Greg St. Jean

[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=341183]The constant theme of this Board is Toxicity . There are about a Dozen posters on here that are committed to negativity at every turn . We all know the most vocal of protagonists and he’s inflamed this Board for too long , without any censure . It seems to me that the most Toxic of posters aren’t Alumni of the University , just Critics . Which we need far less of . Even , if you thought Mullin wasn’t a effective Coach , there is a level of decency that has been absent in much of the criticism . Beast said it well, who would want to Coach here to hear Zaun or others throw the constant stream of crap they do on this program ? Zaun has accomplished his main mission of getting rid of Mullin , now this Board should get rid of Zaun , we don’t need his repetitive negativity . There are enough Program detractors on here already and their views , if free of the nasty personal insults , I guess should be heard . I could ask why but , won’t . As for St Jean, why would any Assistant Coach anywhere , i.e. Scheyer be considered over Greg ? St Jean has a pedigree already in the Coaching fraternity , notably due to his hard work here and some from his Family . He will move up the Ladder to Head Coaching in measurable time , either in College or the NBA . He will be a Winner when he does . He has the tools . And , no he is not tainted by his 4 years here . He played the hand he was dealt . There is a erroneous belief advocated by the program detractors that this was the most talented team in the BE . It wasn’t . The collective flaws in the line up showed early on , this group would struggle in a very physical BE Conference . It did . Frankly , the Seton Hall fiasco aside , Mullins team should have been a 3 Red place finisher at 9-9 . St Jean’s game plan , if you will, helped beat Marquette twice and Villanova once . And , should have had 2 wins over SH . And , despite 2 losses to DePaul in the season , Chris and Greg figured out how to contain Strus in the BE opener that we should have never been in , if Mike Stephens hadn’t blown his wrong whistle . So , feel good that you Critics contributed to the Program’s greatest player being dismissed or resigned by all the negativity spewed a year . Yes, there were legitimate criticisms of Mullin’s tenure . His Recruiting wasn’t good and we lacked the size required in the BE and didn’t have the consistent outside 3 point shooter that is necessary to be competitive in College BB today . Mullin’s absences ? His much time was he away for his Brother’s illness ? Or , other family issues that are personal and should not be delved into ? Maybe he should have taken a Year off, like Lavin did when he had Cancer ? Do any of us really know ? There are more fans of the BB program than are posting on this Board . Many stay away because of guys like Zaun and his supporters . So , Beast and Brian W and others that are Alums and fans , don’t accept all the crap posted here . It’s not worth it . Frankly , I think the Mods have given way too much leeway to a few naysayers . They should act now and jettison the most egregious .[/quote]

Would be nice if you were committed to paragraphs.
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=341183]The constant theme of this Board is Toxicity . There are about a Dozen posters on here that are committed to negativity at every turn . We all know the most vocal of protagonists and he’s inflamed this Board for too long , without any censure . It seems to me that the most Toxic of posters aren’t Alumni of the University , just Critics . Which we need far less of . Even , if you thought Mullin wasn’t a effective Coach , there is a level of decency that has been absent in much of the criticism . Beast said it well, who would want to Coach here to hear Zaun or others throw the constant stream of crap they do on this program ? Zaun has accomplished his main mission of getting rid of Mullin , now this Board should get rid of Zaun , we don’t need his repetitive negativity . There are enough Program detractors on here already and their views , if free of the nasty personal insults , I guess should be heard . I could ask why but , won’t . As for St Jean, why would any Assistant Coach anywhere , i.e. Scheyer be considered over Greg ? St Jean has a pedigree already in the Coaching fraternity , notably due to his hard work here and some from his Family . He will move up the Ladder to Head Coaching in measurable time , either in College or the NBA . He will be a Winner when he does . He has the tools . And , no he is not tainted by his 4 years here . He played the hand he was dealt . There is a erroneous belief advocated by the program detractors that this was the most talented team in the BE . It wasn’t . The collective flaws in the line up showed early on , this group would struggle in a very physical BE Conference . It did . Frankly , the Seton Hall fiasco aside , Mullins team should have been a 3 Red place finisher at 9-9 . St Jean’s game plan , if you will, helped beat Marquette twice and Villanova once . And , should have had 2 wins over SH . And , despite 2 losses to DePaul in the season , Chris and Greg figured out how to contain Strus in the BE opener that we should have never been in , if Mike Stephens hadn’t blown his wrong whistle . So , feel good that you Critics contributed to the Program’s greatest player being dismissed or resigned by all the negativity spewed a year . Yes, there were legitimate criticisms of Mullin’s tenure . His Recruiting wasn’t good and we lacked the size required in the BE and didn’t have the consistent outside 3 point shooter that is necessary to be competitive in College BB today . Mullin’s absences ? His much time was he away for his Brother’s illness ? Or , other family issues that are personal and should not be delved into ? Maybe he should have taken a Year off, like Lavin did when he had Cancer ? Do any of us really know ? There are more fans of the BB program than are posting on this Board . Many stay away because of guys like Zaun and his supporters . So , Beast and Brian W and others that are Alums and fans , don’t accept all the crap posted here . It’s not worth it . Frankly , I think the Mods have given way too much leeway to a few naysayers . They should act now and jettison the most egregious .[/quote]

The notion that what Zaun or any other person posts on this site has even a scintilla of impact on the coaching search is patently absurd.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=341185][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=341183]The constant theme of this Board is Toxicity . There are about a Dozen posters on here that are committed to negativity at every turn . We all know the most vocal of protagonists and he’s inflamed this Board for too long , without any censure . It seems to me that the most Toxic of posters aren’t Alumni of the University , just Critics . Which we need far less of . Even , if you thought Mullin wasn’t a effective Coach , there is a level of decency that has been absent in much of the criticism . Beast said it well, who would want to Coach here to hear Zaun or others throw the constant stream of crap they do on this program ? Zaun has accomplished his main mission of getting rid of Mullin , now this Board should get rid of Zaun , we don’t need his repetitive negativity . There are enough Program detractors on here already and their views , if free of the nasty personal insults , I guess should be heard . I could ask why but , won’t . As for St Jean, why would any Assistant Coach anywhere , i.e. Scheyer be considered over Greg ? St Jean has a pedigree already in the Coaching fraternity , notably due to his hard work here and some from his Family . He will move up the Ladder to Head Coaching in measurable time , either in College or the NBA . He will be a Winner when he does . He has the tools . And , no he is not tainted by his 4 years here . He played the hand he was dealt . There is a erroneous belief advocated by the program detractors that this was the most talented team in the BE . It wasn’t . The collective flaws in the line up showed early on , this group would struggle in a very physical BE Conference . It did . Frankly , the Seton Hall fiasco aside , Mullins team should have been a 3 Red place finisher at 9-9 . St Jean’s game plan , if you will, helped beat Marquette twice and Villanova once . And , should have had 2 wins over SH . And , despite 2 losses to DePaul in the season , Chris and Greg figured out how to contain Strus in the BE opener that we should have never been in , if Mike Stephens hadn’t blown his wrong whistle . So , feel good that you Critics contributed to the Program’s greatest player being dismissed or resigned by all the negativity spewed a year . Yes, there were legitimate criticisms of Mullin’s tenure . His Recruiting wasn’t good and we lacked the size required in the BE and didn’t have the consistent outside 3 point shooter that is necessary to be competitive in College BB today . Mullin’s absences ? His much time was he away for his Brother’s illness ? Or , other family issues that are personal and should not be delved into ? Maybe he should have taken a Year off, like Lavin did when he had Cancer ? Do any of us really know ? There are more fans of the BB program than are posting on this Board . Many stay away because of guys like Zaun and his supporters . So , Beast and Brian W and others that are Alums and fans , don’t accept all the crap posted here . It’s not worth it . Frankly , I think the Mods have given way too much leeway to a few naysayers . They should act now and jettison the most egregious .[/quote]
Freedom of speech within reason is more appealing.[/quote]. This isn’t a Bill of Rights venue, Whopper and you aren’t a Constitution lawyer . .
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=341187][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=341183]The constant theme of this Board is Toxicity . There are about a Dozen posters on here that are committed to negativity at every turn . We all know the most vocal of protagonists and he’s inflamed this Board for too long , without any censure . It seems to me that the most Toxic of posters aren’t Alumni of the University , just Critics . Which we need far less of . Even , if you thought Mullin wasn’t a effective Coach , there is a level of decency that has been absent in much of the criticism . Beast said it well, who would want to Coach here to hear Zaun or others throw the constant stream of crap they do on this program ? Zaun has accomplished his main mission of getting rid of Mullin , now this Board should get rid of Zaun , we don’t need his repetitive negativity . There are enough Program detractors on here already and their views , if free of the nasty personal insults , I guess should be heard . I could ask why but , won’t . As for St Jean, why would any Assistant Coach anywhere , i.e. Scheyer be considered over Greg ? St Jean has a pedigree already in the Coaching fraternity , notably due to his hard work here and some from his Family . He will move up the Ladder to Head Coaching in measurable time , either in College or the NBA . He will be a Winner when he does . He has the tools . And , no he is not tainted by his 4 years here . He played the hand he was dealt . There is a erroneous belief advocated by the program detractors that this was the most talented team in the BE . It wasn’t . The collective flaws in the line up showed early on , this group would struggle in a very physical BE Conference . It did . Frankly , the Seton Hall fiasco aside , Mullins team should have been a 3 Red place finisher at 9-9 . St Jean’s game plan , if you will, helped beat Marquette twice and Villanova once . And , should have had 2 wins over SH . And , despite 2 losses to DePaul in the season , Chris and Greg figured out how to contain Strus in the BE opener that we should have never been in , if Mike Stephens hadn’t blown his wrong whistle . So , feel good that you Critics contributed to the Program’s greatest player being dismissed or resigned by all the negativity spewed a year . Yes, there were legitimate criticisms of Mullin’s tenure . His Recruiting wasn’t good and we lacked the size required in the BE and didn’t have the consistent outside 3 point shooter that is necessary to be competitive in College BB today . Mullin’s absences ? His much time was he away for his Brother’s illness ? Or , other family issues that are personal and should not be delved into ? Maybe he should have taken a Year off, like Lavin did when he had Cancer ? Do any of us really know ? There are more fans of the BB program than are posting on this Board . Many stay away because of guys like Zaun and his supporters . So , Beast and Brian W and others that are Alums and fans , don’t accept all the crap posted here . It’s not worth it . Frankly , I think the Mods have given way too much leeway to a few naysayers . They should act now and jettison the most egregious .[/quote]

The notion that what Zaun or any other person posts on this site has even a scintilla of impact on the coaching search is patently absurd.[/quote]

Death by a thousand cuts. We have a very nasty social media presence. I’m not putting Zaun in that class. The negativity clearly wears on coaches.
 
[quote="mkras99" post=341186][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=341183]The constant theme of this Board is Toxicity . There are about a Dozen posters on here that are committed to negativity at every turn . We all know the most vocal of protagonists and he’s inflamed this Board for too long , without any censure . It seems to me that the most Toxic of posters aren’t Alumni of the University , just Critics . Which we need far less of . Even , if you thought Mullin wasn’t a effective Coach , there is a level of decency that has been absent in much of the criticism . Beast said it well, who would want to Coach here to hear Zaun or others throw the constant stream of crap they do on this program ? Zaun has accomplished his main mission of getting rid of Mullin , now this Board should get rid of Zaun , we don’t need his repetitive negativity . There are enough Program detractors on here already and their views , if free of the nasty personal insults , I guess should be heard . I could ask why but , won’t . As for St Jean, why would any Assistant Coach anywhere , i.e. Scheyer be considered over Greg ? St Jean has a pedigree already in the Coaching fraternity , notably due to his hard work here and some from his Family . He will move up the Ladder to Head Coaching in measurable time , either in College or the NBA . He will be a Winner when he does . He has the tools . And , no he is not tainted by his 4 years here . He played the hand he was dealt . There is a erroneous belief advocated by the program detractors that this was the most talented team in the BE . It wasn’t . The collective flaws in the line up showed early on , this group would struggle in a very physical BE Conference . It did . Frankly , the Seton Hall fiasco aside , Mullins team should have been a 3 Red place finisher at 9-9 . St Jean’s game plan , if you will, helped beat Marquette twice and Villanova once . And , should have had 2 wins over SH . And , despite 2 losses to DePaul in the season , Chris and Greg figured out how to contain Strus in the BE opener that we should have never been in , if Mike Stephens hadn’t blown his wrong whistle . So , feel good that you Critics contributed to the Program’s greatest player being dismissed or resigned by all the negativity spewed a year . Yes, there were legitimate criticisms of Mullin’s tenure . His Recruiting wasn’t good and we lacked the size required in the BE and didn’t have the consistent outside 3 point shooter that is necessary to be competitive in College BB today . Mullin’s absences ? His much time was he away for his Brother’s illness ? Or , other family issues that are personal and should not be delved into ? Maybe he should have taken a Year off, like Lavin did when he had Cancer ? Do any of us really know ? There are more fans of the BB program than are posting on this Board . Many stay away because of guys like Zaun and his supporters . So , Beast and Brian W and others that are Alums and fans , don’t accept all the crap posted here . It’s not worth it . Frankly , I think the Mods have given way too much leeway to a few naysayers . They should act now and jettison the most egregious .[/quote]

Would be nice if you were committed to paragraphs.[/quote]
Mike, I sent you a pm
 
Do you guys really believe that anyone is making a decision based on what's said on this board? I have friends who are alums and supporters of the program who don't even know that this board exists.

If there's a coach who's going to let the opinions of a hardcore group of about 50 fans sway anything they do, then perhaps they're in the wrong line of work
 
I deliberately did not call any individuals out by name but to be clear freedom of speech has both its limitations and ramifications.

I particularly liked Pope jp2's admonition to the US upon his departure at his final visit:

Paraphrased so no quotes:

America is a great country that is founded on freedom. However freedom is not the freedom to do whatever you choose. But what is right and just.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=341151]Some of you guys have no idea how much of the problem you are.

By all means, GSJ is going to be a HC soon, at some level. Long odds against being here, so you can save the shit for yelling at your wives, kids, grandkids, or neighbors or "friends".

If he does have success, and a few years from now when we have a vacancy for HC again, if history is any indicator, perhaps he ends up at another BE school. Maybe he even becomes the next Jay Wright. I can tell you a few stories of his graciousness and charisma and respect, just like the Jay Wright I've met, but f it, you guys just want to be miserable. You guys say no one reads social media, and are nuts in that regard. Guarantee you he reads all the shit, because he is active as heck on social media, and NONE of his posts are negative.

It's kind of funny, but Steve Lappas was fired by Villanova, yet he's been welcomed back and honored as a former coach by Villanovans. Jay Wright and admin made sure of that, as they did with ALL former coaches. Jay Wright's rule - honor our tradition, all of it. Jay Wright's rule to players - everyone gets respect - walk ons, team managers, teachers, administrators, other students, your parents and friends. A walk on recently told me that. It's apparent.

Could you imagine the reaction here, if there was an announcement that Mike Jarvis would be honored on a night celebrating the elite 8 team, or Fraschilla for building it, Mahoney for being the lead assistant on a team that went to the NCAA's every year, or Lavin for helping drag us out of being far from the dance, or even Norm Roberts for repairing the damage from a dark night in Pittsburgh. Yea, I could imagine it. Shit, vitriol, remembering the worst shit that each had done.

Why doesn't anyone want to come here, to the shiny Big Apple, and MSG, to the school with this great tradition? Because when teams don't win enough here, fans stay home. When we don't win enough here, fans sling shit. When we don't donate enough, the school can't spend the way schools with billion dollar ATHELTIC dept giving can. So yea, wait for Repole to write the check. That'll work.

Yup another speech from BOTE. You deserve the shit sometimes. GSJ doesn't. It's really early for him to get a job like this, and I think he knows that. But he stepped up and asked for that, because he WANTS TO BE HERE, unlike everyone else who says NO. So shit on him for that, than go back to yelling at your wives.[/quote]

Beast you are def right he will be a head coach in his career and he has potential. Your post is great as always Andy I really like reading what you post on here. One of the best!

I see a lot on the board board is looking at are the results from the staff as a whole. The recruiting was eh at best and the retention of the players was poor. As an assistant coach in college the name of the game is recruiting and I haven’t seen or read of any recruits he was attached to. If he was going to get strong consideration his resume would have to be a lot stronger than it is right now. I for one would want to see players not looking to run away from the program and current players saying we want Greg St. jean.

As much as we all love this program and have grown up around the program. We will wish him best of luck in his career and want the best for him. Our beloved program just needs a stronger experienced coach right now and that is the reason there are so many posts that are not for St. Jean.
 
[quote="djramps" post=341209][quote="Beast of the East" post=341151]Some of you guys have no idea how much of the problem you are.

By all means, GSJ is going to be a HC soon, at some level. Long odds against being here, so you can save the shit for yelling at your wives, kids, grandkids, or neighbors or "friends".

If he does have success, and a few years from now when we have a vacancy for HC again, if history is any indicator, perhaps he ends up at another BE school. Maybe he even becomes the next Jay Wright. I can tell you a few stories of his graciousness and charisma and respect, just like the Jay Wright I've met, but f it, you guys just want to be miserable. You guys say no one reads social media, and are nuts in that regard. Guarantee you he reads all the shit, because he is active as heck on social media, and NONE of his posts are negative.

It's kind of funny, but Steve Lappas was fired by Villanova, yet he's been welcomed back and honored as a former coach by Villanovans. Jay Wright and admin made sure of that, as they did with ALL former coaches. Jay Wright's rule - honor our tradition, all of it. Jay Wright's rule to players - everyone gets respect - walk ons, team managers, teachers, administrators, other students, your parents and friends. A walk on recently told me that. It's apparent.

Could you imagine the reaction here, if there was an announcement that Mike Jarvis would be honored on a night celebrating the elite 8 team, or Fraschilla for building it, Mahoney for being the lead assistant on a team that went to the NCAA's every year, or Lavin for helping drag us out of being far from the dance, or even Norm Roberts for repairing the damage from a dark night in Pittsburgh. Yea, I could imagine it. Shit, vitriol, remembering the worst shit that each had done.

Why doesn't anyone want to come here, to the shiny Big Apple, and MSG, to the school with this great tradition? Because when teams don't win enough here, fans stay home. When we don't win enough here, fans sling shit. When we don't donate enough, the school can't spend the way schools with billion dollar ATHELTIC dept giving can. So yea, wait for Repole to write the check. That'll work.

Yup another speech from BOTE. You deserve the shit sometimes. GSJ doesn't. It's really early for him to get a job like this, and I think he knows that. But he stepped up and asked for that, because he WANTS TO BE HERE, unlike everyone else who says NO. So shit on him for that, than go back to yelling at your wives.[/quote]

Beast you are def right he will be a head coach in his career and he has potential. Your post is great as always Andy I really like reading what you post on here. One of the best!

I see a lot on the board board is looking at are the results from the staff as a whole. The recruiting was eh at best and the retention of the players was poor. As an assistant coach in college the name of the game is recruiting and I haven’t seen or read of any recruits he was attached to. If he was going to get strong consideration his resume would have to be a lot stronger than it is right now. I for one would want to see players not looking to run away from the program and current players saying we want Greg St. jean.

As much as we all love this program and have grown up around the program. We will wish him best of luck in his career and want the best for him. Our beloved program just needs a stronger experienced coach right now and that is the reason there are so many posts that are not for St. Jean.[/quote]

Thank you . Means a lot. From what I've heard players have lined up behind him which is understandable. Agree with you, but if he sells st. John's that he's the guy, 5 star recruits should be a piece of cake for him. :)
 
First to those who read my posts and I know that there are at least a handful that do, I apologize if a few of my recent posts have come off as angry. That is more a result of a personal situation than who the next coach will be. That said I am still trying to get past the excitement I had when Mullin joined (I kept the Post, News and Newsday from that day) and then the signing of Ponds. I like everyone else knew that Mullin would be a big risk but was hoping that he could save the basketball program from oblivion.

I was not enamored with Hurley and his Duke pedigree but I thought he was our best hope. On one level Cluess is the best choice because he seems to want the job and is a Queens guy, but I am not even convinced that he is is too excited about this process. I go back and forth on Pitino, if he really wanted to come here(I don't believe he does) but his baggage is not worth it to me and I would rather the program struggle on the court then be an embarassment.

I feel this is like the end of the Star Wars series that has been going on for 42 years and will end this December. Some up, some down movies and of course there will be a new generation of movies but they won't be the same. I am feeling old as I get close to my 49th birthday and I can only imagine how many others who are much older feel about the state of the program.

The strange thing is that in the six or so years that I have been posting regularly, two posters that seemed to never connect with me were (Marillac and Beast), I now agree with both on one of their views. I share Marillac's view on Cragg and Beast's on GSJ. Hopefully I will be feeling better soon and back in my seats at CA in November whoever the coach is and whoever the players are.
 
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Hey Andrew, didn't want to quote you but hope things get better for you.

I keep meeting an Andrew at r-w events who isn't you but I think of you. I'll meet you next season..
 
Before GSJ came here he was all about earning his dues and moving up the ladder at the NBA level. I think he came here because of hid Dad's relationship with Chris and to get experience and evolve his coaching resume.

After he leaves here I think he's back to the NBA coaching at some level.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=341226][quote="djramps" post=341209][quote="Beast of the East" post=341151]Some of you guys have no idea how much of the problem you are.

By all means, GSJ is going to be a HC soon, at some level. Long odds against being here, so you can save the shit for yelling at your wives, kids, grandkids, or neighbors or "friends".

If he does have success, and a few years from now when we have a vacancy for HC again, if history is any indicator, perhaps he ends up at another BE school. Maybe he even becomes the next Jay Wright. I can tell you a few stories of his graciousness and charisma and respect, just like the Jay Wright I've met, but f it, you guys just want to be miserable. You guys say no one reads social media, and are nuts in that regard. Guarantee you he reads all the shit, because he is active as heck on social media, and NONE of his posts are negative.

It's kind of funny, but Steve Lappas was fired by Villanova, yet he's been welcomed back and honored as a former coach by Villanovans. Jay Wright and admin made sure of that, as they did with ALL former coaches. Jay Wright's rule - honor our tradition, all of it. Jay Wright's rule to players - everyone gets respect - walk ons, team managers, teachers, administrators, other students, your parents and friends. A walk on recently told me that. It's apparent.

Could you imagine the reaction here, if there was an announcement that Mike Jarvis would be honored on a night celebrating the elite 8 team, or Fraschilla for building it, Mahoney for being the lead assistant on a team that went to the NCAA's every year, or Lavin for helping drag us out of being far from the dance, or even Norm Roberts for repairing the damage from a dark night in Pittsburgh. Yea, I could imagine it. Shit, vitriol, remembering the worst shit that each had done.

Why doesn't anyone want to come here, to the shiny Big Apple, and MSG, to the school with this great tradition? Because when teams don't win enough here, fans stay home. When we don't win enough here, fans sling shit. When we don't donate enough, the school can't spend the way schools with billion dollar ATHELTIC dept giving can. So yea, wait for Repole to write the check. That'll work.

Yup another speech from BOTE. You deserve the shit sometimes. GSJ doesn't. It's really early for him to get a job like this, and I think he knows that. But he stepped up and asked for that, because he WANTS TO BE HERE, unlike everyone else who says NO. So shit on him for that, than go back to yelling at your wives.[/quote]

Beast you are def right he will be a head coach in his career and he has potential. Your post is great as always Andy I really like reading what you post on here. One of the best!

I see a lot on the board board is looking at are the results from the staff as a whole. The recruiting was eh at best and the retention of the players was poor. As an assistant coach in college the name of the game is recruiting and I haven’t seen or read of any recruits he was attached to. If he was going to get strong consideration his resume would have to be a lot stronger than it is right now. I for one would want to see players not looking to run away from the program and current players saying we want Greg St. jean.

As much as we all love this program and have grown up around the program. We will wish him best of luck in his career and want the best for him. Our beloved program just needs a stronger experienced coach right now and that is the reason there are so many posts that are not for St. Jean.[/quote]

Thank you . Means a lot. From what I've heard players have lined up behind him which is understandable. Agree with you, but if he sells st. John's that he's the guy, 5 star recruits should be a piece of cake for him. :)[/quote]

I’m for any guy being able to lad 5 stars. Just haven’t seen his name attached to any recruiting at all. Wish he could show he could recruit because the x’s and o’s can be secondary to getting recruits here. If we had a great pipeline of St Jean kids here. I’d be more open to the idea.

I def didn’t want any posts to personally attack his character. It’s just he may be tied too close to what St Johns had and they need a new direction.
 
Some of the posters on here are creating a toxic and circular firing squad atmosphere. Lighten up. This supposed to be a team we love to root for. Spirited opinions are great and fun to read but the level of frustration is misdirected at fans with little or no power to change things.

Some respect is requested. Read what you have written before you post. Courtesy goes a long way.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=341151]Some of you guys have no idea how much of the problem you are.

By all means, GSJ is going to be a HC soon, at some level. Long odds against being here, so you can save the shit for yelling at your wives, kids, grandkids, or neighbors or "friends".

If he does have success, and a few years from now when we have a vacancy for HC again, if history is any indicator, perhaps he ends up at another BE school. Maybe he even becomes the next Jay Wright. I can tell you a few stories of his graciousness and charisma and respect, just like the Jay Wright I've met, but f it, you guys just want to be miserable. You guys say no one reads social media, and are nuts in that regard. Guarantee you he reads all the shit, because he is active as heck on social media, and NONE of his posts are negative.

It's kind of funny, but Steve Lappas was fired by Villanova, yet he's been welcomed back and honored as a former coach by Villanovans. Jay Wright and admin made sure of that, as they did with ALL former coaches. Jay Wright's rule - honor our tradition, all of it. Jay Wright's rule to players - everyone gets respect - walk ons, team managers, teachers, administrators, other students, your parents and friends. A walk on recently told me that. It's apparent.

Could you imagine the reaction here, if there was an announcement that Mike Jarvis would be honored on a night celebrating the elite 8 team, or Fraschilla for building it, Mahoney for being the lead assistant on a team that went to the NCAA's every year, or Lavin for helping drag us out of being far from the dance, or even Norm Roberts for repairing the damage from a dark night in Pittsburgh. Yea, I could imagine it. Shit, vitriol, remembering the worst shit that each had done.

Why doesn't anyone want to come here, to the shiny Big Apple, and MSG, to the school with this great tradition? Because when teams don't win enough here, fans stay home. When we don't win enough here, fans sling shit. When we don't donate enough, the school can't spend the way schools with billion dollar ATHELTIC dept giving can. So yea, wait for Repole to write the check. That'll work.

Yup another speech from BOTE. You deserve the shit sometimes. GSJ doesn't. It's really early for him to get a job like this, and I think he knows that. But he stepped up and asked for that, because he WANTS TO BE HERE, unlike everyone else who says NO. So shit on him for that, than go back to yelling at your wives.[/quote]





For what it is worth Greg graciously greeted my son and I at the Orlando Tournament last year. Granted he did the x's and o's but remember under Mullin's direction. (Playground ball). It's Mullin's job to develop the players and we all know how that went. .
 
[quote="bamafan" post=341232]Or better yet much shorter posts. :)[/quote]

Exactly, it's like reading whole article. I just skip over long posts.
Just to many pages on all these threads to read long posts.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=341144]In no way am I advocating we hire Greg but I hope the posters who point out “look at our team the last four years with St Jean already coaching them..” in attempt to degrade him realize that coaching from the assistants chair is difficult. In Greg’s case it seemed like he had all the power and leeway from Mullin, but the players I’m sure looked to the head coach. St Jean may have been coaching “this” team but he wasn’t coaching “his” team. Boehiem said it best when he was suspended a few years ago and Hopkins took over and struggled. He said something along the lines of ‘Hopkins was a great coach but right now he’s not coaching his team, he’s coaching my team.’

Now, interview him. Thank him. But go find a proven head coach. Greg will be one but not a sju right now.[/quote]
Not advocating for or against GSJ. But, suspect it was Mullin’s style with GSJ fingerprints on the structured stuff such as inbound plays...as for game planning it wasn’t all lows for Greg...when we had the opportunity, we incorporated guard post ups that worked to our advantage on numerous occasions.

If noth8ngbelse, it would be interesting to understand what his approach would have been and what he believes we did wrong.

With all tha5 said, best he can hope for is an assistants position and hope he grows into this job or another
 
I thank him for his effort and wish him the best. If the next coach wants to keep him on staff as long as that coach is a closer and has 2 other assistants that recruit I have no problem with it
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=341146]Hiring St. Jean at this juncture would be a show of astounding incompetence by this administration.

By all accounts, for the past several years St. Jean has effectively been the head coach of the team! Thus, if Cragg was going to go this route, why not keep Mullin as the “figurehead” head coach with St. Jean effectively running the team, just as things were?

The benefits of this strategy are obvious. The school would have saved $4 million plus on Mullin’s buyout, avoided the horrible press that will result if this hire is truly botched, and possibly preserved the relationship with many of the players, this providing some continuity for next year and avoiding a total rebuild.

Indeed, I would argue that, provided a couple of decent assistants were hired, recruiting would be better with Mullin at the helm in a figurehead capacity than if St. Jean ran the show. Although Mullin appears to have contributed little on the recruiting trail, I do believe there is some cachet to the fact that he is an NBA hall of famer and former GM with connections in the league.

Let me clear, I am in no way suggesting that Mullin should have been kept on. I’m simply saying that if St. Jean is now the guy, there was no reason to get rid of the previous regime.[/quote]
You can replace St. Jean’s name with most of the candidates and draw the same conclusion. The mass exodus would not have happened with a home run hire. Going back to square one should not have been an acceptable outcome. None of these candidates are worth the precipitous drop.

Now, in fairness, outside of Pitino (for unique reasons) it doesn’t appear that we are home run worthy any longer.
 
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