John Marinatto OUT as BE Commish

It's been a long time in coming IMO, a basketball only conference. The BE expanded to way too many schools, and with that, the Commish had to serve way too many masters. Will a BB only conference survive in today's climate? I think so especially since there are so many more channels/networks then there were in 1979 when the BE was formed.  
 
 A Boston consulting firm? No wonder we are in trouble. Do they work for the Red Sox too? lol
 
The key for BB schools, should they break off and form their own league, obviously would be to keep the Big East name and Madison Square Garden conference tournament.

The BB schools have great traditions but in order to remain top flight they have to commit a lot of money to compete with the football conferences.The BSC schools have tons of money to throw around for coach's salaries.

No two ways about it, Syracuse chancellor Nancy Cantor screwed the Big East and her own fans. No one in Syracuse is happy about leaving the Big East.

College athletics is broken on so many levels and there's no will or desire to fix it.

Very scary indeed. 
 
 At this point, we may have to split and it might not be and for us either. For one, I don't think anybody wants Nova. They fancy themselves along with the football schools but they are fooling themselves. Especially in the new BCS landscape, I think you're more likely to see lesser football schools dropping from D1 football all together considering the costs to run the programs.

I know a lot of people out there think the League can't be as good without the football schools, but I think it probably can when the right schools are merged into the league like Xavier, Butler, Dayton etc.

Who knows what this holds. Bottom line though is that the schools like SJU without football don't have a heck of a lot to lose either way. We never shared football money. We might get a marginally lesser league without football. It will also better our chances of winning the conference and making the NCAA's every year. It hasn't hurt schools like Gonzaga. Football also never helped schools like UNLV win bball games. Good coaches and a solid league will be more than enough to put out a great product. It remains imperative though that the bball schools put their money into the bball programs they do have and hire and keep great coaches.
 
 At this point, we may have to split and it might not be and for us either. For one, I don't think anybody wants Nova. They fancy themselves along with the football schools but they are fooling themselves. Especially in the new BCS landscape, I think you're more likely to see lesser football schools dropping from D1 football all together considering the costs to run the programs.

I know a lot of people out there think the League can't be as good without the football schools, but I think it probably can when the right schools are merged into the league like Xavier, Butler, Dayton etc.

Who knows what this holds. Bottom line though is that the schools like SJU without football don't have a heck of a lot to lose either way. We never shared football money. We might get a marginally lesser league without football. It will also better our chances of winning the conference and making the NCAA's every year. It hasn't hurt schools like Gonzaga. Football also never helped schools like UNLV win bball games. Good coaches and a solid league will be more than enough to put out a great product. It remains imperative though that the bball schools put their money into the bball programs they do have and hire and keep great coaches.
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Great coaches are the key. And coaches that are going to stay put and not use a Big East job as a stepping stone as so many (Providence) coaches have done in the past going all the way back to Rick Pitino.

Yeah, maybe with Temple we don't need two Philly schools but would hate to lose Villanova.

In order for a BB only conference to thrive, St John's, Georgetown and one of the Philly schools, be it Temple or Villanova, have to be Top 10-20 perennial powers. Butler and Xavier are exciting NCAA tournament teams but who cares about them during the regular season outside of their local fan base? NYC, DC and Philly are key media outlets.

The thing that made the Big East were the great rivalries: St John's vs Georgetown, Syracuse vs Georgetown et al playing twice a year. Not sure where the balance is between a BB only conference expansion to include some of the schools and getting back to the home-away series with all teams in your league.

In the end, it is all about money not what makes the most sense.
 
 Temple has a pretty good FB team. Dont see them as BB only member. Villanova has a pretty bad FB team , they are more likely to be BB only. I ve wanted the BE to stay intact but Im beginning to think that wont happen. I can see Louisville and Cincy in the Big 12. U Conn and Rutgers in the ACC and the others FB schools back to Conf USA. Either the BB schools will have to raid the A10 or merge. Tough times ahead for the BE. The conference is going to need one sharp commisioner to survive.
 
The key for BB schools, should they break off and form their own league, obviously would be to keep the Big East name and Madison Square Garden conference tournament.

The BB schools have great traditions but in order to remain top flight they have to commit a lot of money to compete with the football conferences.The BSC schools have tons of money to throw around for coach's salaries.

No two ways about it, Syracuse chancellor Nancy Cantor screwed the Big East and her own fans. No one in Syracuse is happy about leaving the Big East.

College athletics is broken on so many levels and there's no will or desire to fix it.

Very scary indeed. 
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What makes you say we won't be able to keep the Big East Name and MSG? The founding members have more pull when it comes to the name and the conference tournament.
 
Notre Dame
Depaul
Marquette
Xavier
St. Louis
Butler

St. John's
Villanova
Providence
Seton Hall
VCU
Georgetown

Add four more slowly if you'd like.

Not a 10-bid league, but I'd take it in a heartbeat, especially if the raids aren't over. I don't want to be stuck with Houston and UCF if Louisville is just going to be wooed by the Big 12 a year from now. 
 
The key for BB schools, should they break off and form their own league, obviously would be to keep the Big East name and Madison Square Garden conference tournament.

The BB schools have great traditions but in order to remain top flight they have to commit a lot of money to compete with the football conferences.The BSC schools have tons of money to throw around for coach's salaries.

No two ways about it, Syracuse chancellor Nancy Cantor screwed the Big East and her own fans. No one in Syracuse is happy about leaving the Big East.

College athletics is broken on so many levels and there's no will or desire to fix it.

Very scary indeed. 
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What makes you say we won't be able to keep the Big East Name and MSG? The founding members have more pull when it comes to the name and the conference tournament.
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Absolutely right. I think it only requires six or so early member to withdraw to be able to take the name with them. There's no way this conversation hasn't happened among the basketball-only schools.
 
The key for BB schools, should they break off and form their own league, obviously would be to keep the Big East name and Madison Square Garden conference tournament.

The BB schools have great traditions but in order to remain top flight they have to commit a lot of money to compete with the football conferences.The BSC schools have tons of money to throw around for coach's salaries.

No two ways about it, Syracuse chancellor Nancy Cantor screwed the Big East and her own fans. No one in Syracuse is happy about leaving the Big East.

College athletics is broken on so many levels and there's no will or desire to fix it.

Very scary indeed. 
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What makes you say we won't be able to keep the Big East Name and MSG? The founding members have more pull when it comes to the name and the conference tournament.
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It's always seemed that as long as the hoops schools were willing to wait it out the football schools would all leave and the hoops schools would keep the Big East assets (brand, name and presumably MSG contract). If the hoops teams leave before the football teams that probably is not as set in stone. Suggest waiting for the football teams to leave is still the smartest move. It's not like someone else out there will make a hoops only super-conference and lock out the BE hoops schools if they don't act quickly enough.
 
 I like the scenario that LJSA proposed and like the geography of the 2 divisions also. 
 
The key for BB schools, should they break off and form their own league, obviously would be to keep the Big East name and Madison Square Garden conference tournament.

The BB schools have great traditions but in order to remain top flight they have to commit a lot of money to compete with the football conferences.The BSC schools have tons of money to throw around for coach's salaries.

No two ways about it, Syracuse chancellor Nancy Cantor screwed the Big East and her own fans. No one in Syracuse is happy about leaving the Big East.

College athletics is broken on so many levels and there's no will or desire to fix it.

Very scary indeed. 
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What makes you say we won't be able to keep the Big East Name and MSG? The founding members have more pull when it comes to the name and the conference tournament.
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I didn't say they wouldn't be able to keep the Big East name and MSG. Think I said that was key. If all the football teams go to other conferences, guess that would be a moot point. In any case, the whole thing is a mess.
 
Major talk of Clemson and FSU leaving the ACC for the Big 12 , with their new mega money deal. This will totally disrupt the ACC and they will have to raid the Big East again. The whole thing is a joke and it has to scare Lavin.
Johnnie's have to be in a major conference to recruit at this time. If and when they are perennial top 20 it won't matter as much.
However, I wouldn't mind an ACC mess right about now.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2012/02/06/Colleges/ACC-TV.aspx 
 
Major talk of Clemson and FSU leaving the ACC for the Big 12 , with their new mega money deal. This will totally disrupt the ACC and they will have to raid the Big East again. The whole thing is a joke and it has to scare Lavin.
Johnnie's have to be in a major conference to recruit at this time. If and when they are perennial top 20 it won't matter as much.
However, I wouldn't mind an ACC mess right about now.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2012/02/06/Colleges/ACC-TV.aspx 
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Interesting. I hadn't heard the FSU/Clemson rumor, but who would ACC take? UConn has to be viewed as toxic right now, right?
 
I think the ACC's best bet is to just finish the job they started. Add Georgetown, Uconn, St. John's, and Villanova and take over college basketball. The TV deal they could get by adding the NYC, DC, and Phlly markets would be second to none. Tradition is dead in college athetlics, so there is no need to worry about adding three nonfootball schools. The current ACC is just a hybrid of the old ACC and the old Big East anyway. I'd like to see G'town, STJ, and Nova meet over this and at least bring a proposal to the ACC.

If we split, I'd like to see a visionary put together a massive conference with an east and a west division. Gonzaga is a must get...no two ways about it. Dayton and Xavier are also no-brainers. Dayton always posts one of the highest attendance figures in the country. I'd also add Wichita State (great attendance, good history, NO football) and Creighton (awesome attendance, good history, always good teams).

East
St. John's
Georgetown
Providence
Seton Hall
Villanova
Xavier
Dayton


West
Gonzaga
Wichita St.
Creighton
St. Louis
Butler
Depaul
Marquette
 
I think the ACC's best bet is to just finish the job they started. Add Georgetown, Uconn, St. John's, and Villanova and take over college basketball. The TV deal they could get by adding the NYC, DC, and Phlly markets would be second to none. Tradition is dead in college athetlics, so there is no need to worry about adding three nonfootball schools. The current ACC is just a hybrid of the old ACC and the old Big East anyway. I'd like to see G'town, STJ, and Nova meet over this and at least bring a proposal to the ACC.

If we split, I'd like to see a visionary put together a massive conference with an east and a west division. Gonzaga is a must get...no two ways about it. Dayton and Xavier are also no-brainers. Dayton always posts one of the highest attendance figures in the country. I'd also add Wichita State (great attendance, good history, NO football) and Creighton (awesome attendance, good history, always good teams).

East
St. John's
Georgetown
Providence
Seton Hall
Villanova
Xavier
Dayton


West
Gonzaga
Wichita St.
Creighton
St. Louis
Butler
Depaul
Marquette
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I like both ideas.
 
I think the ACC's best bet is to just finish the job they started. Add Georgetown, Uconn, St. John's, and Villanova and take over college basketball. The TV deal they could get by adding the NYC, DC, and Phlly markets would be second to none. Tradition is dead in college athetlics, so there is no need to worry about adding three nonfootball schools. The current ACC is just a hybrid of the old ACC and the old Big East anyway. I'd like to see G'town, STJ, and Nova meet over this and at least bring a proposal to the ACC.

If we split, I'd like to see a visionary put together a massive conference with an east and a west division. Gonzaga is a must get...no two ways about it. Dayton and Xavier are also no-brainers. Dayton always posts one of the highest attendance figures in the country. I'd also add Wichita State (great attendance, good history, NO football) and Creighton (awesome attendance, good history, always good teams).

East
St. John's
Georgetown
Providence
Seton Hall
Villanova
Xavier
Dayton


West
Gonzaga
Wichita St.
Creighton
St. Louis
Butler
Depaul
Marquette
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That would be a great league
I'm all for it!! 
It might be in our best interest, in the long run, to be disassociated from the football schools 
 
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