DieHard Johnny
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hey bama whats up dont agree bama NYC market would be huge for cbs if the ncca puts in the johnnies plus I think Lou made it w 18wins one yr & BE was alot smaller
than todays monster conference
Does 10-8 get us
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hey bama whats up dont agree bama NYC market would be huge for cbs if the ncca puts in the johnnies plus I think Lou made it w 18wins one yr & BE was alot smaller
than todays monster conference
The numbers don't lie. Everyone is comparing 18-19 wins as the magic number but that only tells half the story.
According to espn we are 55 in RPI and 26 in SOS. The SOS is baffling considering we've played a weak BE schedule and had cupcakes throughout the non conference.
With games against Cuse, Lousiville, Pitt, Notre Dame and Marquette remaining we will undoubtedly be top 15 in SOS.
At the end of the day I think the Asheville loss will kill us. Sucks to admit it but that's what happens when you are young.
On the flip side we have some great opportunities in front of us. The record is mediocre but the resume has a chance to be sterling if we can snag 2 more ranked wins down the stretch.
According to espn we are 55 in RPI and 26 in SOS. The SOS is baffling considering we've played a weak BE schedule and had cupcakes throughout the non conference.
With games against Cuse, Lousiville, Pitt, Notre Dame and Marquette remaining we will undoubtedly be top 15 in SOS.
At the end of the day I think the Asheville loss will kill us. Sucks to admit it but that's what happens when you are young.
On the flip side we have some great opportunities in front of us. The record is mediocre but the resume has a chance to be sterling if we can snag 2 more ranked wins down the stretch.
Della9250
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That "weak" Big East schedule is the following RPI by team -- 67, 26, 70, 30, 47, 193, 70, 103, 193, 30, 22.
The remaining RPI is -- 7, 8, 97, 35, 95, 47, 16.
As of Thursday SJU has six top 100 wins, two in the top 50 (and any win the rest of the way would add to the total. They have three bad losses, although Murray State might not be by the end of the season.
And while UNC-Ashville is a bad loss right now, they lead their division in the Big South and based on RPI they would earn the conference automatic bid.
The remaining RPI is -- 7, 8, 97, 35, 95, 47, 16.
As of Thursday SJU has six top 100 wins, two in the top 50 (and any win the rest of the way would add to the total. They have three bad losses, although Murray State might not be by the end of the season.
And while UNC-Ashville is a bad loss right now, they lead their division in the Big South and based on RPI they would earn the conference automatic bid.
ZanMan
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That is an average of 77. You sparked my interest to see where everyone else stands as far as their BE opponents avg. RPI so far. I was a little surprised to find us dead last and Rutgers and USF to be a the top.
1-Rutgers--38
2-South Florida--39
3-Pitt--49
4-PC--52
5-Louisville--54
6-DePaul--56
7-Cuse, Georgetown and Marquette all tied--57
8-Seton Hall--60
9-Nova--64
10-Notre Dame--67
11-uconn--68
12-Cinn.--69
13-St. John's--77
It's going to take any combination of 20 wins for us to get in.
It doesn't come down to one game for bubble teams, but the home loss against UNCA might be the crippler.
As of today based on our current résumé, I say we are one of the first four out.
Regardless of what happens the rest of the way for the regular season, we need to defend MSG as a home court during the BE tourney and hope we can avoid Georgetown for the first 2 rounds.
It doesn't come down to one game for bubble teams, but the home loss against UNCA might be the crippler.
As of today based on our current résumé, I say we are one of the first four out.
Regardless of what happens the rest of the way for the regular season, we need to defend MSG as a home court during the BE tourney and hope we can avoid Georgetown for the first 2 rounds.
jrhoops1949
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The resume you just laid out could get us a 5 seed.
Pray4change
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Looking at the remaining schedule, 10-8 is a good projection. I don't think we match up well against Syracuse and UL and Marquette will be tough but i think we match up better against them. I wouldn't be surprised at 9-9 or 11-7 either. The team is decent - upper middle pack in the conference but we obviously lack bigs with muscle.
One never knows and perhaps we play above the level we've been playing at, but if we play at the same level of past performances we'll likely be 9-9 or 10-8, and likely looking at the potential of not being in the NCAA tournament.
the one player we need to step up his play is D'Angelo. In order for us to go to the next level he needs to get to the next level.
I'll be rooting!!!
One never knows and perhaps we play above the level we've been playing at, but if we play at the same level of past performances we'll likely be 9-9 or 10-8, and likely looking at the potential of not being in the NCAA tournament.
the one player we need to step up his play is D'Angelo. In order for us to go to the next level he needs to get to the next level.
I'll be rooting!!!
Honestly, Rutgers is not smelling the NCAAs this year.
But, if they did, it would be an interesting comparison. Split head-to-head. We have the loss to Ashville, they have the loss to St. Peter's. We have wins over Cincy and Notre Dame, they have the win over Pitt.
Honestly, if we both wound up 10-8, and the BE tournament didn't decide anything, it would probably go to them, because to get to 10-8, Rutgers is going to have to beat some good teams along the way.
It's also going to be a moot point, IMO, because Rutgers is more likley to find itself on the NIT bubble (if that) then the NCAA bubble.
Sorry for the double post.
Seth Davis does list our win at Cincy as being one of 15 that could help a bubble team make the tournament
St. John's 53, Cincinnati 52, Jan. 5. It was only by one point, but it came on the road against a team ranked in the top 25 of the RPI. The Johnnies, who are ranked 55th, also helped themselves by beating UConn and Notre Dame at home
Read More:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130207/hoop-thoughts/#ixzz2KLCAklIA
Seth Davis does list our win at Cincy as being one of 15 that could help a bubble team make the tournament
St. John's 53, Cincinnati 52, Jan. 5. It was only by one point, but it came on the road against a team ranked in the top 25 of the RPI. The Johnnies, who are ranked 55th, also helped themselves by beating UConn and Notre Dame at home
Read More:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130207/hoop-thoughts/#ixzz2KLCAklIA
DieHard Johnny
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Having Lavin as head coach helps bec. his resume w his history w ucla doing well in ncaa maddness
In the Big East we won't need 20 wins. In a weak conference we would. Who cares about Asheville? They turned out not to be bad, they are a tourney team from last year, and EVERY team has a bad loss you can't explain. Kansas lost to TCU for god's sake. Cuse lost to Temple. L'Ville lost to Nova and Nova lost to Columbia. These things happen. The Big East affords you a few more mistakes because of how hard it is. It's the lower conferences where you need to have almost spotless schedules to get in. 18 or 19 wins in the Big East is like going undefeated in lower conferences. You seem to totally discount the fact that we are playing in THE best conference. We have 7 ranked teams and with a few less stupid losses, we would be the 8th team to be ranked. This conference is a meat grinder. Anyone who can accomplish a .500 or better record should be very proud. 18 gets us in close conversations, 19 or 20 definitely gets us in.