In The end, It All Makes Sense
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Hey simplyred,
Time flies. It was 4 seasons ago, not 2 years ago when StJohns defeated Villanova on February 26, 2011 at the Wells Fargo Arena.
Unfortunately Jay Wright and his Villanova team have "owned" StJohns over recent years.
Wright's team has defeated StJohns 10 of the last 11 times the teams have played. If you don't believe that fact then go to the StJohns schedule on the RedStorm website linked below to see the game results back to the 2004-05 season.
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/stjo-m-baskbl-sched.html
Below is the year by year results of Villanova's 10 of 11 game wins over StJohns:
2013-14........ 0/1
2012-13........ 0/2
2011-12........ 0/1
2010-11........ 1/1
2009-10........ 0/1
2008-09........ 0/1
2007-08 ....... 0/1
2006-07 ....... 0/1
2005-06 ....... 0/1
2004-05 ...... 0/1
westchesterjoe
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I would not say Lavin has outcoached Jay Wright in any game. The win by St JOHN'S. as OTIS pointed out, occurred in 2010-11, which was the HARDY TEAM.
And, Nova did have team chemistry problems that year with Scottie Reynolds, Corey FISCHER, etc.
And, herE's a interesting news tidbit Redmen Fans, I was glancing at Team conference records in the paper yesterday, and St John's, DePaul and Niagara are at or next to the bottom of their respective leagues. I hope the spirit of St Vincent DePaul, will prevail in helping the less fortunate today, improve their plight..
But, not the DepAUL Blue Demons !
And, shouldn't the Vatican look into voiding a team's mascot that has the word Demon in it? I think Demons are more offensive than REDMEN!
And, Nova did have team chemistry problems that year with Scottie Reynolds, Corey FISCHER, etc.
And, herE's a interesting news tidbit Redmen Fans, I was glancing at Team conference records in the paper yesterday, and St John's, DePaul and Niagara are at or next to the bottom of their respective leagues. I hope the spirit of St Vincent DePaul, will prevail in helping the less fortunate today, improve their plight..
But, not the DepAUL Blue Demons !
And, shouldn't the Vatican look into voiding a team's mascot that has the word Demon in it? I think Demons are more offensive than REDMEN!
beast of the east
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Do you really think that for the most part coaches are architecting grand schemes in games and their decisions are causing wins and losses to any significant degree? When there are two experienced and knowledgeable coaches on the floor, its more like a game of chess - one team goes big, the other team responds. one team presses, you make sure you have ball handlers in and run the press break routines you work on in practice. A guy makes some horrible choices on the court, you take him out and speak with him. I know it's a different sport, but Tony LaRussa liked to say that a great baseball manager is good for maybe 4-5 additional wins per year. Now of course that could be the difference between the playoffs or not, but on a game to game basis in basketball, its difficult to put a win or a loss on a coach.
To that end, can any of you proclaiming that Lavin out coached Wright, or the other way around, point to specific game decisions that made one or the other superior in the cited instance? I certainly can't
jumbo_peanuts
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I ask you this...if your friends are so insightful and knowledgable of the game, why were they only assistants at the JC level? I would think that if they are that good a coach and have that great of a basketball mind, the D1 colleges would be all over them to hire them.
Saying that a team really didn't want a player, after the fact that they couldn't sign him is nothing more than an excuse. You say that if all those high profile schools really wanted players, they would get them? Look at Emmanuel Mudiay, currently the no. 5 recruit in 2014. He is going to southern methodist. He chose Southern Methodist even though he had offers from Baylor, Kansas, Kentuck, and Oklahoma State. So you are saying that those other schools didn't really have an interest in the 5th best player in his class, because if they really wanted him, they would have gotten him?
Can any poster on this board sit here and say that we didn't really want Amile Jefferson or Isiah Whitehead, or any other recruit that we missed out on?
You mention Sanchez and that if he was NBA ready he would have signed years ago. Guess what? Maybe he wasn't NBA ready years ago. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he grew or improved over the last couple years. During every one of our games that is on tv, the announcers always mention how his size and skillset are something that NBA GM's and scouts are looking at. Do they ever say that he is going to be a lottery pick? No. But they do say that the potential and talent is there.
But I'm sure your friends are right. Through their years of experience at the JC level, they obviously know more about the game than the Calipari's and Bill Self's and the NBA GM's/scout's of the world.
Christmas weekend I met Duane Woodward ( on tom pecora's staff at Fordham) at a friend from B. C. Athletics Dept who was having a holiday party.After trash talking for 15 minutes about how we ran them out the gym he gave me some interesting insight about their pregame prep. 1. he believed Jordan was a game changer for our program going forward. 2. They spent absolutley zero minutes prepping for Orlando. He didnt think he had the right mindset for success in this league. Said he looked confused on the court. 3. Doesnt believe Lavin is the answer. He doesnt think he's a bad coach, but didnt think he was the savior i was making him out to be (I was a few gin and tonics in so I may have been overzealous in my praise of Lavin)He didnt say who was, but he thought NYC kids were being over looked. 4. He believes only Jordan and Sampson have a shot at the NBA. I was suprised he didnt believe C. O can go
May not be anything we didnt know, but interesting to hear an opponents assesment of our program.
May not be anything we didnt know, but interesting to hear an opponents assesment of our program.
I think a head coach in basketball is the most vital coach in all of sports. Game preparation and in game adjustments are huge. Not taking away from any other sports, all coaches play a role, just IMO basketball coaches play the most significant.
Beast of the East is the biggest Lavin apologist. I stopped reading his idiotic posts when he called me crazy for comparing Lavin to Norm, but then went on to compare Lavin to Lou!!!
This guy is the worst basketball coach I have ever seen here. I would put him up there with the Jarvis' and Norm's of the world. If this program truly wants to become relevant again they must get rid of this guy by the beginning of April.
Lavin's recruiting strategy was always flawed. He recruited some shady players like Harrison, Branch, Pelle, who had some questionable character issues. What's worse is he never constructed a TEAM with his recruiting. You are only as good as the team you build to play together. He is a grossly overrated recruiter for not balancing his roster position-wise.
The most important flaw that has set our program back another couple years is this clown's inability to develop players. Jakarr has declined since last year. So Beast of the East you can brag about him being BE ROY but ultimately your awesome coach failed miserably to make this kid better. That is a coach's job! It makes me nauseous reading these posts of people making excuses for Lavin when he is a wretched coach. People like Beast want a guy who can sweet talk reporters and recruit the 73rd best player in the country who can't shoot a lick. Enjoy mediocrity(at best) if you want to keep this vicious cycle going.
This guy is the worst basketball coach I have ever seen here. I would put him up there with the Jarvis' and Norm's of the world. If this program truly wants to become relevant again they must get rid of this guy by the beginning of April.
Lavin's recruiting strategy was always flawed. He recruited some shady players like Harrison, Branch, Pelle, who had some questionable character issues. What's worse is he never constructed a TEAM with his recruiting. You are only as good as the team you build to play together. He is a grossly overrated recruiter for not balancing his roster position-wise.
The most important flaw that has set our program back another couple years is this clown's inability to develop players. Jakarr has declined since last year. So Beast of the East you can brag about him being BE ROY but ultimately your awesome coach failed miserably to make this kid better. That is a coach's job! It makes me nauseous reading these posts of people making excuses for Lavin when he is a wretched coach. People like Beast want a guy who can sweet talk reporters and recruit the 73rd best player in the country who can't shoot a lick. Enjoy mediocrity(at best) if you want to keep this vicious cycle going.
beast of the east
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If you believe that, try coaching an NFL football team, where coaches are much more important to the outcome. I'm not sayin gthat you don't do those things, but strategically there is only so much you can do. This is why "great" coaches like Phil Jackson and Pat Riley followed great teams where they knew they could win, and not once did they turn around a horrible team with bad players. The knew well enough
beast of the east
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Lavin is the worst coach ever here? That is just about the most ridiculous thing you could possibly say. Norm Roberts hands down was the worst coach in St. John's history, and probably Big East history. He coached your father's team (I'm assuming you are Niko Roberts) to an NCAA berth, something NR couldn't do. Norm focused on DJ Kennedy as the star, and benched Hardy in favor of Malik Boothe. He didn't start Justin Brownlee either. If Lavin is to blame for the failure of this year's squad to perform, then surely he gets credit for reshuffling the deck and turning Norm's kids into winners. Don't give me this Dunlap garbage either. Lavin hired Dunlap, and the next season without Lavin at the helm, Dunlap lost the team (and some players). If you don't think Lavin is the boss, isn't it convenient that Harrison decided to go ballistic on an assistant in the games that Lavin missed attending his father's funeral?
Now back to your point that I'm a Lavin apologist. I agree with some of the tempered criticism that Lavin may not be the best bench coach in terms of X's and O's. If you were sober back then, and I'm thinking you may not have been, tell me who the player's gathered around during a timeout during Looie's era? Hint, it was the guy with the clipboard mapping plays. Another hint - it was Brian Mahoney. Why?? Because Looie wasn't as good at X's and 0's as Mahoney.
Next point. No one has seriously doubted that Mike Jarvis knows basketball. In fact I believe he was elected president of the NCAA basketball coach's association. He was universally respect until he took his eye off the ball. Maybe he started drinking with you, I don't know.
Sirvo, I agree with you, but when I post how I feel lol things get ugly.
So the only thing I`m gonna do is after every SJU game I`ll post the actual standings. That alone will speak volumes.
That`s not my comment or opinion. They can`t say that I`m making this stuff up or anything.
I`ll let others here post how I`m feeling and I`ll just say thankyou to them.
Now I have a question. Forget the state schools, but before coach K went to Duke was Duke a better program then St. John`s?
I honestly don`t know which is why I`m asking.
Why can`t SJU be an elite school again, it was in the 80s. It all comes down to getting the perfect coach who`s obsessed with getting them back.
Lavin is such a great recruit but why only one last year and 0 this year?
I`m not saying anything negative about his recruiting but why only one these last 2 years so far?
I never got and still don't get all the talk around here about CO and the NBA. He has yet to exhibit any offensive skills and is not much of a rebounder or defender. He's an undersized(by NBA standards) shot blocker. What am I missing????????????????
beast of the east
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No here's what you poster you loser:
"lol have fun rooting hard for them. Last week we talked about acceptance, well yes I accept the fact that SJU sucks and always will suck.
Guess it`s better to call Syracuse NY`s since they are winners, lol what exactly has SJU done since the last 90s? one NCAA tourny which was a one and done.
Once DePaul kicks their ass they`ll be 0-4, 9-7 lol soooooooo saddddddd.
Hey mods you could delete this one too but even one of your fellow mods told me in pms last week that Lavin in a fraud and he must go.
Don`t ask who because i`m not saying. "
You also said you weren't following St. John's and wouldn't post here again. Do us all a favor, and leave. I honestly can't tell if you are a 14 year old poster, or just a stupid adult. By the way you spell, only one thing is certain.
NBA is one thing, I should have mentioned that, some of those guys dont like to be coached but there are still very good coaches and very bad coaches. College basketball is another story.
Just curious why you think NFL head coach is much more important? I would put that second. They have coordinators and assistants for every position. They dont have to continually sub out and build a solid rotation. Play calling is huge but the majority of head coaches dont handle it.