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disagree totally. Moose played out of position last year. Ill take a guy hitting mid 40% on 3s. Short memory on lack of shooting we've had on this team [...] Mussini has said and done all the right things since being here, i wouldn't want him a kid like hime to leave. By the end of the year, if we run a 3 guard offense he will be an important tool.
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We have three guards and four players shooting > 40 percent from three and all of them bring something else to the table, as opposed to Missini, who's an oompah loompah who couldn't dover a pillar. Next year with Simon he'd be the fifth guard. I have no problem with him being the fifth guard. If he's anything more than that we're in deep doo doo.

Brust also ignited the defense, something of an intangible you can't put a value on.
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We all have different memories of our favorite players. Here's my favorite Brust story:

"One [camp invite] for the Bulls was a tough but marginally talented kid from St. John’s, Matt Brust. Brust was a wide-body guy with a crew cut who resembled a Marine drill sergeant and played that way.

Brust pretty quickly figured with Armstrong, John Paxson, and Craig Hodges at guard, his position, he wasn’t going to make the team. So he decided to make a name. He was playing physically and one day started going after Jordan, eventually taking out Jordan as Jordan was about to dunk. Jordan landed hard and the medical staff came running.

Jordan got back up in a few minutes an insisted the scrimmage continue [,,,] When the scrimmage got going again ... Jordan stripped the ball while defending Brust and ran out ahead to dunk. But as Jordan got to the basket he slowed down for Brust to catch up. As Brust went up to take out Jordan again, Jordan switched the ball to his left hand and leaned back and smashed Brust in the face with his right elbow. Brust went down and he was out—and released the next day as well."
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I must admit as a 14 /15 year old I enjoyed the Matt Brust experience.
Fun, not sure if you know this but you and one of your old BEB sparring partners PMG have Matt Brust hatred in common. You guys are the only ST John's fans I ever ever heard not like Brust.
 
Contrary to my OP, don't see a point in Matt going hard after the USF kid, or the kid having an interest in coming here, unless there's a strong possibility that Lovett and/or Ponds goes. Don't see the kid coming here to share time with those 2.
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USF kid may never make it here, but I assume he will want to be a starting PG wherever he lands.
 
Only at SJU you would have a fan picking apart a kid shooting threes 48% 13 games into the season.
 
Fun, not sure if you know this but you and one of your old BEB sparring partners PMG have Matt Brust hatred in common. You guys are the only ST John's fans I ever ever heard not like Brust.
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PMG and I bonded over our dislike of Brust and it turned out our families were practically neighbors on Breezy Point. Go figure, small world. Speaking of black and white, the word that Brust brings to mind is: thug. I don't remember whether I actively disliked him back then but I do now, he's just completely overrated with his dopey crew cut and stupid wojo floor slapping.
 
Only at SJU you would have a fan picking apart a kid shooting threes 48% 13 games into the season.
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Yeah, I acknowledged he's a pretty good 3 point shooter, who otherwise is not very good at basketball. He's small, he's slow, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't defend and he averages fewer assists per game than notorious ball hogs like Bashir Ahmed and even Avery Patterson. If noticing his many obvious flaws comprises "picking apart," I guess I'm picking him apart. But only because he stinks.
 
Fun, not sure if you know this but you and one of your old BEB sparring partners PMG have Matt Brust hatred in common. You guys are the only ST John's fans I ever ever heard not like Brust.
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PMG and I bonded over our dislike of Brust and it turned out our families were practically neighbors on Breezy Point. Go figure, small world. Speaking of black and white, the word that Brust brings to mind is: thug. I don't remember whether I actively disliked him back then but I do now, he's just completely overrated with his dopey crew cut and stupid wojo floor slapping.
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PMG swears Barry Milhaven (remember him, skinny guy) punched out Brust during a practice.
 
Sometimes you need some extra toughness especially when our opponents were teams like Georgetown and Pitt who had were expert (G'town were expert, Pitt were a little more clumsy) at surreptitiously punching/elbowing our guys in the gut all game long and maybe getting called for it a couple of times during the entire season.

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disagree totally. Moose played out of position last year. Ill take a guy hitting mid 40% on 3s. Short memory on lack of shooting we've had on this team [...] Mussini has said and done all the right things since being here, i wouldn't want him a kid like hime to leave. By the end of the year, if we run a 3 guard offense he will be an important tool.
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We have three guards and four players shooting > 40 percent from three and all of them bring something else to the table, as opposed to Missini, who's an oompah loompah who couldn't dover a pillar. Next year with Simon he'd be the fifth guard. I have no problem with him being the fifth guard. If he's anything more than that we're in deep doo doo.

Brust also ignited the defense, something of an intangible you can't put a value on.
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We all have different memories of our favorite players. Here's my favorite Brust story:

"One [camp invite] for the Bulls was a tough but marginally talented kid from St. John’s, Matt Brust. Brust was a wide-body guy with a crew cut who resembled a Marine drill sergeant and played that way.

Brust pretty quickly figured with Armstrong, John Paxson, and Craig Hodges at guard, his position, he wasn’t going to make the team. So he decided to make a name. He was playing physically and one day started going after Jordan, eventually taking out Jordan as Jordan was about to dunk. Jordan landed hard and the medical staff came running.

Jordan got back up in a few minutes an insisted the scrimmage continue [,,,] When the scrimmage got going again ... Jordan stripped the ball while defending Brust and ran out ahead to dunk. But as Jordan got to the basket he slowed down for Brust to catch up. As Brust went up to take out Jordan again, Jordan switched the ball to his left hand and leaned back and smashed Brust in the face with his right elbow. Brust went down and he was out—and released the next day as well."
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I must admit as a 14 /15 year old I enjoyed the Matt Brust experience.
Fun, not sure if you know this but you and one of your old BEB sparring partners PMG have Matt Brust hatred in common. You guys are the only ST John's fans I ever ever heard not like Brust.
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You can add my name to that list. Lived off the "former UNC player" rep; lived up to being over-rated ... which is why he was a former UNC player.
 
Fun, not sure if you know this but you and one of your old BEB sparring partners PMG have Matt Brust hatred in common. You guys are the only ST John's fans I ever ever heard not like Brust.
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PMG and I bonded over our dislike of Brust and it turned out our families were practically neighbors on Breezy Point. Go figure, small world. Speaking of black and white, the word that Brust brings to mind is: thug. I don't remember whether I actively disliked him back then but I do now, he's just completely overrated with his dopey crew cut and stupid wojo floor slapping.
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PMG swears Barry Milhaven (remember him, skinny guy) punched out Brust during a practice.
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That's Hugh Barry Milhaven ;) who transferred in from like a D2 local school and was a roster filler when Lou was caught short on players. He was not good and I think always wore knee braces.
 
Only at SJU you would have a fan picking apart a kid shooting threes 48% 13 games into the season.
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Yeah, I acknowledged he's a pretty good 3 point shooter, who otherwise is not very good at basketball. He's small, he's slow, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't defend and he averages fewer assists per game than notorious ball hogs like Bashir Ahmed and even Avery Patterson. If noticing his many obvious flaws comprises "picking apart," I guess I'm picking him apart. But only because he stinks.
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Just saying the guy is proving that he does one important thing very well. We'll see if he maintains a low to mid 40's rate by the end of the BE season.
 
honestly i don't want to hear that. I hate hearing all the transfer talk. What happened to "we are a close family" on this team. I actually think Mussini's game has improved greatly with Ponds and LoVett at the point. When Moose is hot that frees up the rest of the perimeter .
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Hot is an interesting characterization. This year Missini was 5-6 versus Bethune, 4-7 versus Csun, 4-6 versus Fordham, and 3 of 4 Tulane. On the one hand those were four wins. On the other those teams are all atrocious.

He's 28 of 58 on the year from three, 49 percent, very nice. Against those four teams he's 16 of 23, 70 percent. Against the 8 teams that don't stink he's 12 of 35, 34 percent. That might be a coincidence but I don't think so. Conclusion: he's the most overrated Saint John's player since floor slapping dope Matt Brust.

That said, transfers interrupt continuity, which is bad. On the other hand recruiting over over matched players is good and one way to get better quickly.
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disagree totally. Moose played out of position last year. Ill take a guy hitting mid 40% on 3s. Short memory on lack of shooting we've had on this team. Brust also ignited the defense, something of an intangible you can't put a value on. Mussini has said and done all the right things since being here, i wouldn't want him a kid like hime to leave. By the end of the year, if we run a 3 guard offense he will be an important tool.
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I believe Brust was a college football player also, and played basketball like he was a football player. Hard nosed player, but not one of my favorites.

I don't know if any of you remember playing basketball in Alumni Hall during open gym time, which was most of the day I remember. The baseball team played a lot of bball, but many of them were notorious hackers and if you took the ball to the hoop, you'd likely get shoved grabbed or awkwardly hacked in a way that could hurt you.
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Beast,

He was all long island in football - don't think he played football at UNC before Dean Smith arranged for him to come here. His brother Chris played a season at UNC with Jordan and won the championship with him. It is more than likely that Jordan knew Matt Brust well before he played in that pre-season with him.

Matt Brust played in an epic all star game at the Nassau Coliseum after his senior year. Long Island lost by like one point in OT with both teams going over 100 points. Pearl won the game and had 50 I think. Brust was fouled about ten times going to the hoop and hit almost every foul shot. He still looked more like a tight end in the making. I guess he preferred hoops.
 
Mussini: 6th on team in Minutes
-4th in points
-1st 3pt %
-1st FT%
-5th in FG%
-tied for 7th rebounds (Freud)
-tied for 7th assists (Owens)
-tied for 2nd steals (Ellison)
-1st (i.e. least bad) among guards Turnovers committed
 
Mussini: 6th on team in Minutes
-4th in points
-1st 3pt %
-1st FT%
-5th in FG%
-tied for 7th rebounds (Freud)
-tied for 7th assists (Owens)
-tied for 2nd steals (Ellison)
-1st (i.e. least bad) among guards Turnovers committed
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Who are you, the anti-Foad? ;) :(
 
Mussini: 6th on team in Minutes
-4th in points
-1st 3pt %
-1st FT%
-5th in FG%
-tied for 7th rebounds (Freud)
-tied for 7th assists (Owens)
-tied for 2nd steals (Ellison)
-1st (i.e. least bad) among guards Turnovers committed
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According to ESPN

Tied for 7th in FG percentage, not fifth, and .03 from ninth.

7th in assists, less than one per game.

9th in rebounds, less than one per game.

4th worst in average TOs per game, 5th in total turnovers. Which considering how little he handles the ball is saying something.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/2599/st-john-red-storm

And the worst defender on a team of bad defenders by a wide margin.
 
disagree totally. Moose played out of position last year. Ill take a guy hitting mid 40% on 3s. Short memory on lack of shooting we've had on this team [...] Mussini has said and done all the right things since being here, i wouldn't want him a kid like hime to leave. By the end of the year, if we run a 3 guard offense he will be an important tool.
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We have three guards and four players shooting > 40 percent from three and all of them bring something else to the table, as opposed to Missini, who's an oompah loompah who couldn't dover a pillar. Next year with Simon he'd be the fifth guard. I have no problem with him being the fifth guard. If he's anything more than that we're in deep doo doo.

Brust also ignited the defense, something of an intangible you can't put a value on.
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We all have different memories of our favorite players. Here's my favorite Brust story:

"One [camp invite] for the Bulls was a tough but marginally talented kid from St. John’s, Matt Brust. Brust was a wide-body guy with a crew cut who resembled a Marine drill sergeant and played that way.

Brust pretty quickly figured with Armstrong, John Paxson, and Craig Hodges at guard, his position, he wasn’t going to make the team. So he decided to make a name. He was playing physically and one day started going after Jordan, eventually taking out Jordan as Jordan was about to dunk. Jordan landed hard and the medical staff came running.

Jordan got back up in a few minutes an insisted the scrimmage continue [,,,] When the scrimmage got going again ... Jordan stripped the ball while defending Brust and ran out ahead to dunk. But as Jordan got to the basket he slowed down for Brust to catch up. As Brust went up to take out Jordan again, Jordan switched the ball to his left hand and leaned back and smashed Brust in the face with his right elbow. Brust went down and he was out—and released the next day as well."
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I must admit as a 14 /15 year old I enjoyed the Matt Brust experience.
Fun, not sure if you know this but you and one of your old BEB sparring partners PMG have Matt Brust hatred in common. You guys are the only ST John's fans I ever ever heard not like Brust.
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You can add my name to that list. Lived off the "former UNC player" rep; lived up to being over-rated ... which is why he was a former UNC player.
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Matt Brust had an older brother who was a pretty good player at NC, and that was his connection to that program. I don't know if Smith gave him a scholarship or he walked-on.
 
According to ESPN
Tied for 7th in FG percentage, not fifth, and .03 from ninth.
7th in assists, less than one per game.
9th in rebounds, less than one per game.
4th worst in average TOs per game, 5th in total turnovers. Which considering how little he handles the ball is saying something.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/2599/st-john-red-storm
And the worst defender on a team of bad defenders by a wide margin.
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you are counting Sima, Holifield (100%) and Williams which by reasonable standards would not be in any comparison. and the rest is just argumentative especially since you just repeated one of the stats that I gave - without opinion btw. Just the facts ma'am.
 
According to ESPN
Tied for 7th in FG percentage, not fifth, and .03 from ninth.
7th in assists, less than one per game.
9th in rebounds, less than one per game.
4th worst in average TOs per game, 5th in total turnovers. Which considering how little he handles the ball is saying something.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/2599/st-john-red-storm
And the worst defender on a team of bad defenders by a wide margin.
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you are counting Sima, Holifield (100%) and Williams which by reasonable standards would not be in any comparison. and the rest is just argumentative especially since you just repeated one of the stats that I gave - without opinion btw. Just the facts ma'am.
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You used percentages when it suited you and totals when percentages didn't, to make the facts seem different than what they are. See also how to lie with statistics 101. So much for your pretense of objectivity.

Want a fact? Missini's a short slow one trick pony in whom a lot of people are for some strange reason emotionally invested. The charitable explanation is the one postulated by WeareSJU: that you don't know very much about basketball.
 
You used percentages when it suited you and totals when percentages didn't, to make the facts seem different than what they are. See also how to lie with statistics 101. So much for your pretense of objectivity.
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I actually did not do that. Another argumentative statement. The facts are there on the link you provided which is all I did, without comment. So for a guy with first off the bench minutes objectively speaking his numbers are respectable unless you have an emotional bias. I did not call you or others, reverse racists or anything like that.
 
same with Matt Brust coincidentally. Guy worked his tail off every minute and you hate him. Whatever.
 
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