FBI found major violations...

Yes in theory a capped stipend would help, but again you have some schools that essentially print their own money. If it's a $50,000 a year stipend, you will have schools like Ohio State secretly offering $200,000 for the best recruits. I guess the closest you can get to fixing the problem realistically is giving a capped stipend to players, letting top players go to the NBA immediately, and dropping the hammer on anyone caught paying over the cap or other shady business. By drop the hammer I mean legitimate prison time and immediately being fired. Even after all that you would still have the usual suspects probably paying more in back allies but it would definitely make coaches more hesitant to do this stuff.
 
[quote="Enright" post=273766]Paying the players could alleviate the corruption somewhat but the only solution is enormous penalties. Officials are talking about a thousand a month stipend but Pitino, Cal etc are paying a hundred thousand and if Pitino paid Bowen a hundred that means there were probably offers of fifty and seventy five by other esteemed coaches.
If the 5's are allowed to go pro out of high school the high 4's will get the offers. The only way to somewhat control the illegal payments is strict investigation of the problem with the head coach responsible even if there is no evidence of his involvement . Immediate firing and substantial fine for the school.
The current coaches of the elite programs have been cheating for so long and they know each other is doing it that it is probably impossible to totally stop it but if one of them gets caught and gets fired instead of losing a scholarship or two perhaps it can be controlled.
Paying a monthly stipend to these elite recruits will do nothing.[/quote]

I agree that the stipend does nothing to deter cheating. The point of a stipend is that the players deserve compensation above the scholarship. The well funded enforcement is what is lacking right now. This has to be implemented along with compensating the players for the excessive time they put into their development.
 
Not that it has anything to do with Matt, but Will Wade, his close buddy, is under scrutiny;

 
[quote="Paultzman" post=273816]Not that it has anything to do with Matt, but Will Wade, his close buddy, is under scrutiny;

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There goes Matt's carrot on the stick attempt for another raise.:p
 
[quote="OLV72" post=273768][quote="Enright" post=273766]Paying the players could alleviate the corruption somewhat but the only solution is enormous penalties. Officials are talking about a thousand a month stipend but Pitino, Cal etc are paying a hundred thousand and if Pitino paid Bowen a hundred that means there were probably offers of fifty and seventy five by other esteemed coaches.
If the 5's are allowed to go pro out of high school the high 4's will get the offers. The only way to somewhat control the illegal payments is strict investigation of the problem with the head coach responsible even if there is no evidence of his involvement . Immediate firing and substantial fine for the school.
The current coaches of the elite programs have been cheating for so long and they know each other is doing it that it is probably impossible to totally stop it but if one of them gets caught and gets fired instead of losing a scholarship or two perhaps it can be controlled.
Paying a monthly stipend to these elite recruits will do nothing.[/quote]

I agree that the stipend does nothing to deter cheating. The point of a stipend is that the players deserve compensation above the scholarship. The well funded enforcement is what is lacking right now. This has to be implemented along with compensating the players for the excessive time they put into their development.[/quote]

They are currently allowed legitimate compensation above the scholarship. They pay for nothing NADA while the Toxicology major at St. John's has to work nights and weekends at CVS. Ninety nine % of college basketball players (students) have no professional capabilities whatsoever. All of this bullshit about paying players is about the 1 per cent that shoe companies want to invest in so they market their brand when they get to the NBA. This is the only country in the world that has commercialized two college sports to the point of corruption. Let the 5 star players go pro at 17 or 18 and hold the NBA Players union responsible for the current state of affairs. The college baseball lacrosse, and soccer players put in just as much time for their sports, both men and women, so why should we cater to that 1 % that doesn't even want to be in college in the first place. ??
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=273822][quote="OLV72" post=273768][quote="Enright" post=273766]Paying the players could alleviate the corruption somewhat but the only solution is enormous penalties. Officials are talking about a thousand a month stipend but Pitino, Cal etc are paying a hundred thousand and if Pitino paid Bowen a hundred that means there were probably offers of fifty and seventy five by other esteemed coaches.
If the 5's are allowed to go pro out of high school the high 4's will get the offers. The only way to somewhat control the illegal payments is strict investigation of the problem with the head coach responsible even if there is no evidence of his involvement . Immediate firing and substantial fine for the school.
The current coaches of the elite programs have been cheating for so long and they know each other is doing it that it is probably impossible to totally stop it but if one of them gets caught and gets fired instead of losing a scholarship or two perhaps it can be controlled.
Paying a monthly stipend to these elite recruits will do nothing.[/quote]

I agree that the stipend does nothing to deter cheating. The point of a stipend is that the players deserve compensation above the scholarship. The well funded enforcement is what is lacking right now. This has to be implemented along with compensating the players for the excessive time they put into their development.[/quote]

They are currently allowed legitimate compensation above the scholarship. They pay for nothing NADA while the Toxicology major at St. John's has to work nights and weekends at CVS. Ninety nine % of college basketball players (students) have no professional capabilities whatsoever. All of this bullshit about paying players is about the 1 per cent that shoe companies want to invest in so they market their brand when they get to the NBA. This is the only country in the world that has commercialized two college sports to the point of corruption. Let the 5 star players go pro at 17 or 18 and hold the NBA Players union responsible for the current state of affairs. The college baseball lacrosse, and soccer players put in just as much time for their sports, both men and women, so why should we cater to that 1 % that doesn't even want to be in college in the first place. ??[/quote]

Legit point on the non revenue producing sports versus the two sports that make these non profits millions. My take is that the students playing those sports are lucky their tuition is still being paid for by the rest of the student body.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=273822][quote="OLV72" post=273768][quote="Enright" post=273766]Paying the players could alleviate the corruption somewhat but the only solution is enormous penalties. Officials are talking about a thousand a month stipend but Pitino, Cal etc are paying a hundred thousand and if Pitino paid Bowen a hundred that means there were probably offers of fifty and seventy five by other esteemed coaches.
If the 5's are allowed to go pro out of high school the high 4's will get the offers. The only way to somewhat control the illegal payments is strict investigation of the problem with the head coach responsible even if there is no evidence of his involvement . Immediate firing and substantial fine for the school.
The current coaches of the elite programs have been cheating for so long and they know each other is doing it that it is probably impossible to totally stop it but if one of them gets caught and gets fired instead of losing a scholarship or two perhaps it can be controlled.
Paying a monthly stipend to these elite recruits will do nothing.[/quote]

I agree that the stipend does nothing to deter cheating. The point of a stipend is that the players deserve compensation above the scholarship. The well funded enforcement is what is lacking right now. This has to be implemented along with compensating the players for the excessive time they put into their development.[/quote]

They are currently allowed legitimate compensation above the scholarship. They pay for nothing NADA while the Toxicology major at St. John's has to work nights and weekends at CVS. Ninety nine % of college basketball players (students) have no professional capabilities whatsoever. All of this bullshit about paying players is about the 1 per cent that shoe companies want to invest in so they market their brand when they get to the NBA. This is the only country in the world that has commercialized two college sports to the point of corruption. Let the 5 star players go pro at 17 or 18 and hold the NBA Players union responsible for the current state of affairs. The college baseball lacrosse, and soccer players put in just as much time for their sports, both men and women, so why should we cater to that 1 % that doesn't even want to be in college in the first place. ??[/quote]

Agreed. Its pretty simple: A kid either wants to go to college or he wants to go pro. It should be his choice. He shouldn't be forced to go to college for a year. Just like baseball. If he goes to college he gets tuition, room and board and plenty of other perks(tutors, etc) in return for playing a sport. Damn, sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
 
Am I mistaken that over ninety per cent of college bb players receive about five hundred dollars a month from a Pell Grant?
 
Don't know about Pell Grant, but a few years back it was allowed to give athletes a stipend for "total cost of attendance"....supposed to be a few thousand $..
 
[quote="Monte" post=273836][quote="Class of 72" post=273822][quote="OLV72" post=273768][quote="Enright" post=273766]Paying the players could alleviate the corruption somewhat but the only solution is enormous penalties. Officials are talking about a thousand a month stipend but Pitino, Cal etc are paying a hundred thousand and if Pitino paid Bowen a hundred that means there were probably offers of fifty and seventy five by other esteemed coaches.
If the 5's are allowed to go pro out of high school the high 4's will get the offers. The only way to somewhat control the illegal payments is strict investigation of the problem with the head coach responsible even if there is no evidence of his involvement . Immediate firing and substantial fine for the school.
The current coaches of the elite programs have been cheating for so long and they know each other is doing it that it is probably impossible to totally stop it but if one of them gets caught and gets fired instead of losing a scholarship or two perhaps it can be controlled.
Paying a monthly stipend to these elite recruits will do nothing.[/quote]

I agree that the stipend does nothing to deter cheating. The point of a stipend is that the players deserve compensation above the scholarship. The well funded enforcement is what is lacking right now. This has to be implemented along with compensating the players for the excessive time they put into their development.[/quote]

They are currently allowed legitimate compensation above the scholarship. They pay for nothing NADA while the Toxicology major at St. John's has to work nights and weekends at CVS. Ninety nine % of college basketball players (students) have no professional capabilities whatsoever. All of this bullshit about paying players is about the 1 per cent that shoe companies want to invest in so they market their brand when they get to the NBA. This is the only country in the world that has commercialized two college sports to the point of corruption. Let the 5 star players go pro at 17 or 18 and hold the NBA Players union responsible for the current state of affairs. The college baseball lacrosse, and soccer players put in just as much time for their sports, both men and women, so why should we cater to that 1 % that doesn't even want to be in college in the first place. ??[/quote]

Agreed. Its pretty simple: A kid either wants to go to college or he wants to go pro. It should be his choice. He shouldn't be forced to go to college for a year. Just like baseball. If he goes to college he gets tuition, room and board and plenty of other perks(tutors, etc) in return for playing a sport. Damn, sounds like a pretty good deal to me.[/quote]

Some good points made throughout this thread but there seems to be a misconception on about what non-revenue sport ahtlete gets in terms of scholarshipshttp://www.scholarshipstats.com/ncaalimits.html. Below are Men D1 sports and the number of scholarships allowed per sport.

Baseball - 11.7
Basketball - 13 (Head Count)
Bowling - 0
Cross Country (NCAA limits include Track & Field) - 12.6
Fencing - 4.5
Football (FBS) - 85 (Head Count)
Football (FCS) - 63
Golf - 4.5
Gymnastics - 6.3
Ice Hockey - 18
Lacrosse - 12.6
Rifle (Includes women on co-ed team) - 3.6
Skiing - 6.3
Soccer - 9.9
Swimming & Diving - 9.9
Tennis - 4.5
Track & Field -(includes X-Country) - 12.6
Triathlon - 0
Volleyball - 4.5
Water Polo - 4.5
Wrestling - 9.9

Note that basketball and football (FBS) are not allowed to split scholarships. The other sports can and basically have to in order to field full teams. It is rare for athletes in these "non-revenue" sports to get full athletic scholarships due of the numbers. Some are able to get academic scholarships, Pell and other grants to help make up for shortfalls in tuition, room & board. Many do not however. As for stipends, they have nothing to do with the number of scholarships you get for a sport.
 
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[quote="SJU85" post=273971][quote="Monte" post=273836][quote="Class of 72" post=273822][quote="OLV72" post=273768][quote="Enright" post=273766]Paying the players could alleviate the corruption somewhat but the only solution is enormous penalties. Officials are talking about a thousand a month stipend but Pitino, Cal etc are paying a hundred thousand and if Pitino paid Bowen a hundred that means there were probably offers of fifty and seventy five by other esteemed coaches.
If the 5's are allowed to go pro out of high school the high 4's will get the offers. The only way to somewhat control the illegal payments is strict investigation of the problem with the head coach responsible even if there is no evidence of his involvement . Immediate firing and substantial fine for the school.
The current coaches of the elite programs have been cheating for so long and they know each other is doing it that it is probably impossible to totally stop it but if one of them gets caught and gets fired instead of losing a scholarship or two perhaps it can be controlled.
Paying a monthly stipend to these elite recruits will do nothing.[/quote]

I agree that the stipend does nothing to deter cheating. The point of a stipend is that the players deserve compensation above the scholarship. The well funded enforcement is what is lacking right now. This has to be implemented along with compensating the players for the excessive time they put into their development.[/quote]

They are currently allowed legitimate compensation above the scholarship. They pay for nothing NADA while the Toxicology major at St. John's has to work nights and weekends at CVS. Ninety nine % of college basketball players (students) have no professional capabilities whatsoever. All of this bullshit about paying players is about the 1 per cent that shoe companies want to invest in so they market their brand when they get to the NBA. This is the only country in the world that has commercialized two college sports to the point of corruption. Let the 5 star players go pro at 17 or 18 and hold the NBA Players union responsible for the current state of affairs. The college baseball lacrosse, and soccer players put in just as much time for their sports, both men and women, so why should we cater to that 1 % that doesn't even want to be in college in the first place. ??[/quote]

Agreed. Its pretty simple: A kid either wants to go to college or he wants to go pro. It should be his choice. He shouldn't be forced to go to college for a year. Just like baseball. If he goes to college he gets tuition, room and board and plenty of other perks(tutors, etc) in return for playing a sport. Damn, sounds like a pretty good deal to me.[/quote]

Some good points made throughout this thread but there seems to be a misconception on about what non-revenue sport ahtlete gets in terms of scholarshipshttp://www.scholarshipstats.com/ncaalimits.html. Below are Men D1 sports and the number of scholarships allowed per sport.

Baseball - 11.7
Basketball - 13 (Head Count)
Bowling - 0
Cross Country (NCAA limits include Track & Field) - 12.6
Fencing - 4.5
Football (FBS) - 85 (Head Count)
Football (FCS) - 63
Golf - 4.5
Gymnastics - 6.3
Ice Hockey - 18
Lacrosse - 12.6
Rifle (Includes women on co-ed team) - 3.6
Skiing - 6.3
Soccer - 9.9
Swimming & Diving - 9.9
Tennis - 4.5
Track & Field -(includes X-Country) - 12.6
Triathlon - 0
Volleyball - 4.5
Water Polo - 4.5
Wrestling - 9.9

Note that basketball and football (FBS) are not allowed to split scholarships. The other sports can and basically have to in order to field full teams. It is rare for athletes in these "non-revenue" sports to get full athletic scholarships due of the numbers. Some are able to get academic scholarships, Pell and other grants to help make up for shortfalls in tuition, room & board. Many do not however. As for stipends, they have nothing to do with the number of scholarships you get for a sport.[/quote]

Thanks for great info SJU85. Not sure about anyone else, but I was specifically talking about basketball.
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=274005]Bowling - 0
Triathlon -0

This really pissed me off!

For that matter, why don't we have a bocce team?[/quote]

Forget bocce, imagine how many kids from our old hoods would have gone to college if they knew they could be involved in fencing?
 
I know Monte but some mentioned other sports as if it was comparable in terms of scholarships and it is not.
 
[quote="SJU85" post=274019]I know Monte but some mentioned other sports as if it was comparable in terms of scholarships and it is not.[/quote]

No one said they were comparable in terms of scholarships. Football and basketball, the revenue sports, get fully funded teams as expected. What is comparable is the time and hard work student athletes in other sports have to do in order to compete. All without the under table bonuses and other payments that football and basketball players expect and get.
 
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