Hindsight is 20/20

Larry Wright said:
Yes 90% of that on coach
Spent summer arguing didn’t love roster. Bought into he is Rick Pitino.
Scary thing is even if Rick comes back next year, roster going to be much worse.
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No it won’t. Listen to Rick in the last Redstorm Report.
 
stromcloud said:
Even a Hall-Of-Fame coach should enter a new situation with a modicum of humility. What’s bothered me from the start is the idea of telling kids who’ve been here for two or three years “forget any experiences/friendships you’ve had here. You don’t fit into my plans, goodbye.” The fact that the season is falling apart is what we used to call Instant Karma.
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The kids leaving was based on their behaviors on and off the court. The ones who left who were offered a spot. Got more money are assurances for playing time.
It’s is transfer era. Kids have adversity then they bounce.Has more to do with that than anything else.
 
CaliRedfan said:
Hindsight is indeed 20/20. And in hindsight it can’t be denied that the decision to pass on Danny Hurley to hire Chris Mullin was one of the worst decisions in the history of college sports. One that we’re paying for and will continue to pay for, many years to come
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Yes , comparing in hindsight Mullin being hired if Danny Hurley was available , could be considered a poor decision .
Would Danny be as successful here ? As he has been at big Budget Conn? We can speculate all we want but , it’s still debatable .
Why ? UCONN has a history over the last 20 or so years of multiple NCAA Championships under Calhoun and , even Kevin Ollie .
So while the program had tumbled after they left the BE , they still had the aura of being a blue chip program .

Hurley taking over at that time offered them potential to return to their past glory. Plus , no one denies he is a good Coach . But , would that have translated here ?

Our program , has had 20 plus years of very bad results and even , Hurley might not have been able to turn that around . Will Pitino ? Time will tell .

So , thinking Hurley would have brought us a Championship
here is a totally different question .

Pitino could have been had after Mullin too. But , the tone of this Board and the School at that time was that he had not yet repented sufficiently .
Not enough Novenas and Stations of the Cross or hosting Church basement Bingo on Wednesday nights .

At age 71 , Pitino still has more credentials in his resume than Hurley but , that could very well change since Danny is considerably younger with much of his career still on forward motion .

Yes , hiring Mullin who the record shows didn’t seek the job , wasn’t a good one all around .

We could say the next worst decision was hiring CMA after Mullin .

There are other issues that are involved here too. In my opinion , Re Admitting UCONN to the BE was a terrible one for all the other schools .
Why ? Conn has the $$$$$ resources and now , Hurley to dominate the league for who knows how long ?

It all comes down to $$$ eventually and the BE Officials plus the Presidents always go for the Gold .

You can take that to the Bank .
 
In hindsight, the hiring of Coach Pitino was the luckiest turn of events for St. John’s. He’s here to change a recent tradition of losing to a culture of winning and solid performance. NIL, facilities upgrades, fan interest and attendance, etc. Coach did not arrive to a healthy situation.
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
Yes , comparing in hindsight Mullin being hired if Danny Hurley was available , could be considered a poor decision .
Would Danny be as successful here ? As he has been at big Budget Conn? We can speculate all we want but , it’s still debatable .
Why ? UCONN has a history over the last 20 or so years of multiple NCAA Championships under Calhoun and , even Kevin Ollie .
So while the program had tumbled after they left the BE , they still had the aura of being a blue chip program .

Hurley taking over at that time offered them potential to return to their past glory. Plus , no one denies he is a good Coach . But , would that have translated here ?

Our program , has had 20 plus years of very bad results and even , Hurley might not have been able to turn that around . Will Pitino ? Time will tell .

So , thinking Hurley would have brought us a Championship
here is a totally different question .

Pitino could have been had after Mullin too. But , the tone of this Board and the School at that time was that he had not yet repented sufficiently .
Not enough Novenas and Stations of the Cross or hosting Church basement Bingo on Wednesday nights .

At age 71 , Pitino still has more credentials in his resume than Hurley but , that could very well change since Danny is considerably younger with much of his career still on forward motion .

Yes , hiring Mullin who the record shows didn’t seek the job , wasn’t a good one all around .

We could say the next worst decision was hiring CMA after Mullin .

There are other issues that are involved here too. In my opinion , Re Admitting UCONN to the BE was a terrible one for all the other schools .
Why ? Conn has the $$$$$ resources and now , Hurley to dominate the league for who knows how long ?

It all comes down to $$$ eventually and the BE Officials plus the Presidents always go for the Gold .

You can take that to the Bank .
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Agree with all your points. I do think calling the Mullin instead of Hurley "a poor decision" is being generous to the SJU Administration. I would call it a "disaster". Danny probably would not have had the level of suucess he's had at UCONN but I believe we would have been a consistent tournament team. His record at Rhode Island made him a much better candidate than Chris. I srill do like RP over Danny.
 
Knight said:
In hindsight, the hiring of Coach Pitino was the luckiest turn of events for St. John’s. He’s here to change a recent tradition of losing to a culture of winning and solid performance. NIL, facilities upgrades, fan interest and attendance, etc. Coach did not arrive to a healthy situation.
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Exactly. We are just showing signs of coming out of a coma.
 
MainMan said:
Hindsight is 20/20 but this post appears to be 80 proof.

In all seriousness, I felt much like mjm. I thought Pitino had lost his mind when he jettisoned all but two of last year's team and lost his mojo when Clayton turned him down and he was basically signing his old Iona team along with Conway. Then the slew of top-ranked transfers came along with Dunlap and Wilcher and I was bathed in the warm glow of Pitino success.
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I'm sure CRP relied on Van Macon's assessment of players before deciding whether to offer them a roster spot or not. And then, consistent with how CRP does his rotations, I'm sure he told returning players that no one was guaranteed playing time let alone playing time. I'm sure that caused some players to bolt. Those who came in like Taylor, Dunlap and alleyne, have indicated in interviews that they were ok with that. So maybe the roster turnover was inevitable and justifiable.
 
logen said:
Of course, the difficulty in integrating virtually a whole new team went into the decision to do so but was deemed a risk that had to be taken. Just the way of things. It hasn’t worked out to anyone’s satisfaction so far this year but that’s life.
As for hiring Pitino, who would you have hired because it has been a VERY long time since St. Johns has been considered a quality job? Fraschilla was a quality hire at the time but self destructed on two fronts, overplaying his hand regarding desire to stay pat at St. Johns and overplaying his hand in terms of undressing. Jarvis was a retread, as were Lavin and Anderson, Roberts primarily a “poke and hope” stopgap after the Jarvis fiasco.
The Johnnie’s stumbled into Pitino and really had to go there, this doom and gloom because of the first year may turn out to be real but incredibly, incredibly premature IMO.
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I have no idea who could/should of been hired instead of Pitino, nor do I think that Pitino shouldn't have been hired. He has done many things better than Anderson, but his team still plays lousy defense and his offense is more duck & chuck just like Anderson's offense was. Also, many of his players are soft. He does do a better job handling time outs, which should make all the fans who support taking bad shots because we are a good offensive rebounding team happy. All I am saying is that he comes with baggage (age), and he has made mistakes on and off the court (not retaining some players from 2022/23 team) this year. I could puke every time someone posted, "In Rick We Trust" before he ever gave us a reason to trust him. I wonder what the level of trust is at this point in time.
 
AlBovino said:
I have no idea who could/should have been hired instead of Pitino, nor do I think that Pitino shouldn't have been hired. He has done many things better than Anderson, but his team still plays lousy defense and his offense is more duck & chuck just like Anderson's offense was. Also, many of his players are soft. He does do a better job handling time outs, which should make all the fans who support taking bad shots because we are a good offensive rebounding team happy. All I am saying is that he comes with baggage (age), and he has made mistakes on and off the court (not retaining some players from 2022/23 team) this year. I could puke every time someone posted, "In Rick We Trust" before he ever gave us a reason to trust him. I wonder what the level of trust is at this point in time.
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For those saying In Rick we trust is his very proven track record everywhere he has been in college. Speaks volumes. Although I have never said that it is very reasonable why people say it.
 
AlBovino said:
I have no idea who could/should of been hired instead of Pitino, nor do I think that Pitino shouldn't have been hired. He has done many things better than Anderson, but his team still plays lousy defense and his offense is more duck & chuck just like Anderson's offense was. Also, many of his players are soft. He does do a better job handling time outs, which should make all the fans who support taking bad shots because we are a good offensive rebounding team happy. All I am saying is that he comes with baggage (age), and he has made mistakes on and off the court (not retaining some players from 2022/23 team) this year. I could puke every time someone posted, "In Rick We Trust" before he ever gave us a reason to trust him. I wonder what the level of trust is at this point in time.
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Good post until you questioned fans having trust in Pitino. Glad I’m not in YOUR inner circle. 😳🤣
 
mjmaherjr said:
Lots of posts lately killing the kids they aren't big east players I saw some Soriano shouldn't have come back or he's not good posts.

The point it simple. Starting middle of our recruit landing almost every poster here pretty much got insanely happy. Virtually all of us now some are having short term memories
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+1000000000
 
SJU Center Court said:
…... I do think calling the Mullin instead of Hurley "a poor decision" is being generous to the SJU Administration. I would call it a "disaster"…..
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It seems like there are a lot of assumptions regrading the availability of Dan Hurley to StJ’s.

Yes, Hurley and Mullin were hired the same year but I doubt anyone in this thread has actual knowledge (not assumptions) that there was any interest whatsoever by Hurley?

Recall that Dan’s father did not exactly have a warm relationship with StJ’s.

UConn was then and is today a bitter gig than StJ’s
 
otis said:
It seems like there are a lot of assumptions regrading the availability of Dan Hurley to StJ’s.

Yes, Hurley and Mullin were hired the same year but I doubt anyone in this thread has actual knowledge (not assumptions) that there was any interest whatsoever by Hurley?

Recall that Dan’s father did not exactly have a warm relationship with StJ’s.

UConn was then and is today a bitter gig than StJ’s
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There is also an assumption that if hired at that time he would still be around. Which I strongly doubt. If he was available it still would have been better for the program than what transpired but it’s a leap to think he would not have used SJU as one more stepping stone. And that’s all in the past now anyway so not worth worrying about.
 
otis said:
Yes, Hurley and Mullin were hired the same year but I doubt anyone in this thread has actual knowledge (not assumptions) that there was any interest whatsoever by Hurley?
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Handshake agreement that Danny and Bobby would take over if Lavin's health did not permit a return.

So there 100 percent was interest on Danny's part, at least a few years before job actually opened.
 
dk423 said:
Isn't it common, public knowledge that Dan Hurley wanted the St. John's job?
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Jungle Dave from the other site works in hoops and is friends with Danny and he told me during that search that Danny wanted the St Johns job when we ended up with Mullin
 
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