Lafayette, Sat., Nov. 12, 6p, FS-2

Watching the game, it just never felt like Posh was engaged in the flow of the offense at any point. It's going to be an interesting dynamic how he co-exists with Curbello. But I was thinking throughout the game that CMA needs to find ways to have Posh more involved in the flow, especially if he's playing off the ball.
 
Two things. Soriano barely got any touches in the first half. Coach apparently addressed this half time and the first few possessions in the second half took care of that.
I was disappointed that other than Jones no one could beat their man off the dribble…. And they rarely tried. More importantly, it’s a win.
 
Wusu’s shooting really was the difference in the end. Took an even game and turned into a double digit lead and we never looked back. Hopefully Anderson remembers to draw plays up for Soriano on the blocks too as that was huge. Storr played good and looked steady in 2nd half too.

Not gonna get super pissed but the refusal to go into any zone defense when we’re getting torched by the 3-pointer is really baffling. Especially when our defenders keep switching off. High 2-3 zone maybe? Make them beat us inside, their shooting was the only thing keeping them in the game.
 
guinness77 said:
Wusu’s shooting really was the difference in the end. Took an even game and turned into a double digit lead and we never looked back. Hopefully Anderson remembers to draw plays up for Soriano on the blocks too as that was huge. Storr played good and looked steady in 2nd half too.

Not gonna get super pissed but the refusal to go into any zone defense when we’re getting torched by the 3-pointer is really baffling. Especially when our defenders keep switching off. High 2-3 zone maybe? Make them beat us inside, their shooting was the only thing keeping them in the game.
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You do realize most zones are designed to stop penetration in the paint, not 3 point shooting. Man-to-Man defense switching is still the most effective way to stop 3 point shooting. That's why at the NBA level you almost never see zone because every team has great shooters that will torch it.

There was some missed assignments tonight on the defensive end for sure. But give Lafayette credit their guys made several contested 3's. When guys make those there's nothing you can do.
 
MakingPlays said:
You do realize most zones are designed to stop penetration in the paint, not 3 point shooting. Man-to-Man defense switching is still the most effective way to stop 3 point shooting. That's why at the NBA level you almost never see zone because every team has great shooters that will torch it.

There was some missed assignments tonight on the defensive end for sure. But give Lafayette credit their guys made several contested 3's. When guys make those there's nothing you can do.
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But what good does it do with Soriano on the top of the key? He is not quick enough to cover guards.
 
MakingPlays said:
I've never understood the Wusu hate. He's been solid since day 1.

Him and Mathis take a lot of heat, both are good players, that show flashes of being very good players at times.
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We are biased from seeing him drive into the other team's center for a block five times a game
 
sjc88 said:
Greg, it’s early. Just staying positive. Many a year we have lost games just like this. Hopefully we see a progression as they play more together. Jones looks solid and Posh and Curbelo will annoy the opposition. That’s my positive takeaway. The competition is certainly going to get better.
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Look at the bright side, at least we aren't Louisville
 
MakingPlays said:
You do realize most zones are designed to stop penetration in the paint, not 3 point shooting. Man-to-Man defense switching is still the most effective way to stop 3 point shooting. That's why at the NBA level you almost never see zone because every team has great shooters that will torch it.

There was some missed assignments tonight on the defensive end for sure. But give Lafayette credit their guys made several contested 3's. When guys make those there's nothing you can do.
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Run through screen after screen is not a way to cover long distance shooting. I know Anderson wants to keep things at a breakneck pace but I’m sticking to my guns that a high 2-3 would cover the perimeter more than sufficiently. You’re gonna have 4 of your defenders on the outside and keep your big guy in the middle. I don’t see how that type of defense stops penetration, it keeps guys on the perimeter and you trust your big guy to clean up and your other defenders to box out.
Edit: I guess that would be more of an extended 2-3?
 
guinness77 said:
Run through screen after screen is not a way to cover long distance shooting. I know Anderson wants to keep things at a breakneck pace but I’m sticking to my guns that a high 2-3 would cover the perimeter more than sufficiently. You’re gonna have 4 of your defenders on the outside and keep your big guy in the middle. I don’t see how that type of defense stops penetration, it keeps guys on the perimeter and you trust your big guy to clean up and your other defenders to box out.
Edit: I guess that would be more of an extended 2-3?
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You’re both right. Typically man with the ability to switch would limit looks from 3. But I think our woes brought on by Soriano often times being the man left for dead on the perimeter could be helped by some zone like you mention.
 
MakingPlays said:
You do realize most zones are designed to stop penetration in the paint, not 3 point shooting. Man-to-Man defense switching is still the most effective way to stop 3 point shooting. That's why at the NBA level you almost never see zone because every team has great shooters that will torch it.

There was some missed assignments tonight on the defensive end for sure. But give Lafayette credit their guys made several contested 3's. When guys make those there's nothing you can do.
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I thought that “By Rule,” Zone Defense in the NBA is not allowed.
 
Rhythm said:
But what good does it do with Soriano on the top of the key? He is not quick enough to cover guards.
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That's why he was taken out and didn't play much in the first half. I posted in the thread, he's useless unless he's killing them on the offensive end, which is what he did in the 2nd half, which justified him staying on the court more in the 2nd half. That's what Soriano has to do against teams that like to play small ball.

Edit: This also shows why centers like Soriano, big back to the basket guys that aren't really quick, are nearly extinct in the NBA. If you're a big and your not quick enough to switch at least 3-5 on defense or if you can't stretch the floor with shooting on offense to even it out, you can't play in today's NBA. There's no way you can keep up. That's why 7'6 Taco Fall is over playing in China now.
 
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Knight said:
I thought that “By Rule,” Zone Defense in the NBA is not allowed.
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Zone defenses are allowed in the NBA for almost 20 years now. They are rarely used though. I can probably count on my hands how many times I've seen it used and I watch the NBA games every day during basketball season.
 
guinness77 said:
Run through screen after screen is not a way to cover long distance shooting. I know Anderson wants to keep things at a breakneck pace but I’m sticking to my guns that a high 2-3 would cover the perimeter more than sufficiently. You’re gonna have 4 of your defenders on the outside and keep your big guy in the middle. I don’t see how that type of defense stops penetration, it keeps guys on the perimeter and you trust your big guy to clean up and your other defenders to box out.
Edit: I guess that would be more of an extended 2-3?
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You don't have to take my word for it. Watch the highest level of basketball in the NBA and see what defense they play against the Golden State Warriors, which has the best 3 point shooting back court of all time. You will NEVER see a 2-3 zone used against them, unless a team is intentionally tanking. Steph Curry would average 60 PPG if teams played a 2-3 zone against them.
 
MakingPlays said:
You don't have to take my word for it. Watch the highest level of basketball in the NBA and see what defense they play against the Golden State Warriors, which has the best 3 point shooting back court of all time. You will NEVER see a 2-3 zone used against them, unless a team is intentionally tanking. Steph Curry would average 60 PPG if teams played a 2-3 zone against them.
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I mean, I get what you’re saying, I’m just saying if man isn’t working, which it clearly wasn’t, you can’t just keep doing the same thing and just wait/hope for them to start missing shots. Just because you’re in a zone doesn’t mean you can’t press the perimeter players which is what I was kinda getting at. It doesn’t mean just staying 3-5 feet within the zone you’re supposed to cover.

Let’s face the facts, no one plays any defense in the NBA anymore which is precisely why I haven’t watched it in 10-15 years.
 
guinness77 said:
I mean, I get what you’re saying, I’m just saying if man isn’t working, which it clearly wasn’t, you can’t just keep doing the same thing and just wait/hope for them to start missing shots. Just because you’re in a zone doesn’t mean you can’t press the perimeter players which is what I was kinda getting at. It doesn’t mean just staying 3-5 feet within the zone you’re supposed to cover.

Let’s face the facts, no one plays any defense in the NBA anymore which is precisely why I haven’t watched it in 10-15 years.
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We'll have to agree to disagree. CMA pulled Soriano out and went with with a small quicker lineup on defense to try to stop the 3's, that's about all you can do. A 2-3 zone is not going to help stop 3 point shooting, it'll actually help the offensive team.

And if you haven't watched the NBA in 15 years, I'm not sure how you can comment on the level of play. There's some great defenders in the NBA, the thing is, once you reach a certain level good offense is going to always beat out good defense. The game is designed for the offensive players to have the advantage, because nobody wants to watch basketball games where one team holds the ball for 5 minutes setting up a good shot and you sit for 2 hours and the final score is 20-18. That's why shot clocks, 3 point lines, freedom of movement, and all these other rules were added to get more scoring and enhance the viewing experience for the audience.
 
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