Kadary

So, last year just about anyone on this site would have taken Kadary on our team, but now some on here assess him as too slow, can’t shoot, can’t dribble, can’t pass, etc. Hmmmm…same player guys? First team all BE, but not good enough for us? Let’s take a breath.

Maybe he’s having a hard time adjusting early on to Pitino’s system. Sound familiar? He did have an awful game today and has struggled at times so far. And it’s baffling that he’s shooting half as well from the free throw line this year as last year. But I trust that he’ll get more and more comfortable and will return to his averages. Let’s cut the guy a break.

Yesterday we’re applauding the fans who supported Zuby in warmups vs UVA after that tough loss to Baylor, and now many on here are ripping Kadary and this team. I like the fanbase I saw yesterday a lot better. This team is good and will be fine, despite the awful collective shooting day we had today. I’m a fan of this team and root for them to succeed. That won’t change because we had one bad game.

Oh, and as for sitting Smith, yes that made no sense. Coach is human and made a mistake. He’ll adjust as he always does.
 
Jnaw17 said:
So, last year just about anyone on this site would have taken Kadary on our team, but now some on here assess him as too slow, can’t shoot, can’t dribble, can’t pass, etc. Hmmmm…same player guys? First team all BE, but not good enough for us? Let’s take a breath.

Maybe he’s having a hard time adjusting early on to Pitino’s system. Sound familiar? He did have an awful game today and has struggled at times so far. And it’s baffling that he’s shooting half as well from the free throw line this year as last year. But I trust that he’ll get more and more comfortable and will return to his averages. Let’s cut the guy a break.

Yesterday we’re applauding the fans who supported Zuby in warmups vs UVA after that tough loss to Baylor, and now many on here are ripping Kadary and this team. I like the fanbase I saw yesterday a lot better. This team is good and will be fine, despite the awful collective shooting day we had today. I’m a fan of this team and root for them to succeed. That won’t change because we had one bad game.

Oh, and as for sitting Smith, yes that made no sense. Coach is human and made a mistake. He’ll adjust as he always does.
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I appreciate your point but CRP had 13 minutes to adjust.
 
Jnaw17 said:
So, last year just about anyone on this site would have taken Kadary on our team, but now some on here assess him as too slow, can’t shoot, can’t dribble, can’t pass, etc. Hmmmm…same player guys? First team all BE, but not good enough for us? Let’s take a breath.

Maybe he’s having a hard time adjusting early on to Pitino’s system. Sound familiar? He did have an awful game today and has struggled at times so far. And it’s baffling that he’s shooting half as well from the free throw line this year as last year. But I trust that he’ll get more and more comfortable and will return to his averages. Let’s cut the guy a break.

Yesterday we’re applauding the fans who supported Zuby in warmups vs UVA after that tough loss to Baylor, and now many on here are ripping Kadary and this team. I like the fanbase I saw yesterday a lot better. This team is good and will be fine, despite the awful collective shooting day we had today. I’m a fan of this team and root for them to succeed. That won’t change because we had one bad game.

Oh, and as for sitting Smith, yes that made no sense. Coach is human and made a mistake. He’ll adjust as he always does.
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I think you will find more who questioned him especially after last years mid season antics with Seton Hall.
 
Jnaw17 said:
So, last year just about anyone on this site would have taken Kadary on our team, but now some on here assess him as too slow, can’t shoot, can’t dribble, can’t pass, etc. Hmmmm…same player guys? First team all BE, but not good enough for us? Let’s take a breath.

Maybe he’s having a hard time adjusting early on to Pitino’s system. Sound familiar? He did have an awful game today and has struggled at times so far. And it’s baffling that he’s shooting half as well from the free throw line this year as last year. But I trust that he’ll get more and more comfortable and will return to his averages. Let’s cut the guy a break.

Yesterday we’re applauding the fans who supported Zuby in warmups vs UVA after that tough loss to Baylor, and now many on here are ripping Kadary and this team. I like the fanbase I saw yesterday a lot better. This team is good and will be fine, despite the awful collective shooting day we had today. I’m a fan of this team and root for them to succeed. That won’t change because we had one bad game.

Oh, and as for sitting Smith, yes that made no sense. Coach is human and made a mistake. He’ll adjust as he always does.
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Yeah, so let’s turn this into a Kumbaya, Pollyanna site! How dare anyone talk about what they are seeing on the court. How can Richmond give any effort when he doesn’t understand the system? He’ll hustle once he understands the plays and gets in shape. Personally, I’ll say the team is good when they play that way.
And NO ONE is not rooting for the team. You are confusing honesty with dislike and they are two entirely different things. If you think the team is good and will be fine, no problem, that is your view and you are obviously entitled to it. But me, I have been watching this Groundhog Day for years, predictions of “this is the year, we are going to be great”, get off to a mediocre start and “don’t worry, we are really good, there’s no problem”, until reality sets in and it’s “just wait until next year”.
Now, is this year over, of course not, far from it. BUT, IMO, there is certainly no reason for blind optimism, other than blind optimism.
You want to know the voice we should all be listening to, the player at the podium after the game who had to admit, the other team “just wanted it more than us”. Seven games into the season, lack of effort and desire led to a loss against an inferior but hungrier team. Think about that and then think about the HOF coach who benched a player who made some mistakes but doesn’t lack for effort to play a player who looks for all the world like he doesn’t give a damn. And then defends it by throwing out BS about wanting more shooting.
 
The only thing I'll disagree is on Kadary not looking like he cares. I've said this about Kalkbrenner too. Watch him play and it looks like a guy who hates basketball and only plays because his parents made him because he was so tall.

That said, Richmond and Pitino need to have a sit-down.
 
RedStormNC said:
The only thing I'll disagree is on Kadary not looking like he cares. I've said this about Kalkbrenner too. Watch him play and it looks like a guy who hates basketball and only plays because his parents made him because he was so tall.

That said, Richmond and Pitino need to have a sit-down.
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I say he doesn’t look like he cares because he doesn’t give any effort on the “effort” plays, not because of his court demeanor or gait of play with the ball.
 
logen said:
Yeah, so let’s turn this into a Kumbaya, Pollyanna site! How dare anyone talk about what they are seeing on the court. How can Richmond give any effort when he doesn’t understand the system? He’ll hustle once he understands the plays and gets in shape. Personally, I’ll say the team is good when they play that way.
And NO ONE is not rooting for the team. You are confusing honesty with dislike and they are two entirely different things. If you think the team is good and will be fine, no problem, that is your view and you are obviously entitled to it. But me, I have been watching this Groundhog Day for years, predictions of “this is the year, we are going to be great”, get off to a mediocre start and “don’t worry, we are really good, there’s no problem”, until reality sets in and it’s “just wait until next year”.
Now, is this year over, of course not, far from it. BUT, IMO, there is certainly no reason for blind optimism, other than blind optimism.
You want to know the voice we should all be listening to, the player at the podium after the game who had to admit, the other team “just wanted it more than us”. Seven games into the season, lack of effort and desire led to a loss against an inferior but hungrier team. Think about that and then think about the HOF coach who benched a player who made some mistakes but doesn’t lack for effort to play a player who looks for all the world like he doesn’t give a damn. And then defends it by throwing out BS about wanting more shooting.
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Post of the day.
 
logen said:
Yeah, so let’s turn this into a Kumbaya, Pollyanna site! How dare anyone talk about what they are seeing on the court. How can Richmond give any effort when he doesn’t understand the system? He’ll hustle once he understands the plays and gets in shape. Personally, I’ll say the team is good when they play that way.
And NO ONE is not rooting for the team. You are confusing honesty with dislike and they are two entirely different things. If you think the team is good and will be fine, no problem, that is your view and you are obviously entitled to it. But me, I have been watching this Groundhog Day for years, predictions of “this is the year, we are going to be great”, get off to a mediocre start and “don’t worry, we are really good, there’s no problem”, until reality sets in and it’s “just wait until next year”.
Now, is this year over, of course not, far from it. BUT, IMO, there is certainly no reason for blind optimism, other than blind optimism.
You want to know the voice we should all be listening to, the player at the podium after the game who had to admit, the other team “just wanted it more than us”. Seven games into the season, lack of effort and desire led to a loss against an inferior but hungrier team. Think about that and then think about the HOF coach who benched a player who made some mistakes but doesn’t lack for effort to play a player who looks for all the world like he doesn’t give a damn. And then defends it by throwing out BS about wanting more shooting.
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Great post Logen
 
Would be interested to see if Pitino uses him more in a "booty ball" style a la Jalen Brunson and what Illinois did last year with Marcus Domask and what Wyoming did with Hunter Maldonado a few years ago. Basically have him back down his defender and run the offense around that.

He has the size and athleticism to bully smaller defenders and score through them or force help. If they put a bigger guy on him to counteract his back downs thats when he can face up and drive by them. He's certainly a good enough passer to be able to pass out of these too.

The only downside would be that this system works best when there are shooters on the floor around him which we don't have but I still think it could work with the personnel we have with a few wrinkles.

The couple times this year Kadary backed down his defender on the block he ended up getting good looks for himself. Wouldn't mind seeing this get implemented slowly going forward
 
Jnaw17 said:
This team is good and will be fine, despite the awful collective shooting day we had today. I’m a fan of this team and root for them to succeed. That won’t change because we had one bad game.
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Define fine. I define it as an Ncaa bid. Something we rarely achieve and I don't know when we'll achieve again. The problem in a nutshell. I'm also a fan of this team and root for them to succeed. As stated elsewhere, we didn't have one bad game. That would be fine. We've had one bad millenium.
 
carmineabbatiello said:
Define fine. I define it as an Ncaa bid. Something we rarely achieve and I don't know when we'll achieve again. The problem in a nutshell. I'm also a fan of this team and root for them to succeed. As stated elsewhere, we didn't have one bad game. That would be fine. We've had one bad millenium.
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Kadary is an outcome of NIL --He is a guy, according to his performance should not be playing the number of minutes he is getting but because he is being paid so much they feel he has to play. There will be more of this in the future. He needs to sit until he shows in practice he has cleaned up his deficiencies. Coach will figure it out
 
Jnaw17 said:
So, last year just about anyone on this site would have taken Kadary on our team, but now some on here assess him as too slow, can’t shoot, can’t dribble, can’t pass, etc. Hmmmm…same player guys? First team all BE, but not good enough for us? Let’s take a breath.

Maybe he’s having a hard time adjusting early on to Pitino’s system. Sound familiar? He did have an awful game today and has struggled at times so far. And it’s baffling that he’s shooting half as well from the free throw line this year as last year. But I trust that he’ll get more and more comfortable and will return to his averages. Let’s cut the guy a break.

Yesterday we’re applauding the fans who supported Zuby in warmups vs UVA after that tough loss to Baylor, and now many on here are ripping Kadary and this team. I like the fanbase I saw yesterday a lot better. This team is good and will be fine, despite the awful collective shooting day we had today. I’m a fan of this team and root for them to succeed. That won’t change because we had one bad game.

Oh, and as for sitting Smith, yes that made no sense. Coach is human and made a mistake. He’ll adjust as he always does.
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He made major mistakes that cost us the 2 games we lost. Let's not overlook that. He's getting paid to win.
paultzman said:
Great post Logen
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Beyond great. This site has certainly changed for the better. Appears the Pollyanna days have passed. We should hve come home 3-0. The fact we didn't is on coach. Let's see what this team looks like come conference play. Certainly threw a great opportunity away this weekend.
 
logen said:
Yeah, so let’s turn this into a Kumbaya, Pollyanna site! How dare anyone talk about what they are seeing on the court. How can Richmond give any effort when he doesn’t understand the system? He’ll hustle once he understands the plays and gets in shape. Personally, I’ll say the team is good when they play that way.
And NO ONE is not rooting for the team. You are confusing honesty with dislike and they are two entirely different things. If you think the team is good and will be fine, no problem, that is your view and you are obviously entitled to it. But me, I have been watching this Groundhog Day for years, predictions of “this is the year, we are going to be great”, get off to a mediocre start and “don’t worry, we are really good, there’s no problem”, until reality sets in and it’s “just wait until next year”.
Now, is this year over, of course not, far from it. BUT, IMO, there is certainly no reason for blind optimism, other than blind optimism.
You want to know the voice we should all be listening to, the player at the podium after the game who had to admit, the other team “just wanted it more than us”. Seven games into the season, lack of effort and desire led to a loss against an inferior but hungrier team. Think about that and then think about the HOF coach who benched a player who made some mistakes but doesn’t lack for effort to play a player who looks for all the world like he doesn’t give a damn. And then defends it by throwing out BS about wanting more shooting.
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I can see second guessing Anderson, Lavin, Mullin. But turning on a HOF coach because you think you know better even though you are not at practice, and don’t know what is going on, is nuts.
Your alleged lack of hustle is due to playing three games and 2 over times in 64 hours. Tired legs. Equals a step slow. Means missed jump shots. I was sitting courtside. To say these guys were not giving every effort is just plain untrue. And it does them a grave injustice.
It may not have been on tv, but I saw Richmond battling on boards and hitting the floor.
Whoever scheduled the Ga game did team a disservice. They did not even have time to practice on Atlantis court. Difficult optics. Ballroom ceiling lights. Court laid over ballroom tiles. A leak mid court from AC system in ceiling. Ga practiced on court for three days and played a full game on it. Little details make a difference.

Our press was very effective. You can’t press successfully unless every player is hustling. Ga had 24 turnovers. That does not happen without a team effort putting on intense pressure.
It’s early boys, let’s not start turning on our players. Let it play out. We will be fine.
 
Joedib said:
I can see second guessing Anderson, Lavin, Mullin. But turning on a HOF coach because you think you know better even though you are not at practice, and don’t know what is going on, is nuts.
Your alleged lack of hustle is due to playing three games and 2 over times in 64 hours. Tired legs. Equals a step slow. Means missed jump shots. I was sitting courtside. To say these guys were not giving every effort is just plain untrue. And it does them a grave injustice.
It may not have been on tv, but I saw Richmond battling on boards and hitting the floor.
Whoever scheduled the Ga game did team a disservice. They did not even have time to practice on Atlantis court. Difficult optics. Ballroom ceiling lights. Court laid over ballroom tiles. A leak mid court from AC system in ceiling. Ga practiced on court for three days and played a full game on it. Little details make a difference.

Our press was very effective. You can’t press successfully unless every player is hustling. Ga had 24 turnovers. That does not happen without a team effort putting on intense pressure.
It’s early boys, let’s not start turning on our players. Let it play out. We will be fine.
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I couldn’t care less about Pitino being in the HOF, as I posted before, I am commenting on his NOW, not his history. As for the rest, just excuses IMO.
 
Joedib said:
I can see second guessing Anderson, Lavin, Mullin. But turning on a HOF coach because you think you know better even though you are not at practice, and don’t know what is going on, is nuts.
Your alleged lack of hustle is due to playing three games and 2 over times in 64 hours. Tired legs. Equals a step slow. Means missed jump shots. I was sitting courtside. To say these guys were not giving every effort is just plain untrue. And it does them a grave injustice.
It may not have been on tv, but I saw Richmond battling on boards and hitting the floor.
Whoever scheduled the Ga game did team a disservice. They did not even have time to practice on Atlantis court. Difficult optics. Ballroom ceiling lights. Court laid over ballroom tiles. A leak mid court from AC system in ceiling. Ga practiced on court for three days and played a full game on it. Little details make a difference.

Our press was very effective. You can’t press successfully unless every player is hustling. Ga had 24 turnovers. That does not happen without a team effort putting on intense pressure.
It’s early boys, let’s not start turning on our players. Let it play out. We will be fine.
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i agree with everything you've said except about Kadary. his lack of hustle and grit has been evident since the first game. there's enough sample size (before bahamas) to know he's not a physical player. doesn't like to get dirty. doesn't dive for loose balls.

i'm confident his decision making will get better. but his lack of hustle or physicality is more of a DNA thing. not sure how much better that can get at this stage of his career.
 
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