Keita Injury

[quote="Anthony Mattia" post=302156]They keep saying "knee surgery" but has anyone heard what type of knee surgery. I know it was a scoped surgery, but was it just a clean out or did something get repaired? Only repair I know that could come back that quickly would be a very small meniscus tear.[/quote]

I personally haven’t seen how the injury happened, but that timeline wouldn’t line up with a meniscal repair. A meniscectomy (removal of the mensiscus) would make more sense in this case.
 
[quote="SJU14" post=302160]
I personally haven’t seen how the injury happened, but that timeline wouldn’t line up with a meniscal repair. A meniscectomy (removal of the mensiscus) would make more sense in this case.[/quote]

I think it was two possessions before they took him out. On defense you can see him get bumped and his knee knocks the floor but he didn't go all the way down. He hobbles a little but it didn't seem major. But I wonder if it wasn't bothering him before and maybe contributed to him disappearing in the first game.
 
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[quote="Paul Massell" post=302161][quote="SJU14" post=302160]
I personally haven’t seen how the injury happened, but that timeline wouldn’t line up with a meniscal repair. A meniscectomy (removal of the mensiscus) would make more sense in this case.[/quote]

I think it was two possessions before they took him out. On defense you can see him get bumped and his knee knocks the floor but he didn't go all the way down. He hobbles a little but it didn't seem major. But I wonder if it wasn't bothering him before and maybe contributed to him disappearing in the first game.[/quote]

Having torn one meniscus and had it repaired and walking around now with a partially torn other one, the injury itself can be a gradual one. You can have a very slight tear, or even a series of them. The meniscus is essentially like a piece of cellophane between two bones, and allows for the bones to smoothly bend sliding over the meniscus. When torn, the jagged edges can get caught and pain and inflammation results. Sometimes its temporary as the jagged piece slides out of the way, but at some point the tear can become continually disruptive and painful, necessitating surgery.

I was trained to be on crutches for a few days, but walked out of the hospital same day on my own and went to the gym the next morning and biked 8 miles. I visited the surgeon two days after surgery and he was surprised i had exercised so quickly (as I thought I was told to do). I went to PT 3 times a week and alternated that with the gym, and recovered full flexibility and full strength.

An athlete like Keita will make a 100% recovery, but may be prone to these types of injuries depending on his physiology.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=302162][quote="Paul Massell" post=302161][quote="SJU14" post=302160]
I personally haven’t seen how the injury happened, but that timeline wouldn’t line up with a meniscal repair. A meniscectomy (removal of the mensiscus) would make more sense in this case.[/quote]

I think it was two possessions before they took him out. On defense you can see him get bumped and his knee knocks the floor but he didn't go all the way down. He hobbles a little but it didn't seem major. But I wonder if it wasn't bothering him before and maybe contributed to him disappearing in the first game.[/quote]

Having torn one meniscus and had it repaired and walking around now with a partially torn other one, the injury itself can be a gradual one. You can have a very slight tear, or even a series of them. The meniscus is essentially like a piece of cellophane between two bones, and allows for the bones to smoothly bend sliding over the meniscus. When torn, the jagged edges can get caught and pain and inflammation results. Sometimes its temporary as the jagged piece slides out of the way, but at some point the tear can become continually disruptive and painful, necessitating surgery.

I was trained to be on crutches for a few days, but walked out of the hospital same day on my own and went to the gym the next morning and biked 8 miles. I visited the surgeon two days after surgery and he was surprised i had exercised so quickly (as I thought I was told to do). I went to PT 3 times a week and alternated that with the gym, and recovered full flexibility and full strength.

An athlete like Keita will make a 100% recovery, but may be prone to these types of injuries depending on his physiology.[/quote]

Good explanation of the meniscus physiology. I'm guessing Keita will be going through a similar rehabilitation program with a return to full sporting activities and getting back in shape taking those 4-6 weeks. If this is the surgery he had, he should be full go once he returns (I'm a PT, btw).
 
[quote="SJU14" post=302168][quote="Beast of the East" post=302162][quote="Paul Massell" post=302161][quote="SJU14" post=302160]
I personally haven’t seen how the injury happened, but that timeline wouldn’t line up with a meniscal repair. A meniscectomy (removal of the mensiscus) would make more sense in this case.[/quote]

I think it was two possessions before they took him out. On defense you can see him get bumped and his knee knocks the floor but he didn't go all the way down. He hobbles a little but it didn't seem major. But I wonder if it wasn't bothering him before and maybe contributed to him disappearing in the first game.[/quote]

Having torn one meniscus and had it repaired and walking around now with a partially torn other one, the injury itself can be a gradual one. You can have a very slight tear, or even a series of them. The meniscus is essentially like a piece of cellophane between two bones, and allows for the bones to smoothly bend sliding over the meniscus. When torn, the jagged edges can get caught and pain and inflammation results. Sometimes its temporary as the jagged piece slides out of the way, but at some point the tear can become continually disruptive and painful, necessitating surgery.

I was trained to be on crutches for a few days, but walked out of the hospital same day on my own and went to the gym the next morning and biked 8 miles. I visited the surgeon two days after surgery and he was surprised i had exercised so quickly (as I thought I was told to do). I went to PT 3 times a week and alternated that with the gym, and recovered full flexibility and full strength.

An athlete like Keita will make a 100% recovery, but may be prone to these types of injuries depending on his physiology.[/quote]

Good explanation of the meniscus physiology. I'm guessing Keita will be going through a similar rehabilitation program with a return to full sporting activities and getting back in shape taking those 4-6 weeks. If this is the surgery he had, he should be full go once he returns (I'm a PT, btw).[/quote]

Great career! Very tough to get into PT school right now.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=302171][quote="SJU14" post=302168][quote="Beast of the East" post=302162][quote="Paul Massell" post=302161][quote="SJU14" post=302160]
I personally haven’t seen how the injury happened, but that timeline wouldn’t line up with a meniscal repair. A meniscectomy (removal of the mensiscus) would make more sense in this case.[/quote]

I think it was two possessions before they took him out. On defense you can see him get bumped and his knee knocks the floor but he didn't go all the way down. He hobbles a little but it didn't seem major. But I wonder if it wasn't bothering him before and maybe contributed to him disappearing in the first game.[/quote]

Having torn one meniscus and had it repaired and walking around now with a partially torn other one, the injury itself can be a gradual one. You can have a very slight tear, or even a series of them. The meniscus is essentially like a piece of cellophane between two bones, and allows for the bones to smoothly bend sliding over the meniscus. When torn, the jagged edges can get caught and pain and inflammation results. Sometimes its temporary as the jagged piece slides out of the way, but at some point the tear can become continually disruptive and painful, necessitating surgery.

I was trained to be on crutches for a few days, but walked out of the hospital same day on my own and went to the gym the next morning and biked 8 miles. I visited the surgeon two days after surgery and he was surprised i had exercised so quickly (as I thought I was told to do). I went to PT 3 times a week and alternated that with the gym, and recovered full flexibility and full strength.

An athlete like Keita will make a 100% recovery, but may be prone to these types of injuries depending on his physiology.[/quote]

Good explanation of the meniscus physiology. I'm guessing Keita will be going through a similar rehabilitation program with a return to full sporting activities and getting back in shape taking those 4-6 weeks. If this is the surgery he had, he should be full go once he returns (I'm a PT, btw).[/quote]

Great career! Very tough to get into PT school right now.[/quote]

Yes it is. Gotta thank that St John’s education :)
 
[quote="SJU14" post=302176][quote="Beast of the East" post=302171][quote="SJU14" post=302168][quote="Beast of the East" post=302162][quote="Paul Massell" post=302161][quote="SJU14" post=302160]
I personally haven’t seen how the injury happened, but that timeline wouldn’t line up with a meniscal repair. A meniscectomy (removal of the mensiscus) would make more sense in this case.[/quote]

I think it was two possessions before they took him out. On defense you can see him get bumped and his knee knocks the floor but he didn't go all the way down. He hobbles a little but it didn't seem major. But I wonder if it wasn't bothering him before and maybe contributed to him disappearing in the first game.[/quote]

Having torn one meniscus and had it repaired and walking around now with a partially torn other one, the injury itself can be a gradual one. You can have a very slight tear, or even a series of them. The meniscus is essentially like a piece of cellophane between two bones, and allows for the bones to smoothly bend sliding over the meniscus. When torn, the jagged edges can get caught and pain and inflammation results. Sometimes its temporary as the jagged piece slides out of the way, but at some point the tear can become continually disruptive and painful, necessitating surgery.

I was trained to be on crutches for a few days, but walked out of the hospital same day on my own and went to the gym the next morning and biked 8 miles. I visited the surgeon two days after surgery and he was surprised i had exercised so quickly (as I thought I was told to do). I went to PT 3 times a week and alternated that with the gym, and recovered full flexibility and full strength.

An athlete like Keita will make a 100% recovery, but may be prone to these types of injuries depending on his physiology.[/quote]

Good explanation of the meniscus physiology. I'm guessing Keita will be going through a similar rehabilitation program with a return to full sporting activities and getting back in shape taking those 4-6 weeks. If this is the surgery he had, he should be full go once he returns (I'm a PT, btw).[/quote]

Great career! Very tough to get into PT school right now.[/quote]

Yes it is. Gotta thank that St John’s education :)[/quote]

All of us should!
 
@JonRothstein

The two teams who advanced today --- Virginia Tech and St. Joe's --- both operated without a true low post player. Positionless basketball is here to stay. Get in at the ground floor.
 
[quote="cappy105" post=302184]Until you face Zion and Duke. I hope this doesn't turn into another LoVett situation. Man, we are doomed[/quote]

Zion isn’t really a big man though. Big men can’t handle zion’s athleticism. He’s really like a 385lb small forward. He’s only 6’7” but a bionic athlete.
 
The injury is a bummer but good teams find ways to get through losing one starter for 4-6 weeks. If we're going to be dancing this year, then this shouldn't be what prevents that from happening. Wishing Keita a speedy recovery.
 
SJU61982 wrote: JonRothstein

The two teams who advanced today --- Virginia Tech and St. Joe's --- both operated without a true low post player. Positionless basketball is here to stay. Get in at the ground floor.

Hate to say it, but Rothstein is dispensing fake news. Kenny Blackshear who started for VT and scored 18 points with 7 rebounds is 6'10' and 250 lbs. Whether he likes to play outside or not, he is obviously a big when it comes to defending other bigs.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=302182]@JonRothstein

The two teams who advanced today --- Virginia Tech and St. Joe's --- both operated without a true low post player. Positionless basketball is here to stay. Get in at the ground floor.[/quote]

There's a difference between having no low post player and having no height. St Joe's starts two guys 6'9" or bigger with another on the bench. Va Tech's roster make up is very similar to St Johns, if smaller. Their one big is pretty accomplished though.

Oh and both teams have really good to great head coaches.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=302182]@JonRothstein

The two teams who advanced today --- Virginia Tech and St. Joe's --- both operated without a true low post player. Positionless basketball is here to stay. Get in at the ground floor.[/quote]

It's been happening at the NBA level for many years and has been slowly trickling into college ball as well.
 
[quote="Room112" post=302208][quote="SJU61982" post=302182]@JonRothstein

The two teams who advanced today --- Virginia Tech and St. Joe's --- both operated without a true low post player. Positionless basketball is here to stay. Get in at the ground floor.[/quote]

It's been happening at the NBA level for many years and has been slowly trickling into college ball as well.[/quote]

Well ladies that doesn't make any difference in St. John's case of the missing big man. We are left with a 6'7 small forward who plays 20 feet from the basket and, according to Mullin, a non-serviceable freshman 6'9 of wasted height.
Sure it's been happening in the NBA but an NBA front line is usually 6'10, 6'9 and 6'8.
 
[quote="panther2" post=302221][quote="Paultzman" post=302219]Zach B piece on Marv holding down fort on interior;
https://nypost.com/2018/11/15/st-johns-big-man-plan-just-keeps-getting-smaller/[/quote]

Despite Keita’s injury and other disappointments.......
We are SOOO fortunate to have Clarke, Simon, Ponds, Figueroa and Heron on our team! Their synergy, talent and heart could still take us onto a successful season. I hope so and I absolutely wish each of them the best!!!
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=302228][quote="Paultzman" post=302219]Zach B piece on Marv holding down fort on interior;
https://nypost.com/2018/11/15/st-johns-big-man-plan-just-keeps-getting-smaller/[/quote]

It all sounds good but Marvin tends to collect fouls guarding bigger players. Who comes in when Marvin sits? Bryan Trimble? Geez Louise![/quote]
Roberts would have to despite being so raw. Not big minutes, but I suspect if teams attack us in post with Marv on the bench, CM will have to throw Roberts in fray. Obviously not ideal, but the choices are limited. I too rue absence of a solid big to pinch hit for Keita, but all the harping in the world won’t change things. If this void hampers success, CM & staff have to take a hit, whatever that means. For now, going to war with this core of talented guys is worth pulling for.
 
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