Lavin parting ways with St.John's

[austour]

The cost-cutting, I have direct knowledge of. It is no secret. Many people at the school, including within the athletic department, were offered buyouts in the past two years. As to what they will pay the next coach, that is opinion and speculation.

And it's my understanding that of the 200 or so employees who took the buyouts, none have been replaced. This is a very real and serious issue, faced by not just St. John's, but just about every university and college in the country.

Not exactly true. The upper 10-20% of schools are not lacking for applicants as far as I know, with students more than happy to mortgage their futures for the chance of attending a highly regarded university

Exactly. The UC system is deluged with applications and their acceptance rates keep going down each year. Of course the UCs are also a bargain compared to their relative competition but I don't think the Ivies are at a loss for applicants either. How high do you have to be ranked to be in the top 10%? I take it not 347?

Austour, I believe I owe you an apology as my last response to you was a flippant remark, which I regret. It was regarding Erick Barkley and Omar Cook. You were right and I was wrong. I apologize. Please chalk it up to a little too much Chianti, as I am want to do on some occasions.

I have no idea what you're talking about so no problem. Got a link?

 

[gregbodkin]

The cost-cutting, I have direct knowledge of. It is no secret. Many people at the school, including within the athletic department, were offered buyouts in the past two years. As to what they will pay the next coach, that is opinion and speculation.

And it's my understanding that of the 200 or so employees who took the buyouts, none have been replaced. This is a very real and serious issue, faced by not just St. John's, but just about every university and college in the country.

Not exactly true. The upper 10-20% of schools are not lacking for applicants as far as I know, with students more than happy to mortgage their futures for the chance of attending a highly regarded university

Exactly. The UC system is deluged with applications and their acceptance rates keep going down each year. Of course the UCs are also a bargain compared to their relative competition but I don't think the Ivies are at a loss for applicants either. How high do you have to be ranked to be in the top 10%? I take it not 347?

Austour, I believe I owe you an apology as my last response to you was a flippant remark, which I regret. It was regarding Erick Barkley and Omar Cook. You were right and I was wrong. I apologize. Please chalk it up to a little too much Chianti, as I am want to do on some occasions.

I have no idea what you're talking about so no problem. Got a link?

Never mind. I just thought I owed you an apology. When I read my reply I thought you might be offended so I just thought I should show you some respect. God bless!

 

[Jack Williams]

Steve Lavin official statement made yesterday:

"In life change is inevitable, so I take the long view. I'm grateful for my time teaching at St. John’s University. I will take with me the lasting friendships forged during my tenure as Head Coach. I'm proud of our results both on and off the court - in particular our memorable runs to the NCAA tournament in 2011 and 2015. Most importantly, I take pride in our performance in the classroom having graduated our student athletes who will represent the institution in a first class manner."

 

[JohnnyFan]

If on the court results and the recruiting been better, would Lavin had gotten his extension?

My opinion: Without a doubt. They didn't begrudge the money. They didn't want to pay this kind of money to not have a single outstanding season. Both NCAA bid seasons were accentuated by mid BE season runs, and losses in the BET and NCAA without a single good performance. Had he gone to an Elite 8, a sweet sixteen, and had a plus .500 ncaa record, he'd still be here.

Was it his fault that dj Kennedy was hurt in the be game against syracuse? That cost us that game plus a run I the big dance. Remember they changed our seeding due yo his injury.
was it his fault that obekpa smoked pot? They can't watch these idiots 24 hr a day.
is he to blame because jordan was a head case, not to mention harrison's first two hot head years?
was it his fault that Harkness and Sampson jumped to the nba?
I can go on. I don't think the school president has a clue as to what has happened. Now everyone wants mullin? mullin won't be passing or shooting. Living in the past won't bring st johns back. this program is dying fast, if it isn't already dead

We would need a new thread to list all of the excuses.

He pretty much just listed them all. My response to his post is simple:

St John's wants and needs a winning team. With Lavin we won but just not enough when it came to the postseason. The entire Lavin tenure was a lot of bark and not enough bite. And when the recruiting started to disappear, his "strength", it was time to move on.

No it wasn't his fault DJ got hurt and Chris smoked pot. To me the thing I can't get past is we had a roster last year (well I guess 2 years ago) that should have been competing for a final four. I'm not exaggerating, they were good enough, and showed it at times. When we missed the tournament with that roster I knew they'd let Lavin finish out with his seniors but I always had a feeling he'd never be able to make up for that year.

I appreciate what he did for us. He made St. John's an attractive job again. There's a reason mullin is reportedly interested. Lavin made this an attractive place to coach again. I thank him, but it's time to get a coach that can recruit AND then do something with those recruits on the floor.

Has it been reported that he is interested?

 

[Jack Williams]

If on the court results and the recruiting been better, would Lavin had gotten his extension?

My opinion: Without a doubt. They didn't begrudge the money. They didn't want to pay this kind of money to not have a single outstanding season. Both NCAA bid seasons were accentuated by mid BE season runs, and losses in the BET and NCAA without a single good performance. Had he gone to an Elite 8, a sweet sixteen, and had a plus .500 ncaa record, he'd still be here.

Was it his fault that dj Kennedy was hurt in the be game against syracuse? That cost us that game plus a run I the big dance. Remember they changed our seeding due yo his injury.
was it his fault that obekpa smoked pot? They can't watch these idiots 24 hr a day.
is he to blame because jordan was a head case, not to mention harrison's first two hot head years?
was it his fault that Harkness and Sampson jumped to the nba?
I can go on. I don't think the school president has a clue as to what has happened. Now everyone wants mullin? mullin won't be passing or shooting. Living in the past won't bring st johns back. this program is dying fast, if it isn't already dead

We would need a new thread to list all of the excuses.

He pretty much just listed them all. My response to his post is simple:

St John's wants and needs a winning team. With Lavin we won but just not enough when it came to the postseason. The entire Lavin tenure was a lot of bark and not enough bite. And when the recruiting started to disappear, his "strength", it was time to move on.

No it wasn't his fault DJ got hurt and Chris smoked pot. To me the thing I can't get past is we had a roster last year (well I guess 2 years ago) that should have been competing for a final four. I'm not exaggerating, they were good enough, and showed it at times. When we missed the tournament with that roster I knew they'd let Lavin finish out with his seniors but I always had a feeling he'd never be able to make up for that year.

I appreciate what he did for us. He made St. John's an attractive job again. There's a reason mullin is reportedly interested. Lavin made this an attractive place to coach again. I thank him, but it's time to get a coach that can recruit AND then do something with those recruits on the floor.

Has it been reported that he is interested?

I've seen multiple reporters say he is.

 

[Section3]

If on the court results and the recruiting been better, would Lavin had gotten his extension?

Um. Yes.

Even if he asked for a lot more $$ ?

Depends on how much but I think if he did better recruiting they would've worked it out. At the end of the day I think the effort ran out from lavin. He wants to be on the west coast not here. IMO Arizona state would be smart to hire him

It would be interesting seeing how he would do at ASU. I hope he goes somewhere because he has the players best interest at heart. I don't think it was lack of effort from him. I think his personality or style did not fit well with a segment of fans. He is not exactly a win at all cost coach and he has his much discussed limitations as a coach. I also think if he did win more here he would have asked for much more money and would have been hard to keep here.

Now, we see what the next chapter brings.

I think his undoing was not putting his pride aside..IMO he wanted to dispel the perception of his X&O ability and, at least on the surface, did not appear to rely on the supposed X&O guy he hired (Whitesell)...

 

[Section3]

If on the court results and the recruiting been better, would Lavin had gotten his extension?

My opinion: Without a doubt. They didn't begrudge the money. They didn't want to pay this kind of money to not have a single outstanding season. Both NCAA bid seasons were accentuated by mid BE season runs, and losses in the BET and NCAA without a single good performance. Had he gone to an Elite 8, a sweet sixteen, and had a plus .500 ncaa record, he'd still be here.

Was it his fault that dj Kennedy was hurt in the be game against syracuse? That cost us that game plus a run I the big dance. Remember they changed our seeding due yo his injury.
was it his fault that obekpa smoked pot? They can't watch these idiots 24 hr a day.
is he to blame because jordan was a head case, not to mention harrison's first two hot head years?
was it his fault that Harkness and Sampson jumped to the nba?
I can go on. I don't think the school president has a clue as to what has happened. Now everyone wants mullin? mullin won't be passing or shooting. Living in the past won't bring st johns back. this program is dying fast, if it isn't already dead

We would need a new thread to list all of the excuses.

He pretty much just listed them all. My response to his post is simple:

St John's wants and needs a winning team. With Lavin we won but just not enough when it came to the postseason. The entire Lavin tenure was a lot of bark and not enough bite. And when the recruiting started to disappear, his "strength", it was time to move on.

No it wasn't his fault DJ got hurt and Chris smoked pot. To me the thing I can't get past is we had a roster last year (well I guess 2 years ago) that should have been competing for a final four. I'm not exaggerating, they were good enough, and showed it at times. When we missed the tournament with that roster I knew they'd let Lavin finish out with his seniors but I always had a feeling he'd never be able to make up for that year.

I appreciate what he did for us. He made St. John's an attractive job again. There's a reason mullin is reportedly interested. Lavin made this an attractive place to coach again. I thank him, but it's time to get a coach that can recruit AND then do something with those recruits on the floor.

His recruiting was fine in that he got us to the table w/players we would never have had a chance with...the problem for him was the lack of results the past 2 years...without results, you are not going to get many early commits..as a result, we were always chasing for late commits..

testament to his likability that he remainied in the game with some of these kids (including Briscoe) until the end...

Testament to fact that tehre is avery short window to acieve success after the Buzz has started..we didnt capitalize on the early buzz

 

[JohnnyFan]

If on the court results and the recruiting been better, would Lavin had gotten his extension?

My opinion: Without a doubt. They didn't begrudge the money. They didn't want to pay this kind of money to not have a single outstanding season. Both NCAA bid seasons were accentuated by mid BE season runs, and losses in the BET and NCAA without a single good performance. Had he gone to an Elite 8, a sweet sixteen, and had a plus .500 ncaa record, he'd still be here.

Was it his fault that dj Kennedy was hurt in the be game against syracuse? That cost us that game plus a run I the big dance. Remember they changed our seeding due yo his injury.
was it his fault that obekpa smoked pot? They can't watch these idiots 24 hr a day.
is he to blame because jordan was a head case, not to mention harrison's first two hot head years?
was it his fault that Harkness and Sampson jumped to the nba?
I can go on. I don't think the school president has a clue as to what has happened. Now everyone wants mullin? mullin won't be passing or shooting. Living in the past won't bring st johns back. this program is dying fast, if it isn't already dead

We would need a new thread to list all of the excuses.

He pretty much just listed them all. My response to his post is simple:

St John's wants and needs a winning team. With Lavin we won but just not enough when it came to the postseason. The entire Lavin tenure was a lot of bark and not enough bite. And when the recruiting started to disappear, his "strength", it was time to move on.

No it wasn't his fault DJ got hurt and Chris smoked pot. To me the thing I can't get past is we had a roster last year (well I guess 2 years ago) that should have been competing for a final four. I'm not exaggerating, they were good enough, and showed it at times. When we missed the tournament with that roster I knew they'd let Lavin finish out with his seniors but I always had a feeling he'd never be able to make up for that year.

I appreciate what he did for us. He made St. John's an attractive job again. There's a reason mullin is reportedly interested. Lavin made this an attractive place to coach again. I thank him, but it's time to get a coach that can recruit AND then do something with those recruits on the floor.

Has it been reported that he is interested?

I've seen multiple reporters say he is.

I having trouble finding that. Link?

 

[Jack Williams]

If on the court results and the recruiting been better, would Lavin had gotten his extension?

My opinion: Without a doubt. They didn't begrudge the money. They didn't want to pay this kind of money to not have a single outstanding season. Both NCAA bid seasons were accentuated by mid BE season runs, and losses in the BET and NCAA without a single good performance. Had he gone to an Elite 8, a sweet sixteen, and had a plus .500 ncaa record, he'd still be here.

Was it his fault that dj Kennedy was hurt in the be game against syracuse? That cost us that game plus a run I the big dance. Remember they changed our seeding due yo his injury.
was it his fault that obekpa smoked pot? They can't watch these idiots 24 hr a day.
is he to blame because jordan was a head case, not to mention harrison's first two hot head years?
was it his fault that Harkness and Sampson jumped to the nba?
I can go on. I don't think the school president has a clue as to what has happened. Now everyone wants mullin? mullin won't be passing or shooting. Living in the past won't bring st johns back. this program is dying fast, if it isn't already dead

We would need a new thread to list all of the excuses.

He pretty much just listed them all. My response to his post is simple:

St John's wants and needs a winning team. With Lavin we won but just not enough when it came to the postseason. The entire Lavin tenure was a lot of bark and not enough bite. And when the recruiting started to disappear, his "strength", it was time to move on.

No it wasn't his fault DJ got hurt and Chris smoked pot. To me the thing I can't get past is we had a roster last year (well I guess 2 years ago) that should have been competing for a final four. I'm not exaggerating, they were good enough, and showed it at times. When we missed the tournament with that roster I knew they'd let Lavin finish out with his seniors but I always had a feeling he'd never be able to make up for that year.

I appreciate what he did for us. He made St. John's an attractive job again. There's a reason mullin is reportedly interested. Lavin made this an attractive place to coach again. I thank him, but it's time to get a coach that can recruit AND then do something with those recruits on the floor.

Has it been reported that he is interested?

I've seen multiple reporters say he is.

I having trouble finding that. Link?

Paultz posted this yesterday but I've seen other tweets I need to find

@JPPelzman: Multiple sources have told me Chris Mullin is very interested in the St. John's job. #sjubb

 

[JohnnyFan]

If on the court results and the recruiting been better, would Lavin had gotten his extension?

My opinion: Without a doubt. They didn't begrudge the money. They didn't want to pay this kind of money to not have a single outstanding season. Both NCAA bid seasons were accentuated by mid BE season runs, and losses in the BET and NCAA without a single good performance. Had he gone to an Elite 8, a sweet sixteen, and had a plus .500 ncaa record, he'd still be here.

Was it his fault that dj Kennedy was hurt in the be game against syracuse? That cost us that game plus a run I the big dance. Remember they changed our seeding due yo his injury.
was it his fault that obekpa smoked pot? They can't watch these idiots 24 hr a day.
is he to blame because jordan was a head case, not to mention harrison's first two hot head years?
was it his fault that Harkness and Sampson jumped to the nba?
I can go on. I don't think the school president has a clue as to what has happened. Now everyone wants mullin? mullin won't be passing or shooting. Living in the past won't bring st johns back. this program is dying fast, if it isn't already dead

We would need a new thread to list all of the excuses.

He pretty much just listed them all. My response to his post is simple:

St John's wants and needs a winning team. With Lavin we won but just not enough when it came to the postseason. The entire Lavin tenure was a lot of bark and not enough bite. And when the recruiting started to disappear, his "strength", it was time to move on.

No it wasn't his fault DJ got hurt and Chris smoked pot. To me the thing I can't get past is we had a roster last year (well I guess 2 years ago) that should have been competing for a final four. I'm not exaggerating, they were good enough, and showed it at times. When we missed the tournament with that roster I knew they'd let Lavin finish out with his seniors but I always had a feeling he'd never be able to make up for that year.

I appreciate what he did for us. He made St. John's an attractive job again. There's a reason mullin is reportedly interested. Lavin made this an attractive place to coach again. I thank him, but it's time to get a coach that can recruit AND then do something with those recruits on the floor.

Has it been reported that he is interested?

I've seen multiple reporters say he is.

I having trouble finding that. Link?

Paultz posted this yesterday but I've seen other tweets I need to find

@JPPelzman: Multiple sources have told me Chris Mullin is very interested in the St. John's job. #sjubb

Uhg. Thanks, Jack

No Mullin, Mo Masiello, No Jackson.......Please.

 

[OLV72]

With all this discussion on finances how much does the school receive from Fox and from Under Armor on an annual basis? The hoops program brings that money in. Also, does the hoops coach raise funds as part of their job?

Big names are not all expense. They raise millions for their schools every year.

 

[Jack Williams]

I personally would like the mullin hire. Agree, do not want mas, and Jackson will never happen period.

 

[austour]

5 year contract with Fox gives every BE program $10 mill per year. Also has a built in expansion guarantee for rates to be the same per year with 12 teams.

 

[austour]

PS. next contract won't be so generous methinks.

 

[Section3]

If on the court results and the recruiting been better, would Lavin had gotten his extension?

My opinion: Without a doubt. They didn't begrudge the money. They didn't want to pay this kind of money to not have a single outstanding season. Both NCAA bid seasons were accentuated by mid BE season runs, and losses in the BET and NCAA without a single good performance. Had he gone to an Elite 8, a sweet sixteen, and had a plus .500 ncaa record, he'd still be here.

Was it his fault that dj Kennedy was hurt in the be game against syracuse? That cost us that game plus a run I the big dance. Remember they changed our seeding due yo his injury.
was it his fault that obekpa smoked pot? They can't watch these idiots 24 hr a day.
is he to blame because jordan was a head case, not to mention harrison's first two hot head years?
was it his fault that Harkness and Sampson jumped to the nba?
I can go on. I don't think the school president has a clue as to what has happened. Now everyone wants mullin? mullin won't be passing or shooting. Living in the past won't bring st johns back. this program is dying fast, if it isn't already dead

We would need a new thread to list all of the excuses.

He pretty much just listed them all. My response to his post is simple:

St John's wants and needs a winning team. With Lavin we won but just not enough when it came to the postseason. The entire Lavin tenure was a lot of bark and not enough bite. And when the recruiting started to disappear, his "strength", it was time to move on.

No it wasn't his fault DJ got hurt and Chris smoked pot. To me the thing I can't get past is we had a roster last year (well I guess 2 years ago) that should have been competing for a final four. I'm not exaggerating, they were good enough, and showed it at times. When we missed the tournament with that roster I knew they'd let Lavin finish out with his seniors but I always had a feeling he'd never be able to make up for that year.

I appreciate what he did for us. He made St. John's an attractive job again. There's a reason mullin is reportedly interested. Lavin made this an attractive place to coach again. I thank him, but it's time to get a coach that can recruit AND then do something with those recruits on the floor.

Has it been reported that he is interested?

I've seen multiple reporters say he is.

I having trouble finding that. Link?

Paultz posted this yesterday but I've seen other tweets I need to find

@JPPelzman: Multiple sources have told me Chris Mullin is very interested in the St. John's job. #sjubb

Not sure if his interest is genuine or simply intrigue...but he responded to one reprter's inquiry by stating that wasn't interested NOW as he is busy getting ready for the Sacramento Kings draft...gave me the impression that there is some level of interest...I am sure, at some point in his post playing days he has thought about coaching...like anything else, he will start to consider all facets (travel, recruiting, family etc...) and then he will know whether this is something he really wants...

I recognize he has zero coaching experience but given the type of player he was (cerebral, quick decision maker and talented but not necessarily athletc) he has a chance to be a good coach...also think he will be smart enough to surround himself with the right assistants...

 

[austour]

STJ can't wait til the draft.

 

[paultzman]

I personally would like the mullin hire. Agree, do not want mas, and Jackson will never happen period.

Quite possibly you will be a happy guy then Jack.

 

[Section3]

STJ can't wait til the draft.

Agree but that is about the only way he could answer the question

 

[JohnnyFan]

I personally would like the mullin hire. Agree, do not want mas, and Jackson will never happen period.

I think Mullin would be an example of "winning the press conference" and may initially help with recruits.

But, how would it be possible for anyone to know if he can coach? I love Mullin, but I sure don't want to see more bad basketball while he learns the ropes. I also don't subscribe to the theory of "just hire a strong assistant". I want my head coach to be a coach.

 

[Jack Williams]

I personally would like the mullin hire. Agree, do not want mas, and Jackson will never happen period.

Quite possibly you will be a happy guy then Jack.

Nice! Would love mullin. A risk but i have a good feeling if he was coach he'd pan out well