Jayson Williams - a free man

[redken]

 Fact is this man killed another man and tried to make it out to be a suicide. I don't care how accidental the killing was, this man should not be free and should definitely not be anywhere around this program. Lucky for him he didn't kill anyone else while driving drunk. This man should not have people wishing him the best because he was nice to them for 20 minutes, he is a monster

 

Chill out dude.
He did his time.

 
So I suppose after a pedophile does his time you would leave him alone with your kids.

 

Your comments make no sense at all.

Jayson is not a compulsive serial killer. He did a stupid thing while inebriated that turned ugly. To equate him with a child predator is not only off base and irrational, it's offensive. 

 

[bamafan]

I just don't think it is right for someone who basically got away with murder while drunk, then proves he has not been rehabilitated when he goes out and drives under the influence should be anywhere near a college bball program. And I'd also go as far as saying he is a sick man. Clearly he has demons. So I'd appreciate if people like Tom in Salem would not say chill out. Others can express the way they feel

 

It wasn't first degree murder here. He was drunk and messing around with his guns. All were having a good time till end went bad with a fatal accident. He don't "get away with it" either. He went to jail and did time. His fatal flaw was trying to cover it up. He did the equivalent of driving away from the scene of the crime because I'd panic and fear of what would happen. This is not an evil dude. This is no different an a drunk driver who fled the scene out of panic.

I've done lots of stupid things back in the day as have most people. Majority of people who leave a bar or restaurant after happy hour are would-be criminals. There was no malicious intent in Jayson Williams's crime. I'm not a religious person. I'm a pantheist, but I was raised Catholic and forgiveness is a main tenet of e religion. J. Will. Made a huge mistake and did jail time for trying to cover up his mistakes while panicking to save his existence on this planet. I don't mind him around the program. He needs to rehab his life now.

 
So because it wasn't first degree murder he is just another regular guy. Much more than an accident. Reports were he was verbally abusing the victim all night and his conduct was criminally reckless or negligent it was not just an accident. He did not just leave the scene in panic he set him up to look like a suicide (tampering with evidence) then tried to coerce witnesses to perjure themselves. Also arrested for felonious assault and then violation of parole with a DWI. Take fellow johnny out of the equation and he is still a sweetheart of a guy right. You hang out with him but if you have a family just make sure your life insurance is paid up.

 

[MCNPA]

I just don't think it is right for someone who basically got away with murder while drunk, then proves he has not been rehabilitated when he goes out and drives under the influence should be anywhere near a college bball program. And I'd also go as far as saying he is a sick man. Clearly he has demons. So I'd appreciate if people like Tom in Salem would not say chill out. Others can express the way they feel

 

It wasn't first degree murder here. He was drunk and messing around with his guns. All were having a good time till end went bad with a fatal accident. He don't "get away with it" either. He went to jail and did time. His fatal flaw was trying to cover it up. He did the equivalent of driving away from the scene of the crime because I'd panic and fear of what would happen. This is not an evil dude. This is no different an a drunk driver who fled the scene out of panic.

I've done lots of stupid things back in the day as have most people. Majority of people who leave a bar or restaurant after happy hour are would-be criminals. There was no malicious intent in Jayson Williams's crime. I'm not a religious person. I'm a pantheist, but I was raised Catholic and forgiveness is a main tenet of e religion. J. Will. Made a huge mistake and did jail time for trying to cover up his mistakes while panicking to save his existence on this planet. I don't mind him around the program. He needs to rehab his life now.

 
So because it wasn't first degree murder he is just another regular guy. Much more than an accident. Reports were he was verbally abusing the victim all night and his conduct was criminally reckless or negligent it was not just an accident. He did not just leave the scene in panic he set him up to look like a suicide (tampering with evidence) then tried to coerce witnesses to perjure themselves. Also arrested for felonious assault and then violation of parole with a DWI. Take fellow johnny out of the equation and he is still a sweetheart of a guy right. You hang out with him but if you have a family just make sure your life insurance is paid up.

 

So you think he wanted to shoot the guy and ruin his life?? 

To clarify. I'm not denying he was an idiot and made a ton of dumb mistakes and missteps. I don't think he should be involved with our program in any coaching or advisory capacity. I just think he's a guy with an alcohol problem who has a difficult time controlling himself. He certainly is no saint. I don't thnk he's a cold-blooded murderer, but certainly has a checkered past and is out of control when drunk.

 

[monte]

 Fact is this man killed another man and tried to make it out to be a suicide. I don't care how accidental the killing was, this man should not be free and should definitely not be anywhere around this program. Lucky for him he didn't kill anyone else while driving drunk. This man should not have people wishing him the best because he was nice to them for 20 minutes, he is a monster

 

Chill out dude.
He did his time.

 

...and he will live with what happened his entire life. He was not a murderer but a man with many personal issues. The incident cost him his wife and his fortune. As tragic a story as that of Sonny Dove. NBA careers and money turn into a curse for so many players.

 

You know who was really cursed? The limo driver and his family. That's who I'll save my sympathy for.

 

[bamafan]

I just don't think it is right for someone who basically got away with murder while drunk, then proves he has not been rehabilitated when he goes out and drives under the influence should be anywhere near a college bball program. And I'd also go as far as saying he is a sick man. Clearly he has demons. So I'd appreciate if people like Tom in Salem would not say chill out. Others can express the way they feel

 

It wasn't first degree murder here. He was drunk and messing around with his guns. All were having a good time till end went bad with a fatal accident. He don't "get away with it" either. He went to jail and did time. His fatal flaw was trying to cover it up. He did the equivalent of driving away from the scene of the crime because I'd panic and fear of what would happen. This is not an evil dude. This is no different an a drunk driver who fled the scene out of panic.

I've done lots of stupid things back in the day as have most people. Majority of people who leave a bar or restaurant after happy hour are would-be criminals. There was no malicious intent in Jayson Williams's crime. I'm not a religious person. I'm a pantheist, but I was raised Catholic and forgiveness is a main tenet of e religion. J. Will. Made a huge mistake and did jail time for trying to cover up his mistakes while panicking to save his existence on this planet. I don't mind him around the program. He needs to rehab his life now.

 
So because it wasn't first degree murder he is just another regular guy. Much more than an accident. Reports were he was verbally abusing the victim all night and his conduct was criminally reckless or negligent it was not just an accident. He did not just leave the scene in panic he set him up to look like a suicide (tampering with evidence) then tried to coerce witnesses to perjure themselves. Also arrested for felonious assault and then violation of parole with a DWI. Take fellow johnny out of the equation and he is still a sweetheart of a guy right. You hang out with him but if you have a family just make sure your life insurance is paid up.

 

So you think he wanted to shoot the guy and ruin his life?? 

To clarify. I'm not denying he was an idiot and made a ton of dumb mistakes and missteps. I don't think he should be involved with our program in any coaching or advisory capacity. I just think he's a guy with an alcohol problem who has a difficult time controlling himself. He certainly is no saint. I don't thnk he's a cold-blooded murderer, but certainly has a checkered past and is out of control when drunk.

 
If you read what I wrote more closely i said his conduct was reckless or negligent not intentional. Did George Zimmerman want to ruin his life? Most don't want to ruin their lives but yet they cannot control their behavior. Like to see you be so forgiving if it was one of your loved ones killed and if you would chalk it up to oh well the guy had a drinking problem.

 

[Class of 72]

 Fact is this man killed another man and tried to make it out to be a suicide. I don't care how accidental the killing was, this man should not be free and should definitely not be anywhere around this program. Lucky for him he didn't kill anyone else while driving drunk. This man should not have people wishing him the best because he was nice to them for 20 minutes, he is a monster

 

Chill out dude.
He did his time.

 
So I suppose after a pedophile does his time you would leave him alone with your kids.

 

Your analogy is not funny!

 

[monte]

I just don't think it is right for someone who basically got away with murder while drunk, then proves he has not been rehabilitated when he goes out and drives under the influence should be anywhere near a college bball program. And I'd also go as far as saying he is a sick man. Clearly he has demons. So I'd appreciate if people like Tom in Salem would not say chill out. Others can express the way they feel

 

It wasn't first degree murder here. He was drunk and messing around with his guns. All were having a good time till end went bad with a fatal accident. He don't "get away with it" either. He went to jail and did time. His fatal flaw was trying to cover it up. He did the equivalent of driving away from the scene of the crime because I'd panic and fear of what would happen. This is not an evil dude. This is no different an a drunk driver who fled the scene out of panic.

I've done lots of stupid things back in the day as have most people. Majority of people who leave a bar or restaurant after happy hour are would-be criminals. There was no malicious intent in Jayson Williams's crime. I'm not a religious person. I'm a pantheist, but I was raised Catholic and forgiveness is a main tenet of e religion. J. Will. Made a huge mistake and did jail time for trying to cover up his mistakes while panicking to save his existence on this planet. I don't mind him around the program. He needs to rehab his life now.

 
So because it wasn't first degree murder he is just another regular guy. Much more than an accident. Reports were he was verbally abusing the victim all night and his conduct was criminally reckless or negligent it was not just an accident. He did not just leave the scene in panic he set him up to look like a suicide (tampering with evidence) then tried to coerce witnesses to perjure themselves. Also arrested for felonious assault and then violation of parole with a DWI. Take fellow johnny out of the equation and he is still a sweetheart of a guy right. You hang out with him but if you have a family just make sure your life insurance is paid up.

 

So you think he wanted to shoot the guy and ruin his life?? 

To clarify. I'm not denying he was an idiot and made a ton of dumb mistakes and missteps. I don't think he should be involved with our program in any coaching or advisory capacity. I just think he's a guy with an alcohol problem who has a difficult time controlling himself. He certainly is no saint. I don't thnk he's a cold-blooded murderer, but certainly has a checkered past and is out of control when drunk.

Ive been drunk plenty of times, and I've made plenty of dumb mistakes(both drunk and sober), but Ive never even come close to killing anyone, except maybe myself. Jason Williams was a loose cannon for a very long time, both before and after he killed that man. By all accounts what happened with the limo driver was bound to happen eventually. Jason Williams played Russian roulette with that poor guy's life. I don't think he wanted to shoot the guy, but I don't think he gave a damn about the guy. I don't know that he gives a damn about the guy now. I'm sure he feels sorry, I'm just not so sure that it's not himself that he feels sorry for. Keep that SOB as far away from our program as possible. He's a disgrace!

 

[Season of Glass]

 Fact is this man killed another man and tried to make it out to be a suicide. I don't care how accidental the killing was, this man should not be free and should definitely not be anywhere around this program. Lucky for him he didn't kill anyone else while driving drunk. This man should not have people wishing him the best because he was nice to them for 20 minutes, he is a monster

 

Yes, he killed someone. He made a terrible mistake but I believe it was an accident.

Jayson has some demons which didn't mix well with drugs and alcohol. When he is straight he one of the greatest guys in the world.

I wish him all the best and hope he can redeem himself

 

[FranWho?]

I don't care how big of a St. John's fan you are: that man should've gotten a MUCH larger prison sentence. The university would be making a big mistake if they were to invite him or promote him in any way. 

 
You are correct sir.

 

[dee]

 I met Jayson at least twice and each time he was very nice and gracious. At the time my sons were young and he took a picture with them and was very nice. He made some mistakes but no one is perfect, we should all welcome him back. Jayson is a good guy

 

[bball purist]

 Fact is this man killed another man and tried to make it out to be a suicide. I don't care how accidental the killing was, this man should not be free and should definitely not be anywhere around this program. Lucky for him he didn't kill anyone else while driving drunk. This man should not have people wishing him the best because he was nice to them for 20 minutes, he is a monster

 

Chill out dude.
He did his time.

 
So I suppose after a pedophile does his time you would leave him alone with your kids.

 straw man, straw man, straw man... After your correlation of J Will to this, I would not leave my children alone with YOU.

 

[FranWho?]

 Fact is this man killed another man and tried to make it out to be a suicide. I don't care how accidental the killing was, this man should not be free and should definitely not be anywhere around this program. Lucky for him he didn't kill anyone else while driving drunk. This man should not have people wishing him the best because he was nice to them for 20 minutes, he is a monster

 

Chill out dude.
He did his time.

 
So I suppose after a pedophile does his time you would leave him alone with your kids.

 straw man, straw man, straw man... After your correlation of J Will to this, I would not leave my children alone with YOU.

 

We should keep Jayson Williams as far away from this program as possible.

 

[bamafan]

 Fact is this man killed another man and tried to make it out to be a suicide. I don't care how accidental the killing was, this man should not be free and should definitely not be anywhere around this program. Lucky for him he didn't kill anyone else while driving drunk. This man should not have people wishing him the best because he was nice to them for 20 minutes, he is a monster

 

Chill out dude.
He did his time.

 
So I suppose after a pedophile does his time you would leave him alone with your kids.

 straw man, straw man, straw man... After your correlation of J Will to this, I would not leave my children alone with YOU.

 
It was an analogy not a correlation. Your judgment is way off. For whatever reasons JW was a loose cannon for most of his adult life. How about the time his 7'center teammate on nets (from Florida) was visiting and JW shot and killed his dog for disobeying him. Go ahead and keep sucking up to your hero. There is a difference between having a charming personality and being a part time nice guy and making some mistakes in your life and the litany of serious bad acts committed by JW. You don't know me and you would rather leave your kids with JW. Well I can tell you I never committed a more serious offense than a speeding ticket and I was responsible for putting numerous criminals including pedophiles behind bars during my years in the Suffolk County District Attorney's Office.

 

[LJSA]

Pretty sure Lavin will avoid anything that the media (aka Lenny) will jump on to portray the program in a bad light, so those in the anti-Williams camp don't have to worry about him being a regular at practice, at least not for the next several years.

Anyone against Jayson cozying up to the program needs to direct their anger toward Louie. But I'm pretty sure a guy as old as Coach knows who he wants to be friends with, and be seen with at games, so you'll probably be out of luck.

I just hope Father Harry doesn't decide that Williams should not be at games and cause friction with Louie.

Yes, he's a great guy most of the time. And yes he nyucked up colossally. Would I want him to rot in prison if he was an anonymous guy off the street or a UConn player? Probably. But he's not, so I wish him luck, and I hope that he's completely sober and taking his antidepressants. 

 

[MainMan]

For those expressing sympathy for Jayson Williams, do you have any for Souksangouane Phengsene?

-Like Jayson, he has a habitual problem with alcohol.
-Like Jayson, he was drunk when he killed someone.
-Like Jayson, it was unintentional.
-Unlike Jayson, he didn't try (or perhaps was incapable of trying) to cover it up.

His victim?

Malik Sealy 

 

[dee]

 I cant believe you unforgiving right wingers. People make mistakes, we are all human. We should all welcome Jayson back into our "flock". Just remember the parable of the one lost sheep. Of course it might be hard for some of you who are perfect.

 

[sirvoo]

 Fact is this man killed another man and tried to make it out to be a suicide. I don't care how accidental the killing was, this man should not be free and should definitely not be anywhere around this program. Lucky for him he didn't kill anyone else while driving drunk. This man should not have people wishing him the best because he was nice to them for 20 minutes, he is a monster

 

Chill out dude.
He did his time.

 

...and he will live with what happened his entire life. He was not a murderer but a man with many personal issues. The incident cost him his wife and his fortune. As tragic a story as that of Sonny Dove. NBA careers and money turn into a curse for so many players.

 

And this drunk idiot shot a man and killed him. Who cares about the guy who lost money and deals with self pity. Another man got shot and killed by a dude who cared so much and was such an inspiration to all of us that he later was seen driving drunk. Depraved indifference after all those episodes is certainly a good way to show how much of man you are. And I like how all the herbs on this board gang up on ppl. Is it hard to believe that in some circles one man telling another to chill out is a punishable offense? Bunch of wise asses and jerks

 

The screen name is familiar, so I'll assume it's from Johnny Jungle, but I don't recall you being nearly this whiny over there.

 

Turns out most people agree with my sentiments about this guy being as far away from the program as possible. Sorry for being a whiny baby for not wanting this POS around the program and having a problem with someone dismissing my opinion immediately

 

[fuchsia]

For those expressing sympathy for Jayson Williams, do you have any for Souksangouane Phengsene?

-Like Jayson, he has a habitual problem with alcohol.
-Like Jayson, he was drunk when he killed someone.
-Like Jayson, it was unintentional.
-Unlike Jayson, he didn't try (or perhaps was incapable of trying) to cover it up.

His victim?

Malik Sealy 

 

Also, like Jason, he was arrested for another alcohol related infraction subsequent to taking a life. But,

Please try to make the distinction between legal consequences vs. social stigma vs. someone being a poster boy for the STJ basketball program. I have led addictive disease rehabilitation services for more than forty years and my tolerance for when the disease wins is very low, but that does not put me on a high horse, it makes me more humble about my capacity to help.

 

[logen]

 Fact is this man killed another man and tried to make it out to be a suicide. I don't care how accidental the killing was, this man should not be free and should definitely not be anywhere around this program. Lucky for him he didn't kill anyone else while driving drunk. This man should not have people wishing him the best because he was nice to them for 20 minutes, he is a monster

 

Chill out dude.
He did his time.

 

No, he is a lowlife who got off ridiculously easy for the crimes he committed. Being an SJU basketball player doesn't change that a bit.

 

[logen]

 I cant believe you unforgiving right wingers. People make mistakes, we are all human. We should all welcome Jayson back into our "flock". Just remember the parable of the one lost sheep. Of course it might be hard for some of you who are perfect.

 

Kinda like you're attitude towards Bernie Fine; what a freaking hypocrite you are!!!!!