Duke or Syracuse ?

Down does Arizona

I was up in Berkeley before the game and the atmosphere was electric. Went home and found the game on a channel blacked out on my Comcast package. I should have just stayed up there and watched in a bar.
 
Down does Arizona

I was up in Berkeley before the game and the atmosphere was electric. Went home and found the game on a channel blacked out on my Comcast package. I should have just stayed up there and watched in a bar.


I took Arizona -4. I did it knowing that Cal is the type of team that can beat or lose to anyone any night. Oh well. At least Creighton gets an RPI boost for its easy win over Cal. That will help us indirectly.
 
Didn't Duke hit something like 16 3s against it?
It's a very lazy defense. Teaches bad tendencies.

98,

I respect your opinion and recognize that your response is the accepted talking point but having seen Boeheim's 2/3 I can't understand how you can call his defense "lazy".

The 2/3 or like zone played in school yards, CYO, or most high schools may be termed "lazy" but my Syracuse friends smile every season as Boeheim and company win over the teams that play that non lazy man to man defense.

otis,

It's not my opinion.

Here's a great article with quotes from former Cuse players. Excellent read BTW.

http://www.dailyorange.com/2014/01/arrested-development/

Former SU players didn’t attribute their professional inadequacy to the zone, but did say there are adjustments to make in the pros — challenging adjustments that no other rising players have to make.

“I don’t think playing zone hurts your ability to play man-to-man but it doesn’t help,” Triche said in an email. “Playing zone can hide some deficiencies as a defender.”

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"We are just more technical with the fundamentals of the zone more than man-to-man. I personally wish I was able to practice man-to-man more. It’s a different focus and it doesn’t come as easy to me as it may come to others."
Brandon Triche
 
The 2-3, or most zones for that matter, also can make it tough to run. Teams use the whole shot clock against you on possesion after possesion. So if you're a team that wants the score to be in the 80s+, it's hard to do that if the opponent is taking 35 seconds every possesion.
Also, as others have pointed out, it makes rebounding more of a challenge.

That said I love the 2-3. There are only a handful of teams in the whole country that I think will consistently beat you from behind the arc (duke and creighton being 2).
 
As a side note to the attendance record of 35,000+ beating the last Gtown game by a few hundred, St John's is among the top schools with
7 plus games at the Dome with over 30K+ , sadly the last one was in 1990.
 
Was it just me or did Boeheim's post game quotes annoy you also.

He exclaimed that it was the greatest game ever in the Carrier Dome and how excited he is looking forward to be playing in this conference.
 
Was it just me or did Boeheim's post game quotes annoy you also.

He exclaimed that it was the greatest game ever in the Carrier Dome and how excited he is looking forward to be playing in this conference.

He is annoying to begin with, but expressing a positive about ACC is fine. What do you expect him to say? He is putting Big East behind him and being politically correct. Perhaps we should put Syracuse & ACC in our rear view mirror and concentrate on becoming a force in our own conference.
 
Was it just me or did Boeheim's post game quotes annoy you also.

He exclaimed that it was the greatest game ever in the Carrier Dome and how excited he is looking forward to be playing in this conference.

I bet Hopkins is not thrilled with the idea that Boeheim is looking forward to many more years of staying as coach.
 
Was at the game last night. Cant believe I was rooting for duke, would have liked both teams to lose but what I really wanted was to see was 35,000 tears walking out. Never seen Duke get the short end of the stick on foul calls like they did yesterday. Crazy atmosphere, and an outstanding game. The whole crowd (from what I saw) stood the whole game.
 
Was at the game last night. Cant believe I was rooting for duke, would have liked both teams to lose but what I really wanted was to see was 35,000 tears walking out. Never seen Duke get the short end of the stick on foul calls like they did yesterday. Crazy atmosphere, and an outstanding game. The whole crowd (from what I saw) stood the whole game.

the non call on the attempted dunk by Duke late in the game was a blatant example. OF the major sports, I think basketball refereeing is the most questionable in terms of accuracy.
 
Was it just me or did Boeheim's post game quotes annoy you also.

He exclaimed that it was the greatest game ever in the Carrier Dome and how excited he is looking forward to be playing in this conference.

He is annoying to begin with, but expressing a positive about ACC is fine. What do you expect him to say? He is putting Big East behind him and being politically correct. Perhaps we should put Syracuse & ACC in our rear view mirror and concentrate on becoming a force in our own conference.

Although following Syracuse's close win over PItt a couple of weeks ago, Boeheim was quoted as saying, "Forget ACC. This was a Big East game." That said, I agree with Paultzman, let's put Syracuse in our rear view mirror ... something that will be a lot easier to do once Boeheim retires (the sooner, the better).
 
Was it just me or did Boeheim's post game quotes annoy you also.

He exclaimed that it was the greatest game ever in the Carrier Dome and how excited he is looking forward to be playing in this conference.

He is annoying to begin with, but expressing a positive about ACC is fine. What do you expect him to say? He is putting Big East behind him and being politically correct. Perhaps we should put Syracuse & ACC in our rear view mirror and concentrate on becoming a force in our own conference.

As long as they are on our schedule annually, just like they were in our league, and ranked ahead of us, and pack the Garden with their fans while our fans stay home not wanting to see us lose, if you look in your rear view mirror, you won't see them because they are in front of us.

The mere fact that there are over 50 posts about an ACC game on Redmen.com is evidence enough of that.

That being said, Boeheim speaking to a national audience, could have been a little more gracious towards the great Big East battles his teams have played in that building over the last 20 years. I'm pretty sure that it was in the moment, because he is usually more gracious off the court than on.
 
Was it just me or did Boeheim's post game quotes annoy you also.

He exclaimed that it was the greatest game ever in the Carrier Dome and how excited he is looking forward to be playing in this conference.

He is annoying to begin with, but expressing a positive about ACC is fine. What do you expect him to say? He is putting Big East behind him and being politically correct. Perhaps we should put Syracuse & ACC in our rear view mirror and concentrate on becoming a force in our own conference.

As long as they are on our schedule annually, just like they were in our league, and ranked ahead of us, and pack the Garden with their fans while our fans stay home not wanting to see us lose, if you look in your rear view mirror, you won't see them because they are in front of us.

The mere fact that there are over 50 posts about an ACC game on Redmen.com is evidence enough of that.

That being said, Boeheim speaking to a national audience, could have been a little more gracious towards the great Big East battles his teams have played in that building over the last 20 years. I'm pretty sure that it was in the moment, because he is usually more gracious off the court than on.

Stop living in the past. It is what it is. Let's go forward.
 
Was it just me or did Boeheim's post game quotes annoy you also.

He exclaimed that it was the greatest game ever in the Carrier Dome and how excited he is looking forward to be playing in this conference.

He is annoying to begin with, but expressing a positive about ACC is fine. What do you expect him to say? He is putting Big East behind him and being politically correct. Perhaps we should put Syracuse & ACC in our rear view mirror and concentrate on becoming a force in our own conference.

As long as they are on our schedule annually, just like they were in our league, and ranked ahead of us, and pack the Garden with their fans while our fans stay home not wanting to see us lose, if you look in your rear view mirror, you won't see them because they are in front of us.

The mere fact that there are over 50 posts about an ACC game on Redmen.com is evidence enough of that.

That being said, Boeheim speaking to a national audience, could have been a little more gracious towards the great Big East battles his teams have played in that building over the last 20 years. I'm pretty sure that it was in the moment, because he is usually more gracious off the court than on.

Stop living in the past. It is what it is. Let's go forward.

Do you come to the Garden for Syracuse, or not?
 
Was it just me or did Boeheim's post game quotes annoy you also.

He exclaimed that it was the greatest game ever in the Carrier Dome and how excited he is looking forward to be playing in this conference.

He is annoying to begin with, but expressing a positive about ACC is fine. What do you expect him to say? He is putting Big East behind him and being politically correct. Perhaps we should put Syracuse & ACC in our rear view mirror and concentrate on becoming a force in our own conference.

As long as they are on our schedule annually, just like they were in our league, and ranked ahead of us, and pack the Garden with their fans while our fans stay home not wanting to see us lose, if you look in your rear view mirror, you won't see them because they are in front of us.

The mere fact that there are over 50 posts about an ACC game on Redmen.com is evidence enough of that.

That being said, Boeheim speaking to a national audience, could have been a little more gracious towards the great Big East battles his teams have played in that building over the last 20 years. I'm pretty sure that it was in the moment, because he is usually more gracious off the court than on.

Stop living in the past. It is what it is. Let's go forward.

Do you come to the Garden for Syracuse, or not?

Are you an attendance monitor? Who cares what Jim B has to say?
 
Was it just me or did Boeheim's post game quotes annoy you also.

He exclaimed that it was the greatest game ever in the Carrier Dome and how excited he is looking forward to be playing in this conference.

He is annoying to begin with, but expressing a positive about ACC is fine. What do you expect him to say? He is putting Big East behind him and being politically correct. Perhaps we should put Syracuse & ACC in our rear view mirror and concentrate on becoming a force in our own conference.

As long as they are on our schedule annually, just like they were in our league, and ranked ahead of us, and pack the Garden with their fans while our fans stay home not wanting to see us lose, if you look in your rear view mirror, you won't see them because they are in front of us.

The mere fact that there are over 50 posts about an ACC game on Redmen.com is evidence enough of that.

That being said, Boeheim speaking to a national audience, could have been a little more gracious towards the great Big East battles his teams have played in that building over the last 20 years. I'm pretty sure that it was in the moment, because he is usually more gracious off the court than on.

Stop living in the past. It is what it is. Let's go forward.

Do you come to the Garden for Syracuse, or not?

Are you an attendance monitor? Who cares what Jim B has to say?

I'm guessing not. Before the season, the number one game that our posters indicated as the game they circled on their schedule was Syracuse. Then as the game approached, some of our "fans" sold their tickets on Stubhub, and even more stayed home.

If you must know, I posted that I would be rooting for Syracuse. They have a great program, and draw a ton of NYC students.

If you don't think they are worth discussing, ignore this thread.
 
Was it just me or did Boeheim's post game quotes annoy you also.

He exclaimed that it was the greatest game ever in the Carrier Dome and how excited he is looking forward to be playing in this conference.

He is annoying to begin with, but expressing a positive about ACC is fine. What do you expect him to say? He is putting Big East behind him and being politically correct. Perhaps we should put Syracuse & ACC in our rear view mirror and concentrate on becoming a force in our own conference.

As long as they are on our schedule annually, just like they were in our league, and ranked ahead of us, and pack the Garden with their fans while our fans stay home not wanting to see us lose, if you look in your rear view mirror, you won't see them because they are in front of us.

The mere fact that there are over 50 posts about an ACC game on Redmen.com is evidence enough of that.

That being said, Boeheim speaking to a national audience, could have been a little more gracious towards the great Big East battles his teams have played in that building over the last 20 years. I'm pretty sure that it was in the moment, because he is usually more gracious off the court than on.

Stop living in the past. It is what it is. Let's go forward.

Do you come to the Garden for Syracuse, or not?

Are you an attendance monitor? Who cares what Jim B has to say?

I'm guessing not. Before the season, the number one game that our posters indicated as the game they circled on their schedule was Syracuse. Then as the game approached, some of our "fans" sold their tickets on Stubhub, and even more stayed home.

If you must know, I posted that I would be rooting for Syracuse. They have a great program, and draw a ton of NYC students.

If you don't think they are worth discussing, ignore this thread.

Enjoy playing and competing with Syracuse, respect Jim B for what he has accomplished and derive little interest in nonsense about his post game comments after a tough win over Duke. I am sure he respects and values his time in the Big East. Btw, am a season ticket holder to dispel your notion of my non attendance for Cuse games.
 
sooooo Duke loses to Cuse when they were ranked #17 and gets rewarded with a ranking of #11? HUH?????????

They did have a big win @ Pitt earlier in the week, but agree nonetheless. Hopefully the demon deacons takes them tonight
 
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