Is Obekpa Next? No! He's staying!

[JohnnyFan]

There goal this year should be to win the League. And I have no doubt Lavin has the same goal.

Remember when they lost that game in Philly to Nova Coach said that he told the team he expected to meet them again in NY and beat them in the BE Championship.

Villanova deserves to be the pre-season no.1 but after Nova I can't see why anyone doesn't think SJU is right there with a Georgetown or maybe an Xavier and quite frankly better.

Now again Lavin has to coach them up (no doubt) but again let's not act like SJU was 5-13 last year either. They are returning most of their rotation players including potentially the best backcourt in the League from a team that went 10-8 and tied for 3rd and went 10-3 over their least 13 league games that included two losses on the road to Creighton on a last second 3 and Nova on a banked 3 Hail Mary by Ryan A.

Agree on many points. The problem is that we have the worst basketball coach in the Big East. There is absolutely no reason to believe that he has learned anything. He didn't learn after UCLA and he never showed any signs of "getting it" during last season. Get ready to scratch your head again (line-ups, time-outs, no offensive strategy, no inbound plays, etc, etc, etc.) .

Unless you have reason to believe that he has seen the light and, after all these years, he will begin doing these things better........???

Your beating of this dead horse and hyperbole is tiring. I have a feeling who is behind this screenname.

Hang in there, you'll get over it.

Take care.....until the next post you don't approve of.

 

[Andrew]

There goal this year should be to win the League. And I have no doubt Lavin has the same goal.

Remember when they lost that game in Philly to Nova Coach said that he told the team he expected to meet them again in NY and beat them in the BE Championship.

Villanova deserves to be the pre-season no.1 but after Nova I can't see why anyone doesn't think SJU is right there with a Georgetown or maybe an Xavier and quite frankly better.

Now again Lavin has to coach them up (no doubt) but again let's not act like SJU was 5-13 last year either. They are returning most of their rotation players including potentially the best backcourt in the League from a team that went 10-8 and tied for 3rd and went 10-3 over their least 13 league games that included two losses on the road to Creighton on a last second 3 and Nova on a banked 3 Hail Mary by Ryan A.

Agree on many points. The problem is that we have the worst basketball coach in the Big East. There is absolutely no reason to believe that he has learned anything. He didn't learn after UCLA and he never showed any signs of "getting it" during last season. Get ready to scratch your head again (line-ups, time-outs, no offensive strategy, no inbound plays, etc, etc, etc.) .

Unless you have reason to believe that he has seen the light and, after all these years, he will begin doing these things better........???

Your beating of this dead horse and hyperbole is tiring. I have a feeling who is behind this screenname.

Are you trying to say that Lavin is a good coach?

 

[MJDinkins]

There goal this year should be to win the League. And I have no doubt Lavin has the same goal.

Remember when they lost that game in Philly to Nova Coach said that he told the team he expected to meet them again in NY and beat them in the BE Championship.

Villanova deserves to be the pre-season no.1 but after Nova I can't see why anyone doesn't think SJU is right there with a Georgetown or maybe an Xavier and quite frankly better.

Now again Lavin has to coach them up (no doubt) but again let's not act like SJU was 5-13 last year either. They are returning most of their rotation players including potentially the best backcourt in the League from a team that went 10-8 and tied for 3rd and went 10-3 over their least 13 league games that included two losses on the road to Creighton on a last second 3 and Nova on a banked 3 Hail Mary by Ryan A.

Agree on many points. The problem is that we have the worst basketball coach in the Big East. There is absolutely no reason to believe that he has learned anything. He didn't learn after UCLA and he never showed any signs of "getting it" during last season. Get ready to scratch your head again (line-ups, time-outs, no offensive strategy, no inbound plays, etc, etc, etc.) .

Unless you have reason to believe that he has seen the light and, after all these years, he will begin doing these things better........???

Your beating of this dead horse and hyperbole is tiring. I have a feeling who is behind this screenname.

Are you trying to say that Lavin is a good coach?

Show me where I said such thing.... Thanks for building another one of your many straw man.

By the way, my posts were deleted, while a blatant flame/bait post remained.

 

[Andrew]

There goal this year should be to win the League. And I have no doubt Lavin has the same goal.

Remember when they lost that game in Philly to Nova Coach said that he told the team he expected to meet them again in NY and beat them in the BE Championship.

Villanova deserves to be the pre-season no.1 but after Nova I can't see why anyone doesn't think SJU is right there with a Georgetown or maybe an Xavier and quite frankly better.

Now again Lavin has to coach them up (no doubt) but again let's not act like SJU was 5-13 last year either. They are returning most of their rotation players including potentially the best backcourt in the League from a team that went 10-8 and tied for 3rd and went 10-3 over their least 13 league games that included two losses on the road to Creighton on a last second 3 and Nova on a banked 3 Hail Mary by Ryan A.

Agree on many points. The problem is that we have the worst basketball coach in the Big East. There is absolutely no reason to believe that he has learned anything. He didn't learn after UCLA and he never showed any signs of "getting it" during last season. Get ready to scratch your head again (line-ups, time-outs, no offensive strategy, no inbound plays, etc, etc, etc.) .

Unless you have reason to believe that he has seen the light and, after all these years, he will begin doing these things better........???

Your beating of this dead horse and hyperbole is tiring. I have a feeling who is behind this screenname.

Are you trying to say that Lavin is a good coach?

Show me where I said such thing.... Thanks for building another one of your many straw man.

By the way, my posts were deleted, while a blatant flame/bait post remained.

I have no idea why any of your posts got deleted. I don't mind them in any way.

 

[rawdognyc]

There goal this year should be to win the League. And I have no doubt Lavin has the same goal.

Remember when they lost that game in Philly to Nova Coach said that he told the team he expected to meet them again in NY and beat them in the BE Championship.

Villanova deserves to be the pre-season no.1 but after Nova I can't see why anyone doesn't think SJU is right there with a Georgetown or maybe an Xavier and quite frankly better.

Now again Lavin has to coach them up (no doubt) but again let's not act like SJU was 5-13 last year either. They are returning most of their rotation players including potentially the best backcourt in the League from a team that went 10-8 and tied for 3rd and went 10-3 over their least 13 league games that included two losses on the road to Creighton on a last second 3 and Nova on a banked 3 Hail Mary by Ryan A.

Agree on many points. The problem is that we have the worst basketball coach in the Big East. There is absolutely no reason to believe that he has learned anything. He didn't learn after UCLA and he never showed any signs of "getting it" during last season. Get ready to scratch your head again (line-ups, time-outs, no offensive strategy, no inbound plays, etc, etc, etc.) .

Unless you have reason to believe that he has seen the light and, after all these years, he will begin doing these things better........???

Your beating of this dead horse and hyperbole is tiring. I have a feeling who is behind this screenname.

Are you trying to say that Lavin is a good coach?

Show me where I said such thing.... Thanks for building another one of your many straw man.

By the way, my posts were deleted, while a blatant flame/bait post remained.

I wish they could figure out how to get the block function on here to work. I blocked johnnyfan weeks ago yet I'm forced to read the same shit different thread. We get it, Lavin is a bad coach. We will never win with him. Blah blah effn blah

 

[SJUalum98]

There goal this year should be to win the League. And I have no doubt Lavin has the same goal.

Remember when they lost that game in Philly to Nova Coach said that he told the team he expected to meet them again in NY and beat them in the BE Championship.

Villanova deserves to be the pre-season no.1 but after Nova I can't see why anyone doesn't think SJU is right there with a Georgetown or maybe an Xavier and quite frankly better.

Now again Lavin has to coach them up (no doubt) but again let's not act like SJU was 5-13 last year either. They are returning most of their rotation players including potentially the best backcourt in the League from a team that went 10-8 and tied for 3rd and went 10-3 over their least 13 league games that included two losses on the road to Creighton on a last second 3 and Nova on a banked 3 Hail Mary by Ryan A.

Agree on many points. The problem is that we have the worst basketball coach in the Big East. There is absolutely no reason to believe that he has learned anything. He didn't learn after UCLA and he never showed any signs of "getting it" during last season. Get ready to scratch your head again (line-ups, time-outs, no offensive strategy, no inbound plays, etc, etc, etc.) .

Unless you have reason to believe that he has seen the light and, after all these years, he will begin doing these things better........???

Your beating of this dead horse and hyperbole is tiring. I have a feeling who is behind this screenname.

Are you trying to say that Lavin is a good coach?

Show me where I said such thing.... Thanks for building another one of your many straw man.

By the way, my posts were deleted, while a blatant flame/bait post remained.

I wish they could figure out how to get the block function on here to work. I blocked johnnyfan weeks ago yet I'm forced to read the same shit different thread. We get it, Lavin is a bad coach. We will never win with him. Blah blah effn blah

This would make my day.

 

[Knight2]

Looks like a lot of this can go to the fire Lavan thread.
Or should there be a new thread and also question - What about some questions on the staff too?

 

[JohnnyFan]

There goal this year should be to win the League. And I have no doubt Lavin has the same goal.

Remember when they lost that game in Philly to Nova Coach said that he told the team he expected to meet them again in NY and beat them in the BE Championship.

Villanova deserves to be the pre-season no.1 but after Nova I can't see why anyone doesn't think SJU is right there with a Georgetown or maybe an Xavier and quite frankly better.

Now again Lavin has to coach them up (no doubt) but again let's not act like SJU was 5-13 last year either. They are returning most of their rotation players including potentially the best backcourt in the League from a team that went 10-8 and tied for 3rd and went 10-3 over their least 13 league games that included two losses on the road to Creighton on a last second 3 and Nova on a banked 3 Hail Mary by Ryan A.

Agree on many points. The problem is that we have the worst basketball coach in the Big East. There is absolutely no reason to believe that he has learned anything. He didn't learn after UCLA and he never showed any signs of "getting it" during last season. Get ready to scratch your head again (line-ups, time-outs, no offensive strategy, no inbound plays, etc, etc, etc.) .

Unless you have reason to believe that he has seen the light and, after all these years, he will begin doing these things better........???

Your beating of this dead horse and hyperbole is tiring. I have a feeling who is behind this screenname.

Are you trying to say that Lavin is a good coach?

Show me where I said such thing.... Thanks for building another one of your many straw man.

By the way, my posts were deleted, while a blatant flame/bait post remained.

I wish they could figure out how to get the block function on here to work. I blocked johnnyfan weeks ago yet I'm forced to read the same shit different thread. We get it, Lavin is a bad coach. We will never win with him. Blah blah effn blah

This would make my day.

So funny.

 

[bamafan]

The "unfinished business" line is tiring.

Unfinished business = there were no transfer opportunities out there for Greene and Obekpa and the dire outlook of having to sit out a year.

If they want to talk about unfinished business, they need to lock themselves into a gym and improve their games.

By all accounts, Obekpa had no shortage of transfer opportunities. Greene, probably not.

I'm relieved Obekpa is back. The bad news is that he is, by far, our highest-rated "recruit/transfer" for the class of 2014.

Obekpa had interest. And like I said, weighing them vs sitting out a year more than likely sealed the deal.

Phil, no one cares. As a senior, he would have to sit out a year to go to some mid major and possibly get less minutes than his overuse in MSG?

What business is unfinished? Losing in the first round of the NIT?

This is not a team that made a run in the NCAA tourney and got close to the prize.

This is a team that has underachieved and not accomplished anything in 3 years.

I'm just tired of all the talk. They read too many of their press clippings.

Hopefully with one or 2 more signings, this will be a more well rounded and balanced team.

I personally feel we will have a solid team this year if we land Thomas. With the BE being down, there is no reason not to be in the top three or four of the league. Lavin should be judged next year on whether or not he achieves that. (and of course securing an outstanding 15 class). On the sidelines he must step up and deliver. Underachieving with this veteran, guard rich squad is unacceptable. Of course all bets are off if we don't get a solid rebounder like Thomas.

If by all bets are off if we don't get a solid rebounder you mean we won't be a solid team and finish top 3-4 in league I agree. But if you mean Lavin gets off the hook by not achieving those goals because we don't have a rebounder I disagree as it will be on Lavin for failure to secure one. We are currently involved with numerous forwards who can help us and it is on Lavin to come thru.

 

[fordham96]

There goal this year should be to win the League. And I have no doubt Lavin has the same goal.

Remember when they lost that game in Philly to Nova Coach said that he told the team he expected to meet them again in NY and beat them in the BE Championship.

Villanova deserves to be the pre-season no.1 but after Nova I can't see why anyone doesn't think SJU is right there with a Georgetown or maybe an Xavier and quite frankly better.

Now again Lavin has to coach them up (no doubt) but again let's not act like SJU was 5-13 last year either. They are returning most of their rotation players including potentially the best backcourt in the League from a team that went 10-8 and tied for 3rd and went 10-3 over their least 13 league games that included two losses on the road to Creighton on a last second 3 and Nova on a banked 3 Hail Mary by Ryan A.

Agree on many points. The problem is that we have the worst basketball coach in the Big East. There is absolutely no reason to believe that he has learned anything. He didn't learn after UCLA and he never showed any signs of "getting it" during last season. Get ready to scratch your head again (line-ups, time-outs, no offensive strategy, no inbound plays, etc, etc, etc.) .

Unless you have reason to believe that he has seen the light and, after all these years, he will begin doing these things better........???

First off "we" don't have anything and this nonsense about having the worst coach is getting old. If that was the case SJU would be finishing dead last every year. Nobody believes that except for people who constantly whine and who think SJU is entitled to win every game and when they don't it is because Lavin stinks.

Give it a rest. Jay Wright went the first 3 years in the BE WIITHOUT making the NCAA's and that included brining in arguably the most heralded class ever at Nova (Ray, Fraser, Foye and Sumpter) after his 1st year. Then in the middle of his tenure he was 9-5 in the 2010-11 season before he lost 4 straight to end the regular season, lost to USF in the BE Tourney and then lost in the 1st round of the NCAA's. He followed up that 6 game losing streak by going 5-13 in the BE. Which means over a 22 game regular season stretch with top recruited talent Jay Wright went an unsightly 5-17, that is terrible for Seton Hall let alone what Jay had established at Nova. Even the next season saw an unsightly home loss to COLUMBIA...before he rallied for a 10-8 BE season. So over a 3 year stretch Jay went 24-30 in the BE. And that does not include the first 3 years where he failed to make the NCAA's. And don't tell me Jay and Villanova did not get top talent.

Bottom line is if most of you were honest you would have wanted Jay out at Villanova after 3 years and then most certainly would have been name calling him after the 5-13 season in 2011-12. But most of you are not honest. You simply see something go wrong and use terms like "worst" and "the worst" in a completely DISHONEST fashion. It is old.

 

[mjmaherjr]

There goal this year should be to win the League. And I have no doubt Lavin has the same goal.

Remember when they lost that game in Philly to Nova Coach said that he told the team he expected to meet them again in NY and beat them in the BE Championship.

Villanova deserves to be the pre-season no.1 but after Nova I can't see why anyone doesn't think SJU is right there with a Georgetown or maybe an Xavier and quite frankly better.

Now again Lavin has to coach them up (no doubt) but again let's not act like SJU was 5-13 last year either. They are returning most of their rotation players including potentially the best backcourt in the League from a team that went 10-8 and tied for 3rd and went 10-3 over their least 13 league games that included two losses on the road to Creighton on a last second 3 and Nova on a banked 3 Hail Mary by Ryan A.

Agree on many points. The problem is that we have the worst basketball coach in the Big East. There is absolutely no reason to believe that he has learned anything. He didn't learn after UCLA and he never showed any signs of "getting it" during last season. Get ready to scratch your head again (line-ups, time-outs, no offensive strategy, no inbound plays, etc, etc, etc.) .

Unless you have reason to believe that he has seen the light and, after all these years, he will begin doing these things better........???

Bottom line is if most of you were honest you would have wanted Jay out at Villanova after 3 years and then most certainly would have been name calling him after the 5-13 season in 2011-12. But most of you are not honest. You simply see something go wrong and use terms like "worst" and "the worst" in a completely DISHONEST fashion. It is old.

I haven't been calling for Lavin to get fired on the site but the Jay Wright Analogy is a little off because after Jay's 3rd year his big recruiting class were only soph's. Jay broke thru his 4th year and 3rd with those kids which was the Lavin equivalent of this year

Noone was really calling for Lavin to get fired after last season to the best of my knowledge and if they were it was only 1 or 2 people

 

[fordham96]

There goal this year should be to win the League. And I have no doubt Lavin has the same goal.

Remember when they lost that game in Philly to Nova Coach said that he told the team he expected to meet them again in NY and beat them in the BE Championship.

Villanova deserves to be the pre-season no.1 but after Nova I can't see why anyone doesn't think SJU is right there with a Georgetown or maybe an Xavier and quite frankly better.

Now again Lavin has to coach them up (no doubt) but again let's not act like SJU was 5-13 last year either. They are returning most of their rotation players including potentially the best backcourt in the League from a team that went 10-8 and tied for 3rd and went 10-3 over their least 13 league games that included two losses on the road to Creighton on a last second 3 and Nova on a banked 3 Hail Mary by Ryan A.

Agree on many points. The problem is that we have the worst basketball coach in the Big East. There is absolutely no reason to believe that he has learned anything. He didn't learn after UCLA and he never showed any signs of "getting it" during last season. Get ready to scratch your head again (line-ups, time-outs, no offensive strategy, no inbound plays, etc, etc, etc.) .

Unless you have reason to believe that he has seen the light and, after all these years, he will begin doing these things better........???

Bottom line is if most of you were honest you would have wanted Jay out at Villanova after 3 years and then most certainly would have been name calling him after the 5-13 season in 2011-12. But most of you are not honest. You simply see something go wrong and use terms like "worst" and "the worst" in a completely DISHONEST fashion. It is old.

I haven't been calling for Lavin to get fired on the site but the Jay Wright Analogy is a little off because after Jay's 3rd year his big recruiting class were only soph's. Jay broke thru his 4th year and 3rd with those kids which was the Lavin equivalent of this year

Noone was really calling for Lavin to get fired after last season to the best of my knowledge and if they were it was only 1 or 2 people

You don't understand though Lappas was not Norm Roberts. Lappas had a lot of success at Nova. Norm Roberts had NO success at SJU. Under Lappas it had gone down a bit his last few years. Plus Jay did not have to overhaul the entire roster after year 1.

Lastly that middle 3 years stretch especially after the 2011-12 season was not good with big talent anyway you slice it.

And I think SJU should have made the NCAA's this past year but going 20-11 and 10-8 is not a disaster. My point overall was Jay Wirght was never in danger of being fired and neither is Lavin and neither guys is close to being the worst coach in the league. Period. I understand not everything is perfectly analogous but the whiners cannot be honest and say, "Oh I knew all along after that 24-30 stretch and 5-13 season that Jay would bounce back with a 16-2 season that is why I would never complain if I were a Nova fan."

 

[Marillac]

There goal this year should be to win the League. And I have no doubt Lavin has the same goal.

Remember when they lost that game in Philly to Nova Coach said that he told the team he expected to meet them again in NY and beat them in the BE Championship.

Villanova deserves to be the pre-season no.1 but after Nova I can't see why anyone doesn't think SJU is right there with a Georgetown or maybe an Xavier and quite frankly better.

Now again Lavin has to coach them up (no doubt) but again let's not act like SJU was 5-13 last year either. They are returning most of their rotation players including potentially the best backcourt in the League from a team that went 10-8 and tied for 3rd and went 10-3 over their least 13 league games that included two losses on the road to Creighton on a last second 3 and Nova on a banked 3 Hail Mary by Ryan A.

Agree on many points. The problem is that we have the worst basketball coach in the Big East. There is absolutely no reason to believe that he has learned anything. He didn't learn after UCLA and he never showed any signs of "getting it" during last season. Get ready to scratch your head again (line-ups, time-outs, no offensive strategy, no inbound plays, etc, etc, etc.) .

Unless you have reason to believe that he has seen the light and, after all these years, he will begin doing these things better........???

Bottom line is if most of you were honest you would have wanted Jay out at Villanova after 3 years and then most certainly would have been name calling him after the 5-13 season in 2011-12. But most of you are not honest. You simply see something go wrong and use terms like "worst" and "the worst" in a completely DISHONEST fashion. It is old.

I haven't been calling for Lavin to get fired on the site but the Jay Wright Analogy is a little off because after Jay's 3rd year his big recruiting class were only soph's. Jay broke thru his 4th year and 3rd with those kids which was the Lavin equivalent of this year

Noone was really calling for Lavin to get fired after last season to the best of my knowledge and if they were it was only 1 or 2 people

True, but let's say Randy Foye went pro after year one and his top assistant left and he was forced to change schemes. That would have set them back a year.
Personally I see Lavin a lot like the old Ga Tech coach, Hewitt. Great recruiter, below average coach. Hewitt made the national championship game and then had some awful years. He didn't become a worse coach overnight. I think Lavin could put together a few deep runs here every so often and that is good enough for me. This is St. John's...not UK.

Lavin can get top talent, there is no question. When he's winning, he has a swagger on the recruiting trail that brings his game up a lot and he lands better players.

I believe:
the children are the future, treat them well and let them lead the way
Lavin will deliver a very good but less heralded recruiting class
Otis and the others who scream every time we play a team with a good under-recruited player will ironically not be happy with adding these non-top100 recruits
Lavin will deliver his best recruiting class next season

 

[fordham96]

And again this is not to excuse Lavin or say he is beyond criticism. Not at all.

But come on with this nonsense. Worst coach? Really? So you would trade him for ANY coach in the BE, really? OK. Because that is what that means.

if you don't believe that then don't say it to begin with.

 

[fordham96]

There goal this year should be to win the League. And I have no doubt Lavin has the same goal.

Remember when they lost that game in Philly to Nova Coach said that he told the team he expected to meet them again in NY and beat them in the BE Championship.

Villanova deserves to be the pre-season no.1 but after Nova I can't see why anyone doesn't think SJU is right there with a Georgetown or maybe an Xavier and quite frankly better.

Now again Lavin has to coach them up (no doubt) but again let's not act like SJU was 5-13 last year either. They are returning most of their rotation players including potentially the best backcourt in the League from a team that went 10-8 and tied for 3rd and went 10-3 over their least 13 league games that included two losses on the road to Creighton on a last second 3 and Nova on a banked 3 Hail Mary by Ryan A.

Agree on many points. The problem is that we have the worst basketball coach in the Big East. There is absolutely no reason to believe that he has learned anything. He didn't learn after UCLA and he never showed any signs of "getting it" during last season. Get ready to scratch your head again (line-ups, time-outs, no offensive strategy, no inbound plays, etc, etc, etc.) .

Unless you have reason to believe that he has seen the light and, after all these years, he will begin doing these things better........???

Bottom line is if most of you were honest you would have wanted Jay out at Villanova after 3 years and then most certainly would have been name calling him after the 5-13 season in 2011-12. But most of you are not honest. You simply see something go wrong and use terms like "worst" and "the worst" in a completely DISHONEST fashion. It is old.

I haven't been calling for Lavin to get fired on the site but the Jay Wright Analogy is a little off because after Jay's 3rd year his big recruiting class were only soph's. Jay broke thru his 4th year and 3rd with those kids which was the Lavin equivalent of this year

Noone was really calling for Lavin to get fired after last season to the best of my knowledge and if they were it was only 1 or 2 people

True, but let's say Randy Foye went pro after year one and his top assistant left and he was forced to change schemes. That would have set them back a year.
Personally I see Lavin a lot like the old Ga Tech coach, Hewitt. Great recruiter, below average coach. Hewitt made the national championship game and then had some awful years. He didn't become a worse coach overnight. I think Lavin could put together a few deep runs here every so often and that is good enough for me. This is St. John's...not UK.

Lavin can get top talent, there is no question. When he's winning, he has a swagger on the recruiting trail that brings his game up a lot and he lands better players.

I believe:
the children are the future, treat them well and let them lead the way
Lavin will deliver a very good but less heralded recruiting class
Otis and the others who scream every time we play a team with a good under-recruited player will ironically not be happy with adding these non-top100 recruits
Lavin will deliver his best recruiting class next season

Great point about leaving early. How good would Harkless be right now and no one had him projected out of HS as a one and done?

I think Lavs is better then Hewitt. And I think SJU is going to be really good this year and then as Marillac says he is going to follow up this year with a monster 2015 class.

Did SJU get the next Wooden 4 years ago? No. But considering what was available then and now he is by far the best option and imho will prove it.

 

[paultzman]

The "unfinished business" line is tiring.

Unfinished business = there were no transfer opportunities out there for Greene and Obekpa and the dire outlook of having to sit out a year.

If they want to talk about unfinished business, they need to lock themselves into a gym and improve their games.

By all accounts, Obekpa had no shortage of transfer opportunities. Greene, probably not.

I'm relieved Obekpa is back. The bad news is that he is, by far, our highest-rated "recruit/transfer" for the class of 2014.

Obekpa had interest. And like I said, weighing them vs sitting out a year more than likely sealed the deal.

Phil, no one cares. As a senior, he would have to sit out a year to go to some mid major and possibly get less minutes than his overuse in MSG?

What business is unfinished? Losing in the first round of the NIT?

This is not a team that made a run in the NCAA tourney and got close to the prize.

This is a team that has underachieved and not accomplished anything in 3 years.

I'm just tired of all the talk. They read too many of their press clippings.

Hopefully with one or 2 more signings, this will be a more well rounded and balanced team.

I personally feel we will have a solid team this year if we land Thomas. With the BE being down, there is no reason not to be in the top three or four of the league. Lavin should be judged next year on whether or not he achieves that. (and of course securing an outstanding 15 class). On the sidelines he must step up and deliver. Underachieving with this veteran, guard rich squad is unacceptable. Of course all bets are off if we don't get a solid rebounder like Thomas.

If by all bets are off if we don't get a solid rebounder you mean we won't be a solid team and finish top 3-4 in league I agree. But if you mean Lavin gets off the hook by not achieving those goals because we don't have a rebounder I disagree as it will be on Lavin for failure to secure one. We are currently involved with numerous forwards who can help us and it is on Lavin to come thru.

Meant the former point you raised. I am not inferring SL should be off the hook at all.

 

[mjmaherjr]

And again this is not to excuse Lavin or say he is beyond criticism. Not at all.

But come on with this nonsense. Worst coach? Really? So you would trade him for ANY coach in the BE, really? OK. Because that is what that means.

if you don't believe that then don't say it to begin with.

This I agree with. I don't think he's the worst coach in the Big East

But there was a lot wrong about last season.

Coach needs to put up an NCAA year this year. Absolutely no excuses

 

[mjmaherjr]

There goal this year should be to win the League. And I have no doubt Lavin has the same goal.

Remember when they lost that game in Philly to Nova Coach said that he told the team he expected to meet them again in NY and beat them in the BE Championship.

Villanova deserves to be the pre-season no.1 but after Nova I can't see why anyone doesn't think SJU is right there with a Georgetown or maybe an Xavier and quite frankly better.

Now again Lavin has to coach them up (no doubt) but again let's not act like SJU was 5-13 last year either. They are returning most of their rotation players including potentially the best backcourt in the League from a team that went 10-8 and tied for 3rd and went 10-3 over their least 13 league games that included two losses on the road to Creighton on a last second 3 and Nova on a banked 3 Hail Mary by Ryan A.

Agree on many points. The problem is that we have the worst basketball coach in the Big East. There is absolutely no reason to believe that he has learned anything. He didn't learn after UCLA and he never showed any signs of "getting it" during last season. Get ready to scratch your head again (line-ups, time-outs, no offensive strategy, no inbound plays, etc, etc, etc.) .

Unless you have reason to believe that he has seen the light and, after all these years, he will begin doing these things better........???

Bottom line is if most of you were honest you would have wanted Jay out at Villanova after 3 years and then most certainly would have been name calling him after the 5-13 season in 2011-12. But most of you are not honest. You simply see something go wrong and use terms like "worst" and "the worst" in a completely DISHONEST fashion. It is old.

I haven't been calling for Lavin to get fired on the site but the Jay Wright Analogy is a little off because after Jay's 3rd year his big recruiting class were only soph's. Jay broke thru his 4th year and 3rd with those kids which was the Lavin equivalent of this year

Noone was really calling for Lavin to get fired after last season to the best of my knowledge and if they were it was only 1 or 2 people

True, but let's say Randy Foye went pro after year one and his top assistant left and he was forced to change schemes. That would have set them back a year.
Personally I see Lavin a lot like the old Ga Tech coach, Hewitt. Great recruiter, below average coach. Hewitt made the national championship game and then had some awful years. He didn't become a worse coach overnight. I think Lavin could put together a few deep runs here every so often and that is good enough for me. This is St. John's...not UK.

Lavin can get top talent, there is no question. When he's winning, he has a swagger on the recruiting trail that brings his game up a lot and he lands better players.

I believe:
the children are the future, treat them well and let them lead the way
Lavin will deliver a very good but less heralded recruiting class
Otis and the others who scream every time we play a team with a good under-recruited player will ironically not be happy with adding these non-top100 recruits
Lavin will deliver his best recruiting class next season

I agree with a lot of what you just said. Dunlap leaving though is no excuse for Lavin because he left 2 years ago. It's not like he left before last season and Coach had to scramble to figure out a game plan and he has Gene Freaking Keady sitting next to him

Coach recruited ALOT of talent after Harkless. Yeah how good would we have been with Harlkless but every coach has kids leave early. Without Harkless with all the talent we had there isn't an excuse in the world I want to hear ( not saying from you ) for us not making the NCAA's last year.

I'd love for Coach to win big here and be here another 30 years. But we need to make NCAA's next year because a 4 year cycle of his own players and no ncaa's is unacceptable for any coach in my opinion and after next year due to how our schollies line up we start an entire new cycle the following year from scratch almost

 

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There goal this year should be to win the League. And I have no doubt Lavin has the same goal.

Remember when they lost that game in Philly to Nova Coach said that he told the team he expected to meet them again in NY and beat them in the BE Championship.

Villanova deserves to be the pre-season no.1 but after Nova I can't see why anyone doesn't think SJU is right there with a Georgetown or maybe an Xavier and quite frankly better.

Now again Lavin has to coach them up (no doubt) but again let's not act like SJU was 5-13 last year either. They are returning most of their rotation players including potentially the best backcourt in the League from a team that went 10-8 and tied for 3rd and went 10-3 over their least 13 league games that included two losses on the road to Creighton on a last second 3 and Nova on a banked 3 Hail Mary by Ryan A.

Agree on many points. The problem is that we have the worst basketball coach in the Big East. There is absolutely no reason to believe that he has learned anything. He didn't learn after UCLA and he never showed any signs of "getting it" during last season. Get ready to scratch your head again (line-ups, time-outs, no offensive strategy, no inbound plays, etc, etc, etc.) .

Unless you have reason to believe that he has seen the light and, after all these years, he will begin doing these things better........???

Bottom line is if most of you were honest you would have wanted Jay out at Villanova after 3 years and then most certainly would have been name calling him after the 5-13 season in 2011-12. But most of you are not honest. You simply see something go wrong and use terms like "worst" and "the worst" in a completely DISHONEST fashion. It is old.

I haven't been calling for Lavin to get fired on the site but the Jay Wright Analogy is a little off because after Jay's 3rd year his big recruiting class were only soph's. Jay broke thru his 4th year and 3rd with those kids which was the Lavin equivalent of this year

Noone was really calling for Lavin to get fired after last season to the best of my knowledge and if they were it was only 1 or 2 people

True, but let's say Randy Foye went pro after year one and his top assistant left and he was forced to change schemes. That would have set them back a year.
Personally I see Lavin a lot like the old Ga Tech coach, Hewitt. Great recruiter, below average coach. Hewitt made the national championship game and then had some awful years. He didn't become a worse coach overnight. I think Lavin could put together a few deep runs here every so often and that is good enough for me. This is St. John's...not UK.

Lavin can get top talent, there is no question. When he's winning, he has a swagger on the recruiting trail that brings his game up a lot and he lands better players.

I believe:
the children are the future, treat them well and let them lead the way
Lavin will deliver a very good but less heralded recruiting class
Otis and the others who scream every time we play a team with a good under-recruited player will ironically not be happy with adding these non-top100 recruits
Lavin will deliver his best recruiting class next season

I agree with a lot of what you just said. Dunlap leaving though is no excuse for Lavin because he left 2 years ago. It's not like he left before last season and Coach had to scramble to figure out a game plan and he has Gene Freaking Keady sitting next to him

Coach recruited ALOT of talent after Harkless. Yeah how good would we have been with Harlkless but every coach has kids leave early. Without Harkless with all the talent we had there isn't an excuse in the world I want to hear ( not saying from you ) for us not making the NCAA's last year.

I'd love for Coach to win big here and be here another 30 years. But we need to make NCAA's next year because a 4 year cycle of his own players and no ncaa's is unacceptable for any coach in my opinion and after next year due to how our schollies line up we start an entire new cycle the following year from scratch almost

Agree

 

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Nextyear, the first player that gives problems should be sat, and remain on the bench for the rest of the season. Players sabotaging our season each year should be unacceptable.