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[quote="Knight" post=317318]Mullin's record is 53-64, not 30 games under .500.[/quote]
The OP was talking about his conference record which is 31 games under .500. His OOC record is 20 games above, not sure how many of those were against tournament teams but we'll always have Duke.
The OP was talking about his conference record which is 31 games under .500. His OOC record is 20 games above, not sure how many of those were against tournament teams but we'll always have Duke.
redfan259999888
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[quote="austour" post=317319][quote="Knight" post=317318]Mullin's record is 53-64, not 30 games under .500.[/quote]
The OP was talking about his conference record which is 31 games under .500. [/quote]
That was suppose to change this year, with his most talented team here.
The OP was talking about his conference record which is 31 games under .500. [/quote]
That was suppose to change this year, with his most talented team here.
Class of 72
Active member
[quote="ctstorm" post=317306][quote="gman" post=317303]Guys please try not to quote 5-6 replies it makes the board very unreadable.[/quote]
There are a lot of things that make the board unreadable.[/quote]
Die Wörter sind in Englisch. Das ist ein problem für manche Leute.
There are a lot of things that make the board unreadable.[/quote]
Die Wörter sind in Englisch. Das ist ein problem für manche Leute.
rawdognyc
Well-known member
Let me preface this by saying that Chris Mullin definitely wasn't my first choice to be Steve Lavins replacement, however with that being said, he is our coach and I fully support him.
Now, I think it is foolish to compare Lavins recruiting or coaching record with Mullins. First and foremost, Lavin had 15 years of assistant/head coaching experience when he arrived at SJU. He should be a better recruiter and he should have a better record than a guy that never coached a game in his life. I think we tend to forget that you need to grade Mullins record with a built in curve since this is his first coaching gig ever. So what he does in years 2,3,4 etc is going to be different than what an established coaches record will be. I think that's kind of logical.
My only real issue with Chris is that he hasn't surrounded himself with at least one assistant that had previous college coaching experience. That part does fall in him.
Lastly, holy shit, we still have the majority of our conference games left. Unless you're Nostradamus, why even get all worked up about ifs and buts? Just cuz we're 3-4 now, doesn't mean we cant end up 12-6. Maybe we end up 6-12.. People are acting like we have 3 games left and we may not make the tourney or that we're a bubble team right now. Over dramatic much? Let the season play out and enjoy it FFS.
Now, I think it is foolish to compare Lavins recruiting or coaching record with Mullins. First and foremost, Lavin had 15 years of assistant/head coaching experience when he arrived at SJU. He should be a better recruiter and he should have a better record than a guy that never coached a game in his life. I think we tend to forget that you need to grade Mullins record with a built in curve since this is his first coaching gig ever. So what he does in years 2,3,4 etc is going to be different than what an established coaches record will be. I think that's kind of logical.
My only real issue with Chris is that he hasn't surrounded himself with at least one assistant that had previous college coaching experience. That part does fall in him.
Lastly, holy shit, we still have the majority of our conference games left. Unless you're Nostradamus, why even get all worked up about ifs and buts? Just cuz we're 3-4 now, doesn't mean we cant end up 12-6. Maybe we end up 6-12.. People are acting like we have 3 games left and we may not make the tourney or that we're a bubble team right now. Over dramatic much? Let the season play out and enjoy it FFS.
JohnnyFever
Active member
[quote="OLV72" post=317378]That last piece spot on. The season is far from done. Fans jump to comparisons to past seasons that are in the books.
A fair comparison can only be made when this one is over.[/quote]
No doubt we have the horses and there's a lot of season left, but we all know how unforgiving this conference is and the difference between 3rd and 9th or something close to that (too lazy to look) is 1 game. Every game is absolutely massive. Don't think that's overdramatic IMO. The reason there's a large contingent of fans who are skeptical is because of past results. If the team made the tournament last year, myself and many other skeptics would likely have positive outlooks with some actual past evidence to point to. That's the problem is we haven't even proven anything yet and haven't even been a .500 team let alone a winning team under Mullin. Can't grade him on a curve...this is business. If we had 10 years to experiment then maybe, but we don't have that. PC and SH have passed us by. We need to get back to being a regular contender.
A fair comparison can only be made when this one is over.[/quote]
No doubt we have the horses and there's a lot of season left, but we all know how unforgiving this conference is and the difference between 3rd and 9th or something close to that (too lazy to look) is 1 game. Every game is absolutely massive. Don't think that's overdramatic IMO. The reason there's a large contingent of fans who are skeptical is because of past results. If the team made the tournament last year, myself and many other skeptics would likely have positive outlooks with some actual past evidence to point to. That's the problem is we haven't even proven anything yet and haven't even been a .500 team let alone a winning team under Mullin. Can't grade him on a curve...this is business. If we had 10 years to experiment then maybe, but we don't have that. PC and SH have passed us by. We need to get back to being a regular contender.
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=317384][quote="OLV72" post=317378]That last piece spot on. The season is far from done. Fans jump to comparisons to past seasons that are in the books.
A fair comparison can only be made when this one is over.[/quote]
No doubt we have the horses and there's a lot of season left, but we all know how unforgiving this conference is and the difference between 3rd and 9th or something close to that (too lazy to look) is 1 game. Every game is absolutely massive. Don't think that's overdramatic IMO. The reason there's a large contingent of fans who are skeptical is because of past results. If the team made the tournament last year, myself and many other skeptics would likely have positive outlooks with some actual past evidence to point to. That's the problem is we haven't even proven anything yet and haven't even been a .500 team let alone a winning team under Mullin. Can't grade him on a curve...this is business. If we had 10 years to experiment then maybe, but we don't have that. PC and SH have passed us by. We need to get back to being a regular contender.[/quote]
What does all that have to do with the unfairness of comparing a half season to full seasons that are in the books?
A fair comparison can only be made when this one is over.[/quote]
No doubt we have the horses and there's a lot of season left, but we all know how unforgiving this conference is and the difference between 3rd and 9th or something close to that (too lazy to look) is 1 game. Every game is absolutely massive. Don't think that's overdramatic IMO. The reason there's a large contingent of fans who are skeptical is because of past results. If the team made the tournament last year, myself and many other skeptics would likely have positive outlooks with some actual past evidence to point to. That's the problem is we haven't even proven anything yet and haven't even been a .500 team let alone a winning team under Mullin. Can't grade him on a curve...this is business. If we had 10 years to experiment then maybe, but we don't have that. PC and SH have passed us by. We need to get back to being a regular contender.[/quote]
What does all that have to do with the unfairness of comparing a half season to full seasons that are in the books?
[quote="OLV72" post=317387][quote="Mike Zaun" post=317384][quote="OLV72" post=317378]That last piece spot on. The season is far from done. Fans jump to comparisons to past seasons that are in the books.
A fair comparison can only be made when this one is over.[/quote]
No doubt we have the horses and there's a lot of season left, but we all know how unforgiving this conference is and the difference between 3rd and 9th or something close to that (too lazy to look) is 1 game. Every game is absolutely massive. Don't think that's overdramatic IMO. The reason there's a large contingent of fans who are skeptical is because of past results. If the team made the tournament last year, myself and many other skeptics would likely have positive outlooks with some actual past evidence to point to. That's the problem is we haven't even proven anything yet and haven't even been a .500 team let alone a winning team under Mullin. Can't grade him on a curve...this is business. If we had 10 years to experiment then maybe, but we don't have that. PC and SH have passed us by. We need to get back to being a regular contender.[/quote]
What does all that have to do with the unfairness of comparing a half season to full seasons that are in the books?[/quote]
Basically MZ is saying due to past failures it is easy to jump to conclusions and assume this season will end the same.
This is an old craze I have named “The New York Jet Effect”
I know Zaun is a Jets fan. Which means he, like pretty much every other jets fan in the world, assumes the worst before it even happens. Why? Well the idea is if you wrap your mind around it happening before it does, it kind of, softens the blow.
Zaun is just utilizing the Jet Effect, he’s an emotional fan and he knows it’ll hurt if or when our names aren’t called on selection Sunday. So he’s laying the groundwork for the disappointment to be softened if the day comes.
The pessimistic viewpoint is such an easy way out in sports. You predict the worst, when it happens, you can say “I told you so”. When it doesn’t happen, everyone forgets about your pessimism as you celebrate with the rest of the fans. You win Everytime
A fair comparison can only be made when this one is over.[/quote]
No doubt we have the horses and there's a lot of season left, but we all know how unforgiving this conference is and the difference between 3rd and 9th or something close to that (too lazy to look) is 1 game. Every game is absolutely massive. Don't think that's overdramatic IMO. The reason there's a large contingent of fans who are skeptical is because of past results. If the team made the tournament last year, myself and many other skeptics would likely have positive outlooks with some actual past evidence to point to. That's the problem is we haven't even proven anything yet and haven't even been a .500 team let alone a winning team under Mullin. Can't grade him on a curve...this is business. If we had 10 years to experiment then maybe, but we don't have that. PC and SH have passed us by. We need to get back to being a regular contender.[/quote]
What does all that have to do with the unfairness of comparing a half season to full seasons that are in the books?[/quote]
Basically MZ is saying due to past failures it is easy to jump to conclusions and assume this season will end the same.
This is an old craze I have named “The New York Jet Effect”
I know Zaun is a Jets fan. Which means he, like pretty much every other jets fan in the world, assumes the worst before it even happens. Why? Well the idea is if you wrap your mind around it happening before it does, it kind of, softens the blow.
Zaun is just utilizing the Jet Effect, he’s an emotional fan and he knows it’ll hurt if or when our names aren’t called on selection Sunday. So he’s laying the groundwork for the disappointment to be softened if the day comes.
The pessimistic viewpoint is such an easy way out in sports. You predict the worst, when it happens, you can say “I told you so”. When it doesn’t happen, everyone forgets about your pessimism as you celebrate with the rest of the fans. You win Everytime
Class of 72
Active member
[quote="rawdognyc" post=317355]Let me preface this by saying that Chris Mullin definitely wasn't my first choice to be Steve Lavins replacement, however with that being said, he is our coach and I fully support him.
Now, I think it is foolish to compare Lavins recruiting or coaching record with Mullins. First and foremost, Lavin had 15 years of assistant/head coaching experience when he arrived at SJU. He should be a better recruiter and he should have a better record than a guy that never coached a game in his life. I think we tend to forget that you need to grade Mullins record with a built in curve since this is his first coaching gig ever. So what he does in years 2,3,4 etc is going to be different than what an established coaches record will be. I think that's kind of logical.
My only real issue with Chris is that he hasn't surrounded himself with at least one assistant that had previous college coaching experience. That part does fall in him.
Lastly, holy shit, we still have the majority of our conference games left. Unless you're Nostradamus, why even get all worked up about ifs and buts? Just cuz we're 3-4 now, doesn't mean we cant end up 12-6. Maybe we end up 6-12.. People are acting like we have 3 games left and we may not make the tourney or that we're a bubble team right now. Over dramatic much? Let the season play out and enjoy it FFS.[/quote]
I agree with much of what you said. Especially the assistant coach comment.
However, the grading on a curve is not valid. That would assume that St. John's deliberately decided to set itself back from the competition and accept longer term mediocrity for $2 million for Mullin and $600 K for Slice annually just to get where Lavin was in his last season. That makes no business sense.
Also, I, and many others questioned the hiring of Lavin because he had been out of coaching for six years. Other than Tony Chiles, he and his staff had no current connections to either the high school or college game except for television broadcasts.
That isn't much different than what has happened with the Mullin experiment. Frankly both hires were gambles rather than sound business hires. In irony is that in previous hires we tried to nickel and dime the prospective coaches and with Lavin and Mullin we opened the bank vault and still made poor decisions.
Mullin will be evaluated without a curve by Cragg and his long term employment will be based on results and not imaginary curves.
Now, I think it is foolish to compare Lavins recruiting or coaching record with Mullins. First and foremost, Lavin had 15 years of assistant/head coaching experience when he arrived at SJU. He should be a better recruiter and he should have a better record than a guy that never coached a game in his life. I think we tend to forget that you need to grade Mullins record with a built in curve since this is his first coaching gig ever. So what he does in years 2,3,4 etc is going to be different than what an established coaches record will be. I think that's kind of logical.
My only real issue with Chris is that he hasn't surrounded himself with at least one assistant that had previous college coaching experience. That part does fall in him.
Lastly, holy shit, we still have the majority of our conference games left. Unless you're Nostradamus, why even get all worked up about ifs and buts? Just cuz we're 3-4 now, doesn't mean we cant end up 12-6. Maybe we end up 6-12.. People are acting like we have 3 games left and we may not make the tourney or that we're a bubble team right now. Over dramatic much? Let the season play out and enjoy it FFS.[/quote]
I agree with much of what you said. Especially the assistant coach comment.
However, the grading on a curve is not valid. That would assume that St. John's deliberately decided to set itself back from the competition and accept longer term mediocrity for $2 million for Mullin and $600 K for Slice annually just to get where Lavin was in his last season. That makes no business sense.
Also, I, and many others questioned the hiring of Lavin because he had been out of coaching for six years. Other than Tony Chiles, he and his staff had no current connections to either the high school or college game except for television broadcasts.
That isn't much different than what has happened with the Mullin experiment. Frankly both hires were gambles rather than sound business hires. In irony is that in previous hires we tried to nickel and dime the prospective coaches and with Lavin and Mullin we opened the bank vault and still made poor decisions.
Mullin will be evaluated without a curve by Cragg and his long term employment will be based on results and not imaginary curves.
rawdognyc
Well-known member
[quote="Class of 72" post=317411][quote="rawdognyc" post=317355]Let me preface this by saying that Chris Mullin definitely wasn't my first choice to be Steve Lavins replacement, however with that being said, he is our coach and I fully support him.
Now, I think it is foolish to compare Lavins recruiting or coaching record with Mullins. First and foremost, Lavin had 15 years of assistant/head coaching experience when he arrived at SJU. He should be a better recruiter and he should have a better record than a guy that never coached a game in his life. I think we tend to forget that you need to grade Mullins record with a built in curve since this is his first coaching gig ever. So what he does in years 2,3,4 etc is going to be different than what an established coaches record will be. I think that's kind of logical.
My only real issue with Chris is that he hasn't surrounded himself with at least one assistant that had previous college coaching experience. That part does fall in him.
Lastly, holy shit, we still have the majority of our conference games left. Unless you're Nostradamus, why even get all worked up about ifs and buts? Just cuz we're 3-4 now, doesn't mean we cant end up 12-6. Maybe we end up 6-12.. People are acting like we have 3 games left and we may not make the tourney or that we're a bubble team right now. Over dramatic much? Let the season play out and enjoy it FFS.[/quote]
I agree with much of what you said. Especially the assistant coach comment.
However, the grading on a curve is not valid. That would assume that St. John's deliberately decided to set itself back from the competition and accept longer term mediocrity for $2 million for Mullin and $600 K for Slice annually just to get where Lavin was in his last season. That makes no business sense.
Also, I, and many others questioned the hiring of Lavin because he had been out of coaching for six years. Other than Tony Chiles, he and his staff had no current connections to either the high school or college game except for television broadcasts.
That isn't much different than what has happened with the Mullin experiment. Frankly both hires were gambles rather than sound business hires. In irony is that in previous hires we tried to nickel and dime the prospective coaches and with Lavin and Mullin we opened the bank vault and still made poor decisions.
Mullin will be evaluated without a curve by Cragg and his long term employment will be based on results and not imaginary curves.[/quote]
You're right, at the end of the day it's a business and they're will be decisions made by admin in regards to success or not. Which is totally fair. I look past the 0-11 conference start last year. I think it was a bit of an anomaly. So we finished the regular season 4-3. We are now 3-4 in the first 7 this year. Fair to say that we got screwed with the Seton Hall game. It's a loss on paper, but we all know we won that game. So theoretically over the last 14 conference games for Mullin, he's a respectable 8-6. I think the team will obviously finish stronger than last year. I'm thinking 11 or 12 wins (or hoping for at least). That means we're dancing in year 4. I actually think next year's team could be better than this team because of depth and overall talent top to bottom. With that said, the only way that team performs better is if they bring in a new assistant coach to replace Mitch.
Now, I think it is foolish to compare Lavins recruiting or coaching record with Mullins. First and foremost, Lavin had 15 years of assistant/head coaching experience when he arrived at SJU. He should be a better recruiter and he should have a better record than a guy that never coached a game in his life. I think we tend to forget that you need to grade Mullins record with a built in curve since this is his first coaching gig ever. So what he does in years 2,3,4 etc is going to be different than what an established coaches record will be. I think that's kind of logical.
My only real issue with Chris is that he hasn't surrounded himself with at least one assistant that had previous college coaching experience. That part does fall in him.
Lastly, holy shit, we still have the majority of our conference games left. Unless you're Nostradamus, why even get all worked up about ifs and buts? Just cuz we're 3-4 now, doesn't mean we cant end up 12-6. Maybe we end up 6-12.. People are acting like we have 3 games left and we may not make the tourney or that we're a bubble team right now. Over dramatic much? Let the season play out and enjoy it FFS.[/quote]
I agree with much of what you said. Especially the assistant coach comment.
However, the grading on a curve is not valid. That would assume that St. John's deliberately decided to set itself back from the competition and accept longer term mediocrity for $2 million for Mullin and $600 K for Slice annually just to get where Lavin was in his last season. That makes no business sense.
Also, I, and many others questioned the hiring of Lavin because he had been out of coaching for six years. Other than Tony Chiles, he and his staff had no current connections to either the high school or college game except for television broadcasts.
That isn't much different than what has happened with the Mullin experiment. Frankly both hires were gambles rather than sound business hires. In irony is that in previous hires we tried to nickel and dime the prospective coaches and with Lavin and Mullin we opened the bank vault and still made poor decisions.
Mullin will be evaluated without a curve by Cragg and his long term employment will be based on results and not imaginary curves.[/quote]
You're right, at the end of the day it's a business and they're will be decisions made by admin in regards to success or not. Which is totally fair. I look past the 0-11 conference start last year. I think it was a bit of an anomaly. So we finished the regular season 4-3. We are now 3-4 in the first 7 this year. Fair to say that we got screwed with the Seton Hall game. It's a loss on paper, but we all know we won that game. So theoretically over the last 14 conference games for Mullin, he's a respectable 8-6. I think the team will obviously finish stronger than last year. I'm thinking 11 or 12 wins (or hoping for at least). That means we're dancing in year 4. I actually think next year's team could be better than this team because of depth and overall talent top to bottom. With that said, the only way that team performs better is if they bring in a new assistant coach to replace Mitch.
[quote="Jack Williams" post=317395][quote="OLV72" post=317387][quote="Mike Zaun" post=317384][quote="OLV72" post=317378]That last piece spot on. The season is far from done. Fans jump to comparisons to past seasons that are in the books.
A fair comparison can only be made when this one is over.[/quote]
No doubt we have the horses and there's a lot of season left, but we all know how unforgiving this conference is and the difference between 3rd and 9th or something close to that (too lazy to look) is 1 game. Every game is absolutely massive. Don't think that's overdramatic IMO. The reason there's a large contingent of fans who are skeptical is because of past results. If the team made the tournament last year, myself and many other skeptics would likely have positive outlooks with some actual past evidence to point to. That's the problem is we haven't even proven anything yet and haven't even been a .500 team let alone a winning team under Mullin. Can't grade him on a curve...this is business. If we had 10 years to experiment then maybe, but we don't have that. PC and SH have passed us by. We need to get back to being a regular contender.[/quote]
What does all that have to do with the unfairness of comparing a half season to full seasons that are in the books?[/quote]
Basically MZ is saying due to past failures it is easy to jump to conclusions and assume this season will end the same.
This is an old craze I have named “The New York Jet Effect”
I know Zaun is a Jets fan. Which means he, like pretty much every other jets fan in the world, assumes the worst before it even happens. Why? Well the idea is if you wrap your mind around it happening before it does, it kind of, softens the blow.
Zaun is just utilizing the Jet Effect, he’s an emotional fan and he knows it’ll hurt if or when our names aren’t called on selection Sunday. So he’s laying the groundwork for the disappointment to be softened if the day comes.
The pessimistic viewpoint is such an easy way out in sports. You predict the worst, when it happens, you can say “I told you so”. When it doesn’t happen, everyone forgets about your pessimism as you celebrate with the rest of the fans. You win Everytime[/quote]
Jack, thanks for the explanation. I'm a Giant fan who used to regularly attend Jet games at Shea with my Jet fan buddies. I gave up trying to figure them out long ago.
Hope you make it up to 114 tomorrow or later in the season.
A fair comparison can only be made when this one is over.[/quote]
No doubt we have the horses and there's a lot of season left, but we all know how unforgiving this conference is and the difference between 3rd and 9th or something close to that (too lazy to look) is 1 game. Every game is absolutely massive. Don't think that's overdramatic IMO. The reason there's a large contingent of fans who are skeptical is because of past results. If the team made the tournament last year, myself and many other skeptics would likely have positive outlooks with some actual past evidence to point to. That's the problem is we haven't even proven anything yet and haven't even been a .500 team let alone a winning team under Mullin. Can't grade him on a curve...this is business. If we had 10 years to experiment then maybe, but we don't have that. PC and SH have passed us by. We need to get back to being a regular contender.[/quote]
What does all that have to do with the unfairness of comparing a half season to full seasons that are in the books?[/quote]
Basically MZ is saying due to past failures it is easy to jump to conclusions and assume this season will end the same.
This is an old craze I have named “The New York Jet Effect”
I know Zaun is a Jets fan. Which means he, like pretty much every other jets fan in the world, assumes the worst before it even happens. Why? Well the idea is if you wrap your mind around it happening before it does, it kind of, softens the blow.
Zaun is just utilizing the Jet Effect, he’s an emotional fan and he knows it’ll hurt if or when our names aren’t called on selection Sunday. So he’s laying the groundwork for the disappointment to be softened if the day comes.
The pessimistic viewpoint is such an easy way out in sports. You predict the worst, when it happens, you can say “I told you so”. When it doesn’t happen, everyone forgets about your pessimism as you celebrate with the rest of the fans. You win Everytime[/quote]
Jack, thanks for the explanation. I'm a Giant fan who used to regularly attend Jet games at Shea with my Jet fan buddies. I gave up trying to figure them out long ago.
Hope you make it up to 114 tomorrow or later in the season.
[quote="Jack Williams" post=317395][quote="OLV72" post=317387][quote="Mike Zaun" post=317384][quote="OLV72" post=317378]That last piece spot on. The season is far from done. Fans jump to comparisons to past seasons that are in the books.
A fair comparison can only be made when this one is over.[/quote]
No doubt we have the horses and there's a lot of season left, but we all know how unforgiving this conference is and the difference between 3rd and 9th or something close to that (too lazy to look) is 1 game. Every game is absolutely massive. Don't think that's overdramatic IMO. The reason there's a large contingent of fans who are skeptical is because of past results. If the team made the tournament last year, myself and many other skeptics would likely have positive outlooks with some actual past evidence to point to. That's the problem is we haven't even proven anything yet and haven't even been a .500 team let alone a winning team under Mullin. Can't grade him on a curve...this is business. If we had 10 years to experiment then maybe, but we don't have that. PC and SH have passed us by. We need to get back to being a regular contender.[/quote]
What does all that have to do with the unfairness of comparing a half season to full seasons that are in the books?[/quote]
Basically MZ is saying due to past failures it is easy to jump to conclusions and assume this season will end the same.
This is an old craze I have named “The New York Jet Effect”
I know Zaun is a Jets fan. Which means he, like pretty much every other jets fan in the world, assumes the worst before it even happens. Why? Well the idea is if you wrap your mind around it happening before it does, it kind of, softens the blow.
Zaun is just utilizing the Jet Effect, he’s an emotional fan and he knows it’ll hurt if or when our names aren’t called on selection Sunday. So he’s laying the groundwork for the disappointment to be softened if the day comes.
The pessimistic viewpoint is such an easy way out in sports. You predict the worst, when it happens, you can say “I told you so”. When it doesn’t happen, everyone forgets about your pessimism as you celebrate with the rest of the fans. You win Everytime[/quote] And he's unfortunately a Met fan like a lot of us too.
A fair comparison can only be made when this one is over.[/quote]
No doubt we have the horses and there's a lot of season left, but we all know how unforgiving this conference is and the difference between 3rd and 9th or something close to that (too lazy to look) is 1 game. Every game is absolutely massive. Don't think that's overdramatic IMO. The reason there's a large contingent of fans who are skeptical is because of past results. If the team made the tournament last year, myself and many other skeptics would likely have positive outlooks with some actual past evidence to point to. That's the problem is we haven't even proven anything yet and haven't even been a .500 team let alone a winning team under Mullin. Can't grade him on a curve...this is business. If we had 10 years to experiment then maybe, but we don't have that. PC and SH have passed us by. We need to get back to being a regular contender.[/quote]
What does all that have to do with the unfairness of comparing a half season to full seasons that are in the books?[/quote]
Basically MZ is saying due to past failures it is easy to jump to conclusions and assume this season will end the same.
This is an old craze I have named “The New York Jet Effect”
I know Zaun is a Jets fan. Which means he, like pretty much every other jets fan in the world, assumes the worst before it even happens. Why? Well the idea is if you wrap your mind around it happening before it does, it kind of, softens the blow.
Zaun is just utilizing the Jet Effect, he’s an emotional fan and he knows it’ll hurt if or when our names aren’t called on selection Sunday. So he’s laying the groundwork for the disappointment to be softened if the day comes.
The pessimistic viewpoint is such an easy way out in sports. You predict the worst, when it happens, you can say “I told you so”. When it doesn’t happen, everyone forgets about your pessimism as you celebrate with the rest of the fans. You win Everytime[/quote] And he's unfortunately a Met fan like a lot of us too.
JohnnyFever
Active member
Jack, precisely. Sad but true...my views on my teams aren't by choice but more experience. The Jets, Mets, and Knicks are awful at the bottom of their sports and are irrelevant 95% of the time in my life. Throw in SJ with all the twists and turns and you just wonder if there's something in the water in the NYC area that prevents our teams from dominating nationally consistently. I'm starved as a fan and I want to see a winner...we have the team to do it. Tomorrow will tell us a lot in terms of if they really want to go to the tourney or not. If they do, they will be going all out the entire game tomorrow and get a W.
Also, I can't see how you can simply write off an 0-11 start last year. Just imagine how absurd it would be for a coach to lead a team to 11-0 and then fans say it doesn't really count. Of course it counts. Even removing that from the equation, Mullin would still be near 20 games under .500 as a coach to this point in conference play. Not piling on, just saying there is a LOT of work to be done in conference. Good teams win against tough opponents regularly. Nova and Marquette don't make any excuses and just keep racking up W's.
Also, I can't see how you can simply write off an 0-11 start last year. Just imagine how absurd it would be for a coach to lead a team to 11-0 and then fans say it doesn't really count. Of course it counts. Even removing that from the equation, Mullin would still be near 20 games under .500 as a coach to this point in conference play. Not piling on, just saying there is a LOT of work to be done in conference. Good teams win against tough opponents regularly. Nova and Marquette don't make any excuses and just keep racking up W's.