Lavin's Body Of Work At SJU

[mjmaherjr]

One thing I do know for sure, the 2019 graduating class (so far Henderson, ADR, Sampson, and Doughty) will enjoy a much better four year run together than this 2015 graduating class did.

Marillac, March 15, 2012:

http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=6747.msg106422#msg106422

"IMO, we will be better than UK for the next three years. They could be losing: Terrence Jones, Darius Miller, Anthony Davis, Doron Lamb, Marquis Teague, and Kidd-Gilchrest. You can't replace that with freshmen and be better than the soph's we return."

Ouch !!! You just got gonzalo'd

 

[cappy105]

took onions to go with that line up yesterday. kudos to Lav, great game all around. Kids looked prepared.

 

[JohnnyFan]

took onions to go with that line up yesterday. kudos to Lav, great game all around. Kids looked prepared.

He had no choice but to go with that line-up.

 

[Avon Barksdale]

took onions to go with that line up yesterday. kudos to Lav, great game all around. Kids looked prepared.

He had no choice but to go with that line-up.

I agree. Based on Felix's "offensive outburst" vs Butler he replaced Chris with him. But this idea that some outstanding lineup was concocted is patently ridiculous - it was done more by default.

 

[paultzman]

took onions to go with that line up yesterday. kudos to Lav, great game all around. Kids looked prepared.

He had no choice but to go with that line-up.

I agree. Based on Felix's "offensive outburst" vs Butler he replaced Chris with him. But this idea that some outstanding lineup was concocted is patently ridiculous - it was done more by default.

Agree & good luck with small ball against teams with interior strength like Xavier, GT & Nova. You need Obekpa & Amar to step up against their bangers. Not going to be easy. Creighton has size, but their bigs are not very physical. Easier to play small against them than teams noted.

 

[monte]

JDR changes the game is the most insane inane comment you have made in a litany of such comments. Unless you mean he changes the game to a 4 on 5 situation of course.

JDR can't run, jump, shoot or rebound & will never be a factor at this level. Seems like a nice kid, but let's not get carried away.

You'll get no argument from me on any of the above! It was a poor choice of words. The fact that the kid, in spite of all that you and I mentioned, can give us 3-5 minutes straight without being a complete liability says a lot about raw size and hustle. ADR is just as big and he is infinitely more skilled.

I"m not making the kid out to be star in my mind or anybody else's--and who knows if he'll ever even qualify--but I think he can be a very, very solid 15-20 mpg guy if his weight is kept in check and he is given the green light by the NCAA. I really think he'll surprise.

Agree on Adonis potential if he makes commitment to get in decent playing shape. Nice hands, good shot, passes well, legit big & has good instincts. Please pay the price Adonis!

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That's a big "If" Paultz. Hope so as well as he could be a serviceable big down the road. I find it odd that we are now 3/4 through the season and there has been absolutely no update on his status. Surprised that no one from the local media has pushed Lavin on it. Zach are you out there????????????

 

[paultzman]

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JDR changes the game is the most insane inane comment you have made in a litany of such comments. Unless you mean he changes the game to a 4 on 5 situation of course.

JDR can't run, jump, shoot or rebound & will never be a factor at this level. Seems like a nice kid, but let's not get carried away.

You'll get no argument from me on any of the above! It was a poor choice of words. The fact that the kid, in spite of all that you and I mentioned, can give us 3-5 minutes straight without being a complete liability says a lot about raw size and hustle. ADR is just as big and he is infinitely more skilled.

I"m not making the kid out to be star in my mind or anybody else's--and who knows if he'll ever even qualify--but I think he can be a very, very solid 15-20 mpg guy if his weight is kept in check and he is given the green light by the NCAA. I really think he'll surprise.

Agree on Adonis potential if he makes commitment to get in decent playing shape. Nice hands, good shot, passes well, legit big & has good instincts. Please pay the price Adonis!

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That's a big "If" Paultz. Hope so as well as he could be a serviceable big down the road. I find it odd that we are now 3/4 through the season and there has been absolutely no update on his status. Surprised that no one from the local media has pushed Lavin on it. Zach are you out there????????????

Zach gets as much inside info from SJU as you & me. I did ask him, but he said he has no clue.
Re: Adonis, having seen him many times like you, that is a big "IF" for sure.

Btw, watching Rhody. Hassan Martin is a beast & really developing.

 

[monte]

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JDR changes the game is the most insane inane comment you have made in a litany of such comments. Unless you mean he changes the game to a 4 on 5 situation of course.

JDR can't run, jump, shoot or rebound & will never be a factor at this level. Seems like a nice kid, but let's not get carried away.

You'll get no argument from me on any of the above! It was a poor choice of words. The fact that the kid, in spite of all that you and I mentioned, can give us 3-5 minutes straight without being a complete liability says a lot about raw size and hustle. ADR is just as big and he is infinitely more skilled.

I"m not making the kid out to be star in my mind or anybody else's--and who knows if he'll ever even qualify--but I think he can be a very, very solid 15-20 mpg guy if his weight is kept in check and he is given the green light by the NCAA. I really think he'll surprise.

Agree on Adonis potential if he makes commitment to get in decent playing shape. Nice hands, good shot, passes well, legit big & has good instincts. Please pay the price Adonis!

\
That's a big "If" Paultz. Hope so as well as he could be a serviceable big down the road. I find it odd that we are now 3/4 through the season and there has been absolutely no update on his status. Surprised that no one from the local media has pushed Lavin on it. Zach are you out there????????????

Zach gets as much inside info from SJU as you & me. I did ask him, but he said he has no clue.
Re: Adonis, having seen him many times like you, that is a big "IF" for sure.

Btw, watching Rhody. Hassan Martin is a beast & really developing.

Coincidentally and old basketball buddy of mine (not to be confused with an old Jesuiit High School buddy of mine lol) just posted on Facebook that his son., a Richmond student, sang the national anthem before the game.

 

[Mean Gene]

took onions to go with that line up yesterday. kudos to Lav, great game all around. Kids looked prepared.

He had no choice but to go with that line-up.

I agree. Based on Felix's "offensive outburst" vs Butler he replaced Chris with him. But this idea that some outstanding lineup was concocted is patently ridiculous - it was done more by default.

Agree & good luck with small ball against teams with interior strength like Xavier, GT & Nova. You need Obekpa & Amar to step up against their bangers. Not going to be easy. Creighton has size, but their bigs are not very physical. Easier to play small against them than teams noted.

When we play Xavier and Georgetown, JDR is going to have to get some time too. He's a big body and can bang with guys like Josh Smith and Stainbrook.

 

[stjohnschris]

Has Lavin improved / regressed as a coach since he arrived? Or about the same.

Not to be facetious but the point of this thread is answer those questions. 
Personally, I think his coaching has improved in the past two years especially given that our brain trust hired a coach who was literally out of coaching for around 7 years. That was a huge gamble.
Last year should have been an NCAA Tourney year but player issues plagued the team with Rysheed at the center of the turbulence in a few key losses. The meltdown by the team in the NIT ruined the year.

This year began with the usual drama with the projected power forward declared ineligible rendering our front court fulnerable and possibly ruining what could have been a special year.  The loss of Rico Gathers had a similar effect on Lavin's record the previous two years.

Accordingly, his body of work will be mitigated by player losses. There is much to be said of what could have been had Jakarr stayed an extra year as his progress in the NBA shows this would have been a monster team with him.  That is no fault of Lavin.

Finally, much has been made of Lavin's salary but there are better coaches at higher salaries this year struggling without our drama and deeper benches. Look at Kevin Ollie at UCONN, Billy Donovan at UF, and Steve Alford at UCLA.  The hard part of the schedule is coming up and an NCAA bid is a long shot but hopefully we do not pull a disappearing act in the Big East tourney or the NIT and we sign some players so that we can be competitive in the league.  Unless Shaka Smart becomes available after a demoralizing loss at St. Bonaventure I doubt we make a move with an unknown coach on the national level that will cost SJU more than Lavin's brand name in the current market. 

Shaka wouldn't come to St. John's. There really aren't a lot of guys out there that would consider this gig that are any better than Lavin.

Bruce Pearl would be a guy that I think could enjoy massive success, but he seems like a football conference guy. Plus, he would have no margin of error before the sharks started to circle on these sites.

One thing I do know for sure, the 2019 graduating class (so far Henderson, ADR, Sampson, and Doughty) will enjoy a much better four year run together than this 2015 graduating class did.

You must be assuming this class will have a different coach?

 

[Andrew]

JDR changes the game is the most insane inane comment you have made in a litany of such comments. Unless you mean he changes the game to a 4 on 5 situation of course.

JDR can't run, jump, shoot or rebound & will never be a factor at this level. Seems like a nice kid, but let's not get carried away.

You'll get no argument from me on any of the above! It was a poor choice of words. The fact that the kid, in spite of all that you and I mentioned, can give us 3-5 minutes straight without being a complete liability says a lot about raw size and hustle. ADR is just as big and he is infinitely more skilled.

I"m not making the kid out to be star in my mind or anybody else's--and who knows if he'll ever even qualify--but I think he can be a very, very solid 15-20 mpg guy if his weight is kept in check and he is given the green light by the NCAA. I really think he'll surprise.

I agree with you on ADR.