Jakarr Declaring?

Why not get a jump start on his career which will, barring injury, make him far more money in a shorter amount of time than 98% of St. John's graduates will make.

But sadly there's a good chance he will make less money than 98% of St. John's graduates over the course of his life.

Probably not true. Phil Missere was making over 100k per season playing in England.

If Phil could net that, I'm sure JaKarr can match or exceed it playing in Europe. Honestly, I think it would be a waste of time for him to toil in the NBDL. Look at DJ Kennedy and Justin Brownlee. They consistently put up solid numbers and never get a chance.


How long was Phil making 100k and what did he do after that? If nothing else, Phil can fall back on his STJ degree. Jakarr can't.

And Euro ball is not the haven most think it is. Aside from the top tier clubs, it's a rag tag barnstorming group of teams along the lines of the ones STJ played last summer. Clubs fold left and right. If you're lucky you have a one-year contract that's honored. More than likely, you're just living game to game, paycheck to paycheck.

That's not necessarily a bad life when you're young and single. But those days are finite. Then what?

If Jakarr wants to he can get his degree after he is done playing. He will likely be making more money next year than the value of his scholarship. He definitely will be making more than tuition at a state school would cost. College isn't for everyone. Especially with the advancement of distance learning it really isn't a big deal if he doesn't have a diploma at the age of 22. Why waste 2 years of potential earnings when you can get the same degree, that you won't need until your career is done, 15 years down the road.
You took the words out of my mouth. There are a lot off un and underemployed college graduates. Whether he would have been on on NBA team if he stayed another year is any ones guess. Like others have said, he can always finish his degree.

It's not always that easy for everyone. If his career overseas fizzles out, is he really going to be able to afford to go back to school full time for 2 years? what if he has a family at that point and needs to support them? He seemed like a really bright kid with a good head on his shoulders, so I'm really hoping it pans out for him.

The easiest time to go to college, money or not, is when you are younger and don't have FT job responsibilities or family. I delayed grad school for a few years, and it was tough just taking 6 credits at night. To me, he's made a big mistake not hacking out a 4 year degree. Career opportunities in Europe would still have been there. The likelihood is that he will have limited earning potential playing overseas - certainly enough to live on, but not enough to coast when his playing days are over. To start a career at 35 without a college diploma will definitely limit your earning potential.
Jakaar couldn't even graduate HS w good enough grades to qualify. For all we know maybe the college workload is difficult for him and not his cup of tea. He had all the facts and made the decision he thaught was best for him. Whether it works out or not is another story.

To be fair, graduating HS and graduating St John's in some majors is about the same thing. I think all of us pretty much agree that poor academics figured into his decision to declare. Perhaps kids like him shouldn't be subjected to the rigors of playing a major sport and trying to tackle academics they aren't equipped to handle.

Your comments just described half of the college football players in America yet both sports and the kids that play them are subjected not by the colleges as many believe but by the NFL & NBA that use American colleges as their minor league at no cost to them to evaluate players.
I also think your comment "To be fair, graduating HS and graduating St John's in some majors is about the same thing" is condescending to our SJ students. Our kids may not be Ivy Leaguers but they likely have work harder to get their grades and will likely have to work harder at life because most people have that perception. I have worked with many Ivy Leaguers who majored in History who felt entitled once they got the job yet had to go through the same training process as the Iona or St. John's kid but they certainly did not work any harder.

Is it really worth discussing the 365th best college in America, and who brags about it in TV ads? Do you really think that SJU students work harder than those tackling an Ivy league curriculum? Do you think their curriculum is the same, therefore SJU students are outworking them? Or that somehow the 40% of Pell eligible students that comprise the student body compare with students at Fordham. Half of our discussions regarding a new university president were centered around a goal of seriously upgrading the competition to at least be in the same discussion of a school like Scranton or Loyola MD, which would seem like a reasonable goal. If administrators don't identify the school for what it is right now, no improvements will be forthcoming.

To be certain, to your point, academic capability isn't everything. It's widely reported that Mike Repole struggled through St. John's, and I don't think there are many people who would doubt the talent he has achieving the career success he has had to date. Thomas Edison is quoted as saying genius is 1% inspiration, and 99% perspiration.
 
Played a lot more tonight
They have him playing guard and standing 25 feet from the basket on their offensive sets
Can't handle the ball at all - was often out of control - I noted 4 unforced turnovers
Scored 8 points, had a couple of rebounds, blocked a shot, had an assist
But, he's not making anybody NBA roster this year
The guy on Philly who impressed me much more both nights was Ronald Roberts
He could have been a major contributor at St John's


Agree on all points. Roberts is very aggressive, probably the kind of kid we shouldn't turn away from. Never did like the way Sampson holds his jumper and foul shot. Instead of holding his left hand under the ball he has both hands on the the side of the ball.
 
well the " D " in the league name definitely doesn't stand for Dollars then
 
Why not get a jump start on his career which will, barring injury, make him far more money in a shorter amount of time than 98% of St. John's graduates will make.

But sadly there's a good chance he will make less money than 98% of St. John's graduates over the course of his life.

Probably not true. Phil Missere was making over 100k per season playing in England.

If Phil could net that, I'm sure JaKarr can match or exceed it playing in Europe. Honestly, I think it would be a waste of time for him to toil in the NBDL. Look at DJ Kennedy and Justin Brownlee. They consistently put up solid numbers and never get a chance.


How long was Phil making 100k and what did he do after that? If nothing else, Phil can fall back on his STJ degree. Jakarr can't.

And Euro ball is not the haven most think it is. Aside from the top tier clubs, it's a rag tag barnstorming group of teams along the lines of the ones STJ played last summer. Clubs fold left and right. If you're lucky you have a one-year contract that's honored. More than likely, you're just living game to game, paycheck to paycheck.

That's not necessarily a bad life when you're young and single. But those days are finite. Then what?

If Jakarr wants to he can get his degree after he is done playing. He will likely be making more money next year than the value of his scholarship. He definitely will be making more than tuition at a state school would cost. College isn't for everyone. Especially with the advancement of distance learning it really isn't a big deal if he doesn't have a diploma at the age of 22. Why waste 2 years of potential earnings when you can get the same degree, that you won't need until your career is done, 15 years down the road.
You took the words out of my mouth. There are a lot off un and underemployed college graduates. Whether he would have been on on NBA team if he stayed another year is any ones guess. Like others have said, he can always finish his degree.

It's not always that easy for everyone. If his career overseas fizzles out, is he really going to be able to afford to go back to school full time for 2 years? what if he has a family at that point and needs to support them? He seemed like a really bright kid with a good head on his shoulders, so I'm really hoping it pans out for him.

The easiest time to go to college, money or not, is when you are younger and don't have FT job responsibilities or family. I delayed grad school for a few years, and it was tough just taking 6 credits at night. To me, he's made a big mistake not hacking out a 4 year degree. Career opportunities in Europe would still have been there. The likelihood is that he will have limited earning potential playing overseas - certainly enough to live on, but not enough to coast when his playing days are over. To start a career at 35 without a college diploma will definitely limit your earning potential.
Jakaar couldn't even graduate HS w good enough grades to qualify. For all we know maybe the college workload is difficult for him and not his cup of tea. He had all the facts and made the decision he thaught was best for him. Whether it works out or not is another story.

To be fair, graduating HS and graduating St John's in some majors is about the same thing. I think all of us pretty much agree that poor academics figured into his decision to declare. Perhaps kids like him shouldn't be subjected to the rigors of playing a major sport and trying to tackle academics they aren't equipped to handle.

Your comments just described half of the college football players in America yet both sports and the kids that play them are subjected not by the colleges as many believe but by the NFL & NBA that use American colleges as their minor league at no cost to them to evaluate players.
I also think your comment "To be fair, graduating HS and graduating St John's in some majors is about the same thing" is condescending to our SJ students. Our kids may not be Ivy Leaguers but they likely have work harder to get their grades and will likely have to work harder at life because most people have that perception. I have worked with many Ivy Leaguers who majored in History who felt entitled once they got the job yet had to go through the same training process as the Iona or St. John's kid but they certainly did not work any harder.

Is it really worth discussing the 365th best college in America, and who brags about it in TV ads? Do you really think that SJU students work harder than those tackling an Ivy league curriculum? Do you think their curriculum is the same, therefore SJU students are outworking them? Or that somehow the 40% of Pell eligible students that comprise the student body compare with students at Fordham. Half of our discussions regarding a new university president were centered around a goal of seriously upgrading the competition to at least be in the same discussion of a school like Scranton or Loyola MD, which would seem like a reasonable goal. If administrators don't identify the school for what it is right now, no improvements will be forthcoming.

To be certain, to your point, academic capability isn't everything. It's widely reported that Mike Repole struggled through St. John's, and I don't think there are many people who would doubt the talent he has achieving the career success he has had to date. Thomas Edison is quoted as saying genius is 1% inspiration, and 99% perspiration.

You misread my post. The kids that attend Columbia or Brown have more gifted intelligence as is obvious by their high school test scores. They take basically the same courses as most students do at schools like SJ or Fordham. Because of their natural intelligence they do not have to work as hard to get that "A". Grades are also inflated more at many Ivies to protect their graduation rates and the legacy kids that attend. The ivy athletes are famous for taking wine courses and other dumbed downed courses. John F. Kennedy's son was famously dumb and took the NY Bar 200x before passing. The hardest part of attending many ivies is getting in and since most kids that enroll are in their top 10% most coast through school. The working class kids at SJ have no such luxury and it is unfair to compare them to the entitled children of America's 2%…
 
Why not get a jump start on his career which will, barring injury, make him far more money in a shorter amount of time than 98% of St. John's graduates will make.

But sadly there's a good chance he will make less money than 98% of St. John's graduates over the course of his life.

Probably not true. Phil Missere was making over 100k per season playing in England.

If Phil could net that, I'm sure JaKarr can match or exceed it playing in Europe. Honestly, I think it would be a waste of time for him to toil in the NBDL. Look at DJ Kennedy and Justin Brownlee. They consistently put up solid numbers and never get a chance.


How long was Phil making 100k and what did he do after that? If nothing else, Phil can fall back on his STJ degree. Jakarr can't.

And Euro ball is not the haven most think it is. Aside from the top tier clubs, it's a rag tag barnstorming group of teams along the lines of the ones STJ played last summer. Clubs fold left and right. If you're lucky you have a one-year contract that's honored. More than likely, you're just living game to game, paycheck to paycheck.

That's not necessarily a bad life when you're young and single. But those days are finite. Then what?

If Jakarr wants to he can get his degree after he is done playing. He will likely be making more money next year than the value of his scholarship. He definitely will be making more than tuition at a state school would cost. College isn't for everyone. Especially with the advancement of distance learning it really isn't a big deal if he doesn't have a diploma at the age of 22. Why waste 2 years of potential earnings when you can get the same degree, that you won't need until your career is done, 15 years down the road.
You took the words out of my mouth. There are a lot off un and underemployed college graduates. Whether he would have been on on NBA team if he stayed another year is any ones guess. Like others have said, he can always finish his degree.

It's not always that easy for everyone. If his career overseas fizzles out, is he really going to be able to afford to go back to school full time for 2 years? what if he has a family at that point and needs to support them? He seemed like a really bright kid with a good head on his shoulders, so I'm really hoping it pans out for him.

The easiest time to go to college, money or not, is when you are younger and don't have FT job responsibilities or family. I delayed grad school for a few years, and it was tough just taking 6 credits at night. To me, he's made a big mistake not hacking out a 4 year degree. Career opportunities in Europe would still have been there. The likelihood is that he will have limited earning potential playing overseas - certainly enough to live on, but not enough to coast when his playing days are over. To start a career at 35 without a college diploma will definitely limit your earning potential.
Jakaar couldn't even graduate HS w good enough grades to qualify. For all we know maybe the college workload is difficult for him and not his cup of tea. He had all the facts and made the decision he thaught was best for him. Whether it works out or not is another story.

To be fair, graduating HS and graduating St John's in some majors is about the same thing. I think all of us pretty much agree that poor academics figured into his decision to declare. Perhaps kids like him shouldn't be subjected to the rigors of playing a major sport and trying to tackle academics they aren't equipped to handle.

Your comments just described half of the college football players in America yet both sports and the kids that play them are subjected not by the colleges as many believe but by the NFL & NBA that use American colleges as their minor league at no cost to them to evaluate players.
I also think your comment "To be fair, graduating HS and graduating St John's in some majors is about the same thing" is condescending to our SJ students. Our kids may not be Ivy Leaguers but they likely have work harder to get their grades and will likely have to work harder at life because most people have that perception. I have worked with many Ivy Leaguers who majored in History who felt entitled once they got the job yet had to go through the same training process as the Iona or St. John's kid but they certainly did not work any harder.

Is it really worth discussing the 365th best college in America, and who brags about it in TV ads? Do you really think that SJU students work harder than those tackling an Ivy league curriculum? Do you think their curriculum is the same, therefore SJU students are outworking them? Or that somehow the 40% of Pell eligible students that comprise the student body compare with students at Fordham. Half of our discussions regarding a new university president were centered around a goal of seriously upgrading the competition to at least be in the same discussion of a school like Scranton or Loyola MD, which would seem like a reasonable goal. If administrators don't identify the school for what it is right now, no improvements will be forthcoming.

To be certain, to your point, academic capability isn't everything. It's widely reported that Mike Repole struggled through St. John's, and I don't think there are many people who would doubt the talent he has achieving the career success he has had to date. Thomas Edison is quoted as saying genius is 1% inspiration, and 99% perspiration.

You misread my post. The kids that attend Columbia or Brown have more gifted intelligence as is obvious by their high school test scores. They take basically the same courses as most students do at schools like SJ or Fordham. Because of their natural intelligence they do not have to work as hard to get that "A". Grades are also inflated more at many Ivies to protect their graduation rates and the legacy kids that attend. The ivy athletes are famous for taking wine courses and other dumbed downed courses. John F. Kennedy's son was famously dumb and took the NY Bar 200x before passing. The hardest part of attending many ivies is getting in and since most kids that enroll are in their top 10% most coast through school. The working class kids at SJ have no such luxury and it is unfair to compare them to the entitled children of America's 2%…

I do think the part of your post that is accurate is that students from prestigious families who could never get into an Ivy on their own merit are protected from failing out (although Ted Kennedy did get tossed for cheating), but to my knowledge the curriculums at some excellent schools are extremely rigorous and grades have to be earned. I was just at orientation for my kids school, and a panel of high flying students told how difficult freshmen year was for them academically. By and large, these kids were valedictorians, academically elite, well spoken, and grades were not handed out. Unfair to categorize Ivy's as schools infested with entitled children. An overwhelming percentage of students receive financial aid and came from the same families as you and I.
 
Why not get a jump start on his career which will, barring injury, make him far more money in a shorter amount of time than 98% of St. John's graduates will make.

But sadly there's a good chance he will make less money than 98% of St. John's graduates over the course of his life.

Probably not true. Phil Missere was making over 100k per season playing in England.

If Phil could net that, I'm sure JaKarr can match or exceed it playing in Europe. Honestly, I think it would be a waste of time for him to toil in the NBDL. Look at DJ Kennedy and Justin Brownlee. They consistently put up solid numbers and never get a chance.


How long was Phil making 100k and what did he do after that? If nothing else, Phil can fall back on his STJ degree. Jakarr can't.

And Euro ball is not the haven most think it is. Aside from the top tier clubs, it's a rag tag barnstorming group of teams along the lines of the ones STJ played last summer. Clubs fold left and right. If you're lucky you have a one-year contract that's honored. More than likely, you're just living game to game, paycheck to paycheck.

That's not necessarily a bad life when you're young and single. But those days are finite. Then what?

If Jakarr wants to he can get his degree after he is done playing. He will likely be making more money next year than the value of his scholarship. He definitely will be making more than tuition at a state school would cost. College isn't for everyone. Especially with the advancement of distance learning it really isn't a big deal if he doesn't have a diploma at the age of 22. Why waste 2 years of potential earnings when you can get the same degree, that you won't need until your career is done, 15 years down the road.
You took the words out of my mouth. There are a lot off un and underemployed college graduates. Whether he would have been on on NBA team if he stayed another year is any ones guess. Like others have said, he can always finish his degree.

It's not always that easy for everyone. If his career overseas fizzles out, is he really going to be able to afford to go back to school full time for 2 years? what if he has a family at that point and needs to support them? He seemed like a really bright kid with a good head on his shoulders, so I'm really hoping it pans out for him.

The easiest time to go to college, money or not, is when you are younger and don't have FT job responsibilities or family. I delayed grad school for a few years, and it was tough just taking 6 credits at night. To me, he's made a big mistake not hacking out a 4 year degree. Career opportunities in Europe would still have been there. The likelihood is that he will have limited earning potential playing overseas - certainly enough to live on, but not enough to coast when his playing days are over. To start a career at 35 without a college diploma will definitely limit your earning potential.
Jakaar couldn't even graduate HS w good enough grades to qualify. For all we know maybe the college workload is difficult for him and not his cup of tea. He had all the facts and made the decision he thaught was best for him. Whether it works out or not is another story.

To be fair, graduating HS and graduating St John's in some majors is about the same thing. I think all of us pretty much agree that poor academics figured into his decision to declare. Perhaps kids like him shouldn't be subjected to the rigors of playing a major sport and trying to tackle academics they aren't equipped to handle.

Your comments just described half of the college football players in America yet both sports and the kids that play them are subjected not by the colleges as many believe but by the NFL & NBA that use American colleges as their minor league at no cost to them to evaluate players.
I also think your comment "To be fair, graduating HS and graduating St John's in some majors is about the same thing" is condescending to our SJ students. Our kids may not be Ivy Leaguers but they likely have work harder to get their grades and will likely have to work harder at life because most people have that perception. I have worked with many Ivy Leaguers who majored in History who felt entitled once they got the job yet had to go through the same training process as the Iona or St. John's kid but they certainly did not work any harder.

Is it really worth discussing the 365th best college in America, and who brags about it in TV ads? Do you really think that SJU students work harder than those tackling an Ivy league curriculum? Do you think their curriculum is the same, therefore SJU students are outworking them? Or that somehow the 40% of Pell eligible students that comprise the student body compare with students at Fordham. Half of our discussions regarding a new university president were centered around a goal of seriously upgrading the competition to at least be in the same discussion of a school like Scranton or Loyola MD, which would seem like a reasonable goal. If administrators don't identify the school for what it is right now, no improvements will be forthcoming.

To be certain, to your point, academic capability isn't everything. It's widely reported that Mike Repole struggled through St. John's, and I don't think there are many people who would doubt the talent he has achieving the career success he has had to date. Thomas Edison is quoted as saying genius is 1% inspiration, and 99% perspiration.

You misread my post. The kids that attend Columbia or Brown have more gifted intelligence as is obvious by their high school test scores. They take basically the same courses as most students do at schools like SJ or Fordham. Because of their natural intelligence they do not have to work as hard to get that "A". Grades are also inflated more at many Ivies to protect their graduation rates and the legacy kids that attend. The ivy athletes are famous for taking wine courses and other dumbed downed courses. John F. Kennedy's son was famously dumb and took the NY Bar 200x before passing. The hardest part of attending many ivies is getting in and since most kids that enroll are in their top 10% most coast through school. The working class kids at SJ have no such luxury and it is unfair to compare them to the entitled children of America's 2%…

I do think the part of your post that is accurate is that students from prestigious families who could never get into an Ivy on their own merit are protected from failing out (although Ted Kennedy did get tossed for cheating), but to my knowledge the curriculums at some excellent schools are extremely rigorous and grades have to be earned. I was just at orientation for my kids school, and a panel of high flying students told how difficult freshmen year was for them academically. By and large, these kids were valedictorians, academically elite, well spoken, and grades were not handed out. Unfair to categorize Ivy's as schools infested with entitled children. An overwhelming percentage of students receive financial aid and came from the same families as you and I.

It is not unfair as there are less than 5% of students that come from first generation immigrant working class families that never attended college at Ivy schools. Now reverse that at St. John's when we attended and you will get the picture. But don't take my word for it, just go to the NY Times wedding announcements any Sunday and look at who the parents of Ivies are to get a snapshot. The Ivy schools are hemmoraghing money and if you are from ANY minority regardless of parental income you basically will get a free ride without an academic scholarship. Don 't get jaded by your experience at your kid's orientation as many redmen fans here would rather see their kid attend a junior college than alma mater and infest this site strictly for basketball addiction.
 
Fwiw;

@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.
 
Fwiw;

@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.

And he achieved that while only playing 18 minutes. Good for him, hope he pulls a miracle a gets a spot on the roster.
 
Fwiw;

@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.

And he achieved that while only playing 18 minutes. Good for him, hope he pulls a miracle a gets a spot on the roster.

At the very best, he is fighting for playing time in the DLeague, so you are right in hoping for a miracle. I really hope that this kid can make a living playing bball for the next 10 years or so - playing somewhere for money should be in his future.
 
Fwiw;

@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.

And he achieved that while only playing 18 minutes. Good for him, hope he pulls a miracle a gets a spot on the roster.

At the very best, he is fighting for playing time in the DLeague, so you are right in hoping for a miracle. I really hope that this kid can make a living playing bball for the next 10 years or so - playing somewhere for money should be in his future.

The guy who is acting as head coach for the 76ers summer league team is close friends with Lebron James. Can't hurt Jakarr's case.
 
Fwiw;

@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.

And he achieved that while only playing 18 minutes. Good for him, hope he pulls a miracle a gets a spot on the roster.




At the very best, he is fighting for playing time in the DLeague, so you are right in hoping for a miracle. I really hope that this kid can make a living playing bball for the next 10 years or so - playing somewhere for money should be in his future
The guy who is acting as head coach for the 76ers summer league team is close friends with Lebron James. Can't hurt Jakarr's case.
 
Fwiw;

@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.


Best game thus far. Wishing the best for this kid, always smiling.
 
I noticed Sampson hasn't played the past few games, and isn't even listed in the box score.


Anyone know whats up with this? Is he hurt? Did he get cut?
 
I noticed Sampson hasn't played the past few games, and isn't even listed in the box score.


Anyone know whats up with this? Is he hurt? Did he get cut?

According to a recent article the Las Vegas summer league roster for the 76ers is almost completely different than the Orlando summer league roster. Jakarr is not on the Vegas roster. 76ers looking at a lot of players.
 
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