Dominic Artis, Oregon Transfer

I see a lot of posters assuming Lavin brought him on campus, "kicked the tires", and decided not to pursue him. Based on the course of events it seems equally likely that the coach was simply told by the AD or new pres, to stop recruiting this player.
My money would certainly be on the latter scenario.
 
I see a lot of posters assuming Lavin brought him on campus, "kicked the tires", and decided not to pursue him. Based on the course of events it seems equally likely that the coach was simply told by the AD or new pres, to stop recruiting this player.
My money would certainly be on the latter scenario.

I that is the fairly obvious order of events.
 
I'm not sure who will take him right off the bat. If anything, he should do a year at juco -- not play, just study -- and if he can keep his nose clean, someone will take him. And while he's at it, someone with half a brain in his inner circle should tell him to volunteer at a women's shelter or rape crisis center.

He's too good for D-2 or NAIA, so I think he just needs to lay low for a year and see what happens after that.

Maybe Masiello will be interested. Manhattan is all about redemption these days.
 
I still am not understanding what the big deal here is. College party, a few consenting adults mess around in a bathroom. this shit happens every weekend on college campuses throughout the country, including Catholic Universities. This guy didn't do anything wrong. He was having fun. The girl in question was a willing participant in this. That's quite obvious for her coming back for round 2 the next day. He didn't force her to do anything like a Richie Parker. He wasn't convicted of criminal assault like our very own Keith Thomas. If the dad of this little sloot of a daughter didn't come forward to try and make these kids out to be rapists, Artis and he other 2 would be starting for the Ducks next year. This whole thing is a joke.
 
I'm not sure who will take him right off the bat. If anything, he should do a year at juco -- not play, just study -- and if he can keep his nose clean, someone will take him. And while he's at it, someone with half a brain in his inner circle should tell him to volunteer at a women's shelter or rape crisis center.

He's too good for D-2 or NAIA, so I think he just needs to lay low for a year and see what happens after that.

Maybe Masiello will be interested. Manhattan is all about redemption these days.

So would Kentucky whose coach banged a drunken MILF at his favorite Italian restaurant. BTW, props to the Maven for calling a spade a spade. Staff could not close on any top 2014 targets and they deserve the heat. If they fail to get any early 2015 commits I think this President will move in a different direction unless we go to the NCAA and advance. NIT and the entire staff will be moving back to the west coast.
 
I still am not understanding what the big deal here is. College party, a few consenting adults mess around in a bathroom. this shit happens every weekend on college campuses throughout the country, including Catholic Universities. This guy didn't do anything wrong. He was having fun. The girl in question was a willing participant in this. That's quite obvious for her coming back for round 2 the next day. He didn't force her to do anything like a Richie Parker. He wasn't convicted of criminal assault like our very own Keith Thomas. If the dad of this little sloot of a daughter didn't come forward to try and make these kids out to be rapists, Artis and he other 2 would be starting for the Ducks next year. This whole thing is a joke.

It is about bad PR and not right or wrong. I also think skin color affected the dad's anger. As for the girl, she may have also banged the entire football team but she will always get the benefit of the doubt on any college campus. They are the weaker sex no matter how complicit they are.
 
If he was good enough to play here, then I would have welcomed him to the team with open arms. Is not one of the missions/teachings of the university to show forgiveness? He was a young man who made a mistake (if you consider it a mistake, because no one will ever truly know what happened). Would he give a 'black eye' to the University? Who really knows.....

But did we not have a player suspended last year for punching and starting a scene on a nationally televised game? This was a situation that occurred while the athlete was officially representing the university. That was not considered a black eye for the program. He sat his 1 game (per rules outside of SJU), and that was the end of it.

Was it not 2 years ago that we had to play the final 6 regular season games without Harrison due to a suspension, most of which were televised because we were making a run for an NCAA bid. Every game the announcers brought up the Harrison situation. He was told that he needed to make some changes, and if he did, he would be welcomed back. Well he did what was asked of him, and he is still on the team.

I guess my point is this, if we stopped recruiting the kid because he wasn't good enough for the program, basketball wise...then fine. But if it was due to off the court issues, then the coaches/university is very hypocritical.
 
The attorneys for Artis, Dotson and Austin have released a lengthy statement. It's quite eye-opening.
Here is their statement in its entirety:

No jury would find that Dominic Artis, Brandon Austin or Damyean Dotson committed any form of sexual assault against their accuser. Some people will insist that the University’s suspension is proof that the acts occurred, but they would be wrong. This determination was carved in stone the day the University’s president, in response to a hail of local and national criticism, all but declared these young men guilty and dismissed them from the team. Good political cover, bad principle. It’s absurd to expect that his underlings in the Legal & Student Affairs Departments would deviate from that line.

The process for determining student code violations is not well understood by the general public. There are few safeguards in the process to ensure that evidence is accurately and adequately presented and impartially considered. The University decides what information it will share, it decides what information will be considered, and it sets the ground rules for how information is presented. The University has power to subpoena witnesses; the accused student has none. Our repeated requests to the University to use that power to bring in witnesses to testify on behalf of the accused were ignored.

Perhaps most troubling is the lack of a meaningful opportunity to confront or examine the accuser with the assistance of counsel. The rules specifically forbid attorneys from asking questions of witnesses. Generally, citizens who face the loss of significant property rights or opportunities at the hands of the state are afforded these protections. In the case involving these young men, their requests for those types of safeguards were denied. Testimony from independent guests at the party who witnessed certain behavior, a cab driver who likewise made relevant observations, and witnesses who had information about the accuser’s subsequent statements about these events were not available. All the facts did not come out. These three young men were denied impartial justice.

So what are the facts?

The accuser went to a late night party in early March. The three young men were already present. Her interest in one of these men was immediate and obvious. She was flirtatious and chatty, and she began dancing suggestively for him. She rubbed her buttocks against him. She disappeared into another room twice with the young men. There was no verbal or physical force applied in any respect. She complained to no one at the party that she was being forced into anything. When another female student entered the room, the accuser and two of the male students were (she noted) fully clothed, chatting comfortably. The presence of that woman made the accuser uncomfortable, and she left the room of her own volition. She returned to the room on her own and expressly told the second woman to stay out. While in the room with the men (first with two and then with three of them), she initiated and engaged in sexual contact with them. Her demeanor for the most part that evening was laughing, chatting and flirting. She seemed enthusiastically impressed with meeting these basketball players.

The accuser’s claim of coercion breaks down completely as the party ended that night. Her friends had arranged for a ride home but the accuser refused to go with them, even after they told her (unnecessarily, given the fact that she had already been involved in sexual activity with the young men on two occasions during the party) that they only wanted her for sex. She opted for the cab ride with the young men, climbed in and sat on one of the male’s lap. The cab driver described the conversation as lighthearted and talking about sports. He described the accuser as seeming very impressed and “excited to be hanging out with U of O basketball players”.

It’s difficult to reconcile the foregoing account with the accuser’s subsequent claims that she was raped and sexually assaulted on two separate instances at the party prior to getting into the cab. Some skepticism of the foregoing account would be understandable if the source of the information was the three young men. However, all of the above information comes from other guests at the party, the accuser’s friends, the cab driver and the accuser’s own descriptions

The night was not over at that point. The group reached one of the young men’s apartment. The accuser asked for something more comfortable to wear and changed clothes. She asked for a hair tie. The sexual activity continued. All agree that at one point during sexual activity, the accuser began to tear up. All sexual activity stopped at that point. One of the young men consoled her, asking what was wrong. All the young men seemed surprised at her reaction.

Again, some skepticism would be understandable if this description came solely from the three young men. However, the accuser herself told the investigator “They seemed honestly like ‘why are you crying,’ they were honestly surprised.” They were honestly surprised. They were honestly surprised because she had willingly initiated and participated in sex with them throughout the evening.

The young woman spent the night with one of the men and had consensual sex with him the next morning, a fact she omitted when speaking with her father and two police detectives during initial police interviews. When police were advised by one of the two young men who cooperated completely with the police investigation that this activity had occurred, the officer returned to ask the accuser if this was true.

At that point, she reluctantly admitted it was This young woman received a text message the morning after from another female party guest who had seen her get into the cab with the young men. When asked how her night had gone, the accuser texted back, “Very interesting. Ha ha.” It’s hard to see this description of an alleged rape as anything other than flippant.”

One of her friends noted that when the accuser first told her about her sexual experience that night, the accuser made no reference or claim of any coercion or force. This friend told authorities that she thought it was unusual that a day later the story changed to rape.

The accuser’s claim that she was too drunk to resist the advances of the young men are likewise irreconcilable with the facts presented by two of her own acquaintances. They describe her consumption of modest amounts of alcohol earlier in the evening. Neither of the two noted any indication of visible intoxication.

All of this information is completely consistent with the three young men’s statements. They have repeatedly and consistently said that she was a willing participant and that she initiated some of the sexual activity.

Why did she make these claims?

The accuser left the party with the young men in a public way and with knowledge of what was going to happen. She left with the young men against the advice of her friends who also knew was going to happen. When she shared details of her sexual exploits with a friend the next day, she realized that her conduct did not meet with universal approval. Text messages between the friends bear this out. Now shamed and embarrassed, she had to turn the story around to reclaim her dignity. And she did so at the expense of three young men.

The inconvenient truth is that the only evidence that this young woman was coerced or intoxicated comes solely from her. Her claims are contradicted either directly or indirectly by every other witness or event that evening.

So why has there been so little interest on the part of the University or its various detractors in determining the truth?

In short, it’s inconvenient. Inconvenient to a University that was in the midst of trumpeting its compliance with Title IX requirements relating to its handling and investigation of complaints of sexual assault. Inconvenient to other factions within the University who were insisting upon changes in how the University dealt with these matters. This event was a vehicle to carry forth those agendas. These factions needed a presumption of guilt rather than innocence to drive their cause.

It is inconvenient for the University to consider the validity of the Lane County District Attorney’s decision not to prosecute this conduct. A decision from a District Attorney who aggressively prosecutes sexual assault and crimes of violence against women, often based on little more than a victim’s claim of assault. When we, as attorneys, learned of the District Attorney’s assessment of the credibility of this accusation, we knew it was significant.

We support firm policies against sexual violence. We want all students on campus to feel safe in their learning environment. But in the rush to judgment in the matter of these three young men, justice was not served. The process the University uses to investigate must include safeguards so that the accused are treated with fairness and impartiality. The points we have made illustrate just some of the many problems within the current system. Problems we hope the University will address as they undertake to re-examine and overhaul their procedures.


http://emvalleysports.com/2014/06/2...s-and-brandon-austin-release-joint-statement/
 
I am really getting a kick out of Maven on twitter bashing lavin on this situation. I do believe there is a lot of blame but the guy doesn't have balls to at least call Lavin out by his twitter handle so Lavin can see this.

I guess he wants to still be able to hang out with him down the road.

I love keyboard tough guys.

That's one of the problems I've had with people on the past via Twitter. They always tag the person when they are saying nice things, but then when they criticize, they don't have the balls to tag the person in the post. It's a joke really.
 
She was drunk, no? That's not in their statement.
You cannot give consent if you are inebriated.

No, they mention several times in the statement that she was NOT drunk. I've underlined the relevant passages, plus a couple other claims made that are very damaging to the accuser. Of course, that's what you'd expect from the players' attorneys. Only the people who were there know the real story.

At the end of the day, the whole thing's a mess and these aren't choirboys we're talking about. But I think it's only fair that the players get their side told--to date, it's been all from the accuser's point of view.



No jury would find that Dominic Artis, Brandon Austin or Damyean Dotson committed any form of sexual assault against their accuser. Some people will insist that the University’s suspension is proof that the acts occurred, but they would be wrong. This determination was carved in stone the day the University’s president, in response to a hail of local and national criticism, all but declared these young men guilty and dismissed them from the team. Good political cover, bad principle. It’s absurd to expect that his underlings in the Legal & Student Affairs Departments would deviate from that line.

The process for determining student code violations is not well understood by the general public. There are few safeguards in the process to ensure that evidence is accurately and adequately presented and impartially considered. The University decides what information it will share, it decides what information will be considered, and it sets the ground rules for how information is presented. The University has power to subpoena witnesses; the accused student has none. Our repeated requests to the University to use that power to bring in witnesses to testify on behalf of the accused were ignored.

Perhaps most troubling is the lack of a meaningful opportunity to confront or examine the accuser with the assistance of counsel. The rules specifically forbid attorneys from asking questions of witnesses. Generally, citizens who face the loss of significant property rights or opportunities at the hands of the state are afforded these protections. In the case involving these young men, their requests for those types of safeguards were denied. Testimony from independent guests at the party who witnessed certain behavior, a cab driver who likewise made relevant observations, and witnesses who had information about the accuser’s subsequent statements about these events were not available. All the facts did not come out. These three young men were denied impartial justice.

So what are the facts?

The accuser went to a late night party in early March. The three young men were already present. Her interest in one of these men was immediate and obvious. She was flirtatious and chatty, and she began dancing suggestively for him. She rubbed her buttocks against him. She disappeared into another room twice with the young men. There was no verbal or physical force applied in any respect. She complained to no one at the party that she was being forced into anything. When another female student entered the room, the accuser and two of the male students were (she noted) fully clothed, chatting comfortably. The presence of that woman made the accuser uncomfortable, and she left the room of her own volition. She returned to the room on her own and expressly told the second woman to stay out. While in the room with the men (first with two and then with three of them), she initiated and engaged in sexual contact with them. Her demeanor for the most part that evening was laughing, chatting and flirting. She seemed enthusiastically impressed with meeting these basketball players.

The accuser’s claim of coercion breaks down completely as the party ended that night. Her friends had arranged for a ride home but the accuser refused to go with them, even after they told her (unnecessarily, given the fact that she had already been involved in sexual activity with the young men on two occasions during the party) that they only wanted her for sex. She opted for the cab ride with the young men, climbed in and sat on one of the male’s lap. The cab driver described the conversation as lighthearted and talking about sports. He described the accuser as seeming very impressed and “excited to be hanging out with U of O basketball players”.

It’s difficult to reconcile the foregoing account with the accuser’s subsequent claims that she was raped and sexually assaulted on two separate instances at the party prior to getting into the cab. Some skepticism of the foregoing account would be understandable if the source of the information was the three young men. However, all of the above information comes from other guests at the party, the accuser’s friends, the cab driver and the accuser’s own descriptions

The night was not over at that point. The group reached one of the young men’s apartment. The accuser asked for something more comfortable to wear and changed clothes. She asked for a hair tie. The sexual activity continued. All agree that at one point during sexual activity, the accuser began to tear up. All sexual activity stopped at that point. One of the young men consoled her, asking what was wrong. All the young men seemed surprised at her reaction.

Again, some skepticism would be understandable if this description came solely from the three young men. However, the accuser herself told the investigator “They seemed honestly like ‘why are you crying,’ they were honestly surprised.” They were honestly surprised. They were honestly surprised because she had willingly initiated and participated in sex with them throughout the evening.

The young woman spent the night with one of the men and had consensual sex with him the next morning, a fact she omitted when speaking with her father and two police detectives during initial police interviews. When police were advised by one of the two young men who cooperated completely with the police investigation that this activity had occurred, the officer returned to ask the accuser if this was true.

At that point, she reluctantly admitted it was This young woman received a text message the morning after from another female party guest who had seen her get into the cab with the young men. When asked how her night had gone, the accuser texted back, “Very interesting. Ha ha.” It’s hard to see this description of an alleged rape as anything other than flippant.”

One of her friends noted that when the accuser first told her about her sexual experience that night, the accuser made no reference or claim of any coercion or force. This friend told authorities that she thought it was unusual that a day later the story changed to rape.

The accuser’s claim that she was too drunk to resist the advances of the young men are likewise irreconcilable with the facts presented by two of her own acquaintances. They describe her consumption of modest amounts of alcohol earlier in the evening. Neither of the two noted any indication of visible intoxication.

All of this information is completely consistent with the three young men’s statements. They have repeatedly and consistently said that she was a willing participant and that she initiated some of the sexual activity.

Why did she make these claims?

The accuser left the party with the young men in a public way and with knowledge of what was going to happen. She left with the young men against the advice of her friends who also knew was going to happen. When she shared details of her sexual exploits with a friend the next day, she realized that her conduct did not meet with universal approval. Text messages between the friends bear this out. Now shamed and embarrassed, she had to turn the story around to reclaim her dignity. And she did so at the expense of three young men.

The inconvenient truth is that the only evidence that this young woman was coerced or intoxicated comes solely from her. Her claims are contradicted either directly or indirectly by every other witness or event that evening.

So why has there been so little interest on the part of the University or its various detractors in determining the truth?

In short, it’s inconvenient. Inconvenient to a University that was in the midst of trumpeting its compliance with Title IX requirements relating to its handling and investigation of complaints of sexual assault. Inconvenient to other factions within the University who were insisting upon changes in how the University dealt with these matters. This event was a vehicle to carry forth those agendas. These factions needed a presumption of guilt rather than innocence to drive their cause.

It is inconvenient for the University to consider the validity of the Lane County District Attorney’s decision not to prosecute this conduct. A decision from a District Attorney who aggressively prosecutes sexual assault and crimes of violence against women, often based on little more than a victim’s claim of assault. When we, as attorneys, learned of the District Attorney’s assessment of the credibility of this accusation, we knew it was significant.

We support firm policies against sexual violence. We want all students on campus to feel safe in their learning environment. But in the rush to judgment in the matter of these three young men, justice was not served. The process the University uses to investigate must include safeguards so that the accused are treated with fairness and impartiality. The points we have made illustrate just some of the many problems within the current system. Problems we hope the University will address as they undertake to re-examine and overhaul their procedures.


emvalleysports.com/2014/06/24/attorneys-...ase-joint-statement/
 
She was drunk, no? That's not in their statement.
You cannot give consent if you are inebriated.

If that's the case, I'm sure every guy on this site has been raped multiple times.

A man can't be raped in NY, but yea, I know what you're getting at. It's all too common.
Either way, gangbangs with a girl who may have been drunk, isn't good PR for the program. And I'm totally with you that the higher ups shut this down.

Find a point guard without the baggage.
 
She was drunk, no? That's not in their statement.
You cannot give consent if you are inebriated.

No, they mention several times in the statement that she was NOT drunk. I've underlined the relevant passages, plus a couple other claims made that are very damaging to the accuser. Of course, that's what you'd expect from the players' attorneys. Only the people who were there know the real story.

At the end of the day, the whole thing's a mess and these aren't choirboys we're talking about. But I think it's only fair that the players get their side told--to date, it's been all from the accuser's point of view.



No jury would find that Dominic Artis, Brandon Austin or Damyean Dotson committed any form of sexual assault against their accuser. Some people will insist that the University’s suspension is proof that the acts occurred, but they would be wrong. This determination was carved in stone the day the University’s president, in response to a hail of local and national criticism, all but declared these young men guilty and dismissed them from the team. Good political cover, bad principle. It’s absurd to expect that his underlings in the Legal & Student Affairs Departments would deviate from that line.

The process for determining student code violations is not well understood by the general public. There are few safeguards in the process to ensure that evidence is accurately and adequately presented and impartially considered. The University decides what information it will share, it decides what information will be considered, and it sets the ground rules for how information is presented. The University has power to subpoena witnesses; the accused student has none. Our repeated requests to the University to use that power to bring in witnesses to testify on behalf of the accused were ignored.

Perhaps most troubling is the lack of a meaningful opportunity to confront or examine the accuser with the assistance of counsel. The rules specifically forbid attorneys from asking questions of witnesses. Generally, citizens who face the loss of significant property rights or opportunities at the hands of the state are afforded these protections. In the case involving these young men, their requests for those types of safeguards were denied. Testimony from independent guests at the party who witnessed certain behavior, a cab driver who likewise made relevant observations, and witnesses who had information about the accuser’s subsequent statements about these events were not available. All the facts did not come out. These three young men were denied impartial justice.

So what are the facts?

The accuser went to a late night party in early March. The three young men were already present. Her interest in one of these men was immediate and obvious. She was flirtatious and chatty, and she began dancing suggestively for him. She rubbed her buttocks against him. She disappeared into another room twice with the young men. There was no verbal or physical force applied in any respect. She complained to no one at the party that she was being forced into anything. When another female student entered the room, the accuser and two of the male students were (she noted) fully clothed, chatting comfortably. The presence of that woman made the accuser uncomfortable, and she left the room of her own volition. She returned to the room on her own and expressly told the second woman to stay out. While in the room with the men (first with two and then with three of them), she initiated and engaged in sexual contact with them. Her demeanor for the most part that evening was laughing, chatting and flirting. She seemed enthusiastically impressed with meeting these basketball players.

The accuser’s claim of coercion breaks down completely as the party ended that night. Her friends had arranged for a ride home but the accuser refused to go with them, even after they told her (unnecessarily, given the fact that she had already been involved in sexual activity with the young men on two occasions during the party) that they only wanted her for sex. She opted for the cab ride with the young men, climbed in and sat on one of the male’s lap. The cab driver described the conversation as lighthearted and talking about sports. He described the accuser as seeming very impressed and “excited to be hanging out with U of O basketball players”.

It’s difficult to reconcile the foregoing account with the accuser’s subsequent claims that she was raped and sexually assaulted on two separate instances at the party prior to getting into the cab. Some skepticism of the foregoing account would be understandable if the source of the information was the three young men. However, all of the above information comes from other guests at the party, the accuser’s friends, the cab driver and the accuser’s own descriptions

The night was not over at that point. The group reached one of the young men’s apartment. The accuser asked for something more comfortable to wear and changed clothes. She asked for a hair tie. The sexual activity continued. All agree that at one point during sexual activity, the accuser began to tear up. All sexual activity stopped at that point. One of the young men consoled her, asking what was wrong. All the young men seemed surprised at her reaction.

Again, some skepticism would be understandable if this description came solely from the three young men. However, the accuser herself told the investigator “They seemed honestly like ‘why are you crying,’ they were honestly surprised.” They were honestly surprised. They were honestly surprised because she had willingly initiated and participated in sex with them throughout the evening.

The young woman spent the night with one of the men and had consensual sex with him the next morning, a fact she omitted when speaking with her father and two police detectives during initial police interviews. When police were advised by one of the two young men who cooperated completely with the police investigation that this activity had occurred, the officer returned to ask the accuser if this was true.

At that point, she reluctantly admitted it was This young woman received a text message the morning after from another female party guest who had seen her get into the cab with the young men. When asked how her night had gone, the accuser texted back, “Very interesting. Ha ha.” It’s hard to see this description of an alleged rape as anything other than flippant.”

One of her friends noted that when the accuser first told her about her sexual experience that night, the accuser made no reference or claim of any coercion or force. This friend told authorities that she thought it was unusual that a day later the story changed to rape.

The accuser’s claim that she was too drunk to resist the advances of the young men are likewise irreconcilable with the facts presented by two of her own acquaintances. They describe her consumption of modest amounts of alcohol earlier in the evening. Neither of the two noted any indication of visible intoxication.

All of this information is completely consistent with the three young men’s statements. They have repeatedly and consistently said that she was a willing participant and that she initiated some of the sexual activity.

Why did she make these claims?

The accuser left the party with the young men in a public way and with knowledge of what was going to happen. She left with the young men against the advice of her friends who also knew was going to happen. When she shared details of her sexual exploits with a friend the next day, she realized that her conduct did not meet with universal approval. Text messages between the friends bear this out. Now shamed and embarrassed, she had to turn the story around to reclaim her dignity. And she did so at the expense of three young men.

The inconvenient truth is that the only evidence that this young woman was coerced or intoxicated comes solely from her. Her claims are contradicted either directly or indirectly by every other witness or event that evening.

So why has there been so little interest on the part of the University or its various detractors in determining the truth?

In short, it’s inconvenient. Inconvenient to a University that was in the midst of trumpeting its compliance with Title IX requirements relating to its handling and investigation of complaints of sexual assault. Inconvenient to other factions within the University who were insisting upon changes in how the University dealt with these matters. This event was a vehicle to carry forth those agendas. These factions needed a presumption of guilt rather than innocence to drive their cause.

It is inconvenient for the University to consider the validity of the Lane County District Attorney’s decision not to prosecute this conduct. A decision from a District Attorney who aggressively prosecutes sexual assault and crimes of violence against women, often based on little more than a victim’s claim of assault. When we, as attorneys, learned of the District Attorney’s assessment of the credibility of this accusation, we knew it was significant.

We support firm policies against sexual violence. We want all students on campus to feel safe in their learning environment. But in the rush to judgment in the matter of these three young men, justice was not served. The process the University uses to investigate must include safeguards so that the accused are treated with fairness and impartiality. The points we have made illustrate just some of the many problems within the current system. Problems we hope the University will address as they undertake to re-examine and overhaul their procedures.


emvalleysports.com/2014/06/24/attorneys-...ase-joint-statement/

Why is it that some women equate mistakes they make on alcohol to rape? Most guys write it off as a bad night when they wake up next to a girl they regret hooking up with. When women cry wolf they hurt the real victims.
 
Getting folks like rawdog to stop using the word sloot would be a good first step in stopping this kind of situation. In this male dominated world most men, and many women, find it strangely discomforting, and almost threatening, that some women actually enjoy sex and promiscuity as much as any fraternity brother. Here's a quick fact, women orgasm too and they can do it better and enjoy it just as much. The stigma that goes along with this type of behavior is unfair to those women who are shamed by their friends and peers when generally very little or no such disdain is tossed at the average male exhibiting the same type of behavior.

If it went down as described by the players attorneys, and I'm not saying it did, then it was the pressure of her friends and potentially her family, and the trashing of her image and stature in her social circle, that drove her to reject her behavior and make accusations that may not have been true and that's not fair to her or the players. It wouldn't be the hundredth time this has happened.
 
Getting folks like rawdog to stop using the word sloot would be a good first step in stopping this kind of situation. In this male dominated world most men, and many women, find it strangely discomforting, and almost threatening, that some women actually enjoy sex and promiscuity as much as any fraternity brother. Here's a quick fact, women orgasm too and they can do it better and enjoy it just as much. The stigma that goes along with this type of behavior is unfair to those women who are shamed by their friends and peers when generally very little or no such disdain is tossed at the average male exhibiting the same type of behavior.

If it went down as described by the players attorneys, and I'm not saying it did, then it was the pressure of her friends and potentially her family, and the trashing of her image and stature in her social circle, that drove her to reject her behavior and make accusations that may not have been true and that's not fair to her or the players. It wouldn't be the hundredth time this has happened.

Ahhhh c'mon man. Sloot isn't even that harsh of a word. I couldn't care less if she banged 20 guys that night. I'm not judging her. I'm referring basically to what society would label her as being a slut/whore/easy etc. I think it's silly that a guy is a stud if he hooks up with 3 girls in a night, but a girl is a whore for doing the same. To each their own. Morally speaking I think they're all disgusting and I hope my son's never act this way and treat women with respect. I think I've taught them as much. However I'm just calling it how I think society views it. Let's be honest though, would you marry the girl known for bangin the Oregon Bball team? She made her bed and now doesn't want to lay in it.
 
Getting folks like rawdog to stop using the word sloot would be a good first step in stopping this kind of situation. In this male dominated world most men, and many women, find it strangely discomforting, and almost threatening, that some women actually enjoy sex and promiscuity as much as any fraternity brother. Here's a quick fact, women orgasm too and they can do it better and enjoy it just as much. The stigma that goes along with this type of behavior is unfair to those women who are shamed by their friends and peers when generally very little or no such disdain is tossed at the average male exhibiting the same type of behavior.

If it went down as described by the players attorneys, and I'm not saying it did, then it was the pressure of her friends and potentially her family, and the trashing of her image and stature in her social circle, that drove her to reject her behavior and make accusations that may not have been true and that's not fair to her or the players. It wouldn't be the hundredth time this has happened.

Excellent post. A very enlightened take on the issue.
 
Getting folks like rawdog to stop using the word sloot would be a good first step in stopping this kind of situation. In this male dominated world most men, and many women, find it strangely discomforting, and almost threatening, that some women actually enjoy sex and promiscuity as much as any fraternity brother. Here's a quick fact, women orgasm too and they can do it better and enjoy it just as much. The stigma that goes along with this type of behavior is unfair to those women who are shamed by their friends and peers when generally very little or no such disdain is tossed at the average male exhibiting the same type of behavior.

If it went down as described by the players attorneys, and I'm not saying it did, then it was the pressure of her friends and potentially her family, and the trashing of her image and stature in her social circle, that drove her to reject her behavior and make accusations that may not have been true and that's not fair to her or the players. It wouldn't be the hundredth time this has happened.

Ahhhh c'mon man. Sloot isn't even that harsh of a word. I couldn't care less if she banged 20 guys that night. I'm not judging her. I'm referring basically to what society would label her as being a slut/whore/easy etc. I think it's silly that a guy is a stud if he hooks up with 3 girls in a night, but a girl is a whore for doing the same. To each their own. Morally speaking I think they're all disgusting and I hope my son's never act this way and treat women with respect. I think I've taught them as much. However I'm just calling it how I think society views it. Let's be honest though, would you marry the girl known for bangin the Oregon Bball team? She made her bed and now doesn't want to lay in it.

I believe austour was clownin', Raw. Nevertheless, I think the both of you made solid points in your respective posts.
 
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