In The end, It All Makes Sense

[1and1sju]

We get the better opposition, and lose to them all. And it all makes sense. I hang with an older crowd. Some former college players who knocked around the game for years, assistants in junior college. No big deal, but they know the game. I talk up our talent, and who Lavin beat out to get them. They laugh. If these guys were as good as you say, they tell me, they would be at Kentucky, Duke or Kansas. But we out recruited Kansas for Sampson. They laugh again, and say that if Kansas really coveted Sampson, he would be at Kansas. They need to fill out their bench too, and why not take a flyer on a high level athlete that can sit and learn from a good staff, and not be asked for much. So, they say, they and their handlers know that what Lavin is selling sounds good-they can start at SJU and be the man. But what about NBA ready Sanchez? They laugh at the story that he just wants to experience college life. They say he probably needs a season of college to showcase what he has for a chance at a career in Europe. If he was NBA ready, he would have signed years ago. We talk of Branch and Hooper. Couldn't get minutes at Texas A&M at Harvard? Forget the reasons you read. They couldn't get minutes because they weren't good enough.

I ask you this...if your friends are so insightful and knowledgable of the game, why were they only assistants at the JC level? I would think that if they are that good a coach and have that great of a basketball mind, the D1 colleges would be all over them to hire them.

Saying that a team really didn't want a player, after the fact that they couldn't sign him is nothing more than an excuse. You say that if all those high profile schools really wanted players, they would get them? Look at Emmanuel Mudiay, currently the no. 5 recruit in 2014. He is going to southern Methodist. He chose Southern Methodist even though he had offers from Baylor, Kansas, Kentucky, and Oklahoma State. So you are saying that those other schools didn't really have an interest in the 5th best player in his class, because if they really wanted him, they would have gotten him?
Can any poster on this board sit here and say that we didn't really want Amile Jefferson or Isiah Whitehead, or any other recruit that we missed out on?

You mention Sanchez and that if he was NBA ready he would have signed years ago. Guess what? Maybe he wasn't NBA ready years ago. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he grew or improved over the last couple years. During every one of our games that is on tv, the announcers always mention how his size and skillset are something that NBA GM's and scouts are looking at. Do they ever say that he is going to be a lottery pick? No. But they do say that the potential and talent is there.

But I'm sure your friends are right. Through their years of experience at the JC level, they obviously know more about the game than the Calipari's and Bill Self's and the NBA GM's/scout's of the world.

1. I am not familiar with the particulars of the Mudiay recruitment. Apparently you believe that it is both offensive and outrageous to conclude that a player choosing SJU over Kansas indicates that it is not a player Kansas desperately wanted. I found their comments so clearly obvious that it truly only offers insight to those blinded to loyalty. Yes, SJU, every so often, will get a recruit that the top programs covet beyond all others. Over 30 years ago, Looie signed Chris Mullin, who was coveted by Duke. Of course, Chris was a local kid who wanted to stay home and knew Looie since he was 9 years old. At some point, I hope, there will be a spectacular player who is from NY and whose father played for SJU, or who knew Lavin since he was a toddler and played on his garage mounted hoop since he was 8 years old. In other words, there will be particular circumstances, on those very rare occasions, that sway a can't miss talent our way. But most times, not.

2. As for Sanchez, does he look NBA ready to you? Yes, he is 6'8 and plays basketball for a Big East school. Therefore, there is a chance he one day plays in the NBA. I also hear Jennifer Lawrence likes guys with brown hair, which puts me in the running to be her next lover. I would rate Sanchez' chances of playing in the NBA much higher than my chances of dating Jennifer Lawrence, but I wouldn't bet on either. Which gets to their other outrageous and offensive statement: that you have to be a little leery of any coach-speak or media hype claiming that a 25 year old is NBA ready but chose college because he likes the camaraderie only achieved through campus life.

When you watch Sampson, do you think he starts for Kansas, even in this down year for them? When you see Sanchez, do you think the NBA can't find better options for their roster who also happen to be 21 and not 26 by draft day? Just asking.

I must have missed Kansas's down year. I think they have as good a shot as anyone to be in the Final Four.
Otherwise, I agree with what you're saying.

 

[Ray Morgan]

We get the better opposition, and lose to them all. And it all makes sense. I hang with an older crowd. Some former college players who knocked around the game for years, assistants in junior college. No big deal, but they know the game. I talk up our talent, and who Lavin beat out to get them. They laugh. If these guys were as good as you say, they tell me, they would be at Kentucky, Duke or Kansas. But we out recruited Kansas for Sampson. They laugh again, and say that if Kansas really coveted Sampson, he would be at Kansas. They need to fill out their bench too, and why not take a flyer on a high level athlete that can sit and learn from a good staff, and not be asked for much. So, they say, they and their handlers know that what Lavin is selling sounds good-they can start at SJU and be the man. But what about NBA ready Sanchez? They laugh at the story that he just wants to experience college life. They say he probably needs a season of college to showcase what he has for a chance at a career in Europe. If he was NBA ready, he would have signed years ago. We talk of Branch and Hooper. Couldn't get minutes at Texas A&M at Harvard? Forget the reasons you read. They couldn't get minutes because they weren't good enough.

I ask you this...if your friends are so insightful and knowledgable of the game, why were they only assistants at the JC level? I would think that if they are that good a coach and have that great of a basketball mind, the D1 colleges would be all over them to hire them.

Saying that a team really didn't want a player, after the fact that they couldn't sign him is nothing more than an excuse. You say that if all those high profile schools really wanted players, they would get them? Look at Emmanuel Mudiay, currently the no. 5 recruit in 2014. He is going to southern Methodist. He chose Southern Methodist even though he had offers from Baylor, Kansas, Kentucky, and Oklahoma State. So you are saying that those other schools didn't really have an interest in the 5th best player in his class, because if they really wanted him, they would have gotten him?
Can any poster on this board sit here and say that we didn't really want Amile Jefferson or Isiah Whitehead, or any other recruit that we missed out on?

You mention Sanchez and that if he was NBA ready he would have signed years ago. Guess what? Maybe he wasn't NBA ready years ago. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he grew or improved over the last couple years. During every one of our games that is on tv, the announcers always mention how his size and skillset are something that NBA GM's and scouts are looking at. Do they ever say that he is going to be a lottery pick? No. But they do say that the potential and talent is there.

But I'm sure your friends are right. Through their years of experience at the JC level, they obviously know more about the game than the Calipari's and Bill Self's and the NBA GM's/scout's of the world.

1. I am not familiar with the particulars of the Mudiay recruitment. Apparently you believe that it is both offensive and outrageous to conclude that a player choosing SJU over Kansas indicates that it is not a player Kansas desperately wanted. I found their comments so clearly obvious that it truly only offers insight to those blinded to loyalty. Yes, SJU, every so often, will get a recruit that the top programs covet beyond all others. Over 30 years ago, Looie signed Chris Mullin, who was coveted by Duke. Of course, Chris was a local kid who wanted to stay home and knew Looie since he was 9 years old. At some point, I hope, there will be a spectacular player who is from NY and whose father played for SJU, or who knew Lavin since he was a toddler and played on his garage mounted hoop since he was 8 years old. In other words, there will be particular circumstances, on those very rare occasions, that sway a can't miss talent our way. But most times, not.

2. As for Sanchez, does he look NBA ready to you? Yes, he is 6'8 and plays basketball for a Big East school. Therefore, there is a chance he one day plays in the NBA. I also hear Jennifer Lawrence likes guys with brown hair, which puts me in the running to be her next lover. I would rate Sanchez' chances of playing in the NBA much higher than my chances of dating Jennifer Lawrence, but I wouldn't bet on either. Which gets to their other outrageous and offensive statement: that you have to be a little leery of any coach-speak or media hype claiming that a 25 year old is NBA ready but chose college because he likes the camaraderie only achieved through campus life.

When you watch Sampson, do you think he starts for Kansas, even in this down year for them? When you see Sanchez, do you think the NBA can't find better options for their roster who also happen to be 21 and not 26 by draft day? Just asking.

I must have missed Kansas's down year. I think they have as good a shot as anyone to be in the Final Four.

What do they have, 4 losses so far. That's a down year for them at this point in the season. How do you see Sampson fitting in with them?

 

[Jack Williams]

We get the better opposition, and lose to them all. And it all makes sense. I hang with an older crowd. Some former college players who knocked around the game for years, assistants in junior college. No big deal, but they know the game. I talk up our talent, and who Lavin beat out to get them. They laugh. If these guys were as good as you say, they tell me, they would be at Kentucky, Duke or Kansas. But we out recruited Kansas for Sampson. They laugh again, and say that if Kansas really coveted Sampson, he would be at Kansas. They need to fill out their bench too, and why not take a flyer on a high level athlete that can sit and learn from a good staff, and not be asked for much. So, they say, they and their handlers know that what Lavin is selling sounds good-they can start at SJU and be the man. But what about NBA ready Sanchez? They laugh at the story that he just wants to experience college life. They say he probably needs a season of college to showcase what he has for a chance at a career in Europe. If he was NBA ready, he would have signed years ago. We talk of Branch and Hooper. Couldn't get minutes at Texas A&M at Harvard? Forget the reasons you read. They couldn't get minutes because they weren't good enough.

I ask you this...if your friends are so insightful and knowledgable of the game, why were they only assistants at the JC level? I would think that if they are that good a coach and have that great of a basketball mind, the D1 colleges would be all over them to hire them.

Saying that a team really didn't want a player, after the fact that they couldn't sign him is nothing more than an excuse. You say that if all those high profile schools really wanted players, they would get them? Look at Emmanuel Mudiay, currently the no. 5 recruit in 2014. He is going to southern Methodist. He chose Southern Methodist even though he had offers from Baylor, Kansas, Kentucky, and Oklahoma State. So you are saying that those other schools didn't really have an interest in the 5th best player in his class, because if they really wanted him, they would have gotten him?
Can any poster on this board sit here and say that we didn't really want Amile Jefferson or Isiah Whitehead, or any other recruit that we missed out on?

You mention Sanchez and that if he was NBA ready he would have signed years ago. Guess what? Maybe he wasn't NBA ready years ago. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he grew or improved over the last couple years. During every one of our games that is on tv, the announcers always mention how his size and skillset are something that NBA GM's and scouts are looking at. Do they ever say that he is going to be a lottery pick? No. But they do say that the potential and talent is there.

But I'm sure your friends are right. Through their years of experience at the JC level, they obviously know more about the game than the Calipari's and Bill Self's and the NBA GM's/scout's of the world.

1. I am not familiar with the particulars of the Mudiay recruitment. Apparently you believe that it is both offensive and outrageous to conclude that a player choosing SJU over Kansas indicates that it is not a player Kansas desperately wanted. I found their comments so clearly obvious that it truly only offers insight to those blinded to loyalty. Yes, SJU, every so often, will get a recruit that the top programs covet beyond all others. Over 30 years ago, Looie signed Chris Mullin, who was coveted by Duke. Of course, Chris was a local kid who wanted to stay home and knew Looie since he was 9 years old. At some point, I hope, there will be a spectacular player who is from NY and whose father played for SJU, or who knew Lavin since he was a toddler and played on his garage mounted hoop since he was 8 years old. In other words, there will be particular circumstances, on those very rare occasions, that sway a can't miss talent our way. But most times, not.

2. As for Sanchez, does he look NBA ready to you? Yes, he is 6'8 and plays basketball for a Big East school. Therefore, there is a chance he one day plays in the NBA. I also hear Jennifer Lawrence likes guys with brown hair, which puts me in the running to be her next lover. I would rate Sanchez' chances of playing in the NBA much higher than my chances of dating Jennifer Lawrence, but I wouldn't bet on either. Which gets to their other outrageous and offensive statement: that you have to be a little leery of any coach-speak or media hype claiming that a 25 year old is NBA ready but chose college because he likes the camaraderie only achieved through campus life.

When you watch Sampson, do you think he starts for Kansas, even in this down year for them? When you see Sanchez, do you think the NBA can't find better options for their roster who also happen to be 21 and not 26 by draft day? Just asking.

I must have missed Kansas's down year. I think they have as good a shot as anyone to be in the Final Four.

What do they have, 4 losses so far. That's a down year for them at this point in the season. How do you see Sampson fitting in with them?

Did you watch them last night? They are young, but are figuring it out, and will be in the top 10 probably top 5 by end of the year.

As for Sampson, he probably doesn't play for Kansas at all. Could see him riding bench easily.

 

[Andrew]

We get the better opposition, and lose to them all. And it all makes sense. I hang with an older crowd. Some former college players who knocked around the game for years, assistants in junior college. No big deal, but they know the game. I talk up our talent, and who Lavin beat out to get them. They laugh. If these guys were as good as you say, they tell me, they would be at Kentucky, Duke or Kansas. But we out recruited Kansas for Sampson. They laugh again, and say that if Kansas really coveted Sampson, he would be at Kansas. They need to fill out their bench too, and why not take a flyer on a high level athlete that can sit and learn from a good staff, and not be asked for much. So, they say, they and their handlers know that what Lavin is selling sounds good-they can start at SJU and be the man. But what about NBA ready Sanchez? They laugh at the story that he just wants to experience college life. They say he probably needs a season of college to showcase what he has for a chance at a career in Europe. If he was NBA ready, he would have signed years ago. We talk of Branch and Hooper. Couldn't get minutes at Texas A&M at Harvard? Forget the reasons you read. They couldn't get minutes because they weren't good enough.

I ask you this...if your friends are so insightful and knowledgable of the game, why were they only assistants at the JC level? I would think that if they are that good a coach and have that great of a basketball mind, the D1 colleges would be all over them to hire them.

Saying that a team really didn't want a player, after the fact that they couldn't sign him is nothing more than an excuse. You say that if all those high profile schools really wanted players, they would get them? Look at Emmanuel Mudiay, currently the no. 5 recruit in 2014. He is going to southern Methodist. He chose Southern Methodist even though he had offers from Baylor, Kansas, Kentucky, and Oklahoma State. So you are saying that those other schools didn't really have an interest in the 5th best player in his class, because if they really wanted him, they would have gotten him?
Can any poster on this board sit here and say that we didn't really want Amile Jefferson or Isiah Whitehead, or any other recruit that we missed out on?

You mention Sanchez and that if he was NBA ready he would have signed years ago. Guess what? Maybe he wasn't NBA ready years ago. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he grew or improved over the last couple years. During every one of our games that is on tv, the announcers always mention how his size and skillset are something that NBA GM's and scouts are looking at. Do they ever say that he is going to be a lottery pick? No. But they do say that the potential and talent is there.

But I'm sure your friends are right. Through their years of experience at the JC level, they obviously know more about the game than the Calipari's and Bill Self's and the NBA GM's/scout's of the world.

1. I am not familiar with the particulars of the Mudiay recruitment. Apparently you believe that it is both offensive and outrageous to conclude that a player choosing SJU over Kansas indicates that it is not a player Kansas desperately wanted. I found their comments so clearly obvious that it truly only offers insight to those blinded to loyalty. Yes, SJU, every so often, will get a recruit that the top programs covet beyond all others. Over 30 years ago, Looie signed Chris Mullin, who was coveted by Duke. Of course, Chris was a local kid who wanted to stay home and knew Looie since he was 9 years old. At some point, I hope, there will be a spectacular player who is from NY and whose father played for SJU, or who knew Lavin since he was a toddler and played on his garage mounted hoop since he was 8 years old. In other words, there will be particular circumstances, on those very rare occasions, that sway a can't miss talent our way. But most times, not.

2. As for Sanchez, does he look NBA ready to you? Yes, he is 6'8 and plays basketball for a Big East school. Therefore, there is a chance he one day plays in the NBA. I also hear Jennifer Lawrence likes guys with brown hair, which puts me in the running to be her next lover. I would rate Sanchez' chances of playing in the NBA much higher than my chances of dating Jennifer Lawrence, but I wouldn't bet on either. Which gets to their other outrageous and offensive statement: that you have to be a little leery of any coach-speak or media hype claiming that a 25 year old is NBA ready but chose college because he likes the camaraderie only achieved through campus life.

When you watch Sampson, do you think he starts for Kansas, even in this down year for them? When you see Sanchez, do you think the NBA can't find better options for their roster who also happen to be 21 and not 26 by draft day? Just asking.

I must have missed Kansas's down year. I think they have as good a shot as anyone to be in the Final Four.

What do they have, 4 losses so far. That's a down year for them at this point in the season. How do you see Sampson fitting in with them?

I could see him getting 8-10 minutes riding the pine at San Diego State with our old friend Dwayne Polee.

 

[monte]

Christmas weekend I met Duane Woodward ( on tom pecora's staff at Fordham) at a friend from B. C. Athletics Dept who was having a holiday party.After trash talking for 15 minutes about how we ran them out the gym he gave me some interesting insight about their pregame prep. 1. he believed Jordan was a game changer for our program going forward. 2. They spent absolutley zero minutes prepping for Orlando. He didnt think he had the right mindset for success in this league. Said he looked confused on the court. 3. Doesnt believe Lavin is the answer. He doesnt think he's a bad coach, but didnt think he was the savior i was making him out to be (I was a few gin and tonics in so I may have been overzealous in my praise of Lavin)He didnt say who was, but he thought NYC kids were being over looked. 4. He believes only Jordan and Sampson have a shot at the NBA. I was suprised he didnt believe C. O can go

May not be anything we didnt know, but interesting to hear an opponents assesment of our program.

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I never got and still don't get all the talk around here about CO and the NBA. He has yet to exhibit any offensive skills and is not much of a rebounder or defender. He's an undersized(by NBA standards) shot blocker. What am I missing????????????????

Well I believe he can develop into NBA talent. He has two things you cant coach Lenth and Timing. He's terrible at rebounding. Thats simply about positioning and desire and can be fixed. and he needs to add some muscle mass. We have to remember this kid hasnt been playing Basketball for that long. He would have to develop over the next two years.

Is he a lock for the NBA ? No. But he can definitely develop into a prospect by the end of his career. I see his ceiling as Serge Ibaka on the Thunder.

The most important asset that can't be coached, and for someone with his skill set, is height. And by NBA standards he's not tall at 6'8"(maybe). The kid is just so raw that it would take a phenomenal amount of improvement for him to develop in to an NBA player. And so far we haven't seen any improvement at all. I'm not saying the NBA is out of the realm of possibility, but at this point I'm just hoping he develops in to a serviceable college center.

Let me ask you this: If you are an NBA GM and by his senior year He is averaging 8 pts 10 rebounds and 4.5 blocks a game... Would you spend a 1st or 2nd rd pick on him? (trust me I know those number are far fetched)

A lot would depend on his actual height but possibly mid-late 2nd round.

 

[1and1sju]

We get the better opposition, and lose to them all. And it all makes sense. I hang with an older crowd. Some former college players who knocked around the game for years, assistants in junior college. No big deal, but they know the game. I talk up our talent, and who Lavin beat out to get them. They laugh. If these guys were as good as you say, they tell me, they would be at Kentucky, Duke or Kansas. But we out recruited Kansas for Sampson. They laugh again, and say that if Kansas really coveted Sampson, he would be at Kansas. They need to fill out their bench too, and why not take a flyer on a high level athlete that can sit and learn from a good staff, and not be asked for much. So, they say, they and their handlers know that what Lavin is selling sounds good-they can start at SJU and be the man. But what about NBA ready Sanchez? They laugh at the story that he just wants to experience college life. They say he probably needs a season of college to showcase what he has for a chance at a career in Europe. If he was NBA ready, he would have signed years ago. We talk of Branch and Hooper. Couldn't get minutes at Texas A&M at Harvard? Forget the reasons you read. They couldn't get minutes because they weren't good enough.

I ask you this...if your friends are so insightful and knowledgable of the game, why were they only assistants at the JC level? I would think that if they are that good a coach and have that great of a basketball mind, the D1 colleges would be all over them to hire them.

Saying that a team really didn't want a player, after the fact that they couldn't sign him is nothing more than an excuse. You say that if all those high profile schools really wanted players, they would get them? Look at Emmanuel Mudiay, currently the no. 5 recruit in 2014. He is going to southern Methodist. He chose Southern Methodist even though he had offers from Baylor, Kansas, Kentucky, and Oklahoma State. So you are saying that those other schools didn't really have an interest in the 5th best player in his class, because if they really wanted him, they would have gotten him?
Can any poster on this board sit here and say that we didn't really want Amile Jefferson or Isiah Whitehead, or any other recruit that we missed out on?

You mention Sanchez and that if he was NBA ready he would have signed years ago. Guess what? Maybe he wasn't NBA ready years ago. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he grew or improved over the last couple years. During every one of our games that is on tv, the announcers always mention how his size and skillset are something that NBA GM's and scouts are looking at. Do they ever say that he is going to be a lottery pick? No. But they do say that the potential and talent is there.

But I'm sure your friends are right. Through their years of experience at the JC level, they obviously know more about the game than the Calipari's and Bill Self's and the NBA GM's/scout's of the world.

1. I am not familiar with the particulars of the Mudiay recruitment. Apparently you believe that it is both offensive and outrageous to conclude that a player choosing SJU over Kansas indicates that it is not a player Kansas desperately wanted. I found their comments so clearly obvious that it truly only offers insight to those blinded to loyalty. Yes, SJU, every so often, will get a recruit that the top programs covet beyond all others. Over 30 years ago, Looie signed Chris Mullin, who was coveted by Duke. Of course, Chris was a local kid who wanted to stay home and knew Looie since he was 9 years old. At some point, I hope, there will be a spectacular player who is from NY and whose father played for SJU, or who knew Lavin since he was a toddler and played on his garage mounted hoop since he was 8 years old. In other words, there will be particular circumstances, on those very rare occasions, that sway a can't miss talent our way. But most times, not.

2. As for Sanchez, does he look NBA ready to you? Yes, he is 6'8 and plays basketball for a Big East school. Therefore, there is a chance he one day plays in the NBA. I also hear Jennifer Lawrence likes guys with brown hair, which puts me in the running to be her next lover. I would rate Sanchez' chances of playing in the NBA much higher than my chances of dating Jennifer Lawrence, but I wouldn't bet on either. Which gets to their other outrageous and offensive statement: that you have to be a little leery of any coach-speak or media hype claiming that a 25 year old is NBA ready but chose college because he likes the camaraderie only achieved through campus life.

When you watch Sampson, do you think he starts for Kansas, even in this down year for them? When you see Sanchez, do you think the NBA can't find better options for their roster who also happen to be 21 and not 26 by draft day? Just asking.

I must have missed Kansas's down year. I think they have as good a shot as anyone to be in the Final Four.

What do they have, 4 losses so far. That's a down year for them at this point in the season. How do you see Sampson fitting in with them?

6th man. As a soph that is. I don't know that there are a lot of teams that wouldn't start Jakarr, but Kansas might be one.
Kansas earnestly recruited him and wanted to sign him. But the difference is he was being offered a chance to play in a year or two at KU and at SJU we were selling him on being the focal point from day 1. Doesn't mean they didn't want him though.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

We get the better opposition, and lose to them all. And it all makes sense. I hang with an older crowd. Some former college players who knocked around the game for years, assistants in junior college. No big deal, but they know the game. I talk up our talent, and who Lavin beat out to get them. They laugh. If these guys were as good as you say, they tell me, they would be at Kentucky, Duke or Kansas. But we out recruited Kansas for Sampson. They laugh again, and say that if Kansas really coveted Sampson, he would be at Kansas. They need to fill out their bench too, and why not take a flyer on a high level athlete that can sit and learn from a good staff, and not be asked for much. So, they say, they and their handlers know that what Lavin is selling sounds good-they can start at SJU and be the man. But what about NBA ready Sanchez? They laugh at the story that he just wants to experience college life. They say he probably needs a season of college to showcase what he has for a chance at a career in Europe. If he was NBA ready, he would have signed years ago. We talk of Branch and Hooper. Couldn't get minutes at Texas A&M at Harvard? Forget the reasons you read. They couldn't get minutes because they weren't good enough.

I ask you this...if your friends are so insightful and knowledgable of the game, why were they only assistants at the JC level? I would think that if they are that good a coach and have that great of a basketball mind, the D1 colleges would be all over them to hire them.

Saying that a team really didn't want a player, after the fact that they couldn't sign him is nothing more than an excuse. You say that if all those high profile schools really wanted players, they would get them? Look at Emmanuel Mudiay, currently the no. 5 recruit in 2014. He is going to southern Methodist. He chose Southern Methodist even though he had offers from Baylor, Kansas, Kentucky, and Oklahoma State. So you are saying that those other schools didn't really have an interest in the 5th best player in his class, because if they really wanted him, they would have gotten him?
Can any poster on this board sit here and say that we didn't really want Amile Jefferson or Isiah Whitehead, or any other recruit that we missed out on?

You mention Sanchez and that if he was NBA ready he would have signed years ago. Guess what? Maybe he wasn't NBA ready years ago. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he grew or improved over the last couple years. During every one of our games that is on tv, the announcers always mention how his size and skillset are something that NBA GM's and scouts are looking at. Do they ever say that he is going to be a lottery pick? No. But they do say that the potential and talent is there.

But I'm sure your friends are right. Through their years of experience at the JC level, they obviously know more about the game than the Calipari's and Bill Self's and the NBA GM's/scout's of the world.

1. I am not familiar with the particulars of the Mudiay recruitment. Apparently you believe that it is both offensive and outrageous to conclude that a player choosing SJU over Kansas indicates that it is not a player Kansas desperately wanted. I found their comments so clearly obvious that it truly only offers insight to those blinded to loyalty. Yes, SJU, every so often, will get a recruit that the top programs covet beyond all others. Over 30 years ago, Looie signed Chris Mullin, who was coveted by Duke. Of course, Chris was a local kid who wanted to stay home and knew Looie since he was 9 years old. At some point, I hope, there will be a spectacular player who is from NY and whose father played for SJU, or who knew Lavin since he was a toddler and played on his garage mounted hoop since he was 8 years old. In other words, there will be particular circumstances, on those very rare occasions, that sway a can't miss talent our way. But most times, not.

2. As for Sanchez, does he look NBA ready to you? Yes, he is 6'8 and plays basketball for a Big East school. Therefore, there is a chance he one day plays in the NBA. I also hear Jennifer Lawrence likes guys with brown hair, which puts me in the running to be her next lover. I would rate Sanchez' chances of playing in the NBA much higher than my chances of dating Jennifer Lawrence, but I wouldn't bet on either. Which gets to their other outrageous and offensive statement: that you have to be a little leery of any coach-speak or media hype claiming that a 25 year old is NBA ready but chose college because he likes the camaraderie only achieved through campus life.

When you watch Sampson, do you think he starts for Kansas, even in this down year for them? When you see Sanchez, do you think the NBA can't find better options for their roster who also happen to be 21 and not 26 by draft day? Just asking.

I must have missed Kansas's down year. I think they have as good a shot as anyone to be in the Final Four.

What do they have, 4 losses so far. That's a down year for them at this point in the season. How do you see Sampson fitting in with them?

6th man. As a soph that is. I don't know that there are a lot of teams that wouldn't start Jakarr, but Kansas might be one.
Kansas earnestly recruited him and wanted to sign him. But the difference is he was being offered a chance to play in a year or two at KU and at SJU we were selling him on being the focal point from day 1. Doesn't mean they didn't want him though.

I think st johns should be a team that doesnt start Jakarr. I didnt think I would see a power forward who was a worse defender than Jakarr all season. Then I saw Cleveland Melvin, god he is awful on defense. Jakarr is a close second. Gift may have played too long down the stretch but he turned the game around when he came in.

 

[beast of the east]

Also Jarvis was a bum. Nobody is confusing that guy with Coach K and Brad Stevens. Spent more time at the track than the gym.

Mike Jarvis' record at St. John's: 110-61 overall (.643). In conference 50-32 (.609) He may have been a dog, but he won here.

For those who care:

Lou Carnesecca: 526-200 (.724) overall at St. John's. In conference : 138.75 (.646) It's fair to say we would take that now, easily. Though everyone took it for granted back then.
Joe Lapchick 334-130 overall (.720)


It's safe to say that Jarvis had the second best conference record in St. John's history after Carnesecca.

Those numbers don't look right. Do you have the numbers that include the wins vacated while Jarvis was coach?

I honestly don't care about wins vacated, any more than the teams that were awarded wins really earned them. I believe those were the game record for Jarvis.

Rules are rules and Mikey broke them

What is your take on Lavins 2nd yr? He was coach but that record counts

I don't know Moose, what was Jarvis' biggest transgression? That he slipped some kids additional cash. (I honestly don't remember what caused the wins to be vacated). If that's what it was, it happens in almost every program in every big time college sport. We've got to be honest with ourselves - if Jarvis won the NCAA tournament, and not the NIT, in his final season, we'd have been outraged by his firing (not to mention that he wouldn't have been fired).

Vacated or not, we won those games. period. He didn't get 6x's to the opponents 5 O's to do it. Out record was good that season.

I don't pin Lavin's second season on him. He had CANCER. To my knowledge he wasn't at games, home or away. He wasn't the reason Lindsay transferred, or Stith quit. The team was undermanned to begin with, in part because of all the scholarships that had to be filled (an entire roster). Once those guys left, Dunlap had a mini-roster to try to win games. That second season if anything by a direct result of the poor roster management by the previous administration.

 

[Moose]

Also Jarvis was a bum. Nobody is confusing that guy with Coach K and Brad Stevens. Spent more time at the track than the gym.

Mike Jarvis' record at St. John's: 110-61 overall (.643). In conference 50-32 (.609) He may have been a dog, but he won here.

For those who care:

Lou Carnesecca: 526-200 (.724) overall at St. John's. In conference : 138.75 (.646) It's fair to say we would take that now, easily. Though everyone took it for granted back then.
Joe Lapchick 334-130 overall (.720)


It's safe to say that Jarvis had the second best conference record in St. John's history after Carnesecca.

Those numbers don't look right. Do you have the numbers that include the wins vacated while Jarvis was coach?

I honestly don't care about wins vacated, any more than the teams that were awarded wins really earned them. I believe those were the game record for Jarvis.

Rules are rules and Mikey broke them

What is your take on Lavins 2nd yr? He was coach but that record counts

I don't know Moose, what was Jarvis' biggest transgression? That he slipped some kids additional cash. (I honestly don't remember what caused the wins to be vacated). If that's what it was, it happens in almost every program in every big time college sport. We've got to be honest with ourselves - if Jarvis won the NCAA tournament, and not the NIT, in his final season, we'd have been outraged by his firing (not to mention that he wouldn't have been fired).

Vacated or not, we won those games. period. He didn't get 6x's to the opponents 5 O's to do it. Out record was good that season.

I don't pin Lavin's second season on him. He had CANCER. To my knowledge he wasn't at games, home or away. He wasn't the reason Lindsay transferred, or Stith quit. The team was undermanned to begin with, in part because of all the scholarships that had to be filled (an entire roster). Once those guys left, Dunlap had a mini-roster to try to win games. That second season if anything by a direct result of the poor roster management by the previous administration.

Yeah what Jarvis did might happen at a lot of places but we got caught. Most people don't.

Michigan went to the Final Four with the Fab Five. Too bad there is nothing showing that in their arena celebrating that because just as our vacated wins its gone. If Jarvis won the NCAA's? Haha. He was headed on path to nowhere. His last successful team was 4 years removed and they guy was barely on the recruiting trail. (More than Lavin ironically).

My point on Lavin was not that. I was referring to him being the coach of the team and still was tagged for the losses even though he wasn't there. Is that fair to him? No probably not but thats the way the rules are. So you can continue to think Jarvis had the record he had. I know, the record books know, and most other fans know that those wins are washed from the records.

Oh by the way, Jarvis was fired?

 

[beast of the east]

Also Jarvis was a bum. Nobody is confusing that guy with Coach K and Brad Stevens. Spent more time at the track than the gym.

Mike Jarvis' record at St. John's: 110-61 overall (.643). In conference 50-32 (.609) He may have been a dog, but he won here.

For those who care:

Lou Carnesecca: 526-200 (.724) overall at St. John's. In conference : 138.75 (.646) It's fair to say we would take that now, easily. Though everyone took it for granted back then.
Joe Lapchick 334-130 overall (.720)


It's safe to say that Jarvis had the second best conference record in St. John's history after Carnesecca.

Those numbers don't look right. Do you have the numbers that include the wins vacated while Jarvis was coach?

I honestly don't care about wins vacated, any more than the teams that were awarded wins really earned them. I believe those were the game record for Jarvis.

Rules are rules and Mikey broke them

What is your take on Lavins 2nd yr? He was coach but that record counts

I don't know Moose, what was Jarvis' biggest transgression? That he slipped some kids additional cash. (I honestly don't remember what caused the wins to be vacated). If that's what it was, it happens in almost every program in every big time college sport. We've got to be honest with ourselves - if Jarvis won the NCAA tournament, and not the NIT, in his final season, we'd have been outraged by his firing (not to mention that he wouldn't have been fired).

Vacated or not, we won those games. period. He didn't get 6x's to the opponents 5 O's to do it. Out record was good that season.

I don't pin Lavin's second season on him. He had CANCER. To my knowledge he wasn't at games, home or away. He wasn't the reason Lindsay transferred, or Stith quit. The team was undermanned to begin with, in part because of all the scholarships that had to be filled (an entire roster). Once those guys left, Dunlap had a mini-roster to try to win games. That second season if anything by a direct result of the poor roster management by the previous administration.

Yeah what Jarvis did might happen at a lot of places but we got caught. Most people don't.

Michigan went to the Final Four with the Fab Five. Too bad there is nothing showing that in their arena celebrating that because just as our vacated wins its gone. If Jarvis won the NCAA's? Haha. He was headed on path to nowhere. His last successful team was 4 years removed and they guy was barely on the recruiting trail. (More than Lavin ironically).

My point on Lavin was not that. I was referring to him being the coach of the team and still was tagged for the losses even though he wasn't there. Is that fair to him? No probably not but thats the way the rules are. So you can continue to think Jarvis had the record he had. I know, the record books know, and most other fans know that those wins are washed from the records.

Oh by the way, Jarvis was fired?

I'm not arguing with you, it's just a different perspective. Looking back I think of the Fab Five as a great team, and winners of the NCAA championship. I look at Jarvis' last full season as NIT winners. Would you say Jarvis was successful if our record was 8-24, but the losses were reversed into wins because of NCAA violations of opposing teams? I wouldn't. Jarvis got fired because of his attitude, increasingly grating against the AD and school, not because of the rocky start in his final year.

 

[Moose]

Also Jarvis was a bum. Nobody is confusing that guy with Coach K and Brad Stevens. Spent more time at the track than the gym.

Mike Jarvis' record at St. John's: 110-61 overall (.643). In conference 50-32 (.609) He may have been a dog, but he won here.

For those who care:

Lou Carnesecca: 526-200 (.724) overall at St. John's. In conference : 138.75 (.646) It's fair to say we would take that now, easily. Though everyone took it for granted back then.
Joe Lapchick 334-130 overall (.720)


It's safe to say that Jarvis had the second best conference record in St. John's history after Carnesecca.

Those numbers don't look right. Do you have the numbers that include the wins vacated while Jarvis was coach?

I honestly don't care about wins vacated, any more than the teams that were awarded wins really earned them. I believe those were the game record for Jarvis.

Rules are rules and Mikey broke them

What is your take on Lavins 2nd yr? He was coach but that record counts

I don't know Moose, what was Jarvis' biggest transgression? That he slipped some kids additional cash. (I honestly don't remember what caused the wins to be vacated). If that's what it was, it happens in almost every program in every big time college sport. We've got to be honest with ourselves - if Jarvis won the NCAA tournament, and not the NIT, in his final season, we'd have been outraged by his firing (not to mention that he wouldn't have been fired).

Vacated or not, we won those games. period. He didn't get 6x's to the opponents 5 O's to do it. Out record was good that season.

I don't pin Lavin's second season on him. He had CANCER. To my knowledge he wasn't at games, home or away. He wasn't the reason Lindsay transferred, or Stith quit. The team was undermanned to begin with, in part because of all the scholarships that had to be filled (an entire roster). Once those guys left, Dunlap had a mini-roster to try to win games. That second season if anything by a direct result of the poor roster management by the previous administration.

Yeah what Jarvis did might happen at a lot of places but we got caught. Most people don't.

Michigan went to the Final Four with the Fab Five. Too bad there is nothing showing that in their arena celebrating that because just as our vacated wins its gone. If Jarvis won the NCAA's? Haha. He was headed on path to nowhere. His last successful team was 4 years removed and they guy was barely on the recruiting trail. (More than Lavin ironically).

My point on Lavin was not that. I was referring to him being the coach of the team and still was tagged for the losses even though he wasn't there. Is that fair to him? No probably not but thats the way the rules are. So you can continue to think Jarvis had the record he had. I know, the record books know, and most other fans know that those wins are washed from the records.

Oh by the way, Jarvis was fired?

I'm not arguing with you, it's just a different perspective. Looking back I think of the Fab Five as a great team, and winners of the NCAA championship. I look at Jarvis' last full season as NIT winners. Would you say Jarvis was successful if our record was 8-24, but the losses were reversed into wins because of NCAA violations of opposing teams? I wouldn't. Jarvis got fired because of his attitude, increasingly grating against the AD and school, not because of the rocky start in his final year.

The NIT win was the biggest band aid over 500 bullet holes. If we didn't win the damn NIT he probably would have been let go after that season. Then no Pitt incident happens. No Norm happens. And history is re-written.

 

[beast of the east]

Also Jarvis was a bum. Nobody is confusing that guy with Coach K and Brad Stevens. Spent more time at the track than the gym.

Mike Jarvis' record at St. John's: 110-61 overall (.643). In conference 50-32 (.609) He may have been a dog, but he won here.

For those who care:

Lou Carnesecca: 526-200 (.724) overall at St. John's. In conference : 138.75 (.646) It's fair to say we would take that now, easily. Though everyone took it for granted back then.
Joe Lapchick 334-130 overall (.720)


It's safe to say that Jarvis had the second best conference record in St. John's history after Carnesecca.

Those numbers don't look right. Do you have the numbers that include the wins vacated while Jarvis was coach?

I honestly don't care about wins vacated, any more than the teams that were awarded wins really earned them. I believe those were the game record for Jarvis.

Rules are rules and Mikey broke them

What is your take on Lavins 2nd yr? He was coach but that record counts

I don't know Moose, what was Jarvis' biggest transgression? That he slipped some kids additional cash. (I honestly don't remember what caused the wins to be vacated). If that's what it was, it happens in almost every program in every big time college sport. We've got to be honest with ourselves - if Jarvis won the NCAA tournament, and not the NIT, in his final season, we'd have been outraged by his firing (not to mention that he wouldn't have been fired).

Vacated or not, we won those games. period. He didn't get 6x's to the opponents 5 O's to do it. Out record was good that season.

I don't pin Lavin's second season on him. He had CANCER. To my knowledge he wasn't at games, home or away. He wasn't the reason Lindsay transferred, or Stith quit. The team was undermanned to begin with, in part because of all the scholarships that had to be filled (an entire roster). Once those guys left, Dunlap had a mini-roster to try to win games. That second season if anything by a direct result of the poor roster management by the previous administration.

Yeah what Jarvis did might happen at a lot of places but we got caught. Most people don't.

Michigan went to the Final Four with the Fab Five. Too bad there is nothing showing that in their arena celebrating that because just as our vacated wins its gone. If Jarvis won the NCAA's? Haha. He was headed on path to nowhere. His last successful team was 4 years removed and they guy was barely on the recruiting trail. (More than Lavin ironically).

My point on Lavin was not that. I was referring to him being the coach of the team and still was tagged for the losses even though he wasn't there. Is that fair to him? No probably not but thats the way the rules are. So you can continue to think Jarvis had the record he had. I know, the record books know, and most other fans know that those wins are washed from the records.

Oh by the way, Jarvis was fired?

I'm not arguing with you, it's just a different perspective. Looking back I think of the Fab Five as a great team, and winners of the NCAA championship. I look at Jarvis' last full season as NIT winners. Would you say Jarvis was successful if our record was 8-24, but the losses were reversed into wins because of NCAA violations of opposing teams? I wouldn't. Jarvis got fired because of his attitude, increasingly grating against the AD and school, not because of the rocky start in his final year.

The NIT win was the biggest band aid over 500 bullet holes. If we didn't win the damn NIT he probably would have been let go after that season. Then no Pitt incident happens. No Norm happens. And history is re-written.

That's reasonable, and I'd agree with that. Jarvis was such a universally respected guy, I'd also say that perhaps the worst thing that happened to him was Michael Jordan offering him and NBA job, and him not taking it. It seems his attitude was not the same after that. It was rumored before he came to St. john's that his goal was an NBA head coaching job, and I think he blew his grab at a brass ring and he knew it.

 

[Moose]

Thanks a lot Marcus Hatten

 

[newsman13]

Also Jarvis was a bum. Nobody is confusing that guy with Coach K and Brad Stevens. Spent more time at the track than the gym.

Mike Jarvis' record at St. John's: 110-61 overall (.643). In conference 50-32 (.609) He may have been a dog, but he won here.

For those who care:

Lou Carnesecca: 526-200 (.724) overall at St. John's. In conference : 138.75 (.646) It's fair to say we would take that now, easily. Though everyone took it for granted back then.
Joe Lapchick 334-130 overall (.720)


It's safe to say that Jarvis had the second best conference record in St. John's history after Carnesecca.

Those numbers don't look right. Do you have the numbers that include the wins vacated while Jarvis was coach?

I honestly don't care about wins vacated, any more than the teams that were awarded wins really earned them. I believe those were the game record for Jarvis.

Rules are rules and Mikey broke them

What is your take on Lavins 2nd yr? He was coach but that record counts

I don't know Moose, what was Jarvis' biggest transgression? That he slipped some kids additional cash. (I honestly don't remember what caused the wins to be vacated). If that's what it was, it happens in almost every program in every big time college sport. We've got to be honest with ourselves - if Jarvis won the NCAA tournament, and not the NIT, in his final season, we'd have been outraged by his firing (not to mention that he wouldn't have been fired).

Vacated or not, we won those games. period. He didn't get 6x's to the opponents 5 O's to do it. Out record was good that season.

I don't pin Lavin's second season on him. He had CANCER. To my knowledge he wasn't at games, home or away. He wasn't the reason Lindsay transferred, or Stith quit. The team was undermanned to begin with, in part because of all the scholarships that had to be filled (an entire roster). Once those guys left, Dunlap had a mini-roster to try to win games. That second season if anything by a direct result of the poor roster management by the previous administration.

Yeah what Jarvis did might happen at a lot of places but we got caught. Most people don't.

Michigan went to the Final Four with the Fab Five. Too bad there is nothing showing that in their arena celebrating that because just as our vacated wins its gone. If Jarvis won the NCAA's? Haha. He was headed on path to nowhere. His last successful team was 4 years removed and they guy was barely on the recruiting trail. (More than Lavin ironically).

My point on Lavin was not that. I was referring to him being the coach of the team and still was tagged for the losses even though he wasn't there. Is that fair to him? No probably not but thats the way the rules are. So you can continue to think Jarvis had the record he had. I know, the record books know, and most other fans know that those wins are washed from the records.

Oh by the way, Jarvis was fired?

I'm not arguing with you, it's just a different perspective. Looking back I think of the Fab Five as a great team, and winners of the NCAA championship. I look at Jarvis' last full season as NIT winners. Would you say Jarvis was successful if our record was 8-24, but the losses were reversed into wins because of NCAA violations of opposing teams? I wouldn't. Jarvis got fired because of his attitude, increasingly grating against the AD and school, not because of the rocky start in his final year.

The NIT win was the biggest band aid over 500 bullet holes. If we didn't win the damn NIT he probably would have been let go after that season. Then no Pitt incident happens. No Norm happens. And history is re-written.

That's reasonable, and I'd agree with that. Jarvis was such a universally respected guy, I'd also say that perhaps the worst thing that happened to him was Michael Jordan offering him and NBA job, and him not taking it. It seems his attitude was not the same after that. It was rumored before he came to St. john's that his goal was an NBA head coaching job, and I think he blew his grab at a brass ring and he knew it.

Jordan offered Jarvis an interview...not a job. Had Jarvis left, we might have lured a better coach than Roberts who was mainly brought in to clean out what FH perceived was a stable. We might have had Calipari, who probably wouldn't have scared FH if there was no scandal.

 

[paultzman]

Also Jarvis was a bum. Nobody is confusing that guy with Coach K and Brad Stevens. Spent more time at the track than the gym.

Mike Jarvis' record at St. John's: 110-61 overall (.643). In conference 50-32 (.609) He may have been a dog, but he won here.

For those who care:

Lou Carnesecca: 526-200 (.724) overall at St. John's. In conference : 138.75 (.646) It's fair to say we would take that now, easily. Though everyone took it for granted back then.
Joe Lapchick 334-130 overall (.720)


It's safe to say that Jarvis had the second best conference record in St. John's history after Carnesecca.

Those numbers don't look right. Do you have the numbers that include the wins vacated while Jarvis was coach?

I honestly don't care about wins vacated, any more than the teams that were awarded wins really earned them. I believe those were the game record for Jarvis.

Rules are rules and Mikey broke them

What is your take on Lavins 2nd yr? He was coach but that record counts

I don't know Moose, what was Jarvis' biggest transgression? That he slipped some kids additional cash. (I honestly don't remember what caused the wins to be vacated). If that's what it was, it happens in almost every program in every big time college sport. We've got to be honest with ourselves - if Jarvis won the NCAA tournament, and not the NIT, in his final season, we'd have been outraged by his firing (not to mention that he wouldn't have been fired).

Vacated or not, we won those games. period. He didn't get 6x's to the opponents 5 O's to do it. Out record was good that season.

I don't pin Lavin's second season on him. He had CANCER. To my knowledge he wasn't at games, home or away. He wasn't the reason Lindsay transferred, or Stith quit. The team was undermanned to begin with, in part because of all the scholarships that had to be filled (an entire roster). Once those guys left, Dunlap had a mini-roster to try to win games. That second season if anything by a direct result of the poor roster management by the previous administration.

Yeah what Jarvis did might happen at a lot of places but we got caught. Most people don't.

Michigan went to the Final Four with the Fab Five. Too bad there is nothing showing that in their arena celebrating that because just as our vacated wins its gone. If Jarvis won the NCAA's? Haha. He was headed on path to nowhere. His last successful team was 4 years removed and they guy was barely on the recruiting trail. (More than Lavin ironically).

My point on Lavin was not that. I was referring to him being the coach of the team and still was tagged for the losses even though he wasn't there. Is that fair to him? No probably not but thats the way the rules are. So you can continue to think Jarvis had the record he had. I know, the record books know, and most other fans know that those wins are washed from the records.

Oh by the way, Jarvis was fired?

I'm not arguing with you, it's just a different perspective. Looking back I think of the Fab Five as a great team, and winners of the NCAA championship. I look at Jarvis' last full season as NIT winners. Would you say Jarvis was successful if our record was 8-24, but the losses were reversed into wins because of NCAA violations of opposing teams? I wouldn't. Jarvis got fired because of his attitude, increasingly grating against the AD and school, not because of the rocky start in his final year.

The NIT win was the biggest band aid over 500 bullet holes. If we didn't win the damn NIT he probably would have been let go after that season. Then no Pitt incident happens. No Norm happens. And history is re-written.

That's reasonable, and I'd agree with that. Jarvis was such a universally respected guy, I'd also say that perhaps the worst thing that happened to him was Michael Jordan offering him and NBA job, and him not taking it. It seems his attitude was not the same after that. It was rumored before he came to St. john's that his goal was an NBA head coaching job, and I think he blew his grab at a brass ring and he knew it.

Jordan offered Jarvis an interview...not a job. Had Jarvis left, we might have lured a better coach than Roberts who was mainly brought in to clean out what FH perceived was a stable. We might have had Calipari, who probably wouldn't have scared FH if there was no scandal.

Jay Wright would have come. Timing never on our side it seems.

 

[beast of the east]

Also Jarvis was a bum. Nobody is confusing that guy with Coach K and Brad Stevens. Spent more time at the track than the gym.

Mike Jarvis' record at St. John's: 110-61 overall (.643). In conference 50-32 (.609) He may have been a dog, but he won here.

For those who care:

Lou Carnesecca: 526-200 (.724) overall at St. John's. In conference : 138.75 (.646) It's fair to say we would take that now, easily. Though everyone took it for granted back then.
Joe Lapchick 334-130 overall (.720)


It's safe to say that Jarvis had the second best conference record in St. John's history after Carnesecca.

Those numbers don't look right. Do you have the numbers that include the wins vacated while Jarvis was coach?

I honestly don't care about wins vacated, any more than the teams that were awarded wins really earned them. I believe those were the game record for Jarvis.

Rules are rules and Mikey broke them

What is your take on Lavins 2nd yr? He was coach but that record counts

I don't know Moose, what was Jarvis' biggest transgression? That he slipped some kids additional cash. (I honestly don't remember what caused the wins to be vacated). If that's what it was, it happens in almost every program in every big time college sport. We've got to be honest with ourselves - if Jarvis won the NCAA tournament, and not the NIT, in his final season, we'd have been outraged by his firing (not to mention that he wouldn't have been fired).

Vacated or not, we won those games. period. He didn't get 6x's to the opponents 5 O's to do it. Out record was good that season.

I don't pin Lavin's second season on him. He had CANCER. To my knowledge he wasn't at games, home or away. He wasn't the reason Lindsay transferred, or Stith quit. The team was undermanned to begin with, in part because of all the scholarships that had to be filled (an entire roster). Once those guys left, Dunlap had a mini-roster to try to win games. That second season if anything by a direct result of the poor roster management by the previous administration.

Yeah what Jarvis did might happen at a lot of places but we got caught. Most people don't.

Michigan went to the Final Four with the Fab Five. Too bad there is nothing showing that in their arena celebrating that because just as our vacated wins its gone. If Jarvis won the NCAA's? Haha. He was headed on path to nowhere. His last successful team was 4 years removed and they guy was barely on the recruiting trail. (More than Lavin ironically).

My point on Lavin was not that. I was referring to him being the coach of the team and still was tagged for the losses even though he wasn't there. Is that fair to him? No probably not but thats the way the rules are. So you can continue to think Jarvis had the record he had. I know, the record books know, and most other fans know that those wins are washed from the records.

Oh by the way, Jarvis was fired?

I'm not arguing with you, it's just a different perspective. Looking back I think of the Fab Five as a great team, and winners of the NCAA championship. I look at Jarvis' last full season as NIT winners. Would you say Jarvis was successful if our record was 8-24, but the losses were reversed into wins because of NCAA violations of opposing teams? I wouldn't. Jarvis got fired because of his attitude, increasingly grating against the AD and school, not because of the rocky start in his final year.

The NIT win was the biggest band aid over 500 bullet holes. If we didn't win the damn NIT he probably would have been let go after that season. Then no Pitt incident happens. No Norm happens. And history is re-written.

That's reasonable, and I'd agree with that. Jarvis was such a universally respected guy, I'd also say that perhaps the worst thing that happened to him was Michael Jordan offering him and NBA job, and him not taking it. It seems his attitude was not the same after that. It was rumored before he came to St. john's that his goal was an NBA head coaching job, and I think he blew his grab at a brass ring and he knew it.

Jordan offered Jarvis an interview...not a job. Had Jarvis left, we might have lured a better coach than Roberts who was mainly brought in to clean out what FH perceived was a stable. We might have had Calipari, who probably wouldn't have scared FH if there was no scandal.

Jay Wright would have come. Timing never on our side it seems.

Jay Wright would have been the best possible hire of perhaps any D1 coach in terms of being a fit for the school. Villanova is a better fit for him, though. He is now getting paid slightly more than Lavin. Based on his first three years at Nova, at that point, we'd be trying to run him out of town, and maybe even his 13-19 year a couple of years ago.

 

[paultzman]

I believe most grounded fans could live with a guy who has had runs like Nova, even getting to final four I believe. Wright's emphasis on guard play & maximizing value of three point shooting would be greatly appreciated. Sure beats this recruit "athletes" approach here. The ship has sailed and he has established an annually competitive program, with a few bumps, which most folks could live with. Certainly Nova, even beyond this year, has not been irrelevant. Unfortunately, we have. I also appreciate the man's honesty, integrity & ability to take responsibility when things go wrong. A lost opportunity, but oh well.

 

[beast of the east]

I believe most grounded fans could live with a guy who has had runs like Nova, even getting to final four I believe. Wright's emphasis on guard play & maximizing value of three point shooting would be greatly appreciated. Sure beats this recruit "athletes" approach here. The ship has sailed and he has established an annually competitive program, with a few bumps, which most folks could live with. Certainly Nova, even beyond this year, has not been irrelevant. Unfortunately, we have. I also appreciate the man's honesty, integrity & ability to take responsibility when things go wrong. A lost opportunity, but oh well.

I would also guess that he knows hundreds of students on campus by name - he's that visible and that much of a people person. He teaches CE seminars, is the keynote speaker at senior breakfast, and when he absent mindedly slept through one after travelling home 2 days after recruiting Yarou in Africa, did his best to make it up to the seniors by being a keynote speaker at their graduation. Very good coach, incredible person, and just the kind of guy you want representing a university through athletics and in all other ways. To that extent, some day he may be their Looie, if he isn't that already in his own way