Guys on Matt’s Radar

So here we are, without the big (or two!) that the consensus of forum posters say we need, and no technical 'ships left to give (assuming I understand this whole transfer eligibility scholarship stuff) - BUT, there appears to be at least some conjecture that there *may* be still an opportunity to get someone, due to another 'ship opening up (or bad math/lack of understanding of available 'ships on my part). The overall impression also seems to be the best of the high level bigs are either gone already or are not likely to come our way for any number of reasons, leaving us with a rapidly diminishing (talent wise) number of bigs to target.

With that said, if my assumptions are right and these are the only two choices, which would everyone rather have?

A. The current roster, as it exists today, April 21, 2018; OR

B. The loss of one player on the current roster and the additional of one of the still available, but less than optimal bigs? (Caveat: The big must be at least reasonably possible for us to sign)
 
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[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=282049]I wonder if one of the reasons Owens left is he felt his role would diminish w Keita on board and he no longer would be a starter? That said, Owens loss hurts more than I thought it would. It is true his numbers were far from great considering minutes played. But I figured we would get a grad big to neutralize his loss. That does not seem to be the case and we will have a problem w depth at the 4 and 5 again.[/quote] I dont know for fact but I think the plan was he was going to be a good amount at the 4 with Keita at the 5.
 
[quote="PharmaJohnny" post=282050]So here we are, without the big (or two!) that the consensus of forum posters say we need, and no technical 'ships left to give (assuming I understand this whole transfer eligibility scholarship stuff) - BUT, there appears to be at least some conjecture that there *may* be still an opportunity to get someone, due to another 'ship opening up (or bad math/lack of understanding of available 'ships on my part). The overall impression also seems to be the best of the high level bigs are either gone already or are not likely to come our way for any number of reasons, leaving us with a rapidly diminishing (talent wise) number of bigs to target.

With that said, if my assumptions are right and these are the only two choices, which would everyone rather have?

A. The current roster, as it exists today, April 21, 2018; OR

B. The loss of one player on the current roster and the additional of one of the still available, but less than optimal bigs? (Caveat: The big must be at least reasonably possible for us to sign)[/quote]

B because I dont think one player is healthy enough to play as of now and who knows if that person will be healthy even in the new season
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=282053][quote="PharmaJohnny" post=282050]So here we are, without the big (or two!) that the consensus of forum posters say we need, and no technical 'ships left to give (assuming I understand this whole transfer eligibility scholarship stuff) - BUT, there appears to be at least some conjecture that there *may* be still an opportunity to get someone, due to another 'ship opening up (or bad math/lack of understanding of available 'ships on my part). The overall impression also seems to be the best of the high level bigs are either gone already or are not likely to come our way for any number of reasons, leaving us with a rapidly diminishing (talent wise) number of bigs to target.

With that said, if my assumptions are right and these are the only two choices, which would everyone rather have?

A. The current roster, as it exists today, April 21, 2018; OR

B. The loss of one player on the current roster and the additional of one of the still available, but less than optimal bigs? (Caveat: The big must be at least reasonably possible for us to sign)[/quote]

B because I dont think one player is healthy enough to play as of now and who knows if that person will be healthy even in the new season[/quote]

Understandable, but I guess I'm so reluctant to see yet another slow big with the all too common hands of stone in one of our uniforms, particularly with how fast and talented and (hopefully) crisp passing we're likely to be next year. Simply put, I'm almost afraid that it will be more harm than good, and that getting a big simply for the sake of having more size could actually hurt.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=282030][quote="sjc88" post=282026]NCJohnnie, Exactly what I was thinking. Maybe Keita picks up some of the shot blocking. Guys who watched our games last season know that some bad D was covered by some shot blocking. Just need to change some of the approach based on current player skills.[/quote]

Shot blocking is a fan's pizzazz, but over-rated. As are steals. How many blocks did we achieve or steals did we execute last season that turned into points for us?
Answer: Dunno? But my gut says, not many for us. I saw so many steals turned into T/Os at the other end either by blocks or steals by the enemy, or misses by us.
Tariq was a nice but very limited player for us. Keita, imo, neutralizes Tariq and replaces him with more rebounds and 'some' blocks and about the same P/G.
Are we deficient in 'big' depth and rebounding muscle?
Yes.
I hear the plaints for a 'big'.
But what is the cost...'now'?
What's the value of those 'bigs' still available?
And how does that value compare to the value of guards potentially available to us?
To me--that is the crux of it.
For example, Femi or Kisunas or Walker or T. Porter might be worth 2 - 3 games / year in 2018-19 versus what a Dachon Burke would produce over the 2020-22 seasons.
Okay. Production 'now', for production down the road...and dancing long in the NCAAs?
Done.
But a 'blue dot special'... 'now' versus a DB??
That, my fellow fanatics is a very very different question.[/quote]
Not sure I agree with you about shot-blocking and steals being overrated. The latter, especially, can quickly turn around the momentum of a game, particularly when there are two or three consecutive ones, something we saw a number of times this past season.
 
[quote="redken" post=282060][quote="Chicago Days" post=282030][quote="sjc88" post=282026]NCJohnnie, Exactly what I was thinking. Maybe Keita picks up some of the shot blocking. Guys who watched our games last season know that some bad D was covered by some shot blocking. Just need to change some of the approach based on current player skills.[/quote]

Shot blocking is a fan's pizzazz, but over-rated. As are steals. How many blocks did we achieve or steals did we execute last season that turned into points for us?
Answer: Dunno? But my gut says, not many for us. I saw so many steals turned into T/Os at the other end either by blocks or steals by the enemy, or misses by us.
Tariq was a nice but very limited player for us. Keita, imo, neutralizes Tariq and replaces him with more rebounds and 'some' blocks and about the same P/G.
Are we deficient in 'big' depth and rebounding muscle?
Yes.
I hear the plaints for a 'big'.
But what is the cost...'now'?
What's the value of those 'bigs' still available?
And how does that value compare to the value of guards potentially available to us?
To me--that is the crux of it.
For example, Femi or Kisunas or Walker or T. Porter might be worth 2 - 3 games / year in 2018-19 versus what a Dachon Burke would produce over the 2020-22 seasons.
Okay. Production 'now', for production down the road...and dancing long in the NCAAs?
Done.
But a 'blue dot special'... 'now' versus a DB??
That, my fellow fanatics is a very very different question.[/quote]
Not sure I agree with you about shot-blocking and steals being overrated. The latter, especially, can quickly turn around the momentum of a game, particularly when there are two or three consecutive ones, something we saw a number of times this past season.[/quote]

It really depends on the context of the blocks and steals. Most blocks and steals at this level are “off the ball”. Are the blocks a product of good team rotations, legitimate help in a team concept or as we saw two years the result of constant breakdowns by the guards not containing the ball and diving for steals. Steals the same way, are they created by defensive pressure on the ball, overplaying lanes off the ball causing poor passes, panic plays by the offense or a result of guys just constantly diving and coming up with a steal now and then but otherwise always causing defensive breakdowns. Two years ago our steals and blocks were essentially fools gold. Last year not so much outside of Ponds who was still a generally poor defender with misleading steal stats.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=282051]http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/042118aac.html[/quote]


See he grew an inch to 6'6". Great! Very happy we got him. A legit scorer. Thinking he'll make a big impact in our offense and hopefully, D as well.
 
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We may still get to see Femi :)
NC A&T grad transfer big man Femi Olujobi (@Floading_) announces his Final 4: Hofstra, DePaul, Butler, and Georgetown. 6-8 Long Island native averaged 16.3 points per game and 7.7 rebounds while showcasing a little bit of floor-spacing ability.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=282069]We may still get to see Femi :)
NC A&T grad transfer big man Femi Olujobi (@Floading_) announces his Final 4: Hofstra, DePaul, Butler, and Georgetown. 6-8 Long Island native averaged 16.3 points per game and 7.7 rebounds while showcasing a little bit of floor-spacing ability.[/quote]

couldn't even beat out Hofstra?
 
[quote="Logen" post=282065][quote="redken" post=282060][quote="Chicago Days" post=282030][quote="sjc88" post=282026]NCJohnnie, Exactly what I was thinking. Maybe Keita picks up some of the shot blocking. Guys who watched our games last season know that some bad D was covered by some shot blocking. Just need to change some of the approach based on current player skills.[/quote]

Shot blocking is a fan's pizzazz, but over-rated. As are steals. How many blocks did we achieve or steals did we execute last season that turned into points for us?
Answer: Dunno? But my gut says, not many for us. I saw so many steals turned into T/Os at the other end either by blocks or steals by the enemy, or misses by us.
Tariq was a nice but very limited player for us. Keita, imo, neutralizes Tariq and replaces him with more rebounds and 'some' blocks and about the same P/G.
Are we deficient in 'big' depth and rebounding muscle?
Yes.
I hear the plaints for a 'big'.
But what is the cost...'now'?
What's the value of those 'bigs' still available?
And how does that value compare to the value of guards potentially available to us?
To me--that is the crux of it.
For example, Femi or Kisunas or Walker or T. Porter might be worth 2 - 3 games / year in 2018-19 versus what a Dachon Burke would produce over the 2020-22 seasons.
Okay. Production 'now', for production down the road...and dancing long in the NCAAs?
Done.
But a 'blue dot special'... 'now' versus a DB??
That, my fellow fanatics is a very very different question.[/quote]
Not sure I agree with you about shot-blocking and steals being overrated. The latter, especially, can quickly turn around the momentum of a game, particularly when there are two or three consecutive ones, something we saw a number of times this past season.[/quote]

It really depends on the context of the blocks and steals. Most blocks and steals at this level are “off the ball”. Are the blocks a product of good team rotations, legitimate help in a team concept or as we saw two years the result of constant breakdowns by the guards not containing the ball and diving for steals. Steals the same way, are they created by defensive pressure on the ball, overplaying lanes off the ball causing poor passes, panic plays by the offense or a result of guys just constantly diving and coming up with a steal now and then but otherwise always causing defensive breakdowns. Two years ago our steals and blocks were essentially fools gold. Last year not so much outside of Ponds who was still a generally poor defender with misleading steal stats.[/quote]

Hey Red and Logen, I luv blocks & steals by us also, but while I didn't have my trusty abacus handy, it seemed there were multiple times last season, we didn't 'finish' on those steals.
Ponds / Simon (our two primary steal guys) either turned the ball over on the ensuing drive--or missed the shot, and yeah the 'rebound' was snared by the 'enemy'.
Both Ponds and Simon have to play smarter, under 'some' control, this upcoming season and Ponds has to play better D.
 
What about Desean Murray from Auburn? Matt A is still following him on twitter. He's not exactly the prototypical big man, but he did average 10.1 PPG and 6.7 RPG last year.
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=282031][quote="Chicago Days" post=282030][quote="sjc88" post=282026]NCJohnnie, Exactly what I was thinking. Maybe Keita picks up some of the shot blocking. Guys who watched our games last season know that some bad D was covered by some shot blocking. Just need to change some of the approach based on current player skills.[/quote]

Shot blocking is a fan's pizzazz, but over-rated. As are steals. How many blocks did we achieve or steals did we execute last season that turned into points for us?
Answer: Dunno? But my gut says, not many for us. I saw so many steals turned into T/Os at the other end either by blocks or steals by the enemy, or misses by us.
Tariq was a nice but very limited player for us. Keita, imo, neutralizes Tariq and replaces him with more rebounds and 'some' blocks and about the same P/G.
Are we deficient in 'big' depth and rebounding muscle?
Yes.
I hear the plaints for a 'big'.
But what is the cost...'now'?
What's the value of those 'bigs' still available?
And how does that value compare to the value of guards potentially available to us?
To me--that is the crux of it.
For example, Femi or Kisunas or Walker or T. Porter might be worth 2 - 3 games / year in 2018-19 versus what a Dachon Burke would produce over the 2020-22 seasons.
Okay. Production 'now', for production down the road...and dancing long in the NCAAs?
Done.
But a 'blue dot special'... 'now' versus a DB??
That, my fellow fanatics is a very very different question.[/quote]

There is no question in my mind that we need a serviceable big this year. Figueroa appears to be a very nice pickup but we still suffer from the same lack of depth and interior play that we did last year. And, as many have pointed out, Keita is a big question mark. Even if he turns out to be solid, he will likely be succeptible to foul trouble and we preserntly have no legitimate backup.

Burke may be terrific, but having three sitout transfers and three freshman who are projected to be limited impact players — at least initially — puts us at an enormous disadvantage. Further, we presently have a plethora of guards slated for next year so getting Burke does not fill an overwhelming need, particularly in light of the fact that he would have to sit out a year. Should the need arise next year, I trust the staff’s ability to be able to add a guard of Burke’s quality.

Bottom line is we need to be successful this year. If not, future recruiting will invariably continue to dry up. If we do achieve success this year, adding players the caliber of Burke who are immediately eligible should provr less elusive.

All this is to say that if a scholarship opens up, we should continue to make a play for a serviceable immediately eligible big. The ideal big doesn’t need to be as skilled as Femi. At this point, give me a 6’8 banger who is a solid interior defender and can give us 15-20 minutes a game, 5-6 points, and four rebounds and I’d be thrilled. I think it’s worth passing up on Burke if we can get that kind of production.[/quote]

You make great points, Boo. I hear you. I'd like a 'solid' big too.
But, it's humorous how our 'label/modifier' for that 'Grad Big' has drifted, from a 'quality' BEC-ready big, to a 'solid' big, to a 'serviceable' big.
I may draw the line on 'serviceable', given my view that LJ will dramatically revitalize the offense, dishing out assists, snaring rebounds, be deadly from 3-pt land, tough on D, and that Keita gets us more rebounds than Owens, and our 'bench' of Roberts/Earlington is a tad better than Ali/Yakwe.
I hear you; guys really do.
I just think DB would be a better asset than any 'serviceable' big we could get to join the team.
I could be wrong.
Hope that I am.
Let's go Johnnies.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=282032]http://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/18142263

Keita can do a bit of it. That said, I still think we could really use another big guy grad transfer. This is purely because teams that have good big men will abuse us and change our whole game plan to stop them if Keita is out of the game. Earlington isn’t gonna be guarding any serious 7-footers. We are gonna feel the loss of our big guys. One big body could really help for this upcoming season.[/quote]

I agree that's a concern. My question is will a 'journeyman' big make much of a difference? Adonis De La Rosa anybody??
 
[quote="R S O" post=282073]What about Desean Murray from Auburn? Matt A is still following him on twitter. He's not exactly the prototypical big man, but he did average 10.1 PPG and 6.7 RPG last year.[/quote]

I thought of him as well. He works-despite the non-typical 'size'--and would justify my value gauge of 'now' for 'later'.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=282069]We may still get to see Femi :)
NC A&T grad transfer big man Femi Olujobi (@Floading_) announces his Final 4: Hofstra, DePaul, Butler, and Georgetown. 6-8 Long Island native averaged 16.3 points per game and 7.7 rebounds while showcasing a little bit of floor-spacing ability.[/quote]


Arrrggh!!!
 
RSO wrote: What about Desean Murray from Auburn? Matt A is still following him on twitter. He's not exactly the prototypical big man, but he did average 10.1 PPG and 6.7 RPG last year.

On the one hand, I'd really like to see us get someone taller than 6'3". Having said that, this guy rebounded very well in the SEC and if it comes to a choice between him and yet another sit out transfer, I would take him in a minute. Three sit out transfers is just too many. All it takes is a couple of injuries and we'd be completely up the creek and the staff would really look bad.
 
[quote="Steve Knortz" post=282082]Not that SJU has any room, but this guy just got his release from Alabama. Stats are not wow, but they are decent and he is 6-8.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066240/braxton-key[/quote]
Had really nice fr year (put name in draft) got hurt came into this year coming off injury and got less playing time due to more depth. Seemed to have a bit of an attitude problem, did not seem fully engaged maybe over jealousy toward team being taken over by freshman PG Colin Sexton and reduced PT.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=282080]RSO wrote: What about Desean Murray from Auburn? Matt A is still following him on twitter. He's not exactly the prototypical big man, but he did average 10.1 PPG and 6.7 RPG last year.

On the one hand, I'd really like to see us get someone taller than 6'3". Having said that, this guy rebounded very well in the SEC and if it comes to a choice between him and yet another sit out transfer, I would take him in a minute. Three sit out transfers is just too many. All it takes is a couple of injuries and we'd be completely up the creek and the staff would really look bad.[/quote]

The guy has great stats: played ~24 mins / game, averaged 10p/g, 6.7TRBs/g, 4.0 D-REBs/g, ~50% from 2-pt range, 32% from 3pt land, 84% from the charity stripe...and moved up from lesser competition the year before.
Now, this guy I'd trade a DB for.
Do we have a shot?
 
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