Jim Boeheim Speaks Out On Gun Control

mass shootings happen in gun free zones - mass shooters aren't going into police houses to kill cops because they know their armed. Their goal is mass murder and they don't wanna get interupted.

Like Joe Biden said during the debates : Folks use your commen sense here. If you think gun bans work then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.
If mass murderers knew citizens had concealed weapons they wouldn't go into a movie theatre or school and shoot people. Mass murderers target schools and movie theatres because they know people are unarmed..
 
No they target schools and theaters because there's lots of people - you can't spell mass murder without mass. These folks know that they're going to die, either by someone's concealed weapon or their own hand before the act is over. More concealed weapons = more potential unplanned incidents, not less planned incidents. That's the wrong solution.
 
mass shootings happen in gun free zones - mass shooters aren't going into police houses to kill cops because they know their armed. Their goal is mass murder and they don't wanna get interupted.

Like Joe Biden said during the debates : Folks use your commen sense here. If you think gun bans work then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.
If mass murderers knew citizens had concealed weapons they wouldn't go into a movie theatre or school and shoot people. Mass murderers target schools and movie theatres because they know people are unarmed..

Just what we need: heat-packing movie patrons! Nothing like hundreds of panicked theatergoers shooting wildly in the dark. What next, arming first-graders?

These sickos go to schools and theaters (where no one can see them) because people that inhabit them are vulnerable and unsuspecting sitting targets, i.e., the opposite of a police station houses.Speaking of which: why is it that police officers and and other law enforcement agents are overwhelming in favor of strict gun laws? Because they know better than anyone that the more guns we have available, the more carnage we have. As for gun bans, they do work. Countries that have and enforce them typically have a small fraction of gun-related deaths that this country incurs each and every year.
 
Redken, i can say the majority of law enforcement are in favor for harsh penalties for criminal possession of firearms (used in a crime or carried illegally). However the vast majority feel law abiding citizens should have the right to have a firearm. I think you are interpreting to much into what political appointed commissioners and chiefs have to say on the issue.
 
Redken, i can say the majority of law enforcement are in favor for harsh penalties for criminal possession of firearms (used in a crime or carried illegally). However the vast majority feel law abiding citizens should have the right to have a firearm. I think you are interpreting to much into what political appointed commissioners and chiefs have to say on the issue.

Didn't say policeman, etc. are against citizens having firearms. Said they're in favor of gun regulations so they don't end up in the hands of criminals, crazies, etc. They are, for example, opposed to the unlimited sales of guns without background checks at gun shows, and they are emphatically opposed to the availability of semi-automatic weapons to anyone. And that's not just coming from commissioners and bureaucrats, it's from the officers & law-enforcement agents themselves. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that. Back to the theme of this thread: does Jim Boeheim or other public figures have the right to express his indignation over the slaughter of our children by psychos with military-type weapons? Absolutely so, and kudos to him for doing so. And here's hoping the NRA's hold on our Congress is finally broken.
 
mass shootings happen in gun free zones - mass shooters aren't going into police houses to kill cops because they know their armed. Their goal is mass murder and they don't wanna get interupted.

Like Joe Biden said during the debates : Folks use your commen sense here. If you think gun bans work then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.
If mass murderers knew citizens had concealed weapons they wouldn't go into a movie theatre or school and shoot people. Mass murderers target schools and movie theatres because they know people are unarmed..


Mass murderers don't go to the houses of police officers--or anyone else for that matter--to kill, because there aren't enough people. They don't target movie theatres or schools because the know their victims are unarmed...they go there because it gives them the best chance to kill more people in a short amount of time. They almost always kill themselves after anyway, so fear doens't seem like much of a factor at all.
 
I always try to be civil but these arguments against gun control are so illogical that their proponents sound like idiots!
 
Any of us blessed enough to be parents really desire the same thing - happiness, health, and safety for our children. My own high school son still texts my wife each morning to let her know he is safely at school in Manhattan before he is required to turn off his phone. We've always thought of our schools as safe. It's why we trust our kids in the care of schools for a large part of their waking hours.

At a time of year (Christmas) where we yearn to see wonderment through a child's eyes, we instead confront the reality that even in an idyllic town, dozens of small children were slaughtered in a few moments by a crazed individual with automatic weaponry designed for war but sold to civilians.

As parents buried their children this weekend, we celebrated our oldest child's engagement. In the delivery room, literally seconds after she was born, I spoke softly to her, and extended my hand towards her. I was surprised as she wrapped her tiny hand around my pinky and held tight. Immediately a bond was formed that exists to this day, as with each of my children.

If we cannot do all that can be done to reasonablty insure the safety and well being of all of our children, we have failed as a generation. There is nothing more important.
 
So let’s arm school teachers and movie-goers??

Well hey maybe if a teacher had a gun and knew how to shoot it and planted a bullet in that sob`s head then there would have been alot less children dead right? What`s to lose? If a teacher did have a gun and didn`t use it well look at what happened on Friday, 26 dead. Samn as in VT, Columbine, The movie house in Denver ect.......

With no pne to fire back then it`s just a chicken shoot, no worries for him.
 
Absolutely nothing will come of this with regard to getting control of the gun situation. And nothing will happen after the next mass shooting either.

Honestly, the only thing that will work will be guns that can only be fired by their registered owners, so just sit back and wait 25 years for the technology to catch up, and hope you don't get shot in the meantime.

Even then, I suspect a large percentage of gun owners would complain because they wouldn't be able to share their gun with their 5-year-old son.
 
So let’s arm school teachers and movie-goers??

Well hey maybe if a teacher had a gun and knew how to shoot it and planted a bullet in that sob`s head then there would have been alot less children dead right? What`s to lose? If a teacher did have a gun and didn`t use it well look at what happened on Friday, 26 dead. Samn as in VT, Columbine, The movie house in Denver ect.......

With no pne to fire back then it`s just a chicken shoot, no worries for him.

Yesterday I received a letter from my daughter's High School assuring the parents that ever precaution was being taken, and will continue to be taken, to insure the safety of the students at the school. The letter also happened to mention that several members of the faculty had previous careers in law enforcement(read between the lines).
 
So let’s arm school teachers and movie-goers??

Well hey maybe if a teacher had a gun and knew how to shoot it and planted a bullet in that sob`s head then there would have been alot less children dead right? What`s to lose? If a teacher did have a gun and didn`t use it well look at what happened on Friday, 26 dead. Samn as in VT, Columbine, The movie house in Denver ect.......

With no pne to fire back then it`s just a chicken shoot, no worries for him.

I know we have so many strong emotions about this - profound sadness, raging anger, a sense of helplessness for our inability to protect our most important posession, our children. While I wonder about the downward spiral that caused this kid to act out this way, had he instead simply went to his basement and killed himself, we'd view with sadness this young man's tormented life. Mental illness is a disease we simply cannot treat well at this juncture. There is no surgery to reverse, no medications that cure, no therapy that eradicates. Beyond that, walking among us are those who have building insurmountable mental illness, some already close to or over the edge. It's hard to have sympathy for someone who exacted such carnage, but many of us have someone close to us who is mentally unstable. If you do, you know how helpless you are to help remedy the situation. Most are just functional enough not to mandate clinical intervention.
 
" Mental illness is a disease we simply cannot treat well at this juncture. There is no surgery to reverse, no medications that cure, no therapy that eradicates. "

Beast, at two years shy of a half century working in behavioral health, I agree with much of your comment on the state of care for these brain-based illnesses. What you do not mention is the role of stigma, short-sighted government funding decisions, and family enabing in keeping so many of the affflicted from reaching their highest potential level of independence and social adjustment.

There are many reasons we have reached the point as a nation where the largest mental health residential service program in the country is the LA County Jail. Not least among them is the massive irresponsibility of the mental health and substance abuse care systems in spending billions of poorly monitored federal dollars on precious interventions to serve the "worried well" (President Carter finally shut the spigot feeding the trough) and clinical ideology wars that were self-absorbed to the point that no one saw who the patients really were.

Still, rehabilitation and recovery support do work, are a lot less sexy than cures and a lot more work, and give people help to call and places to go, that don't involve guns or social isolation. Somehow, several decades ago I was able to get a beautiful quintilingual clinical psychologist to say yes to a marriage proposal and along the way we have visited behavioral health programs in many countries, on this continent and in Europe. The difference between the integration of care (recovery and rehabilitation) in to the cultural and economic life of the community is striking, with other countries doing what seems a much better job of holding their behaviorally disabled citizens in need within the fabric of community life.

I serve on the board of an agency that hosts a NAMI chapter and have done family and community education about behavioral illnesses for all of my years in the field. Both the anguish and courage of families with afflicted members is overwhelming, taking us to the depths of human suffering and the heights of who we are at our best. Most of us who count ourselves lucky with healthy immediate family, if we think for a minute, immediately come to the name of the closest relative who is behaviorally ill, and realize that there but for fortune go you or I.

I apoligize for a response that is way too long and self-involved but I don't live far from Newtown and my grandchildren are the age of some of the slaughtered babies. I guess the bottom line here for me is that each of us needs to get to work in our own garden to clean this mess up as best we can.
 
" Mental illness is a disease we simply cannot treat well at this juncture. There is no surgery to reverse, no medications that cure, no therapy that eradicates. "

Beast, at two years shy of a half century working in behavioral health, I agree with much of your comment on the state of care for these brain-based illnesses. What you do not mention is the role of stigma, short-sighted government funding decisions, and family enabing in keeping so many of the affflicted from reaching their highest potential level of independence and social adjustment.

There are many reasons we have reached the point as a nation where the largest mental health residential service program in the country is the LA County Jail. Not least among them is the massive irresponsibility of the mental health and substance abuse care systems in spending billions of poorly monitored federal dollars on precious interventions to serve the "worried well" (President Carter finally shut the spigot feeding the trough) and clinical ideology wars that were self-absorbed to the point that no one saw who the patients really were.

Still, rehabilitation and recovery support do work, are a lot less sexy than cures and a lot more work, and give people help to call and places to go, that don't involve guns or social isolation. Somehow, several decades ago I was able to get a beautiful quintilingual clinical psychologist to say yes to a marriage proposal and along the way we have visited behavioral health programs in many countries, on this continent and in Europe. The difference between the integration of care (recovery and rehabilitation) in to the cultural and economic life of the community is striking, with other countries doing what seems a much better job of holding their behaviorally disabled citizens in need within the fabric of community life.

I serve on the board of an agency that hosts a NAMI chapter and have done family and community education about behavioral illnesses for all of my years in the field. Both the anguish and courage of families with afflicted members is overwhelming, taking us to the depths of human suffering and the heights of who we are at our best. Most of us who count ourselves lucky with healthy immediate family, if we think for a minute, immediately come to the name of the closest relative who is behaviorally ill, and realize that there but for fortune go you or I.

I apoligize for a response that is way too long and self-involved but I don't live far from Newtown and my grandchildren are the age of some of the slaughtered babies. I guess the bottom line here for me is that each of us needs to get to work in our own garden to clean this mess up as best we can.

thanks for the voices of reason. putting mentally ill people on the streets with the hope they take their meds is shockingly ludicrous. how to treat the mentally ill is a far greater issue than gun control...but it's expensive. that makes it a non-starter. the bottom line is no one really thinks they'll be the victim of a mass shooting, this will come and go...then it's on to another state and more victims.

on the bright side, the culture of bullying is being targeted as unacceptible. this should help down the road.

a few points..

public figures like boeheim/bob costas have a right and a duty to speak out...as do those on the other side of the issue as charlton heston did when he was with us.

people complain about video games...did this sick and pathetic young man in connecticut play video games? i hadn't heard that.

there should be national gun control laws...not state by state. plaxico shot himself with a gun registered in florida by not in new york...so he goes to prison? it should be much easier in nyc to obtain a weapon. bloomberg talks tough...but he's surrounded by ARMED guards. would he disarm them? we can't depend on the NYPD or any other police agency to defend us. their job is to catch people after the crime is committed. the gun owner vetting process should be significantly better. no national data bank today?? that's crazy. no gun show loopholes. no large clips. any crimes committed with guns should warrant life in prison. the rockefeller drug laws put people behind bars for life...and this is more important.
 
I came across this in an article I just read.Thank you to these people who own guns legally. This is why this is not an easy decision to just say ban guns.


-- Mayan Palace Theater, San Antonio, Texas, this week: Jesus Manuel Garcia shoots at a movie theater, a police car and bystanders from the nearby China Garden restaurant; as he enters the movie theater, guns blazing, an armed off-duty cop shoots Garcia four times, stopping the attack. Total dead: Zero.

-- Winnemucca, Nev., 2008: Ernesto Villagomez opens fire in a crowded restaurant; concealed carry permit-holder shoots him dead. Total dead: Two. (I'm excluding the shooters' deaths in these examples.)

-- Appalachian School of Law, 2002: Crazed immigrant shoots the dean and a professor, then begins shooting students; as he goes for more ammunition, two armed students point their guns at him, allowing a third to tackle him. Total dead: Three.

-- Santee, Calif., 2001: Student begins shooting his classmates -- as well as the "trained campus supervisor"; an off-duty cop who happened to be bringing his daughter to school that day points his gun at the shooter, holding him until more police arrive. Total dead: Two.

-- Pearl High School, Mississippi, 1997: After shooting several people at his high school, student heads for the junior high school; assistant principal Joel Myrick retrieves a .45 pistol from his car and points it at the gunman's head, ending the murder spree. Total dead: Two.

-- Edinboro, Pa., 1998: A student shoots up a junior high school dance being held at a restaurant; restaurant owner pulls out his shotgun and stops the gunman. Total dead: One.
 
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