Four Recruting Classes: A Summary

It's obvious that some people out there are trying to sabotage sju....they are not fans and their opinion is accepted as such...I have not given up on this talented team and look forward to Georgetown game...we are st johns...
 
[quote="johnny redman" post=317224]It's obvious that some people out there are trying to sabotage sju....they are not fans and their opinion is accepted as such...I have not given up on this talented team and look forward to Georgetown game...we are st johns...[/quote]

IMO I don't think I've seen anyone "giving up" or trying to "sabotage". I also haven't seen anyone being "negative". Many fans rightfully feel like the air was taken out after the losses. We can certainly get back on track but we have to show consistency and so far we have not.
 
I always wonder why DJs injury as used as an excuse for that team not progressing in tournament but Lovett not playing in Big East last year shouldn’t be a factor.

Let’s be consistent, no excuses either way. In both cases there needed to be enough depth and coaching dexterity to offset the loss or its a failure.
 
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Just a thought on recruiting HS players. It is certainly possible that no track record as a coach, followed by 3 rebuilding years, limited the staff's effectiveness with HS recruits. JUCO's and transfers obviously look at things differently. A top 3 or 4 Big East finish, which is certainly attainable, will lead to a NCAA bid. A decent post season, which means an impressive showing in the Big East and maybe a win or 2 in the tourney, may make HS recruiting easier. If the team finishes strong, and HS recruiting remains difficult, then throw that theory out.
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=317253]Just a thought on recruiting HS players. It is certainly possible that no track record as a coach, followed by 3 rebuilding years, limited the staff's effectiveness with HS recruits. JUCO's and transfers obviously look at things differently. A top 3 or 4 Big East finish, which is certainly attainable, will lead to a NCAA bid. A decent post season, which means an impressive showing in the Big East and maybe a win or 2 in the tourney, may make HS recruiting easier. If the team finishes strong, and HS recruiting remains difficult, then throw that theory out.[/quote]



Very rational thinking Ray Morgan. A name alone will not attract high quality recruits. I agree that if we finish the year strong, we will do better recruiting in the future.

Just curious, since Mullin and staff arrived, who were the best 5 high school players in New York?
 
[quote="L J S A" post=317214]I'd start Earlington and tell him to hammer Zion five time really hard.[/quote]

Do you think Zion would notice?
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=316976]Jack, your last post nailed it. Of course we all want Mullin to succeed and make the tourney. But you shouldn't just keep a coach because you dread losing recruits. The point is, if you don't have a good coach it doesn't matter who your recruits are unless it's someone like Zion or some McDonald's All American. I too expect more and I refuse to believe that 3-4 in the conference is where we want to be at our best. Just think about that for a second. We are barely considered in the tourney right now and that's only a guess. We were just ranked #24 and now we are essentially a bubble team. That's the problem. We are a legit top 25 team talent wise. The tourney shouldn't even be in question...that's the point. Right now it is and I hope like hell we get it together and fast. Once you get in a hole in this conference, it's nearly impossible to dig out.

Bottom line, I don't care if our coach is Ghandi. If he can't coach, you move on. Doesn't mean you hate Ghandi. Doesn't mean you are "negative". It means you're being logical. If a coach can't show anything in 4 or 5 years with these players, that means they never will.[/quote]

You are what 19 or 20. Every coach since you have been a fan has not met your criteria. See a pattern?
 
[quote="L J S A" post=317214]I'd start Earlington and tell him to hammer Zion five time really hard.[/quote]

You just gave Logan a chubby
 
[quote="we are sju" post=317272][quote="Mike Zaun" post=316976]Jack, your last post nailed it. Of course we all want Mullin to succeed and make the tourney. But you shouldn't just keep a coach because you dread losing recruits. The point is, if you don't have a good coach it doesn't matter who your recruits are unless it's someone like Zion or some McDonald's All American. I too expect more and I refuse to believe that 3-4 in the conference is where we want to be at our best. Just think about that for a second. We are barely considered in the tourney right now and that's only a guess. We were just ranked #24 and now we are essentially a bubble team. That's the problem. We are a legit top 25 team talent wise. The tourney shouldn't even be in question...that's the point. Right now it is and I hope like hell we get it together and fast. Once you get in a hole in this conference, it's nearly impossible to dig out.

Bottom line, I don't care if our coach is Ghandi. If he can't coach, you move on. Doesn't mean you hate Ghandi. Doesn't mean you are "negative". It means you're being logical. If a coach can't show anything in 4 or 5 years with these players, that means they never will.[/quote]

You are what 19 or 20. Every coach since you have been a fan has not met your criteria. See a pattern?[/quote]

29* still feels weird typing that. I was very, very impressed with Lavin in the 2011 season and the incredible recruiting haul he got after that. The problem was even when we made the tourney, we would just fall apart immediately. Couldn't play well in the big games in postseason. Also little offense and little development. Relative to the recruiting, he should have gotten much more. Under Mullin we are 30 games under .500 right now to date. HS recruiting has been a big concern although Tabor was a great pickup I'm glad to have. If we had Jay Wright as coach, you really think I'd be complaining? I was just starting to come around on Mullin this season until BE play started. Our teams under him notoriously struggle in conference play and are extremely inconsistent. Both coaches had a lot of weaknesses. I'm not even asking to be ranked or win a game in the NCAA's right now. All I'm asking for is to finish 4th and make the tourney. If we can do that 6 or 7 times every 10 years I would make my own statue of Mullin and donate it to the school. Wouldn't come out good at all but I'll do it!
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=317276][quote="we are sju" post=317272][quote="Mike Zaun" post=316976]Jack, your last post nailed it. Of course we all want Mullin to succeed and make the tourney. But you shouldn't just keep a coach because you dread losing recruits. The point is, if you don't have a good coach it doesn't matter who your recruits are unless it's someone like Zion or some McDonald's All American. I too expect more and I refuse to believe that 3-4 in the conference is where we want to be at our best. Just think about that for a second. We are barely considered in the tourney right now and that's only a guess. We were just ranked #24 and now we are essentially a bubble team. That's the problem. We are a legit top 25 team talent wise. The tourney shouldn't even be in question...that's the point. Right now it is and I hope like hell we get it together and fast. Once you get in a hole in this conference, it's nearly impossible to dig out.

Bottom line, I don't care if our coach is Ghandi. If he can't coach, you move on. Doesn't mean you hate Ghandi. Doesn't mean you are "negative". It means you're being logical. If a coach can't show anything in 4 or 5 years with these players, that means they never will.[/quote]

You are what 19 or 20. Every coach since you have been a fan has not met your criteria. See a pattern?[/quote]

29* still feels weird typing that. I was very, very impressed with Lavin in the 2011 season and the incredible recruiting haul he got after that. The problem was even when we made the tourney, we would just fall apart immediately. Couldn't play well in the big games in postseason. Also little offense and little development. Relative to the recruiting, he should have gotten much more. Under Mullin we are 30 games under .500 right now to date. HS recruiting has been a big concern although Tabor was a great pickup I'm glad to have. If we had Jay Wright as coach, you really think I'd be complaining? I was just starting to come around on Mullin this season until BE play started. Our teams under him notoriously struggle in conference play and are extremely inconsistent. Both coaches had a lot of weaknesses. I'm not even asking to be ranked or win a game in the NCAA's right now. All I'm asking for is to finish 4th and make the tourney. If we can do that 6 or 7 times every 10 years I would make my own statue of Mullin and donate it to the school. Wouldn't come out good at all but I'll do it![/quote]

If we make the tourney this year which I still expect to do, Mullin will have made the same number of tourney appearance as Lavin did in his first 4 seasons.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=317276][quote="we are sju" post=317272][quote="Mike Zaun" post=316976]Jack, your last post nailed it. Of course we all want Mullin to succeed and make the tourney. But you shouldn't just keep a coach because you dread losing recruits. The point is, if you don't have a good coach it doesn't matter who your recruits are unless it's someone like Zion or some McDonald's All American. I too expect more and I refuse to believe that 3-4 in the conference is where we want to be at our best. Just think about that for a second. We are barely considered in the tourney right now and that's only a guess. We were just ranked #24 and now we are essentially a bubble team. That's the problem. We are a legit top 25 team talent wise. The tourney shouldn't even be in question...that's the point. Right now it is and I hope like hell we get it together and fast. Once you get in a hole in this conference, it's nearly impossible to dig out.

Bottom line, I don't care if our coach is Ghandi. If he can't coach, you move on. Doesn't mean you hate Ghandi. Doesn't mean you are "negative". It means you're being logical. If a coach can't show anything in 4 or 5 years with these players, that means they never will.[/quote]

You are what 19 or 20. Every coach since you have been a fan has not met your criteria. See a pattern?[/quote]

29* still feels weird typing that. I was very, very impressed with Lavin in the 2011 season and the incredible recruiting haul he got after that. The problem was even when we made the tourney, we would just fall apart immediately. Couldn't play well in the big games in postseason. Also little offense and little development. Relative to the recruiting, he should have gotten much more. Under Mullin we are 30 games under .500 right now to date. HS recruiting has been a big concern although Tabor was a great pickup I'm glad to have. If we had Jay Wright as coach, you really think I'd be complaining? I was just starting to come around on Mullin this season until BE play started. Our teams under him notoriously struggle in conference play and are extremely inconsistent. Both coaches had a lot of weaknesses. I'm not even asking to be ranked or win a game in the NCAA's right now. All I'm asking for is to finish 4th and make the tourney. If we can do that 6 or 7 times every 10 years I would make my own statue of Mullin and donate it to the school. Wouldn't come out good at all but I'll do it![/quote]

Don’t really think we fell apart in 2011. DJ got hurt, and even though Hardy was our guy that year, DJ was really our best all around player.

On top of that, the committee completely screwed us, sending us out west to play Gonzaga who are always tough to beat in the tournament.

It’s funny they did the same thing to seton hall the year they won the BET. With Whitehead. Sent them out to play Gonzaga and they lose
 
True, very tough matchup...but which one isn't in the tournament? Every game is tough just like every game is tough in conference play. Some teams don't have nearly as much as difficulty getting wins as us though. At some point you have to win despite the difficulty. It's not like we don't have the players to do it. Just don't like the mentality of throwing our arms up after underwhelming performances and saying "oh well, it's tough". Everyone has it tough, now let's go win.
 
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[quote="we are sju" post=317285][quote="Mike Zaun" post=317276][quote="we are sju" post=317272][quote="Mike Zaun" post=316976]Jack, your last post nailed it. Of course we all want Mullin to succeed and make the tourney. But you shouldn't just keep a coach because you dread losing recruits. The point is, if you don't have a good coach it doesn't matter who your recruits are unless it's someone like Zion or some McDonald's All American. I too expect more and I refuse to believe that 3-4 in the conference is where we want to be at our best. Just think about that for a second. We are barely considered in the tourney right now and that's only a guess. We were just ranked #24 and now we are essentially a bubble team. That's the problem. We are a legit top 25 team talent wise. The tourney shouldn't even be in question...that's the point. Right now it is and I hope like hell we get it together and fast. Once you get in a hole in this conference, it's nearly impossible to dig out.

Bottom line, I don't care if our coach is Ghandi. If he can't coach, you move on. Doesn't mean you hate Ghandi. Doesn't mean you are "negative". It means you're being logical. If a coach can't show anything in 4 or 5 years with these players, that means they never will.[/quote]

You are what 19 or 20. Every coach since you have been a fan has not met your criteria. See a pattern?[/quote]

29* still feels weird typing that. I was very, very impressed with Lavin in the 2011 season and the incredible recruiting haul he got after that. The problem was even when we made the tourney, we would just fall apart immediately. Couldn't play well in the big games in postseason. Also little offense and little development. Relative to the recruiting, he should have gotten much more. Under Mullin we are 30 games under .500 right now to date. HS recruiting has been a big concern although Tabor was a great pickup I'm glad to have. If we had Jay Wright as coach, you really think I'd be complaining? I was just starting to come around on Mullin this season until BE play started. Our teams under him notoriously struggle in conference play and are extremely inconsistent. Both coaches had a lot of weaknesses. I'm not even asking to be ranked or win a game in the NCAA's right now. All I'm asking for is to finish 4th and make the tourney. If we can do that 6 or 7 times every 10 years I would make my own statue of Mullin and donate it to the school. Wouldn't come out good at all but I'll do it![/quote]

If we make the tourney this year which I still expect to do, Mullin will have made the same number of tourney appearance as Lavin did in his first 4 seasons.[/quote]

Lavin spent season two recovering from cancer surgery. In the 4 full seasons he coached his players St. John's went to 2 NITs and 2 NCAA tournaments. Your gesticulated comment was in gest I presume.
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=317231]I always wonder why DJs injury as used as an excuse for that team not progressing in tournament but Lovett not playing in Big East last year shouldn’t be a factor.

Let’s be consistent, no excuses either way. In both cases there needed to be enough depth and coaching dexterity to offset the loss or its a failure.[/quote]

They had no time to adjust to DJ's injury in 2011. If he had gotten hurt in December or January, we obviously would not have been as good, but we may have found some sort of rhythm eventually. Instead, he got hurt, the one game elimination tournament came right after that, and the season was over.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=317291][quote="we are sju" post=317285][quote="Mike Zaun" post=317276][quote="we are sju" post=317272][quote="Mike Zaun" post=316976]Jack, your last post nailed it. Of course we all want Mullin to succeed and make the tourney. But you shouldn't just keep a coach because you dread losing recruits. The point is, if you don't have a good coach it doesn't matter who your recruits are unless it's someone like Zion or some McDonald's All American. I too expect more and I refuse to believe that 3-4 in the conference is where we want to be at our best. Just think about that for a second. We are barely considered in the tourney right now and that's only a guess. We were just ranked #24 and now we are essentially a bubble team. That's the problem. We are a legit top 25 team talent wise. The tourney shouldn't even be in question...that's the point. Right now it is and I hope like hell we get it together and fast. Once you get in a hole in this conference, it's nearly impossible to dig out.

Bottom line, I don't care if our coach is Ghandi. If he can't coach, you move on. Doesn't mean you hate Ghandi. Doesn't mean you are "negative". It means you're being logical. If a coach can't show anything in 4 or 5 years with these players, that means they never will.[/quote]

You are what 19 or 20. Every coach since you have been a fan has not met your criteria. See a pattern?[/quote]

29* still feels weird typing that. I was very, very impressed with Lavin in the 2011 season and the incredible recruiting haul he got after that. The problem was even when we made the tourney, we would just fall apart immediately. Couldn't play well in the big games in postseason. Also little offense and little development. Relative to the recruiting, he should have gotten much more. Under Mullin we are 30 games under .500 right now to date. HS recruiting has been a big concern although Tabor was a great pickup I'm glad to have. If we had Jay Wright as coach, you really think I'd be complaining? I was just starting to come around on Mullin this season until BE play started. Our teams under him notoriously struggle in conference play and are extremely inconsistent. Both coaches had a lot of weaknesses. I'm not even asking to be ranked or win a game in the NCAA's right now. All I'm asking for is to finish 4th and make the tourney. If we can do that 6 or 7 times every 10 years I would make my own statue of Mullin and donate it to the school. Wouldn't come out good at all but I'll do it![/quote]

If we make the tourney this year which I still expect to do, Mullin will have made the same number of tourney appearance as Lavin did in his first 4 seasons.[/quote]

Lavin spent season two recovering from cancer surgery. In the 4 full seasons he coached his players St. John's went to 2 NITs and 2 NCAA tournaments. Your gesticulated comment was in gest I presume.[/quote]

What is an NIT? Is that like the CIB or TCBY tourney Norm made?
Yeah because the Wizard of Westwood would have won more games than the guy everyone on here spent 4 years lamenting the fact that he left.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=317299]
What is an NIT? [/quote]

It's that ledge about 10 rungs above a losing season.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=317299][quote="Class of 72" post=317291][quote="we are sju" post=317285][quote="Mike Zaun" post=317276][quote="we are sju" post=317272][quote="Mike Zaun" post=316976]Jack, your last post nailed it. Of course we all want Mullin to succeed and make the tourney. But you shouldn't just keep a coach because you dread losing recruits. The point is, if you don't have a good coach it doesn't matter who your recruits are unless it's someone like Zion or some McDonald's All American. I too expect more and I refuse to believe that 3-4 in the conference is where we want to be at our best. Just think about that for a second. We are barely considered in the tourney right now and that's only a guess. We were just ranked #24 and now we are essentially a bubble team. That's the problem. We are a legit top 25 team talent wise. The tourney shouldn't even be in question...that's the point. Right now it is and I hope like hell we get it together and fast. Once you get in a hole in this conference, it's nearly impossible to dig out.

Bottom line, I don't care if our coach is Ghandi. If he can't coach, you move on. Doesn't mean you hate Ghandi. Doesn't mean you are "negative". It means you're being logical. If a coach can't show anything in 4 or 5 years with these players, that means they never will.[/quote]

You are what 19 or 20. Every coach since you have been a fan has not met your criteria. See a pattern?[/quote]

29* still feels weird typing that. I was very, very impressed with Lavin in the 2011 season and the incredible recruiting haul he got after that. The problem was even when we made the tourney, we would just fall apart immediately. Couldn't play well in the big games in postseason. Also little offense and little development. Relative to the recruiting, he should have gotten much more. Under Mullin we are 30 games under .500 right now to date. HS recruiting has been a big concern although Tabor was a great pickup I'm glad to have. If we had Jay Wright as coach, you really think I'd be complaining? I was just starting to come around on Mullin this season until BE play started. Our teams under him notoriously struggle in conference play and are extremely inconsistent. Both coaches had a lot of weaknesses. I'm not even asking to be ranked or win a game in the NCAA's right now. All I'm asking for is to finish 4th and make the tourney. If we can do that 6 or 7 times every 10 years I would make my own statue of Mullin and donate it to the school. Wouldn't come out good at all but I'll do it![/quote]

If we make the tourney this year which I still expect to do, Mullin will have made the same number of tourney appearance as Lavin did in his first 4 seasons.[/quote]

Lavin spent season two recovering from cancer surgery. In the 4 full seasons he coached his players St. John's went to 2 NITs and 2 NCAA tournaments. Your gesticulated comment was in gest I presume.[/quote]

What is an NIT? Is that like the CIB or TCBY tourney Norm made?
Yeah because the Wizard of Westwood would have won more games than the guy everyone on here spent 4 years lamenting the fact that he left.[/quote] I think its a venereal disease.
 
Guys please try not to quote 5-6 replies it makes the board very unreadable.
 
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[quote="austour" post=317300][quote="we are sju" post=317299]
What is an NIT? [/quote]

It's that ledge about 10 rungs above a losing season.[/quote]

NCAA or bust!
 
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