FBI found major violations...

[quote="SJU14" post=273465][quote="Boo Harvey" post=273463]What do you mean “every Lavin recruit has been mentioned in the scandal?” The link you posted was from a survey conducted in 2012 and is devoid of a single fact.[/quote]

Basically every Lavin recruit. And facts or not, where there’s smoke there’s fire. That article wasn’t written for fun without some knowledge behind it.[/quote] weren't those players just about every big coaches recruit too ?
 
[quote="RedStormRising2" post=273466][quote="Boo Harvey" post=273463]What do you mean “every Lavin recruit has been mentioned in the scandal?” The link you posted was from a survey conducted in 2012 and is devoid of a single fact.[/quote]

He just means "I don't like Lavin."[/quote]

I actually liked Lavin until his last year when he didn’t give any effort. Don’t be surprised to come back and haunt us soon.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=273468][quote="SJU14" post=273465][quote="Boo Harvey" post=273463]What do you mean “every Lavin recruit has been mentioned in the scandal?” The link you posted was from a survey conducted in 2012 and is devoid of a single fact.[/quote]

Basically every Lavin recruit. And facts or not, where there’s smoke there’s fire. That article wasn’t written for fun without some knowledge behind it.[/quote] weren't those players just about every big coaches recruit too ?[/quote]

Yes they were, and look where that has gotten just about every big coach.

Alkins: UA is going down hard right now

Briscoe: UK mentioned today and Cal doesn’t have a great reputation.

Whitehead: We all saw what was released today

Kyle Anderson: Also mentioned in a report today.
 
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[quote="SJU14" post=273470][quote="mjmaherjr" post=273468][quote="SJU14" post=273465][quote="Boo Harvey" post=273463]What do you mean “every Lavin recruit has been mentioned in the scandal?” The link you posted was from a survey conducted in 2012 and is devoid of a single fact.[/quote]

Basically every Lavin recruit. And facts or not, where there’s smoke there’s fire. That article wasn’t written for fun without some knowledge behind it.[/quote] weren't those players just about every big coaches recruit too ?[/quote]

Yes they were, and look where that has gotten just about every big coach.

Alkins: UA is going down hard right now

Briscoe: UK mentioned today and Cal doesn’t have a great reputation.

Whitehead: We all saw what was released today

Kyle Anderson: Also mentioned in a report today.[/quote] that actually makes me feel better about SJU
 
FBI has wiretaps of conversations between Arizona's Sean Miller and Christian Dawkins, in which Miller talks about paying $100,000 to a recruit


 
I'm actually shocked about Miller. I'm not shocked that cheating has occurred at Arizona, but I figured it was cheating from the past that got the program rolling and that he was simply maintaining it.

I assume if Book got fired, then Miller has to be too?
 
Unfortunately, this is the way the world works when it comes to playing by the rules or out of bounds in order to acquire talent that brings value to an entity. For each school, millions of dollars are at stake, and for D1 basketball billions in the aggregate. Lose and you lose your job (see Mahoney, Roberts). Fail to win enough (see Jarvis, Lavin) and you lose your job. The most important thing is talent.

In the real world, where we don't pretend that talent are students, companies like Google pay more and provide enormous amenities to acquire the very best talent. That talent is often highly educated at the very best schools. The pool of athletic basketball talent often comes from impoverished backgrounds, and what they can get out of the recruiting process is likely more than their families have ever seen. The system is ripe for corruption, and the NCAA looks the other way whenever it can, or at best their eyes are fixated on the billions their schools are raking in.

The only way this will ever end is to end the charade of student athlete. This way fans like ours won't be wishing for an injured athlete to return, only to discover that without playing he had zero interest in registering for classes.

Perhaps the greatest violation of all are gifted college athletes filling arenas and attracting millions in TV contracts are rewarded with 4 years of tuition room and board. Awesome.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=273486]Unfortunately, this is the way the world works when it comes to playing by the rules or out of bounds in order to acquire talent that brings value to an entity. For each school, millions of dollars are at stake, and for D1 basketball billions in the aggregate. Lose and you lose your job (see Mahoney, Roberts). Fail to win enough (see Jarvis, Lavin) and you lose your job. The most important thing is talent.

In the real world, where we don't pretend that talent are students, companies like Google pay more and provide enormous amenities to acquire the very best talent. That talent is often highly educated at the very best schools. The pool of athletic basketball talent often comes from impoverished backgrounds, and what they can get out of the recruiting process is likely more than their families have ever seen. The system is ripe for corruption, and the NCAA looks the other way whenever it can, or at best their eyes are fixated on the billions their schools are raking in.

The only way this will ever end is to end the charade of student athlete. This way fans like ours won't be wishing for an injured athlete to return, only to discover that without playing he had zero interest in registering for classes.

Perhaps the greatest violation of all are gifted college athletes filling arenas and attracting millions in TV contracts are rewarded with 4 years of tuition room and board. Awesome.[/quote]

Wonder why these same gifted athletes are not able to fill arenas in that D league or whatever it is called these days.
 
[quote="OLV72" post=273673][quote="Beast of the East" post=273486]Unfortunately, this is the way the world works when it comes to playing by the rules or out of bounds in order to acquire talent that brings value to an entity. For each school, millions of dollars are at stake, and for D1 basketball billions in the aggregate. Lose and you lose your job (see Mahoney, Roberts). Fail to win enough (see Jarvis, Lavin) and you lose your job. The most important thing is talent.

In the real world, where we don't pretend that talent are students, companies like Google pay more and provide enormous amenities to acquire the very best talent. That talent is often highly educated at the very best schools. The pool of athletic basketball talent often comes from impoverished backgrounds, and what they can get out of the recruiting process is likely more than their families have ever seen. The system is ripe for corruption, and the NCAA looks the other way whenever it can, or at best their eyes are fixated on the billions their schools are raking in.

The only way this will ever end is to end the charade of student athlete. This way fans like ours won't be wishing for an injured athlete to return, only to discover that without playing he had zero interest in registering for classes.

Perhaps the greatest violation of all are gifted college athletes filling arenas and attracting millions in TV contracts are rewarded with 4 years of tuition room and board. Awesome.[/quote]

Wonder why these same gifted athletes are not able to fill arenas in that D league or whatever it is called these days.[/quote]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the NBA change the 19 year old minimum age rule soon. Many of the 5 star players would never set foot on a college campus. Once that happens 4 star players will become a hot commodity but very few would be 1 and 1 talents and that would help the college game.
 
I love the title of this thread! FBI found major violations. As a result, Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina and Arizona will forfeit one scholarship according to the NCAA. Seton Hall will be banned from post season for two years and will lose 4 scholarships and Northern Kentucky will get the death penalty.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=273675][quote="OLV72" post=273673][quote="Beast of the East" post=273486]Unfortunately, this is the way the world works when it comes to playing by the rules or out of bounds in order to acquire talent that brings value to an entity. For each school, millions of dollars are at stake, and for D1 basketball billions in the aggregate. Lose and you lose your job (see Mahoney, Roberts). Fail to win enough (see Jarvis, Lavin) and you lose your job. The most important thing is talent.

In the real world, where we don't pretend that talent are students, companies like Google pay more and provide enormous amenities to acquire the very best talent. That talent is often highly educated at the very best schools. The pool of athletic basketball talent often comes from impoverished backgrounds, and what they can get out of the recruiting process is likely more than their families have ever seen. The system is ripe for corruption, and the NCAA looks the other way whenever it can, or at best their eyes are fixated on the billions their schools are raking in.

The only way this will ever end is to end the charade of student athlete. This way fans like ours won't be wishing for an injured athlete to return, only to discover that without playing he had zero interest in registering for classes.

Perhaps the greatest violation of all are gifted college athletes filling arenas and attracting millions in TV contracts are rewarded with 4 years of tuition room and board. Awesome.[/quote]

Wonder why these same gifted athletes are not able to fill arenas in that D league or whatever it is called these days.[/quote]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the NBA change the 19 year old minimum age rule soon. Many of the 5 star players would never set foot on a college campus. Once that happens 4 star players will become a hot commodity but very few would be 1 and 1 talents and that would help the college game.[/quote]

Agree. Let the top 20 kids go straight to the pro leagues. The college game will still attract millions without them. The talent rich D league will continue to attract 300 fans a game and those players will get their salaries from the revenues flowing into that league.
 
[quote="OLV72" post=273673][quote="Beast of the East" post=273486]Unfortunately, this is the way the world works when it comes to playing by the rules or out of bounds in order to acquire talent that brings value to an entity. For each school, millions of dollars are at stake, and for D1 basketball billions in the aggregate. Lose and you lose your job (see Mahoney, Roberts). Fail to win enough (see Jarvis, Lavin) and you lose your job. The most important thing is talent.

In the real world, where we don't pretend that talent are students, companies like Google pay more and provide enormous amenities to acquire the very best talent. That talent is often highly educated at the very best schools. The pool of athletic basketball talent often comes from impoverished backgrounds, and what they can get out of the recruiting process is likely more than their families have ever seen. The system is ripe for corruption, and the NCAA looks the other way whenever it can, or at best their eyes are fixated on the billions their schools are raking in.

The only way this will ever end is to end the charade of student athlete. This way fans like ours won't be wishing for an injured athlete to return, only to discover that without playing he had zero interest in registering for classes.

Perhaps the greatest violation of all are gifted college athletes filling arenas and attracting millions in TV contracts are rewarded with 4 years of tuition room and board. Awesome.[/quote]

Wonder why these same gifted athletes are not able to fill arenas in that D league or whatever it is called these days.[/quote]

Why? Because students, alumni, and fans of college programs buy into the notion that these are "our guys". It's no small concept, one that fuels incredible interest watching the best 18-21 year old compete on what is often a very large stage.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=273728][quote="OLV72" post=273673][quote="Beast of the East" post=273486]Unfortunately, this is the way the world works when it comes to playing by the rules or out of bounds in order to acquire talent that brings value to an entity. For each school, millions of dollars are at stake, and for D1 basketball billions in the aggregate. Lose and you lose your job (see Mahoney, Roberts). Fail to win enough (see Jarvis, Lavin) and you lose your job. The most important thing is talent.

In the real world, where we don't pretend that talent are students, companies like Google pay more and provide enormous amenities to acquire the very best talent. That talent is often highly educated at the very best schools. The pool of athletic basketball talent often comes from impoverished backgrounds, and what they can get out of the recruiting process is likely more than their families have ever seen. The system is ripe for corruption, and the NCAA looks the other way whenever it can, or at best their eyes are fixated on the billions their schools are raking in.

The only way this will ever end is to end the charade of student athlete. This way fans like ours won't be wishing for an injured athlete to return, only to discover that without playing he had zero interest in registering for classes.

Perhaps the greatest violation of all are gifted college athletes filling arenas and attracting millions in TV contracts are rewarded with 4 years of tuition room and board. Awesome.[/quote]

Wonder why these same gifted athletes are not able to fill arenas in that D league or whatever it is called these days.[/quote]

Why? Because students, alumni, and fans of college programs buy into the notion that these are "our guys". It's no small concept, one that fuels incredible interest watching the best 18-21 year old compete on what is often a very large stage.[/quote]

So when you remove the very top players and most wind up playing in the D league they draw 1000 people to a game. They get their contracts from the NBA, D league or overseas and are paid based on their worth.

Fans of colleges continue to follow their teams in the same numbers without the top 20 players in each class.

What is the value of the name on the front of the jersey versus the name on the back? I'd say 99 to maybe one.

Pay the scholarship athletes a decent and escalating (based on years of service) stipend on top of their scholarships for the time they put into practice and develpment, and for foregoing working while earning degrees. Take some of that TV money from each conference and spend a $100mm for a real Compliance Unit that oversees the schools and programs. Slam and suspend any schools that still cheat and pay kids more than the stipend.
 
The issue with paying college athletes is that the best players will go to the highest bidder. Texas, UNC, Notre Dame, Duke, and tons of other major universities with way more money than Big East schools will buy all the top 150 talent. We'd essentially be left with the 2 stars and barely 3 star players. Sure we would have more spending power than MAAC schools, but the F5 conferences would all be able to pay way more than us. Our endowment is $647 million or so. Even lower F5 schools have well over billions in endowment just to put it in perspective. Some over $10 billion. The fallout from that would likely mean that there's a split between the F5 conferences and everyone else and we would not be included. Not sure why any fan of a Big East program would be willing to go that route. I suppose you could place a limit to even the playing field, but even still you'd have other programs secretly paying more. It's a mess.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=273763]The issue with paying college athletes is that the best players will go to the highest bidder. Texas, UNC, Notre Dame, Duke, and tons of other major universities with way more money than Big East schools will buy all the top 150 talent. We'd essentially be left with the 2 stars and barely 3 star players. Sure we would have more spending power than MAAC schools, but the F5 conferences would all be able to pay way more than us. Our endowment is $647 million or so. Even lower F5 schools have well over billions in endowment just to put it in perspective. Some over $10 billion. The fallout from that would likely mean that there's a split between the F5 conferences and everyone else and we would not be included. Not sure why any fan of a Big East program would be willing to go that route. I suppose you could place a limit to even the playing field, but even still you'd have other programs secretly paying more. It's a mess.[/quote]

Place a cap on the stipend.
 
The top schools already get the best talent.... the top team standings would not dramatically change.
 
Paying the players could alleviate the corruption somewhat but the only solution is enormous penalties. Officials are talking about a thousand a month stipend but Pitino, Cal etc are paying a hundred thousand and if Pitino paid Bowen a hundred that means there were probably offers of fifty and seventy five by other esteemed coaches.
If the 5's are allowed to go pro out of high school the high 4's will get the offers. The only way to somewhat control the illegal payments is strict investigation of the problem with the head coach responsible even if there is no evidence of his involvement . Immediate firing and substantial fine for the school.
The current coaches of the elite programs have been cheating for so long and they know each other is doing it that it is probably impossible to totally stop it but if one of them gets caught and gets fired instead of losing a scholarship or two perhaps it can be controlled.
Paying a monthly stipend to these elite recruits will do nothing.
 
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