Keita Injury

[quote="Beast of the East" post=301816][quote="Marillac" post=301814][quote="Mike Zaun" post=301744]If Keita has a lingering injury that affects his play and ability to stay on the court, our fish is cooked. But then again, that's what happens when you don't go all out trying to get bigs here. You play with fire having 1 real big man. You can't tell me we wouldn't be able to lure mid major or D2 bigs to come with some serious effort. Feelers are put out all the time even to players who are currently on teams. So don't want to hear "there weren't many available on the transfer list".[/quote]

None of our best lineups include Keita. Let's not get carried away. It'd be nice to have him to give 15-20 minutes. That's it.[/quote]

All I can tell you that in a small group, both St. Jean and Mullin separately called Keita, "a beast", implying off the boards, on defense, with an ability to post. I would imagine that given that description of watching and working with him over a prolonged period of time, once he gets untracked there are reasonably high hopes for what he will contribute ultimately. While their expectation is high, I think they also project that he also needs to develop.[/quote]

So far all I have seen him do is him foul a bunch of guys and get hurt. Not as worried about Keita's health as most of you are.
 
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We are 8 deep, and that's assuming Dixon can defend at this level and/or staff can hide him to allow his offense to play up and/or get situational defense out of Williams.

That Keita is our only true big matters but probably not as much as the fact that he is likely the 6th guy on the depth chart in terms of anticipated production behind Ponds, Heron, Simon, Clark, and Figgy in some order. We likely don't have the depth for there to be any kind of extended injuries from any of these guys. Thankfully it sounds like that is not the case with Keita currently.

Related really like what we've seen from Trimble so far. He's bringing the big guard presence that we need thus far on both ends. If he can do that for 15+ mpg against better comp that's a big value add to this rotation.
 
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[quote="SJU1512" post=301832]We are 8 deep, and that's assuming Dixon can defend at this level and/or staff can hide him to allow his offense to play up and/or get situational defense out of Williams.

That Keita is our only true big matters but probably not as much as the fact that he is likely the 6th guy on the depth chart in terms of anticipated production behind Ponds, Heron, Simon, Clark, and Figgy in some order. We likely don't have the depth for there to be any kind of extended injuries from any of these guys. Thankfully it sounds like that is not the case with Keita currently.

Related really like what we've seen from Trimble so far. He's bringing the big guard presence that we need thus far on both ends. If he can do that for 15+ mpg against better comp that's a big value add to this rotation.[/quote]

Trimble listed as 6'3".
 
[quote="Knight" post=301835][quote="SJU1512" post=301832]We are 8 deep, and that's assuming Dixon can defend at this level and/or staff can hide him to allow his offense to play up and/or get situational defense out of Williams.

That Keita is our only true big matters but probably not as much as the fact that he is likely the 6th guy on the depth chart in terms of anticipated production behind Ponds, Heron, Simon, Clark, and Figgy in some order. We likely don't have the depth for there to be any kind of extended injuries from any of these guys. Thankfully it sounds like that is not the case with Keita currently.

Related really like what we've seen from Trimble so far. He's bringing the big guard presence that we need thus far on both ends. If he can do that for 15+ mpg against better comp that's a big value add to this rotation.[/quote]

Trimble listed as 6'3".[/quote]

Yup, but he's solid at 220 and has been playing big defensively, impacting the game that way. Which we need.
 
[quote="SJU1512" post=301832]We are 8 deep, and that's assuming Dixon can defend at this level and/or staff can hide him to allow his offense to play up and/or get situational defense out of Williams.

That Keita is our only true big matters but probably not as much as the fact that he is likely the 6th guy on the depth chart in terms of anticipated production behind Ponds, Heron, Simon, Clark, and Figgy in some order. We likely don't have the depth for there to be any kind of extended injuries from any of these guys. Thankfully it sounds like that is not the case with Keita currently.

Related really like what we've seen from Trimble so far. He's bringing the big guard presence that we need thus far on both ends. If he can do that for 15+ mpg against better comp that's a big value add to this rotation.[/quote]

Agree on all counts. Trimble is this season's Chudney Gray. That 220 lbs will come in handy covering some big wings and occasional PFs.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=301890][quote="SJU1512" post=301832]We are 8 deep, and that's assuming Dixon can defend at this level and/or staff can hide him to allow his offense to play up and/or get situational defense out of Williams.

That Keita is our only true big matters but probably not as much as the fact that he is likely the 6th guy on the depth chart in terms of anticipated production behind Ponds, Heron, Simon, Clark, and Figgy in some order. We likely don't have the depth for there to be any kind of extended injuries from any of these guys. Thankfully it sounds like that is not the case with Keita currently.

Related really like what we've seen from Trimble so far. He's bringing the big guard presence that we need thus far on both ends. If he can do that for 15+ mpg against better comp that's a big value add to this rotation.[/quote]

Agree on all counts. Trimble is this season's Chudney Gray. That 220 lbs will come in handy covering some big wings and occasional PFs.[/quote]
Yup, much better defending on the ball, quicker after getting in better shape. Good to have s physical guard off bench.
 
I'm not yet sold on Trimble. I'll hold off judging until we've played some more games. I just have not seen what some others have observed.
 
Isn't this what we got Marcellus for?

"Agree on all counts. Trimble is this season's Chudney Gray. That 220 lbs will come in handy covering some big wings and occasional PFs."
 
I didn't want Trimble in the game and wasn't expecting him to offer any value this season. Tbh I didn't notice his defense (I wasn't paying close attention), but am glad to see he contributed in a unique way and Mullin/others took notice.
 
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[quote="Adam" post=301907]I didn't want Trimble in the game and wasn't expecting him to offer any value this season. Tbh I didn't notice his defense (I wasn't paying close attention), but am glad to see he contributed in a unique way and Mullin/others took notice.[/quote]

Trimble's D stood out in comparison top Ponds and Dixon's D
 
[quote="we are sju" post=301909][quote="Adam" post=301907]I didn't want Trimble in the game and wasn't expecting him to offer any value this season. Tbh I didn't notice his defense (I wasn't paying close attention), but am glad to see he contributed in a unique way and Mullin/others took notice.[/quote]

Trimble's D stood out in comparison top Ponds and Dixon's D[/quote]

I honestly didn’t notice Dixon’s lack of D but the amount of times you’ve brought it up it must have been bad.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=301911][quote="we are sju" post=301909][quote="Adam" post=301907]I didn't want Trimble in the game and wasn't expecting him to offer any value this season. Tbh I didn't notice his defense (I wasn't paying close attention), but am glad to see he contributed in a unique way and Mullin/others took notice.[/quote]

Trimble's D stood out in comparison top Ponds and Dixon's D[/quote]

I honestly didn’t notice Dixon’s lack of D but the amount of times you’ve brought it up it must have been bad.[/quote]

Didn't watch game?
He literally didn't try. As someone pointed out was so bad that Mullin pulled him aside at TO and he was never heard from again. Honestly he was mostly responsible for what was a 7 point lead becoming a deficit.
I choose offense over defense every time. If a guy is a good offensive player like say Ponds I overlook defensive issues. Dixon was playing Carmelo Anthony lack of any effort D. If you did not notice not sure what you were watching. It was sole reason Trimble came in.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=301912][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=301911][quote="we are sju" post=301909][quote="Adam" post=301907]I didn't want Trimble in the game and wasn't expecting him to offer any value this season. Tbh I didn't notice his defense (I wasn't paying close attention), but am glad to see he contributed in a unique way and Mullin/others took notice.[/quote]

Trimble's D stood out in comparison top Ponds and Dixon's D[/quote]

I honestly didn’t notice Dixon’s lack of D but the amount of times you’ve brought it up it must have been bad.[/quote]

Didn't watch game?
He literally didn't try. As someone pointed out was so bad that Mullin pulled him aside at TO and he was never heard from again. Honestly he was mostly responsible for what was a 7 point lead becoming a deficit.
I choose offense over defense every time. If a guy is a good offensive player like say Ponds I overlook defensive issues. Dixon was playing Carmelo Anthony lack of any effort D. If you did not notice not sure what you were watching. It was sole reason Trimble came in.[/quote]

No I watched the whole game but defensively was mostly focused on us trying to guard the interior and Trimble really bringing it in the second half stood out. I wasn’t saying you were wrong, I didn’t think Dixon played well just aside from back to back offensive rebounds I don’t remember seeing him at all. So youre saying it wasn’t even skill it was effort?
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=301913][quote="we are sju" post=301912][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=301911][quote="we are sju" post=301909][quote="Adam" post=301907]I didn't want Trimble in the game and wasn't expecting him to offer any value this season. Tbh I didn't notice his defense (I wasn't paying close attention), but am glad to see he contributed in a unique way and Mullin/others took notice.[/quote]

Trimble's D stood out in comparison top Ponds and Dixon's D[/quote]

I honestly didn’t notice Dixon’s lack of D but the amount of times you’ve brought it up it must have been bad.[/quote]

Didn't watch game?
He literally didn't try. As someone pointed out was so bad that Mullin pulled him aside at TO and he was never heard from again. Honestly he was mostly responsible for what was a 7 point lead becoming a deficit.
I choose offense over defense every time. If a guy is a good offensive player like say Ponds I overlook defensive issues. Dixon was playing Carmelo Anthony lack of any effort D. If you did not notice not sure what you were watching. It was sole reason Trimble came in.[/quote]

No I watched the whole game but defensively was mostly focused on us trying to guard the interior and Trimble really bringing it in the second half stood out. I wasn’t saying you were wrong, I didn’t think Dixon played well just aside from back to back offensive rebounds I don’t remember seeing him at all. So youre saying it wasn’t even skill it was effort?[/quote]

You like to read back my posts from time to time to prove me wrong. How many times have I really railed against someone's defense. Ponds, Simon and Ahmed were terrible closing out on shooters last year and I mentioned it. Ponds also has weird habit of closing out with his hands down. All three of those guys play hard I think it was more lack of awareness? They get caught looking around. Not sure. Haven't seen enough of Dixon but it was concentrated on a 4 minute time in a game but the optics were really bad.
I am weird I sometimes focus on one player for stretches, especially if something jumps out at me. It looked like lack of effort and it was annoying.
Friday new game and hopefully was one time deal.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=301914][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=301913][quote="we are sju" post=301912][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=301911][quote="we are sju" post=301909][quote="Adam" post=301907]I didn't want Trimble in the game and wasn't expecting him to offer any value this season. Tbh I didn't notice his defense (I wasn't paying close attention), but am glad to see he contributed in a unique way and Mullin/others took notice.[/quote]

Trimble's D stood out in comparison top Ponds and Dixon's D[/quote]

I honestly didn’t notice Dixon’s lack of D but the amount of times you’ve brought it up it must have been bad.[/quote]

Didn't watch game?
He literally didn't try. As someone pointed out was so bad that Mullin pulled him aside at TO and he was never heard from again. Honestly he was mostly responsible for what was a 7 point lead becoming a deficit.
I choose offense over defense every time. If a guy is a good offensive player like say Ponds I overlook defensive issues. Dixon was playing Carmelo Anthony lack of any effort D. If you did not notice not sure what you were watching. It was sole reason Trimble came in.[/quote]

No I watched the whole game but defensively was mostly focused on us trying to guard the interior and Trimble really bringing it in the second half stood out. I wasn’t saying you were wrong, I didn’t think Dixon played well just aside from back to back offensive rebounds I don’t remember seeing him at all. So youre saying it wasn’t even skill it was effort?[/quote]

You like to read back my posts from time to time to prove me wrong. How many times have I really railed against someone's defense. Ponds, Simon and Ahmed were terrible closing out on shooters last year and I mentioned it. Ponds also has weird habit of closing out with his hands down. All three of those guys play hard I think it was more lack of awareness? They get caught looking around. Not sure. Haven't seen enough of Dixon but it was concentrated on a 4 minute time in a game but the optics were really bad.
I am weird I sometimes focus on one player for stretches, especially if something jumps out at me. It looked like lack of effort and it was annoying.
Friday new game and hopefully was one time deal.[/quote]

Take it as a compliment. Like the coach that is constantly getting on your case, you may think hes got it out for you but you realize the real problem is when he stops getting on your case at all. But seriously I didnt see it and the way you have described it I was surprised. Wasnt meant to be snarky. If I wanted to do that I would have asked you about the press we will never use. But I am not trying to be snarky.
 
I think we have really good talent this year. I think we can have a successful season. We do have some flaws. Some of which there is nothing we can do about at this point. The lack of a decent big with any size being the most glaring example.
We are going to have some match ups against size that are going to be an issue no matter what we do. After 4 years we are still not sure our coach can actually coach but some of the defensive stuff is just hustle and awareness.. Can easily see our season derailed by something as correctable as simply identifying shooters and closing out properly.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=301915][quote="we are sju" post=301914][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=301913][quote="we are sju" post=301912][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=301911][quote="we are sju" post=301909][quote="Adam" post=301907]I didn't want Trimble in the game and wasn't expecting him to offer any value this season. Tbh I didn't notice his defense (I wasn't paying close attention), but am glad to see he contributed in a unique way and Mullin/others took notice.[/quote]

Trimble's D stood out in comparison top Ponds and Dixon's D[/quote]

I honestly didn’t notice Dixon’s lack of D but the amount of times you’ve brought it up it must have been bad.[/quote]

Didn't watch game?
He literally didn't try. As someone pointed out was so bad that Mullin pulled him aside at TO and he was never heard from again. Honestly he was mostly responsible for what was a 7 point lead becoming a deficit.
I choose offense over defense every time. If a guy is a good offensive player like say Ponds I overlook defensive issues. Dixon was playing Carmelo Anthony lack of any effort D. If you did not notice not sure what you were watching. It was sole reason Trimble came in.[/quote]

No I watched the whole game but defensively was mostly focused on us trying to guard the interior and Trimble really bringing it in the second half stood out. I wasn’t saying you were wrong, I didn’t think Dixon played well just aside from back to back offensive rebounds I don’t remember seeing him at all. So youre saying it wasn’t even skill it was effort?[/quote]

You like to read back my posts from time to time to prove me wrong. How many times have I really railed against someone's defense. Ponds, Simon and Ahmed were terrible closing out on shooters last year and I mentioned it. Ponds also has weird habit of closing out with his hands down. All three of those guys play hard I think it was more lack of awareness? They get caught looking around. Not sure. Haven't seen enough of Dixon but it was concentrated on a 4 minute time in a game but the optics were really bad.
I am weird I sometimes focus on one player for stretches, especially if something jumps out at me. It looked like lack of effort and it was annoying.
Friday new game and hopefully was one time deal.[/quote]

Take it as a compliment. Like the coach that is constantly getting on your case, you may think hes got it out for you but you realize the real problem is when he stops getting on your case at all. But seriously I didnt see it and the way you have described it I was surprised. Wasnt meant to be snarky. If I wanted to do that I would have asked you about the press we will never use. But I am not trying to be snarky.[/quote]

That ball pressure thing our guards do is basically token pressure. What some people on here were advocating was, to me anyway what Gtown and Pitino teams used to do. People even referenced 40 minutes of hell. Playing 8 guys with no shotblocking it is tough to play that way.
 
[quote="Delaware" post=301917]Geez, I thought there was an update on the injury somewhere in here. No luck.[/quote]

Not to be a jerk but the guy's scoring average is the same as Senator Bluto Blutarsky's grade average his 6th year at Faber College. His 2.0 Rebounds a game would keep him off academic probation however.
I guess my point is Dixon's defense seems much more relevant than Keita's injury. In my humble opinion.
 
[quote="Delaware" post=301917]Geez, I thought there was an update on the injury somewhere in here. No luck.[/quote]

Keita is hurt, becasue of that we need our guards to play even better defense.

WASJU you've been spot on about the rotation/minutes that others (not me!) were trying to stretch. It is hard to press like crazy with your best players getting upwards of 30 min but I would disagree and say we've seen a lot more than just token pressure.
 
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