Georgetown, Sat. Feb. 25, Noon, YES&FOX/570

[Good job as usual Fun! My only criticism is the reference in the paragraph that included the following: "it expresses consideration for the time and effort it’s taken the practitioner to perfect her art and to encourage her to practice it more often."

Men, especially a couple of posters here, are just as capable of practicing and perfecting that "art".

I write from personal experience, As usual, your mucilage may vary.

Unfortunately I no longer have mucilage but fond memories and a vivid imagination. B)
 
I'd have to check the replay and defer to those who saw the replay on TV, but I thought that Ponds got pushed on the inbounds pass from Mussini.

Mussini played one of the better games of his career but that was a horrible panicked pass. I don't know if they had a time out left but if not he'd have been better throwing the ball 60 feet down court to one of the clumsy oaf forwards or taking the five seconds than passing the ball as he did to GT under the basket. That it did not turn out disastrously was in bocca al lupo.
 
1. Mussini was the man today but for that bad inbound pass.
2. Ali came through with some nice plays but his butter fingers are killing me and still I don't understand how he gets so many minutes, he is the most awkward looking player on the floor and just doesn't seem to mesh I'm not sure if his good plays today outweighs the risk of keeping him on the floor.
3. We should have been up 20 plus points throughout the game with all the turn overs
4. Mullin out coached JTIII, I'm not sure if he should get more time to turn around the G- Town program but I do feel for him he has big shoes to fill. Like SJU a strong G-Town only helps the conference and both teams. I hope to see both these teams ranked in the near future.
5. Ponds is a true NyC play ground player, he has some real potential if directed properly by the staff.
I'd have to check the replay and defer to those who saw the replay on TV, but I thought that Ponds got pushed on the inbounds pass from Mussini.
and I at first glance thought he was held but after viewing it again actually thought no call was the right call.
 
Also and I don't know if this was mentioned on the thread previously and granted it was georgetown but yesterday was the perfect example of why I don't want less games played at the garden. Brought a friend of mine to the game who is a casual SJU fan and as were were walking in ( right after getting some bronx pale ales ) that he mentioned how there is always an electricity to the garden and how going to msg feels like you are going to an event.

The crowd was great yesterday and even when there have been smaller crowds this year I think they have been pretty loud

The stars were in alignment yesterday. Gorgeous weather. Festive atmosphere. Original Big East rival. Great game. Johnny W. Like you, I thought the crowd was amazing. It felt like an old school day at MSG.
To show you how nice of a day it was Johnnyfan even said something nice about Lavin ( pertaining to his first year here . lol )

....and I didn't even have one Pale Ale!
 
I'd have to check the replay and defer to those who saw the replay on TV, but I thought that Ponds got pushed on the inbounds pass from Mussini.

Mussini played one of the better games of his career but that was a horrible panicked pass. I don't know if they had a time out left but if not he'd have been better throwing the ball 60 feet down court to one of the clumsy oaf forwards or taking the five seconds than passing the ball as he did to GT under the basket. That it did not turn out disastrously was in bocca al lupo.

Yes , good point Mullin mentioned after the game they had 2 time outs left, and Mussini should have called one.
 
I'd have to check the replay and defer to those who saw the replay on TV, but I thought that Ponds got pushed on the inbounds pass from Mussini.

Mussini played one of the better games of his career but that was a horrible panicked pass. I don't know if they had a time out left but if not he'd have been better throwing the ball 60 feet down court to one of the clumsy oaf forwards or taking the five seconds than passing the ball as he did to GT under the basket. That it did not turn out disastrously was in bocca al lupo.

Yes , good point Mullin mentioned after the game they had 2 time outs left, and Mussini should have called one.

Agree but in college can't the coach call timeout also?
 
I'd have to check the replay and defer to those who saw the replay on TV, but I thought that Ponds got pushed on the inbounds pass from Mussini.

Mussini played one of the better games of his career but that was a horrible panicked pass. I don't know if they had a time out left but if not he'd have been better throwing the ball 60 feet down court to one of the clumsy oaf forwards or taking the five seconds than passing the ball as he did to GT under the basket. That it did not turn out disastrously was in bocca al lupo.

Yes , good point Mullin mentioned after the game they had 2 time outs left, and Mussini should have called one.

Agree but in college can't the coach call timeout also?

No. They got rid of that rule a couple of years ago. Coach can only call it in that situation, if he does so before the ball is handed to the inbounder.
 
I'd have to check the replay and defer to those who saw the replay on TV, but I thought that Ponds got pushed on the inbounds pass from Mussini.

Mussini played one of the better games of his career but that was a horrible panicked pass. I don't know if they had a time out left but if not he'd have been better throwing the ball 60 feet down court to one of the clumsy oaf forwards or taking the five seconds than passing the ball as he did to GT under the basket. That it did not turn out disastrously was in bocca al lupo.

Yes , good point Mullin mentioned after the game they had 2 time outs left, and Mussini should have called one.

Agree but in college can't the coach call timeout also?

Learning process but maybe coach should go over nearing end of game how many is left and if we ar in trouble use one
 
Hard to tell from where I was sitting, but how aggressively did Ponds try to get open for the inbound pass from Mussini? It didn't look to me like anyone was making an all out effort to get open, but again it was tough to see from where I was. Mussini panicked when he realized that the 5 seconds were about to expire. Not knowing if he had time to call he TO, he threw the ball in and hoped for the best, but wound up getting the worst. As others have said, he should have flung the ball downcourt.
 
Hard to tell from where I was sitting, but how aggressively did Ponds try to get open for the inbound pass from Mussini? It didn't look to me like anyone was making an all out effort to get open, but again it was tough to see from where I was. Mussini panicked when he realized that the 5 seconds were about to expire. Not knowing if he had time to call he TO, he threw the ball in and hoped for the best, but wound up getting the worst. As others have said, he should have flung the ball downcourt.

Reality is that whether gtown played great D or ponds didnt try to get open what happened happened. Taking a 5 second violation is worse because 100% chance ball goes to gtown. Flinging vall upcourt only is a good strategy with 3 secondscat mostvand only if you keep the ball in the center of the court so it chews up clovk. Also when you do that chances you get it to your own guy is much lower than what Mussini did. Also throwing it downcourt has a much higher chance our guy commits a foul in the scramble. Inbounding the way mussini did prob had the highest chance of getting to a ball handler. But he should have xalled a timeout
 
Hard to tell from where I was sitting, but how aggressively did Ponds try to get open for the inbound pass from Mussini? It didn't look to me like anyone was making an all out effort to get open, but again it was tough to see from where I was. Mussini panicked when he realized that the 5 seconds were about to expire. Not knowing if he had time to call he TO, he threw the ball in and hoped for the best, but wound up getting the worst. As others have said, he should have flung the ball downcourt.

You are right, no one was trying very hard to get open. Having said that a TO was in order and at worst a heave down court but Mussini panicked. Not a good play by anyone, coaches or players. One last comment, I post during games as a release and the vast majority of the time they are negative because that's what gets me going but the posters who are less insane than me (and others) have a point about the preponderance of negativity. We won and in the bigger picture the program is clearly heading in the right direction
 
Inbound turnover is why exoerience matters. A ryan arcidiacono who i hloved to hate, would have known better. We had a soph inbounding to two frosh. Logen is correct - we won and didnt fold fown the stretch. Another nice win.

One thing we as long suffering fans are kearning to do is savor any big east win
This one felt really good especially if you were there. Sounded like a 45% gtown crowd but not when we took.over
 
Inbound turnover is why exoerience matters. A ryan arcidiacono who i hloved to hate, would have known better. We had a soph inbounding to two frosh. Logen is correct - we won and didnt fold fown the stretch. Another nice win.

One thing we as long suffering fans are kearning to do is savor any big east win
This one felt really good especially if you were there. Sounded like a 45% gtown crowd but not when we took.over

As you & others have noted, crowd support has been good.
 
Inbound turnover is why exoerience matters. A ryan arcidiacono who i hloved to hate, would have known better. We had a soph inbounding to two frosh. Logen is correct - we won and didnt fold fown the stretch. Another nice win.

One thing we as long suffering fans are kearning to do is savor any big east win
This one felt really good especially if you were there. Sounded like a 45% gtown crowd but not when we took.over

I think referencing Villanova is muscle memory for you. :p
 
Inbound turnover is why exoerience matters. A ryan arcidiacono who i hloved to hate, would have known better. We had a soph inbounding to two frosh. Logen is correct - we won and didnt fold fown the stretch. Another nice win.

One thing we as long suffering fans are kearning to do is savor any big east win
This one felt really good especially if you were there. Sounded like a 45% gtown crowd but not when we took.over

There remains a 15% chance that Archidiacono will be this season's Big East Player of the Year.
 
Continue to be amazed by how this staff and team, despite the game to game volatility, just keeps pushing the overall improvement, trajectory, and momentum of the program upwards. Thought 7 BE wins would be great pre-season, by December thought they'd struggle but might get to 6, that they have 7 secured with 2 to play is just amazing.

Great atmosphere at the Garden, and agree with others we are probably a year of quality winning away from pushing that attendance figure up 2-4K. Can't discount that it was good energy as it was for 8th and 9th place in conference. If we get back to the top half of the conference think it will get that much better.

Would think Ponds came pretty close to putting a stamp on BE ROY Saturday. Incredible game from him, scoring with ease against bigger guards. Really not a lot of comparison between his and Patton's conference numbers, Lovett the other primary candidate IMO. Would be great for one of them to get this award.

Nice to grind this one out, especially against Georgetown at the Garden. But the Hoyas are just an awful basketball team. Outside of getting Pryor some quality looks (albeit often a result of bad D from us) and a concerted effort to go inside to Govan in the 2nd, they didn't really do anything impressive strategically despite the strong shooting.

We are clearly at the point where just racking up wins however we can is what matters. But next year this is the type of game we hopefully make the jump to mostly eliminating next year. Chances to step on them in both halves and didn't do it either time. When you win turnovers 22-9 and attempt 10 more shots should capitalize on that more fully. But a great win nonetheless!

I don't agree with amount of time Lovett spent on the bench Saturday unless something transpired that hasn't been reported, especially because he was having a lot of success driving against bigger GTown guards and kicking out (had almost half our team assists in 25 mins). But I can understand the rationale that Ponds and Mussini were having days and staff didn't want to go with 3 small guards against the Hoyas size. What I can't understand (and also disagree with) is the amount of time Ahmed also spent on the bench, especially at the same time as Lovett, while Ellison was on the floor (a lot of times guarding Pryor who destroyed us). Nothing against Malik, hope he has a nice role here the next 2 years, just about optimizing lineups. 34 minutes and almost 10 more than both Lovett and Ahmed doesn't seem to add up so am curious what the underlying equation is/was. Not concerned about one game obviously, and apologies to bring this up after a win, but we've seen with prior staffs how things that don't seem to add up can become an issue. Guess we'll see next year.
 
Continue to be amazed by how this staff and team, despite the game to game volatility, just keeps pushing the overall improvement, trajectory, and momentum of the program upwards. Thought 7 BE wins would be great pre-season, by December thought they'd struggle but might get to 6, that they have 7 secured with 2 to play is just amazing.

Great atmosphere at the Garden, and agree with others we are probably a year of quality winning away from pushing that attendance figure up 2-4K. Can't discount that it was good energy as it was for 8th and 9th place in conference. If we get back to the top half of the conference think it will get that much better.

Would think Ponds came pretty close to putting a stamp on BE ROY Saturday. Incredible game from him, scoring with ease against bigger guards. Really not a lot of comparison between his and Patton's conference numbers, Lovett the other primary candidate IMO. Would be great for one of them to get this award.

Nice to grind this one out, especially against Georgetown at the Garden. But the Hoyas are just an awful basketball team. Outside of getting Pryor some quality looks (albeit often a result of bad D from us) and a concerted effort to go inside to Govan in the 2nd, they didn't really do anything impressive strategically despite the strong shooting.

We are clearly at the point where just racking up wins however we can is what matters. But next year this is the type of game we hopefully make the jump to mostly eliminating next year. Chances to step on them in both halves and didn't do it either time. When you win turnovers 22-9 and attempt 10 more shots should capitalize on that more fully. But a great win nonetheless!

I don't agree with amount of time Lovett spent on the bench Saturday unless something transpired that hasn't been reported, especially because he was having a lot of success driving against bigger GTown guards and kicking out (had almost half our team assists in 25 mins). But I can understand the rationale that Ponds and Mussini were having days and staff didn't want to go with 3 small guards against the Hoyas size. What I can't understand (and also disagree with) is the amount of time Ahmed also spent on the bench, especially at the same time as Lovett, while Ellison was on the floor (a lot of times guarding Pryor who destroyed us). Nothing against Malik, hope he has a nice role here the next 2 years, just about optimizing lineups. 34 minutes and almost 10 more than both Lovett and Ahmed doesn't seem to add up so am curious what the underlying equation is/was. Not concerned about one game obviously, and apologies to bring this up after a win, but we've seen with prior staffs how things that don't seem to add up can become an issue. Guess we'll see next year.



I didnt really have a problem with Mussini & Ellison. Mussini had a hot hand and was pretty efficient. Ellison gave us some size (6 boards) after Owens went down. Lovett was in down the stretch and was big the last 4 minutes(total of 25). I'm not looking much into it that there are "issues". It's about winning not egos or keeping players happy.
 
Continue to be amazed by how this staff and team, despite the game to game volatility, just keeps pushing the overall improvement, trajectory, and momentum of the program upwards. Thought 7 BE wins would be great pre-season, by December thought they'd struggle but might get to 6, that they have 7 secured with 2 to play is just amazing.

Great atmosphere at the Garden, and agree with others we are probably a year of quality winning away from pushing that attendance figure up 2-4K. Can't discount that it was good energy as it was for 8th and 9th place in conference. If we get back to the top half of the conference think it will get that much better.

Would think Ponds came pretty close to putting a stamp on BE ROY Saturday. Incredible game from him, scoring with ease against bigger guards. Really not a lot of comparison between his and Patton's conference numbers, Lovett the other primary candidate IMO. Would be great for one of them to get this award.

Nice to grind this one out, especially against Georgetown at the Garden. But the Hoyas are just an awful basketball team. Outside of getting Pryor some quality looks (albeit often a result of bad D from us) and a concerted effort to go inside to Govan in the 2nd, they didn't really do anything impressive strategically despite the strong shooting.

We are clearly at the point where just racking up wins however we can is what matters. But next year this is the type of game we hopefully make the jump to mostly eliminating next year. Chances to step on them in both halves and didn't do it either time. When you win turnovers 22-9 and attempt 10 more shots should capitalize on that more fully. But a great win nonetheless!

I don't agree with amount of time Lovett spent on the bench Saturday unless something transpired that hasn't been reported, especially because he was having a lot of success driving against bigger GTown guards and kicking out (had almost half our team assists in 25 mins). But I can understand the rationale that Ponds and Mussini were having days and staff didn't want to go with 3 small guards against the Hoyas size. What I can't understand (and also disagree with) is the amount of time Ahmed also spent on the bench, especially at the same time as Lovett, while Ellison was on the floor (a lot of times guarding Pryor who destroyed us). Nothing against Malik, hope he has a nice role here the next 2 years, just about optimizing lineups. 34 minutes and almost 10 more than both Lovett and Ahmed doesn't seem to add up so am curious what the underlying equation is/was. Not concerned about one game obviously, and apologies to bring this up after a win, but we've seen with prior staffs how things that don't seem to add up can become an issue. Guess we'll see next year.



I didnt really have a problem with Mussini & Ellison. Mussini had a hot hand and was pretty efficient. Ellison gave us some size (6 boards) after Owens went down. Lovett was in down the stretch and was big the last 4 minutes(total of 25). I'm not looking much into it that there are "issues". It's about winning not egos or keeping players happy.

Agree completely regarding egos and keeping players happy, and didn't mean to imply there are issues (have no idea). I'm looking at it on a more basic level. Ahmed made the conference Weekly Honor Roll (1 of 7 players recognized) and played less minutes than Ellison for the week and by 9 on Saturday. Ahmed is in double figures 13 games in a row (and 24 times this season), Ellison is in double figures 7 games total, and their MPG are only separated by 2.2. Recognize their minutes are not mutually exclusive, but when you add in the Lovett piece on Saturday and that this has been something of a trend, something just isn't completely adding up.

Maybe I'm off here, but roles are important and players take note when it appears there may be a discrepancy between role and production, and not just the players directly impacted.
 
Hard to tell from where I was sitting, but how aggressively did Ponds try to get open for the inbound pass from Mussini? It didn't look to me like anyone was making an all out effort to get open, but again it was tough to see from where I was. Mussini panicked when he realized that the 5 seconds were about to expire. Not knowing if he had time to call he TO, he threw the ball in and hoped for the best, but wound up getting the worst. As others have said, he should have flung the ball downcourt.

You are right, no one was trying very hard to get open. Having said that a TO was in order and at worst a heave down court but Mussini panicked. Not a good play by anyone, coaches or players. One last comment, I post during games as a release and the vast majority of the time they are negative because that's what gets me going but the posters who are less insane than me (and others) have a point about the preponderance of negativity. We won and in the bigger picture the program is clearly heading in the right direction

No one is happier than me that we won, and we won in large part because of Mussini, and no one is a bigger Mussini fan than me. However that one play could have cost us the game which is why others were commenting on it. And since I didn't have the luxury of seeing it on TV, I asked for some clarification from those that did. I don't see that as negativity.
 
Hard to tell from where I was sitting, but how aggressively did Ponds try to get open for the inbound pass from Mussini? It didn't look to me like anyone was making an all out effort to get open, but again it was tough to see from where I was. Mussini panicked when he realized that the 5 seconds were about to expire. Not knowing if he had time to call he TO, he threw the ball in and hoped for the best, but wound up getting the worst. As others have said, he should have flung the ball downcourt.

You are right, no one was trying very hard to get open. Having said that a TO was in order and at worst a heave down court but Mussini panicked. Not a good play by anyone, coaches or players. One last comment, I post during games as a release and the vast majority of the time they are negative because that's what gets me going but the posters who are less insane than me (and others) have a point about the preponderance of negativity. We won and in the bigger picture the program is clearly heading in the right direction

No one is happier than me that we won, and we won in large part because of Mussini, and no one is a bigger Mussini fan than me. However that one play could have cost us the game which is why others were commenting on it. And since I didn't have the luxury of seeing it on TV, I asked for some clarification from those that did. I don't see that as negativity.

Sorry, should have explained myself better. Do not, did not, think your request was at all negative. In fact, my comment on negativity had nothing to do with your question at all; it was more me falling on a sword because pretty much ALL my comments during a game are negative and several people commented about the negativity in general on a thread for a game we won. Again, I piggy backed what should have been two separate posts, completely my bad.
 
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