Has the Hall become the hot school?

[monte]

Typical realfan trolling thread where he has to take a shot at Lavin....Most everyone can see right through this BS and I'm not sure why he's allowed to continue to troll here...It really takes away from the site, IMO

You guys probably know his style better than me since I'm still fairly new to this. But can we please stop calling for people's heads who have the "audacity" to have a different opinion? IMO it's refreshing and makes for a much more lively forum. There seems to be some strange sentiment that being positive is always the right and truthful outlook. Just because someone questions our program or coach does not mean he's "trolling", but simply has another opinion that he's entitled to. This is a constant vibe I've noticed on this forum with many different people. Trolling is when people purposely go on wild tangents or spam a board just to be annoying. Trolling is not the same as having a differing opinion. Just throwing that out there.

You said a mouthful.... You don't know the history of the OP, so why expound on it?

Most people know the difference between differing opinions versus flat-out irrational, stirring the pot crap.

No offense, but I'm not surprised to see you come to the rescue, per se'.

By the way, here is the definition of trolling.....


In Internet slang, a troll is a person troll who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

"Deliberate" is the key word. What's the evidence he is purposely trying to stir the pot? From my vantage point all I see is another view on the same topic (he wasn't going off like in your definition of trolling). Some of you need to relax and stop judging people so hard on here. It's a damn forum. This whole high school girl cliques sitting separately in the cafeteria is getting old. We are talking sports...it's supposed to be laid back and safe here, not a high school cafeteria environment. It wouldn't surprise me if it was a forum of 18 yr olds and twentysomethings, but many of you are married with kids. The snide remarks wear on people after a while, and we are all fans of the same team so it makes zero sense. It seems some on here want to be on their own little island full of "yes men" bobbleheads than experience a world of different opinions. Not everything is black and white...some of you forget the grey area.

I, particularly do not have a problem with you (like others have with you), but you don't get it.

Your last sentence is irony at its best. Pot meet kettle. You're certainly one who paints things black and white.

You can make a case that everyone paints things black and white at some point on here, but the difference is that I don't attack people I don't agree with. I will make my case and let them make theirs. When people state their opinions, is it not more mature to hear theirs out before condemning them and belittling them? It would make much more sense to show evidence contrary to their belief instead of calling them a "troll". Some famous scientist once said "When you present an argument and the other side resorts to name calling, it's a flattering sign because you have won". Having a condescending culture on here will definitely not attract new members or encourage passerby's to voice their opinions on here. Fanbases are not supposed to be divided hurling eggs at each other...they should be together despite their various opinions.

With that said I admitted before I'm still fairly new so maybe I missed big developments in the past, but either way he's only one of the people I see getting crucified over different opinions on here.

I am new to posting on this board and I have to agree. There is no reason people can't express there concern over future recruiting without constantly being told it will work out or in Lavin we trust.

During our honeymoon period with Mike Jarvis, I had the audacity to question whether he was quite as pius as he was presenting himself to be. Something about him just rubbed me the wrong way from the get go. I was immediately chastised for having the gall to question the the almighty Mike Jarvis. I was so ticked off that I stopped posting (not that I had so much to add lol) for a while. There's a big difference between someone who's a troll and someone who's opin might not jive with the general consensus. I have the utmost faith in Steve Lavin (after some initial reservations), but I for one welcome differing opinions, even if they are not mine.

 

[Redfaced]

Typical realfan trolling thread where he has to take a shot at Lavin....Most everyone can see right through this BS and I'm not sure why he's allowed to continue to troll here...It really takes away from the site, IMO

You guys probably know his style better than me since I'm still fairly new to this. But can we please stop calling for people's heads who have the "audacity" to have a different opinion? IMO it's refreshing and makes for a much more lively forum. There seems to be some strange sentiment that being positive is always the right and truthful outlook. Just because someone questions our program or coach does not mean he's "trolling", but simply has another opinion that he's entitled to. This is a constant vibe I've noticed on this forum with many different people. Trolling is when people purposely go on wild tangents or spam a board just to be annoying. Trolling is not the same as having a differing opinion. Just throwing that out there.

You said a mouthful.... You don't know the history of the OP, so why expound on it?

Most people know the difference between differing opinions versus flat-out irrational, stirring the pot crap.

No offense, but I'm not surprised to see you come to the rescue, per se'.

By the way, here is the definition of trolling.....


In Internet slang, a troll is a person troll who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

"Deliberate" is the key word. What's the evidence he is purposely trying to stir the pot? From my vantage point all I see is another view on the same topic (he wasn't going off like in your definition of trolling). Some of you need to relax and stop judging people so hard on here. It's a damn forum. This whole high school girl cliques sitting separately in the cafeteria is getting old. We are talking sports...it's supposed to be laid back and safe here, not a high school cafeteria environment. It wouldn't surprise me if it was a forum of 18 yr olds and twentysomethings, but many of you are married with kids. The snide remarks wear on people after a while, and we are all fans of the same team so it makes zero sense. It seems some on here want to be on their own little island full of "yes men" bobbleheads than experience a world of different opinions. Not everything is black and white...some of you forget the grey area.

I, particularly do not have a problem with you (like others have with you), but you don't get it.

Your last sentence is irony at its best. Pot meet kettle. You're certainly one who paints things black and white.

You can make a case that everyone paints things black and white at some point on here, but the difference is that I don't attack people I don't agree with. I will make my case and let them make theirs. When people state their opinions, is it not more mature to hear theirs out before condemning them and belittling them? It would make much more sense to show evidence contrary to their belief instead of calling them a "troll". Some famous scientist once said "When you present an argument and the other side resorts to name calling, it's a flattering sign because you have won". Having a condescending culture on here will definitely not attract new members or encourage passerby's to voice their opinions on here. Fanbases are not supposed to be divided hurling eggs at each other...they should be together despite their various opinions.

With that said I admitted before I'm still fairly new so maybe I missed big developments in the past, but either way he's only one of the people I see getting crucified over different opinions on here.

I am new to posting on this board and I have to agree. There is no reason people can't express there concern over future recruiting without constantly being told it will work out or in Lavin we trust.

Thanks Joe and Andrew. What you have to realize about this site is that there is a group of posters who bond together, are quite obnoxious and quite frankly limited. If you dare to question anything about the program, whether it be recruiting or whatever, you will be called a troll, other names or if you realy make sense or have a valid point, that they are unable to reply to, then you will be called Realfan. After a while it becomes quite comical. My original post did not in anyway say anything negative about our present staff. I was just trying to understand while all these recruits had such a heightened interest in the Hall, but look how it was interpreted. Anyway, even if I thought the staff was doing a poor job on the recruiting front, which we really.dont know as of yet, I would never state this as I would surely be thrown off the site. Only certain posters who are part of the good old boy club can get away with that as I'm sure that you are well aware of just who they are. What you will ultimately have to decide is, do you compromise your true feelings and become a so called "yes man" to remain on the site or do you remain a free thinker and run the risk of getting booted from the site as posters will call you a troll, say you stir the pot etc. and make a case for the mods to get rid of you. That will ultimately be what you will have to decide. In the mean time thanks for the support and good luck.

By the way, you better be careful agreeing with me. Some posters will claim that you are one of my many screen names and Realfan in disguise.

 

[Redfaced]

What does Delgado, Whitehead, Larrier and Carrington all have in common? They have all shown a greater degree of interest in the Hall over us. So my question then is why? Surely the coaching staff at the Hall does not have the reputation or charismatic personality of coach Lavin and staff so what's going on. Every time I read Zags blog it's about another player that we once were involved with now taking an official visit to the Hall. I am a little surprised to say the least in this turn of events.

And please, let's stop with the excuse that these kids, players want immediate playing time. As of next year, this team does not even have a legit player at the 4 position so there is plenty of playing time available there. So what's going on at the Hall?

Jakarr is not a legit player at the 4 position?

When I think of a power forward, a four, I think of an on the blocks, rebounding machine. I see Jakar as more of a 3 player with a more mobile, outside shooting, face the basket type player. And certainly at the next level, he would never play the 4.

 

[Marillac]

What does Delgado, Whitehead, Larrier and Carrington all have in common? They have all shown a greater degree of interest in the Hall over us. So my question then is why? Surely the coaching staff at the Hall does not have the reputation or charismatic personality of coach Lavin and staff so what's going on. Every time I read Zags blog it's about another player that we once were involved with now taking an official visit to the Hall. I am a little surprised to say the least in this turn of events.

And please, let's stop with the excuse that these kids, players want immediate playing time. As of next year, this team does not even have a legit player at the 4 position so there is plenty of playing time available there. So what's going on at the Hall?

Jakarr is not a legit player at the 4 position?

When I think of a power forward, a four, I think of an on the blocks, rebounding machine. I see Jakar as more of a 3 player with a more mobile, outside shooting, face the basket type player. And certainly at the next level, he would never play the 4.

Are you posting from a time machine?

 

[MJDinkins]

Typical realfan trolling thread where he has to take a shot at Lavin....Most everyone can see right through this BS and I'm not sure why he's allowed to continue to troll here...It really takes away from the site, IMO

You guys probably know his style better than me since I'm still fairly new to this. But can we please stop calling for people's heads who have the "audacity" to have a different opinion? IMO it's refreshing and makes for a much more lively forum. There seems to be some strange sentiment that being positive is always the right and truthful outlook. Just because someone questions our program or coach does not mean he's "trolling", but simply has another opinion that he's entitled to. This is a constant vibe I've noticed on this forum with many different people. Trolling is when people purposely go on wild tangents or spam a board just to be annoying. Trolling is not the same as having a differing opinion. Just throwing that out there.

You said a mouthful.... You don't know the history of the OP, so why expound on it?

Most people know the difference between differing opinions versus flat-out irrational, stirring the pot crap.

No offense, but I'm not surprised to see you come to the rescue, per se'.

By the way, here is the definition of trolling.....


In Internet slang, a troll is a person troll who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

"Deliberate" is the key word. What's the evidence he is purposely trying to stir the pot? From my vantage point all I see is another view on the same topic (he wasn't going off like in your definition of trolling). Some of you need to relax and stop judging people so hard on here. It's a damn forum. This whole high school girl cliques sitting separately in the cafeteria is getting old. We are talking sports...it's supposed to be laid back and safe here, not a high school cafeteria environment. It wouldn't surprise me if it was a forum of 18 yr olds and twentysomethings, but many of you are married with kids. The snide remarks wear on people after a while, and we are all fans of the same team so it makes zero sense. It seems some on here want to be on their own little island full of "yes men" bobbleheads than experience a world of different opinions. Not everything is black and white...some of you forget the grey area.

I, particularly do not have a problem with you (like others have with you), but you don't get it.

Your last sentence is irony at its best. Pot meet kettle. You're certainly one who paints things black and white.

You can make a case that everyone paints things black and white at some point on here, but the difference is that I don't attack people I don't agree with. I will make my case and let them make theirs. When people state their opinions, is it not more mature to hear theirs out before condemning them and belittling them? It would make much more sense to show evidence contrary to their belief instead of calling them a "troll". Some famous scientist once said "When you present an argument and the other side resorts to name calling, it's a flattering sign because you have won". Having a condescending culture on here will definitely not attract new members or encourage passerby's to voice their opinions on here. Fanbases are not supposed to be divided hurling eggs at each other...they should be together despite their various opinions.

With that said I admitted before I'm still fairly new so maybe I missed big developments in the past, but either way he's only one of the people I see getting crucified over different opinions on here.

I am new to posting on this board and I have to agree. There is no reason people can't express there concern over future recruiting without constantly being told it will work out or in Lavin we trust.

Thanks Joe and Andrew. What you have to realize about this site is that there is a group of posters who bond together, are quite obnoxious and quite frankly limited. If you dare to question anything about the program, whether it be recruiting or whatever, you will be called a troll, other names or if you realy make sense or have a valid point, that they are unable to reply to, then you will be called Realfan. After a while it becomes quite comical. My original post did not in anyway say anything negative about our present staff. I was just trying to understand while all these recruits had such a heightened interest in the Hall, but look how it was interpreted. Anyway, even if I thought the staff was doing a poor job on the recruiting front, which we really.dont know as of yet, I would never state this as I would surely be thrown off the site. Only certain posters who are part of the good old boy club can get away with that as I'm sure that you are well aware of just who they are. What you will ultimately have to decide is, do you compromise your true feelings and become a so called "yes man" to remain on the site or do you remain a free thinker and run the risk of getting booted from the site as posters will call you a troll, say you stir the pot etc. and make a case for the mods to get rid of you. That will ultimately be what you will have to decide. In the mean time thanks for the support and good luck.

By the way, you better be careful agreeing with me. Some posters will claim that you are one of my many screen names and Realfan in disguise.

Your post was made in a facetious manner to stir the pot. Anyone can see through the majority of your posts, transparent one.

You've been thrown off the site several times, fabricating-fraud. But for some reason you are allowed to post here. I have plenty of ammunition to show you are indeed realfan.

I'll agree with you, in reference that it does become quite comical. Very comical!

 

[fun]

it's supposed to be laid back and safe here, not a high school cafeteria

Agree. It should be safe here on the internets, not like a high school cafeteria, where danger lurks beneath every lunch tray. Like you I too never felt safe there and found meals terrifying, especially brunch. I don't know if it was the green jello they served in little paper cups or the hair nets the lunch ladies wore or the chow mein they used to serve every Tuesday but walking into the cafeteria was like storming the beach at Normandy. I can only imagine how much more difficult it was for your generation, with all the challenges it faces, such as high unemployment rates and gluten free pizza.

 

[Pleasedontbanmeagain]

it's supposed to be laid back and safe here, not a high school cafeteria

Agree. It should be safe here on the internets, not like a high school cafeteria, where danger lurks beneath every lunch tray. Like you I too never felt safe there and found meals terrifying, especially brunch. I don't know if it was the green jello they served in little paper cups or the hair nets the lunch ladies wore or the chow mein they used to serve every Tuesday but walking into the cafeteria was like storming the beach at Normandy. I can only imagine how much more difficult it was for your generation, with all the challenges it faces, such as high unemployment rates and gluten free pizza.

Fun would be much more "fun" if he were actually funny. He may have a good line every once in a while but he kills it by making it too long. Just food for thought buddy!

By the way, my point is proven. Having older posters coming out of the woodwork literally hiding and purposely not posting due to fear of ridicule. That's what I meant when I said that the culture of this site is at times quite negative and condescending (unless you are one of the "cool kids"). What does it say about the site if some posters are too scared to even voice their opinion in a FORUM?! Go back to ancient Greece and look up what a forum really is...I can assure you it encouraged diverse thought and opinion, not bobbleheads.

 

[usguard]

What does Delgado, Whitehead, Larrier and Carrington all have in common? They have all shown a greater degree of interest in the Hall over us. So my question then is why? Surely the coaching staff at the Hall does not have the reputation or charismatic personality of coach Lavin and staff so what's going on. Every time I read Zags blog it's about another player that we once were involved with now taking an official visit to the Hall. I am a little surprised to say the least in this turn of events.

And please, let's stop with the excuse that these kids, players want immediate playing time. As of next year, this team does not even have a legit player at the 4 position so there is plenty of playing time available there. So what's going on at the Hall?

Are you just trying to stir the pot?
Could it be Zag"s is doing them a little favour?
In any event lets look at the facts before the hysteria pervades.
Delgado followed his coach to the Hall, no more no less.
Whitehead and Carrington are 2 guards. For the next two seasons we have Dlo and Green, and have very little pt to offer a recruit at that position next year. Furthermore, we have Felix who will be a junior next season who most are very high on. While it would be nice to get Carrington what could he be promised? If you work super hard for two years you will have the opportunity to pass Felix on the depth chart in two years. Does not sound too attractive to the me I want it immediately generation.
Larrier is a small forward and at present we have Jakaar and Sir Dom. Same logic applies and none of us knows how long Jakaar will be on campus.
Good try with the tragedy but I don't buy into it for one second.

Well you make good points would still like top recruiting wanting to come to us like the old days Guess I wants it all and a bit impatient Love the team we have

 

[fun]

What does it say about the site if some posters are too scared to even voice their opinion in a FORUM?! Go back to ancient Greece and look up what a forum really is...I can assure you it encouraged diverse thought and opinion, not bobbleheads.

Forums were a feature of Roman civilization, not Greek.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_(Roman). Perhaps if you spent more time in the library reading and less time cowering under tables in the cafeteria you wouldn't be such an ignoramus. Just food for thought buddy. Exclamation point.

 

[rawdognyc]

some people here are so delusional... did Lavin not just grab the 17th ranked recruit 5 months ago? Where are we seeing this slump that people are referring to? I'm not part of the so called "good ol boys" on here. It's just plain as day that Joe, Jim and a few others just find anything to whine about. If Lavin signs the number 4 recruiting class they'll just complain that it wasn't 1, 2 or 3. When was the last time STJ had 6 players ranked in the Top 100 with 5 of them in the top 50? At least wait till next spring to complain about what a terrible job of recruiting Lav and company are doing.

 

[Redfaced]

Typical realfan trolling thread where he has to take a shot at Lavin....Most everyone can see right through this BS and I'm not sure why he's allowed to continue to troll here...It really takes away from the site, IMO

You guys probably know his style better than me since I'm still fairly new to this. But can we please stop calling for people's heads who have the "audacity" to have a different opinion? IMO it's refreshing and makes for a much more lively forum. There seems to be some strange sentiment that being positive is always the right and truthful outlook. Just because someone questions our program or coach does not mean he's "trolling", but simply has another opinion that he's entitled to. This is a constant vibe I've noticed on this forum with many different people. Trolling is when people purposely go on wild tangents or spam a board just to be annoying. Trolling is not the same as having a differing opinion. Just throwing that out there.

You said a mouthful.... You don't know the history of the OP, so why expound on it?

Most people know the difference between differing opinions versus flat-out irrational, stirring the pot crap.

No offense, but I'm not surprised to see you come to the rescue, per se'.

By the way, here is the definition of trolling.....


In Internet slang, a troll is a person troll who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

"Deliberate" is the key word. What's the evidence he is purposely trying to stir the pot? From my vantage point all I see is another view on the same topic (he wasn't going off like in your definition of trolling). Some of you need to relax and stop judging people so hard on here. It's a damn forum. This whole high school girl cliques sitting separately in the cafeteria is getting old. We are talking sports...it's supposed to be laid back and safe here, not a high school cafeteria environment. It wouldn't surprise me if it was a forum of 18 yr olds and twentysomethings, but many of you are married with kids. The snide remarks wear on people after a while, and we are all fans of the same team so it makes zero sense. It seems some on here want to be on their own little island full of "yes men" bobbleheads than experience a world of different opinions. Not everything is black and white...some of you forget the grey area.

I, particularly do not have a problem with you (like others have with you), but you don't get it.

Your last sentence is irony at its best. Pot meet kettle. You're certainly one who paints things black and white.

You can make a case that everyone paints things black and white at some point on here, but the difference is that I don't attack people I don't agree with. I will make my case and let them make theirs. When people state their opinions, is it not more mature to hear theirs out before condemning them and belittling them? It would make much more sense to show evidence contrary to their belief instead of calling them a "troll". Some famous scientist once said "When you present an argument and the other side resorts to name calling, it's a flattering sign because you have won". Having a condescending culture on here will definitely not attract new members or encourage passerby's to voice their opinions on here. Fanbases are not supposed to be divided hurling eggs at each other...they should be together despite their various opinions.

With that said I admitted before I'm still fairly new so maybe I missed big developments in the past, but either way he's only one of the people I see getting crucified over different opinions on here.

I am new to posting on this board and I have to agree. There is no reason people can't express there concern over future recruiting without constantly being told it will work out or in Lavin we trust.

Thanks Joe and Andrew. What you have to realize about this site is that there is a group of posters who bond together, are quite obnoxious and quite frankly limited. If you dare to question anything about the program, whether it be recruiting or whatever, you will be called a troll, other names or if you realy make sense or have a valid point, that they are unable to reply to, then you will be called Realfan. After a while it becomes quite comical. My original post did not in anyway say anything negative about our present staff. I was just trying to understand while all these recruits had such a heightened interest in the Hall, but look how it was interpreted. Anyway, even if I thought the staff was doing a poor job on the recruiting front, which we really.dont know as of yet, I would never state this as I would surely be thrown off the site. Only certain posters who are part of the good old boy club can get away with that as I'm sure that you are well aware of just who they are. What you will ultimately have to decide is, do you compromise your true feelings and become a so called "yes man" to remain on the site or do you remain a free thinker and run the risk of getting booted from the site as posters will call you a troll, say you stir the pot etc. and make a case for the mods to get rid of you. That will ultimately be what you will have to decide. In the mean time thanks for the support and good luck.

By the way, you better be careful agreeing with me. Some posters will claim that you are one of my many screen names and Realfan in disguise.

Your post was made in a facetious manner to stir the pot. Anyone can see through the majority of your posts, transparent one.

You've been thrown off the site several times, fabricating-fraud. But for some reason you are allowed to post here. I have plenty of ammunition to show you are indeed realfan.

I'll agree with you, in reference that it does become quite comical. Very comical!

Thanks for proving my point. Good job.

 

[Redfaced]

some people here are so delusional... did Lavin not just grab the 17th ranked recruit 5 months ago? Where are we seeing this slump that people are referring to? I'm not part of the so called "good ol boys" on here. It's just plain as day that Joe, Jim and a few others just find anything to whine about. If Lavin signs the number 4 recruiting class they'll just complain that it wasn't 1, 2 or 3. When was the last time STJ had 6 players ranked in the Top 100 with 5 of them in the top 50? At least wait till next spring to complain about what a terrible job of recruiting Lav and company are doing.

True Lavin did bring in Jordan, a top flight recruit, can't disagree on that. However, if you were to look at all of the front court players we have been involved with over the last two years why has he not gotten one commitment? The last front court player of worth that was brought in was 2 recruiting seasons ago in Chris O. How many big time programs can go two recruiting seasons without bringing in a high level front court recruit? And true, this recruiting season is not over, there is still more time but who is left to bring in. All the big names seemed to have us off their lists or have signed elsewhere. And let me make one thing clear here. I don't believe that this drop or should I say slow down in recruiting is Lavins fault. We have all seen how he and his staff have been working their butts off to get kids. This past summer is was most noted that they were all over the map looking at kids. My point is with the changing landscape of college hoops and the Big East (whether you want to admit this or not) not being the power conference it once was, those top kids are going to be harder to come by. Sure, we may land a Jordan now and then but the big schools land several of these kids on a regular basis. So for all you haters out there, keep calling me a troll, Realfan or whatever but that does not change the reality of the situation.

 

[rawdognyc]

some people here are so delusional... did Lavin not just grab the 17th ranked recruit 5 months ago? Where are we seeing this slump that people are referring to? I'm not part of the so called "good ol boys" on here. It's just plain as day that Joe, Jim and a few others just find anything to whine about. If Lavin signs the number 4 recruiting class they'll just complain that it wasn't 1, 2 or 3. When was the last time STJ had 6 players ranked in the Top 100 with 5 of them in the top 50? At least wait till next spring to complain about what a terrible job of recruiting Lav and company are doing.

True Lavin did bring in Jordan, a top flight recruit, can't disagree on that. However, if you were to look at all of the front court players we have been involved with over the last two years why has he not gotten one commitment? The last front court player of worth that was brought in was 2 recruiting seasons ago in Chris O. How many big time programs can go two recruiting seasons without bringing in a high level front court recruit? And true, this recruiting season is not over, there is still more time but who is left to bring in. All the big names seemed to have us off their lists or have signed elsewhere. And let me make one thing clear here. I don't believe that this drop or should I say slow down in recruiting is Lavins fault. We have all seen how he and his staff have been working their butts off to get kids. This past summer is was most noted that they were all over the map looking at kids. My point is with the changing landscape of college hoops and the Big East (whether you want to admit this or not) not being the power conference it once was, those top kids are going to be harder to come by. Sure, we may land a Jordan now and then but the big schools land several of these kids on a regular basis. So for all you haters out there, keep calling me a troll, Realfan or whatever but that does not change the reality of the situation.

To me, it all seems contradictory since you started a thread about the Hall being a hot bed for recruits and they are in the same conference as us with a lot less recruiting success then we have had. So you think we are going to have problems but not the Hall, Providence etc. It seems you talk about how great other programs in the Big East are doing in the recruiting game just because a recruit mentions them as a possible destination whether or not they actually sign with that school seems irrelevant to your argument. Lavin has a plan. Just coz zags or some other blog doesnt tell you doesn't mean you should get your panties in a bunch. He will bring in the necessary pieces. Just be patient young grasshopper ;-)

 

[Class of 72]

some people here are so delusional... did Lavin not just grab the 17th ranked recruit 5 months ago? Where are we seeing this slump that people are referring to? I'm not part of the so called "good ol boys" on here. It's just plain as day that Joe, Jim and a few others just find anything to whine about. If Lavin signs the number 4 recruiting class they'll just complain that it wasn't 1, 2 or 3. When was the last time STJ had 6 players ranked in the Top 100 with 5 of them in the top 50? At least wait till next spring to complain about what a terrible job of recruiting Lav and company are doing.

Of course you are correct and we do have more top 100 players putting us up there with Georgetown. It is actually a minor miracle since we have not been a name program in close to 20 years! Let us hope that hiring another coach to help Lav "coach" pays dividends this year. I also see the point a few make about recruiting big men. Gift was rendered an afterthought on a Lavin team, CO still can only block shots and Primo has yet to prove anything. Until big men see SJ as a program with an opportunity for bigs to develop (and play) getting premium bigs will be a challenge for Lavin. Of course, premium bigs are a "premium" so I think we all will be more than happy if we get players in the Karr/Harkless categories along with quality guards.
What Lavin has not proven to the critics and his former buddies at ESPN is that he can win with this group. This is the year to do it.

 

[MJDinkins]

some people here are so delusional... did Lavin not just grab the 17th ranked recruit 5 months ago? Where are we seeing this slump that people are referring to? I'm not part of the so called "good ol boys" on here. It's just plain as day that Joe, Jim and a few others just find anything to whine about. If Lavin signs the number 4 recruiting class they'll just complain that it wasn't 1, 2 or 3. When was the last time STJ had 6 players ranked in the Top 100 with 5 of them in the top 50? At least wait till next spring to complain about what a terrible job of recruiting Lav and company are doing.

True Lavin did bring in Jordan, a top flight recruit, can't disagree on that. However, if you were to look at all of the front court players we have been involved with over the last two years why has he not gotten one commitment? The last front court player of worth that was brought in was 2 recruiting seasons ago in Chris O. How many big time programs can go two recruiting seasons without bringing in a high level front court recruit? And true, this recruiting season is not over, there is still more time but who is left to bring in. All the big names seemed to have us off their lists or have signed elsewhere. And let me make one thing clear here. I don't believe that this drop or should I say slow down in recruiting is Lavins fault. We have all seen how he and his staff have been working their butts off to get kids. This past summer is was most noted that they were all over the map looking at kids. My point is with the changing landscape of college hoops and the Big East (whether you want to admit this or not) not being the power conference it once was, those top kids are going to be harder to come by. Sure, we may land a Jordan now and then but the big schools land several of these kids on a regular basis. So for all you haters out there, keep calling me a troll, Realfan or whatever but that does not change the reality of the situation.

To me, it all seems contradictory since you started a thread about the Hall being a hot bed for recruits and they are in the same conference as us with a lot less recruiting success then we have had. So you think we are going to have problems but not the Hall, Providence etc. It seems you talk about how great other programs in the Big East are doing in the recruiting game just because a recruit mentions them as a possible destination whether or not they actually sign with that school seems irrelevant to your argument. Lavin has a plan. Just coz zags or some other blog doesnt tell you doesn't mean you should get your panties in a bunch. He will bring in the necessary pieces. Just be patient young grasshopper ;-)

Bingo! It is contradictory, and he's shown what I've been stating about him in that post alone.... He's a fabricating-fraud. The title of his post, and initial post doesn't even jive with his latest reply. The post was made in a facetious manner to take a shot at Lavin and the staff in relation to recruiting. He was just caught blatantly fabricating. Plain and simple.

Redmannorth and Marillac nicely reiterated what I mentioned in my second post in this thread. Section 3 also had a good post, in relation to Seton Hall and Antigua.

Why would anyone "hate" on a phony coward like you?

 

[Andrew]

some people here are so delusional... did Lavin not just grab the 17th ranked recruit 5 months ago? Where are we seeing this slump that people are referring to? I'm not part of the so called "good ol boys" on here. It's just plain as day that Joe, Jim and a few others just find anything to whine about. If Lavin signs the number 4 recruiting class they'll just complain that it wasn't 1, 2 or 3. When was the last time STJ had 6 players ranked in the Top 100 with 5 of them in the top 50? At least wait till next spring to complain about what a terrible job of recruiting Lav and company are doing.

True Lavin did bring in Jordan, a top flight recruit, can't disagree on that. However, if you were to look at all of the front court players we have been involved with over the last two years why has he not gotten one commitment? The last front court player of worth that was brought in was 2 recruiting seasons ago in Chris O. How many big time programs can go two recruiting seasons without bringing in a high level front court recruit? And true, this recruiting season is not over, there is still more time but who is left to bring in. All the big names seemed to have us off their lists or have signed elsewhere. And let me make one thing clear here. I don't believe that this drop or should I say slow down in recruiting is Lavins fault. We have all seen how he and his staff have been working their butts off to get kids. This past summer is was most noted that they were all over the map looking at kids. My point is with the changing landscape of college hoops and the Big East (whether you want to admit this or not) not being the power conference it once was, those top kids are going to be harder to come by. Sure, we may land a Jordan now and then but the big schools land several of these kids on a regular basis. So for all you haters out there, keep calling me a troll, Realfan or whatever but that does not change the reality of the situation.

To me, it all seems contradictory since you started a thread about the Hall being a hot bed for recruits and they are in the same conference as us with a lot less recruiting success then we have had. So you think we are going to have problems but not the Hall, Providence etc. It seems you talk about how great other programs in the Big East are doing in the recruiting game just because a recruit mentions them as a possible destination whether or not they actually sign with that school seems irrelevant to your argument. Lavin has a plan. Just coz zags or some other blog doesnt tell you doesn't mean you should get your panties in a bunch. He will bring in the necessary pieces. Just be patient young grasshopper ;-)

I think that Lavin has done a great job recruiting. His first class was amazing, but I believe was aided by his national prominence from being on ESPN and the fact that the majority of his inherited team were seniors. The recruiting since then has been tactical and good. Unfortunately the play on the court the last two years has not been very good. I think this has hurt the momentum that he had. I hope this year's team will play great on the court and will help recruiting moving forward. I am not that concerned about playing in the new Big East if St John's could establish an identity as a cool place to play basketball and be in New York. Schools like Memphis and UNLV have had successful periods while playing in average conferences. They have established a strong brand name. My hope is that St John's can re-establish the strong brand name that it had and make the NCAA tournament most of the next ten years.

 

[Redfaced]

some people here are so delusional... did Lavin not just grab the 17th ranked recruit 5 months ago? Where are we seeing this slump that people are referring to? I'm not part of the so called "good ol boys" on here. It's just plain as day that Joe, Jim and a few others just find anything to whine about. If Lavin signs the number 4 recruiting class they'll just complain that it wasn't 1, 2 or 3. When was the last time STJ had 6 players ranked in the Top 100 with 5 of them in the top 50? At least wait till next spring to complain about what a terrible job of recruiting Lav and company are doing.

True Lavin did bring in Jordan, a top flight recruit, can't disagree on that. However, if you were to look at all of the front court players we have been involved with over the last two years why has he not gotten one commitment? The last front court player of worth that was brought in was 2 recruiting seasons ago in Chris O. How many big time programs can go two recruiting seasons without bringing in a high level front court recruit? And true, this recruiting season is not over, there is still more time but who is left to bring in. All the big names seemed to have us off their lists or have signed elsewhere. And let me make one thing clear here. I don't believe that this drop or should I say slow down in recruiting is Lavins fault. We have all seen how he and his staff have been working their butts off to get kids. This past summer is was most noted that they were all over the map looking at kids. My point is with the changing landscape of college hoops and the Big East (whether you want to admit this or not) not being the power conference it once was, those top kids are going to be harder to come by. Sure, we may land a Jordan now and then but the big schools land several of these kids on a regular basis. So for all you haters out there, keep calling me a troll, Realfan or whatever but that does not change the reality of the situation.

To me, it all seems contradictory since you started a thread about the Hall being a hot bed for recruits and they are in the same conference as us with a lot less recruiting success then we have had. So you think we are going to have problems but not the Hall, Providence etc. It seems you talk about how great other programs in the Big East are doing in the recruiting game just because a recruit mentions them as a possible destination whether or not they actually sign with that school seems irrelevant to your argument. Lavin has a plan. Just coz zags or some other blog doesnt tell you doesn't mean you should get your panties in a bunch. He will bring in the necessary pieces. Just be patient young grasshopper ;-)

Bingo! It is contradictory, and he's shown what I've been stating about him in that post alone.... He's a fabricating-fraud. The title of his post, and initial post doesn't even jive with his latest reply. The post was made in a facetious manner to take a shot at Lavin and the staff in relation to recruiting. He was just caught blatantly fabricating. Plain and simple.

Redmannorth and Marillac nicely reiterated what I mentioned in my second post in this thread. Section 3 also had a good post, in relation to Seton Hall and Antigua.

Why would anyone "hate" on a phony coward like you?

You know that's what I always ask myself, ( not the coward part though) then again, I did say that those who do hate, are somewhat limited. A category that you most surely fall squarely into.

 

[Redfaced]

some people here are so delusional... did Lavin not just grab the 17th ranked recruit 5 months ago? Where are we seeing this slump that people are referring to? I'm not part of the so called "good ol boys" on here. It's just plain as day that Joe, Jim and a few others just find anything to whine about. If Lavin signs the number 4 recruiting class they'll just complain that it wasn't 1, 2 or 3. When was the last time STJ had 6 players ranked in the Top 100 with 5 of them in the top 50? At least wait till next spring to complain about what a terrible job of recruiting Lav and company are doing.

True Lavin did bring in Jordan, a top flight recruit, can't disagree on that. However, if you were to look at all of the front court players we have been involved with over the last two years why has he not gotten one commitment? The last front court player of worth that was brought in was 2 recruiting seasons ago in Chris O. How many big time programs can go two recruiting seasons without bringing in a high level front court recruit? And true, this recruiting season is not over, there is still more time but who is left to bring in. All the big names seemed to have us off their lists or have signed elsewhere. And let me make one thing clear here. I don't believe that this drop or should I say slow down in recruiting is Lavins fault. We have all seen how he and his staff have been working their butts off to get kids. This past summer is was most noted that they were all over the map looking at kids. My point is with the changing landscape of college hoops and the Big East (whether you want to admit this or not) not being the power conference it once was, those top kids are going to be harder to come by. Sure, we may land a Jordan now and then but the big schools land several of these kids on a regular basis. So for all you haters out there, keep calling me a troll, Realfan or whatever but that does not change the reality of the situation.

To me, it all seems contradictory since you started a thread about the Hall being a hot bed for recruits and they are in the same conference as us with a lot less recruiting success then we have had. So you think we are going to have problems but not the Hall, Providence etc. It seems you talk about how great other programs in the Big East are doing in the recruiting game just because a recruit mentions them as a possible destination whether or not they actually sign with that school seems irrelevant to your argument. Lavin has a plan. Just coz zags or some other blog doesnt tell you doesn't mean you should get your panties in a bunch. He will bring in the necessary pieces. Just be patient young grasshopper ;-)

Thanks for the young grasshopper comment. I wish I were that. Lol. But if you were to re read my post, I never said that the Hall was the hot school, my post questioned why there was so much interest in the Hall when we clearly seemed to have the advantage staff wise. I understand the Antigua connection, but why the others. I didn't post to miss lead or stir up anything as one particular poster would have you believe, I was realy trying to find out if anyone knew what was going on over there for these kids to be giving them such a look? I sure hope Lavin does bring in good players, I hope we never repeat the debacles we've had against the Cuses of the world in the past.

 

[Redfaced]

some people here are so delusional... did Lavin not just grab the 17th ranked recruit 5 months ago? Where are we seeing this slump that people are referring to? I'm not part of the so called "good ol boys" on here. It's just plain as day that Joe, Jim and a few others just find anything to whine about. If Lavin signs the number 4 recruiting class they'll just complain that it wasn't 1, 2 or 3. When was the last time STJ had 6 players ranked in the Top 100 with 5 of them in the top 50? At least wait till next spring to complain about what a terrible job of recruiting Lav and company are doing.

True Lavin did bring in Jordan, a top flight recruit, can't disagree on that. However, if you were to look at all of the front court players we have been involved with over the last two years why has he not gotten one commitment? The last front court player of worth that was brought in was 2 recruiting seasons ago in Chris O. How many big time programs can go two recruiting seasons without bringing in a high level front court recruit? And true, this recruiting season is not over, there is still more time but who is left to bring in. All the big names seemed to have us off their lists or have signed elsewhere. And let me make one thing clear here. I don't believe that this drop or should I say slow down in recruiting is Lavins fault. We have all seen how he and his staff have been working their butts off to get kids. This past summer is was most noted that they were all over the map looking at kids. My point is with the changing landscape of college hoops and the Big East (whether you want to admit this or not) not being the power conference it once was, those top kids are going to be harder to come by. Sure, we may land a Jordan now and then but the big schools land several of these kids on a regular basis. So for all you haters out there, keep calling me a troll, Realfan or whatever but that does not change the reality of the situation.

To me, it all seems contradictory since you started a thread about the Hall being a hot bed for recruits and they are in the same conference as us with a lot less recruiting success then we have had. So you think we are going to have problems but not the Hall, Providence etc. It seems you talk about how great other programs in the Big East are doing in the recruiting game just because a recruit mentions them as a possible destination whether or not they actually sign with that school seems irrelevant to your argument. Lavin has a plan. Just coz zags or some other blog doesnt tell you doesn't mean you should get your panties in a bunch. He will bring in the necessary pieces. Just be patient young grasshopper ;-)

I think that Lavin has done a great job recruiting. His first class was amazing, but I believe was aided by his national prominence from being on ESPN and the fact that the majority of his inherited team were seniors. The recruiting since then has been tactical and good. Unfortunately the play on the court the last two years has not been very good. I think this has hurt the momentum that he had. I hope this year's team will play great on the court and will help recruiting moving forward. I am not that concerned about playing in the new Big East if St John's could establish an identity as a cool place to play basketball and be in New York. Schools like Memphis and UNLV have had successful periods while playing in average conferences. They have established a strong brand name. My hope is that St John's can re-establish the strong brand name that it had and make the NCAA tournament most of the next ten years.

Very good post, I think that all fans wish the same.

 

[Pleasedontbanmeagain]

What does it say about the site if some posters are too scared to even voice their opinion in a FORUM?! Go back to ancient Greece and look up what a forum really is...I can assure you it encouraged diverse thought and opinion, not bobbleheads.

Forums were a feature of Roman civilization, not Greek.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_(Roman). Perhaps if you spent more time in the library reading and less time cowering under tables in the cafeteria you wouldn't be such an ignoramus. Just food for thought buddy. Exclamation point.

And my point remains the same. Interesting how you focus on the technicalities rather than the point itself. A sure sign of someone trying too hard. You remind me of Fozzie bear...try too hard and end up with tomato on your face. Honestly I'm not even sure why you're allowed on this forum. You are not an SJU fan, you are the true definition of a troll whose sole purpose is to stoke flames and try to crack stupid jokes. All you do is sit back and plan your next wise cracks that no doubt takes you a few hours to contemplate in an attempt to seem intellectual. You have no purpose on this forum.