Kadary

Larry Wright said:
Richmond actually scares the crap out of me. Even when playing well. In BET and if we make the NCAA tournament, threes, making free throws, defense and limiting turnovers are what wins these games. Those just happen to be the 4 things he struggles with.
He is a good though turnover prone passer and a strong guard physically. But he is not a great finisher and not a good foul shooter. He is my biggest concern in a tournament setting.
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dk423 said:
So I guess Kadary officially takes the mantle of the red.fans Daniss Jenkins award for the 2024-2025 season.
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I came around at end, didn’t really have a choice. He played hard and had talent, just felt as a point guard he didn’t do a good job of getting others involved particularly Dingle and Soriano. I also didn’t think he was suited for the Hatten, Hardy. Ponds role but that was on Pitino. In the end always played hard.
 
Larry Wright said:
He is not the same guy. Just like Dingle(who I liked) was not the same. Listen for all his flaws, as long as he puts in the effort he did last night I am ok with. Though don’t know how anyone was ok with his loose ball effort previously.
Btw Kadary shooting 85% at the line is a bigger mystery to me than the drone thing.
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That's the most recent sample of the guy's post-season work - from about 9 months ago. I'm pretty sure he's the same guy, it's just a work in progress. And I think it's progressing. I don't think anybody would complain about a tournament performance where he shoots 46% from the field, 44% from 3, 85% from the line, and puts up 14 PPG 9 RPG and 6 APG with a 3-1 A/TO ratio. Throw in 2.5 steals and a block per game. Go find me players who do that, and also play the point at 6'6", defend any position on the floor, and have no ego.
 
lawmanfan said:
I remain of the opinion that people misinterpret what they see as "lacksadaisical" play from Richmond. Agreed he is not the sort of player who you see gritting his teeth out there. But two things:

First, he is a player who is interested in one thing, and that's winning. It doesn't matter to him how many points he has or who gets the glory. if someone else has a better shot, he's getting them the ball. If asked to guard a center, he's guarding a center. So in the low-level games, with a new team and a bunch of new players, and in a new system, he sits back and facilitates for others as part of a developmental process. If you like ball-dominant, shoot-first, selfish players, or if you thought that he was going to be Shamorie Ponds, then I could get that you would not be happy with that. But IMHO it was to his credit, not detriment and I am sure the staff appreciated it as well.

Now that time of the season is over and last night he started to assert himself more and show what he can do - be unstoppable to the rim, hit the mid-range jumper, draw attention and create space and shots for others. The shot and finishing is still uncharacteristically off, it seems like someone tried to tweak his form to help with three-point shooting and did more harm than good or maybe he's still adjusting to it. But the guy is going to be a horse in league play and Pitino is wisely going to ride him as far as it can go.

Second, the speed Richmond plays at is intentional. He always winds up where he needs to be when he needs to be there. It's just that on offense he uses that speed and control to operate as something like a gravitational force - he pulls defenders where he wants them to be so he can drive or pass. Smith puts pressure on a defense by playing fast; Richmond does it by playing slow.

As Larry Wright said to me elsewhere, maybe I'm watching a different game. If you're looking for dunks, threes and highlight reel plays then Richmond is not your guy. But he is a guy who does a whole lot of things that make a team better, is tremendously productive, and his play will be a big key to team success this season.
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Donny Marshall said this exact thing on the broadcast last night, basically.

When I first watched him years ago, I didn't have the same perception I do now. I don't think the lack of emotion or seemingly "energy" at times is because the kid doesn't care. It's his personality. He never gets too high, and never gets too low.

He reminds me of a less athletic/not as strong version of Artest in how he can fill up a box score or even impact a game positively without it showing. And he has the same ugly outside shoot as Ron-Ron.

The only concern I'd have with him playing with Smith is situations in which his lack of outside shooting ability throws the spacing off and clogs driving lanes. Theoretically we can still make that work if Wilcher is going to make shots and if RJ and Smith are enough of a shooting threat. But to the extent that occurs, we always have the option of staggering KR/Smith being on the court together at least some minutes and add a Scott or someone else instead who can potentially stretch the floor (this could be Dunlap if he gets his shooting confidence/touch, perhaps Glover, etc).
 
dk423 said:
So I guess Kadary officially takes the mantle of the red.fans Daniss Jenkins award for the 2024-2025 season.
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It was between him and RJ and since RJ's BQ (bonehead quotient) is decreasing the Rorschach Test factor of Kadary for our fan base has given him the prize as most polarizing player.

Of course it goes without saying that Jenkins was not a fraction of the player that Kadary is (that was for you, Carmine) :ROFLMAO:
 
hardytime said:
Donny Marshall said this exact thing on the broadcast last night, basically.

When I first watched him years ago, I didn't have the same perception I do now. I don't think the lack of emotion or seemingly "energy" at times is because the kid doesn't care. It's his personality. He never gets too high, and never gets too low.

He reminds me of a less athletic/not as strong version of Artest in how he can fill up a box score or even impact a game positively without it showing. And he has the same ugly outside shoot as Ron-Ron.

The only concern I'd have with him playing with Smith is situations in which his lack of outside shooting ability throws the spacing off and clogs driving lanes. Theoretically we can still make that work if Wilcher is going to make shots and if RJ and Smith are enough of a shooting threat. But to the extent that occurs, we always have the option of staggering KR/Smith being on the court together at least some minutes and add a Scott or someone else instead who can potentially stretch the floor (this could be Dunlap if he gets his shooting confidence/touch, perhaps Glover, etc).
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I agree with both of you, and still think this free throw thing is a fluke (as well as the missed bunnies), so we'll be happy to have a certified closer at the end of games.

But one thing that has to be said about the Kadary/Smith thing is that this is a rich team's problem. We talk about it on the board like it's any other problem our prior teams have had, but both of those guys are probably be our best guards since Ponds (and he came with his own flaws....)
 
dk423 said:
I agree with both of you, and still think this free throw thing is a fluke (as well as the missed bunnies), so we'll be happy to have a certified closer at the end of games.

But one thing that has to be said about the Kadary/Smith thing is that this is a rich team's problem. We talk about it on the board like it's any other problem our prior teams have had, but both of those guys are probably be our best guards since Ponds (and he came with his own flaws....)
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I also think Sim benefits greatly playing w his mega experienced fellow guards. When Kadary finds his groove, when is the last time opponents had multiple SJ players to prepare for; the three guards, Zuby, RJ?

Yeah, three point shooting is not our strength, but give me solid guards, a skilled, more cerebral RJ and a tough interior budding star in Zuby and we can play w just about anyone imo. Bring that aggressive D we saw last night & good times await.
 
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lawmanfan said:
I remain of the opinion that people misinterpret what they see as "lacksadaisical" play from Richmond. Agreed he is not the sort of player who you see gritting his teeth out there. But two things:

First, he is a player who is interested in one thing, and that's winning. It doesn't matter to him how many points he has or who gets the glory. if someone else has a better shot, he's getting them the ball. If asked to guard a center, he's guarding a center. So in the low-level games, with a new team and a bunch of new players, and in a new system, he sits back and facilitates for others as part of a developmental process. If you like ball-dominant, shoot-first, selfish players, or if you thought that he was going to be Shamorie Ponds, then I could get that you would not be happy with that. But IMHO it was to his credit, not detriment and I am sure the staff appreciated it as well.

Now that time of the season is over and last night he started to assert himself more and show what he can do - be unstoppable to the rim, hit the mid-range jumper, draw attention and create space and shots for others. The shot and finishing is still uncharacteristically off, it seems like someone tried to tweak his form to help with three-point shooting and did more harm than good or maybe he's still adjusting to it. But the guy is going to be a horse in league play and Pitino is wisely going to ride him as far as it can go.

Second, the speed Richmond plays at is intentional. He always winds up where he needs to be when he needs to be there. It's just that on offense he uses that speed and control to operate as something like a gravitational force - he pulls defenders where he wants them to be so he can drive or pass. Smith puts pressure on a defense by playing fast; Richmond does it by playing slow.

As Larry Wright said to me elsewhere, maybe I'm watching a different game. If you're looking for dunks, threes and highlight reel plays then Richmond is not your guy. But he is a guy who does a whole lot of things that make a team better, is tremendously productive, and his play will be a big key to team success this season.
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I hope this is right. Me thinks a little bit of revisionist history from earlier in season. I just hope last night (and last year) is more indicative of what to expect going forward.
 
paultzman said:
I also think Sim benefits greatly playing w his mega experienced fellow guards. When Kadary finds his groove, when is the last time opponents had multiple SJ players to prepare for; the three guards, Zuby, RJ?

Yeah, three point shooting is not our strength, but give me solid guards, a skilled, more cerebral RJ and a tough interior budding star in Zuby and we can play w just about anyone imo. Bring that aggressive D we saw last night & good times await.
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I think Richmond will benefit Sim a lot. We need to hunt looks for Sim. Kadary serves up his assists on a platter. Smith should also get him some drive and kicks, although that hasn't happened as much as I expected thus far.

An inside-out look to Sim is one of the best shots we can get, and it has to happen more often.
 
Marillac2 said:
I think Richmond will benefit Sim a lot. We need to hunt looks for Sim. Kadary serves up his assists on a platter. Smith should also get him some drive and kicks, although that hasn't happened as much as I expected thus far.

An inside-out look to Sim is one of the best shots we can get, and it has to happen more often.
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Agreed.

Sophomore Sim still has to develop the shot creation portion of his game, though the last two games I’ve seen some strides there

But even if his shot creation isn’t all the way there yet, the kid is still a damn sniper. Getting him looks has to be a part of our offense, and Kadary being able to see over defenders and make effective skip passes/drive and dishes should be a focal point of our offense going forward. There were a few glimpses of it last night. Still not sure I’ve ever seen Sim miss when he gets to set his feet and shoot in the midrange. And his 3 ball ain’t bad either
 
There will be different stars every night and on here their stock will rise and fall with the same volatility of some tech stocks.

Comparing Khadary to Dingle is ridiculous. Khadary was the best player by far on a surprise 13-7 Seton Hall team and one of the best players in the league. Dingle was the same in the Ivy League and struggled to make the adjustment to the BE.

Just about every kid that gets trashed on here will rise again to be a darling, until he has a bad game.

For God's sake, let's just trust Rick on evaluating talent and coaching game situations.
 
paultzman said:
I also think Sim benefits greatly playing w his mega experienced fellow guards. When Kadary finds his groove, when is the last time opponents had multiple SJ players to prepare for; the three guards, Zuby, RJ?

Yeah, three point shooting is not our strength, but give me solid guards, a skilled, more cerebral RJ and a tough interior budding star in Zuby and we can play w just about anyone imo. Bring that aggressive D we saw last night & good times await.
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You had me until "cerebral." Let's not get TOO far out over our skis here.
 
hardytime said:
Donny Marshall said this exact thing on the broadcast last night, basically.

When I first watched him years ago, I didn't have the same perception I do now. I don't think the lack of emotion or seemingly "energy" at times is because the kid doesn't care. It's his personality. He never gets too high, and never gets too low.

He reminds me of a less athletic/not as strong version of Artest in how he can fill up a box score or even impact a game positively without it showing. And he has the same ugly outside shoot as Ron-Ron.

The only concern I'd have with him playing with Smith is situations in which his lack of outside shooting ability throws the spacing off and clogs driving lanes. Theoretically we can still make that work if Wilcher is going to make shots and if RJ and Smith are enough of a shooting threat. But to the extent that occurs, we always have the option of staggering KR/Smith being on the court together at least some minutes and add a Scott or someone else instead who can potentially stretch the floor (this could be Dunlap if he gets his shooting confidence/touch, perhaps Glover, etc).
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11 games in. The Dunlap ship is sinking. Can't afford him talking away valuable minutes without producing. Vince has to get minutes, just so Zuby can get some rest. Can't say the same for Dunlap.
 
Jack Williams said:
...But even if his shot creation isn’t all the way there yet, the kid is still a damn sniper.
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Sim's stroke is one of the most improved things about this year... I want him to shoot any Open 3 he has.... early in the shot clock, whatever, an "open" shot by him is one of our best weapons now.

He is taking over my assigned shooter role i had Dunlap penciled in for.... we are getting a two for 1 with Sim now- great development.
 
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