Repole was hurting our ability to hire a credible candidate with his over the top rant, others were moving towards getting a respectable coach in here, all within 10 days or Mullin's departure.

Read and interpret however you want it, but for my 2 cents, I think Repole was more upset that he wasn't in a position to control the hire.

If you want to gauge how FOS he is, let's see if his love for the university (and us) results in the $10 million donation to renovate CA, as he mentioned to Francesa. My guess is that if he really intended to do it, it would be done already. I'm also guessing that the string attached to that offer, was to control the hire process for a coach.[/quote]



I am not going solely off of Repole's interview. I have heard this from several other people who have had to directly deal with these two individuals in the past.

When the top stinks it trickles down to other things[/quote]

I don't know Oliva, and can only go by what others say. I've met Bobby several times, and I do think he relies on the board significantly for input, and can micromanage at times. OVerall he is a competent administrator who has made vast improvements in academics, attracting quality leaders, and restoring connections to area Catholic HS's to make us a player in college decisions to SJU. You guys are judging Bobby overwhelmingly on basketball.

Today we have a more experienced coach than Hurley, with a solid wining percentage in a top league, who appears to be a solid guy as well. All this was happening as Repole threw a public tantrum because his money couldn't work his way into the inner circle.[/quote]

Sorry Beast, but this is all coming off as spin on your part.

Prior to Repole's Rant, Cragg was NOT being allowed to do his job. Unless the reports are wrong, he wanted Hurley/Cluess and the administration didn't. They wanted Moser, who smartly turned down the job because he knew he wasn't the AD's choice. Then they were looking at Jones. Enter Repole and his outing of Bobby and Joe and their meddling in the process. 24 hours later we have a highly respected HC who was our AD's choice and came with a recommendation from his friends at Duke.

I've seen how this administration has run this program since Fr. Harrington left. I'm not buying that their plan was all along to go through a process that would eventually lead them to getting out of Cragg's way, and that the Repole Rant had nothing to do with it.

Seems more likely from where I'm sitting in the cheap seats that his rant is the ONLY reason Cragg finally got to be Cragg.[/quote]


Cragg had a gun without any bullets. Repole loaded it for him.
 
[quote="kred" post=344768][quote="Beast of the East" post=344760][quote="JohnnyFan" post=344754][quote="Beast of the East" post=344747][quote="Manhattan1" post=344730]I am not sure how this is to be done but I believe the pressure needs to be put on Bobby and Oliva to resign. I think enough has come out recently where they are a detriment to the basketball program and also outside the basketball program. But from hearing lack of support of Mullin, Making Lavin's last two years hell here, and now making Cragg's life hell here I think they both need to go.
I just have no idea on how to go about that.[/quote]

Clearly, while Repole was ranting, there was a fruitful and successful process underway to hone in on the next coach. I don't know if there was any dissent on who to hire, and to what extent Oliva and Gempeshaw's voice, if any, overrode Cragg. But clearly as Repole was hurting our ability to hire a credible candidate with his over the top rant, others were moving towards getting a respectable coach in here, all within 10 days or Mullin's departure.

Read and interpret however you want it, but for my 2 cents, I think Repole was more upset that he wasn't in a position to control the hire.

If you want to gauge how FOS he is, let's see if his love for the university (and us) results in the $10 million donation to renovate CA, as he mentioned to Francesa. My guess is that if he really intended to do it, it would be done already. I'm also guessing that the string attached to that offer, was to control the hire process for a coach.[/quote]

Beast, you have mentioned this several times. Understand that you don't like the way Repole went about it and you think he was motivated by feeling left out. Personally, I am not concerned about what motivated him. I thank God he outed the bush league issues that have plagued this program for too long.[/quote]

I think he ranted the way a kid who got cut is tryouts bashes the varsity coach. He wanted in badly to be a decision maker, and my take is that while there is some truth there, he has totally distorted reality because his money alone didn't allow him to make the team. Let's see him get Zaun his seatbacks as he intimated.[/quote]

Thank God he ranted. There are still too many ass kissers like you who would have been satisfied with Paul Hewitt or Joe Jones. Yes we came this close to another 5 years of stupidity and screwing the fan base . I guarantee if MR had been allowed in the process we'd be a lot closer to pulling the program out of the abyss and into respectability.[/quote]

Haha. If you knew me for 5 minutes, you'd know I am anything but.

Why do you think Repole wasn't front and center? Because there is a myth that he paid for Lavin, there is a myth that he was funding the new coach. The guy is such an academic idiot who barely got out of HS, barely got out of college that he called for the removal of the board, the President, and the number two guy in the university. Exactly who did he think was going to do that, since those are collectively the decision makers? No one, because he was calling for the impossible. Are you really dumb enough to believe that one phone call to Francesa turned this situation around in 24 hours? Keep believing that.
 
To review, Mike Repole is a billionaire alumni sponsor who made his fortune in the sports drink business. He has Kobe Bryant as a business partner and passionately loves St. John's basketball.

Most people would agree he should be embraced as a resource. Mike Cragg seems to get that. I hope Mike stays and has the opportunity to function as the Director of Athletics.

I sense the other two clowns need to step aside or Cragg will seek a less dysfunctional environment.
 
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[quote="ErickTheRed" post=344791]I'm sure Mike will lose sleep and have a terrible Easter knowing that some clown on this site doesn't care for him.[/quote]

No but he should lose sleep now that the university that he professed his love for, for the meetings with Mullin and Cragg that transpired solely because of this wealth, and every door to the university will be slammed in his face because he torched the school. When he regains his composure he will know that he forever lost any opportunity to influence what goes on at St. John's merely by waving his checkbook as a carrot.

Trust me. Whatever happened yesterday with the new hire, happened in spite of Repole, not because of him.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=344803][quote="ErickTheRed" post=344791]I'm sure Mike will lose sleep and have a terrible Easter knowing that some clown on this site doesn't care for him.[/quote]

No but he should lose sleep now that the university that he professed his love for, for the meetings with Mullin and Cragg that transpired solely because of this wealth, and every door to the university will be slammed in his face because he torched the school. When he regains his composure he will know that he forever lost any opportunity to influence what goes on at St. John's merely by waving his checkbook as a carrot.

Trust me. Whatever happened yesterday with the new hire, happened in spite of Repole, not because of him.[/quote]

And how exactly are all the other board members on the board? It's in fact because they too waive their checkbook as a carrot.

It seems as if you are connected to Oliva, and your feelings are hurt. Sucks, but Oliva has been here for over 20 years and are program is still in the hole. Time to move on. Thankfully Repole had the balls to speak up publicly on a huge platform and exposure the fraud and deceit that has tainted this school behind closed doors for years. The message was received by many. They cannot continue to operate as mom and pop any more.
 
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