DePaul Game

[redfazed]

Hate to classify game 5 of the BE season as must win, but I believe it is. Losing at SHU we can withstand. Losing at home to Nova is acceptable - they will be the class of the league. Butler at home stings and can only be nullified with a road win there - doable. Beat DePaul, and we are looking at Marquette at home before Creighton away - another have to win game on our schedule, before a rematch with Providence (Duke non-conf sandwiched in between). I believe Providence will be a dogfight to win, and it's by far in our best interests to win the three aforementioned conference games to pull to 4-3 before the rematch.

If we cannot beat DePaul away, we will struggle to be ..500 in conference, and need BET magic to have a post season - the real season. Put them away, and we can right the ship quickly.

Be careful. Others (they know who they are), wiill get on you for calling this a must win.

BTW I agree with your post.

Couldn't disagree more. Granted, I think we should win this game but there are no easy road wins in this conference. If we lose a road game to DePaul, we lose a road game to DePaul and we try to make it up somewhere else.

You must dig very deep ditches for a living, and like climbing a big ladder out

Well we lost at DePaul last year when we were 0-4 and got back to 10-8. Ive seen it done. That's all I'm saying. And with our non-conference, 10-8 gets us in. Last year our best non-conference win was arguably San Francisco at home.

Our non-conference record, assuming we don't beat Duke, isn't strong enough to get us in with 10-8. The OOC gave us no wins over a ranked team. Cuse has yet to be ranked, Minnesota is at the bottom of their conference. This is exactly what happened last year. Need at least 11 wins in conference.

Rankings don't matter. Nobody on the committee looks at rankings. Remember in November when Miami beat the 8th ranked team in the country? That team was Florida. Rankings are meaningless. What matters is that Syracuse as of now is a Top 50 RPI win. And as of now all 4 of our losses are to teams in the RPI Top 20 (yes, even Hall and Butler). The Big East as a whole set the league up so well in non-conference to the point there is going to be a team at 9-9 who gets in this year. Mark it down.

Using RPI, then, it's still a weak OOC record to be hanging our hat on, since Syracuse was the only non-conference Top 50 RPI win we had. Our losses are to good teams, sure. But I am assuming a loss to a Top 20 RPI team means far less to the selection committee than a win to a Top 50 team. That said, take care of business in conference and it won't be a problem.

 

[room112]

Hate to classify game 5 of the BE season as must win, but I believe it is. Losing at SHU we can withstand. Losing at home to Nova is acceptable - they will be the class of the league. Butler at home stings and can only be nullified with a road win there - doable. Beat DePaul, and we are looking at Marquette at home before Creighton away - another have to win game on our schedule, before a rematch with Providence (Duke non-conf sandwiched in between). I believe Providence will be a dogfight to win, and it's by far in our best interests to win the three aforementioned conference games to pull to 4-3 before the rematch.

If we cannot beat DePaul away, we will struggle to be ..500 in conference, and need BET magic to have a post season - the real season. Put them away, and we can right the ship quickly.

Be careful. Others (they know who they are), wiill get on you for calling this a must win.

BTW I agree with your post.

Couldn't disagree more. Granted, I think we should win this game but there are no easy road wins in this conference. If we lose a road game to DePaul, we lose a road game to DePaul and we try to make it up somewhere else.

You must dig very deep ditches for a living, and like climbing a big ladder out

Well we lost at DePaul last year when we were 0-4 and got back to 10-8. Ive seen it done. That's all I'm saying. And with our non-conference, 10-8 gets us in. Last year our best non-conference win was arguably San Francisco at home.

Our non-conference record, assuming we don't beat Duke, isn't strong enough to get us in with 10-8. The OOC gave us no wins over a ranked team. Cuse has yet to be ranked, Minnesota is at the bottom of their conference. This is exactly what happened last year. Need at least 11 wins in conference.

Rankings don't matter. Nobody on the committee looks at rankings. Remember in November when Miami beat the 8th ranked team in the country? That team was Florida. Rankings are meaningless. What matters is that Syracuse as of now is a Top 50 RPI win. And as of now all 4 of our losses are to teams in the RPI Top 20 (yes, even Hall and Butler). The Big East as a whole set the league up so well in non-conference to the point there is going to be a team at 9-9 who gets in this year. Mark it down.

Using RPI, then, it's still a weak OOC record to be hanging our hat on, since Syracuse was the only non-conference Top 50 RPI win we had. Our losses are to good teams, sure. But I am assuming a loss to a Top 20 RPI team means far less to the selection committee than a win to a Top 50 team. That said, take care of business in conference and it won't be a problem.

According to RealtimeRPI.com our SOS currently stands at 9. What are you concerned about?

 

[jerseyshorejohnny]

N.Y. Post:

http://nypost.com/2015/01/16/the-surprising-challenge-that-awaits-st-johns/

 

[NYCRedmen]

Whether we see this as a must win or not, we all need to accept the fact that every remaining game on our schedule (especially road games) is a potential loss. DePaul is no exception. Is it a game that we could win, yes. Is it a game that we should win, yes. But DePaul owns wins against Xavier, Stanford, Marquette & Creighton. They also took G'Town to the wire (6 point loss). I know they have some bad losses but that simply illustrates just how easily anyone can be knocked off, especially on the road. We need to go in there tomorrow and take care of business, simply put.

I'd rather have us go in on Sunday and do that . Tomorrow won't do us any good.

I have it on good authority that NYCRedmen is posting from Australia right now.

You know me better than that SimplyRed. No traveling for me between now & March

 

[mjmaherjr]

You know what would be interesting ? If Lavin goes shirt again and his move to regular dress shirt and not wearing underarmour al sharpton sweatsuit top coincides with finally getting Brandon Sampson commitment

Maybe he told him that he was going to wear those ugly shirts until Brandon committed

I think even Desco would be on board with that

 

[paultzman]

@WeAreDePaul: DePaul vs. St. John's Game Preview -- http://t.co/LVfB511EE8 #dpubb #depaul

 

[Avon Barksdale]

6.5 point favorites tomorrow.

Higher # than I expected.

 

[tom in salem]

odd line
laying 6 1/2.

 

[paultzman]

You know what would be interesting ? If Lavin goes shirt again and his move to regular dress shirt and not wearing underarmour al sharpton sweatsuit top coincides with finally getting Brandon Sampson commitment

Maybe he told him that he was going to wear those ugly shirts until Brandon committed

I think even Desco would be on board with that

Here is the zen master of sartorial splendor. Looks hung over to boot;

@franfraschilla: "@CoachHuggs, I told you not to wear your game day outfits to shootaround."http://t.co/f4Ds5uF79y

 

[paultzman]

Big Bill Wennington
@34billy42: Alway great to catch up with my Johnies. #Redstorm @StJohnsRedStorm @SJUCoachLavinhttp://t.co/lMhzv4QHn3Wennington, Chi Town resident, at practice;

 

[beast of the east]

Big Bill Wennington
@34billy42: Alway great to catch up with my Johnies. #Redstorm @StJohnsRedStorm @SJUCoachLavinhttp://t.co/lMhzv4QHn3Wennington, Chi Town resident, at practice;

Arguably the best SJU center of the past 30 years. Arguably.

 

[redfan259999888]

6.5 point favorites tomorrow.

Higher # than I expected.

Just seen down to 5.5

 

[Knight]

Paultzman wrote:
Big Bill Wennington
@34billy42: Alway great to catch up with my Johnies. #Redstorm @StJohnsRedStorm @SJUCoachLavin t.co/lMhzv4QHn3Wennington, Chi Town resident, at practice;

Arguably the best SJU center of the past 30 years. Arguably.

Maybe #2 all time behind Whopper.

 

[STJ11Redmen]

I think we win this one by 20.

 

[romiSJU]

Let's get it on!!!

I think we win this one by 20.

 

[kred]

At the buzzer- Greene. 61-59

 

[beast of the east]

Paultzman wrote:
Big Bill Wennington
@34billy42: Alway great to catch up with my Johnies. #Redstorm @StJohnsRedStorm @SJUCoachLavin t.co/lMhzv4QHn3Wennington, Chi Town resident, at practice;

Arguably the best SJU center of the past 30 years. Arguably.

Maybe #2 all time behind Whopper.

Believe it or not Paultz played for SJU 45 years ago, not 30 years ago. From what I understand was a better pro than college player.

 

[bobo]

:woohoo:

Paultzman wrote:
Big Bill Wennington
@34billy42: Alway great to catch up with my Johnies. #Redstorm @StJohnsRedStorm @SJUCoachLavin t.co/lMhzv4QHn3Wennington, Chi Town resident, at practice;

Arguably the best SJU center of the past 30 years. Arguably.

Maybe #2 all time behind Whopper.

Believe it or not Paultz played for SJU 45 years ago, not 30 years ago. From what I understand was a better pro than college player.

And could take a punch!!! :cheer:

 

[Knight]

Paultz also had a nice shot 12-15 feet away from the basket.

 

[paultzman]

@NYPost_Brazille: Eight NBA teams expected to be represented here today for St. John's-DePaul. #sjubb