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[quote="Paultzman" post=276333]Per Rothstein
Former Ohio State HC Thad Matta is a serious candidate for the vacancy at Georgia, per multiple sources. Discussions between both sides could begin as early as today.[/quote]
Would be a good choice: a .740 winning percentage over 17 years (439-154; 26-9 average) and 13 NCAA appearances.
Former Ohio State HC Thad Matta is a serious candidate for the vacancy at Georgia, per multiple sources. Discussions between both sides could begin as early as today.[/quote]
Would be a good choice: a .740 winning percentage over 17 years (439-154; 26-9 average) and 13 NCAA appearances.
[quote="Chicago Days" post=276273]Ease off. Didn’t ‘talk shit’ about Calhoun. Called him an irascible old coach which he was...and a great one. Nothing against him personally at all. I apologize if you took offense.[/quote]
There's nothing you can say here at which I'd take offense: you're just pixels on a screen and this is all nonsense anyway. (As long as you leave my mail box out of it obviously, and my wife.) My point - which perhaps I made badly, I might have had a cocktail in me - is that it diminishes us to sneer at greatness. I loathe rat faced Mike Schrewshrenski and mock him, but I don't sneer at him: he's a genius, albeit an evil one. Just like Jim Boeheim and Bobby Knight and the rest of their ilk. They do no harm and sometimes even good. I sneer at Rick Pitino because as good as he is as a basketball coach, he's a loathsome human being who cheapens the social discourse with his behavior and his self piteous self serving sanctimony. Calhoun is the greatest coach of his generation; in addition to which and by all evidence he's a good person who treats well his friends and family and beyond that does immeasurable service to the community - service that he would not have to perform to be well-regarded. That's all.
There's nothing you can say here at which I'd take offense: you're just pixels on a screen and this is all nonsense anyway. (As long as you leave my mail box out of it obviously, and my wife.) My point - which perhaps I made badly, I might have had a cocktail in me - is that it diminishes us to sneer at greatness. I loathe rat faced Mike Schrewshrenski and mock him, but I don't sneer at him: he's a genius, albeit an evil one. Just like Jim Boeheim and Bobby Knight and the rest of their ilk. They do no harm and sometimes even good. I sneer at Rick Pitino because as good as he is as a basketball coach, he's a loathsome human being who cheapens the social discourse with his behavior and his self piteous self serving sanctimony. Calhoun is the greatest coach of his generation; in addition to which and by all evidence he's a good person who treats well his friends and family and beyond that does immeasurable service to the community - service that he would not have to perform to be well-regarded. That's all.
[quote="Chicago Days" post=276290]I’m with Louie. Beat your opponent, but don’t stomp over the corpse[/quote]
Come on now. Lou spent most of his career stomping on the corpses of cupcakes: half his career wins were over Army and Davidson and Fordham and Manhattan and Niagara and Fairleigh Ridiculous. He was the biggest bully in college basketball and resisted joining the BE for fear just that reason. And his post season record of futility is a testament to that.
Come on now. Lou spent most of his career stomping on the corpses of cupcakes: half his career wins were over Army and Davidson and Fordham and Manhattan and Niagara and Fairleigh Ridiculous. He was the biggest bully in college basketball and resisted joining the BE for fear just that reason. And his post season record of futility is a testament to that.
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Adolph Rupp was the greatest coach of his generation; in addition to which and by all evidence he was a good person who treated well his friends and family and beyond that did immeasurable service to the community - service that he would not have to perform to be well-regarded.
The great Kentucky basketball dynasty is housed in Rupp Arena. Yet, he was an irascible old son of a bitch who warned St. John's not to bring its black player to Lexington. He made up for it by signing his only black player, Kenny Payne, in 1970. His experience under Rupp turned him into a serial rapist. Ironically, I find it easy to loathe Kentucky to this day because the greatest coach of white America still has that arena named after him while another man of his time, Cristoforo Colombo, is having his holiday cancelled, his statues vandalized because he didn't coach a basketball team and win 800 games.
There is just no justice in this world! Can I get a sneer for such hypocrisy?
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The great Kentucky basketball dynasty is housed in Rupp Arena. Yet, he was an irascible old son of a bitch who warned St. John's not to bring its black player to Lexington. He made up for it by signing his only black player, Kenny Payne, in 1970. His experience under Rupp turned him into a serial rapist. Ironically, I find it easy to loathe Kentucky to this day because the greatest coach of white America still has that arena named after him while another man of his time, Cristoforo Colombo, is having his holiday cancelled, his statues vandalized because he didn't coach a basketball team and win 800 games.
There is just no justice in this world! Can I get a sneer for such hypocrisy?
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[quote="fun" post=276372][quote="Chicago Days" post=276290]I’m with Louie. Beat your opponent, but don’t stomp over the corpse[/quote]
Come on now. Lou spent most of his career stomping on the corpses of cupcakes: half his career wins were over Army and Davidson and Fordham and Manhattan and Niagara and Fairleigh Ridiculous. He was the biggest bully in college basketball and resisted joining the BE for fear just that reason. And his post season record of futility is a testament to that.[/quote]
I did not sneer at Calhoun. I called him ‘an irascible old coach.’
I also said he was a great coach. I should have also said he rode ‘defiance’ to a new level and created an aura about UConn and it’s program that fed its players and fans. The program is hated—not because it was successful but because it treated its opponents like ‘dirt’. As did Uconn fans.
Yes, Louie played cupcakes, didn’t recruit all that aggressively—few outside of the 5 boroughs—played ‘man-to-man’ almost exclusively, going to the zone a couple times late in his career from desperation and you’re right didn’t have a very good post season record. But he was cuddily and entertaining and showed some ‘mercy’ to his opponents.
That era is over.
Let’s hope St. John’s can regain its lost glory and personify ‘class’ in the process.
Come on now. Lou spent most of his career stomping on the corpses of cupcakes: half his career wins were over Army and Davidson and Fordham and Manhattan and Niagara and Fairleigh Ridiculous. He was the biggest bully in college basketball and resisted joining the BE for fear just that reason. And his post season record of futility is a testament to that.[/quote]
I did not sneer at Calhoun. I called him ‘an irascible old coach.’
I also said he was a great coach. I should have also said he rode ‘defiance’ to a new level and created an aura about UConn and it’s program that fed its players and fans. The program is hated—not because it was successful but because it treated its opponents like ‘dirt’. As did Uconn fans.
Yes, Louie played cupcakes, didn’t recruit all that aggressively—few outside of the 5 boroughs—played ‘man-to-man’ almost exclusively, going to the zone a couple times late in his career from desperation and you’re right didn’t have a very good post season record. But he was cuddily and entertaining and showed some ‘mercy’ to his opponents.
That era is over.
Let’s hope St. John’s can regain its lost glory and personify ‘class’ in the process.
[quote="Class of 72" post=276418]Adolph Rupp was the greatest coach of his generation; in addition to which and by all evidence he was a good person who treated well his friends and family and beyond that did immeasurable service to the community - service that he would not have to perform to be well-regarded.
The great Kentucky basketball dynasty is housed in Rupp Arena. Yet, he was an irascible old son of a bitch who warned St. John's not to bring its black player to Lexington. He made up for it by signing his only black player, Kenny Payne, in 1970. His experience under Rupp turned him into a serial rapist. Ironically, I find it easy to loathe Kentucky to this day because the greatest coach of white America still has that arena named after him while another man of his time, Cristoforo Colombo, is having his holiday cancelled, his statues vandalized because he didn't coach a basketball team and win 800 games.
There is just no justice in this world! Can I get a sneer for such hypocrisy?
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Good points however Tom Payne was the one and only black player recruited by Rupp. Kenny Payne played at Louisville and is currently Calapari’s top Assistsnt and lead recruiter at Kentucky.
The great Kentucky basketball dynasty is housed in Rupp Arena. Yet, he was an irascible old son of a bitch who warned St. John's not to bring its black player to Lexington. He made up for it by signing his only black player, Kenny Payne, in 1970. His experience under Rupp turned him into a serial rapist. Ironically, I find it easy to loathe Kentucky to this day because the greatest coach of white America still has that arena named after him while another man of his time, Cristoforo Colombo, is having his holiday cancelled, his statues vandalized because he didn't coach a basketball team and win 800 games.
There is just no justice in this world! Can I get a sneer for such hypocrisy?
Good points however Tom Payne was the one and only black player recruited by Rupp. Kenny Payne played at Louisville and is currently Calapari’s top Assistsnt and lead recruiter at Kentucky.
All a matter of perspective.
It's funny but if JC was our coach, say, instead of his nemesis Jarvis, and we won not one, not two, but three national titles under him, there would be a statue of him outside our arena. No doubt irascible and no doubt a basketball genius.
The one part of him I didn't like, Fun, was his distain for St. John's He went out of his way on several occasions to demean the school when he didn't have to do so. He may be a Catholic in good standing (how would anyone know that), but he had no love for our little Catholic school. Hey John Calipari goes to Mass and communion every morning, but does some shady things.
Part of what made the Big East so great were great coaching legends and he was one of them, like it or not.
It's funny but if JC was our coach, say, instead of his nemesis Jarvis, and we won not one, not two, but three national titles under him, there would be a statue of him outside our arena. No doubt irascible and no doubt a basketball genius.
The one part of him I didn't like, Fun, was his distain for St. John's He went out of his way on several occasions to demean the school when he didn't have to do so. He may be a Catholic in good standing (how would anyone know that), but he had no love for our little Catholic school. Hey John Calipari goes to Mass and communion every morning, but does some shady things.
Part of what made the Big East so great were great coaching legends and he was one of them, like it or not.
[quote="Class of 72" post=276418] ... The great Kentucky basketball dynasty is housed in Rupp Arena. ... Ironically, I find it easy to loathe Kentucky to this day because the greatest coach of white America still has that arena named after him while another man of his time, Cristoforo Colombo, is having his holiday cancelled, his statues vandalized because he didn't coach a basketball team and win 800 games.
There is just no justice in this world! Can I get a sneer for such hypocrisy? [/quote]
As possibly the most popular and influential man in Kentucky in the early and mid-1960s, Rupp could've easily been a ground-breaker for the good. Instead he clung to his racist beliefs for as long as he could ... which meant for as long as he thought he could keeping winning without a black player. So much for Rupp Arena.
There is just no justice in this world! Can I get a sneer for such hypocrisy? [/quote]
As possibly the most popular and influential man in Kentucky in the early and mid-1960s, Rupp could've easily been a ground-breaker for the good. Instead he clung to his racist beliefs for as long as he could ... which meant for as long as he thought he could keeping winning without a black player. So much for Rupp Arena.
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[quote="redken" post=276440][quote="Class of 72" post=276418] ... The great Kentucky basketball dynasty is housed in Rupp Arena. ... Ironically, I find it easy to loathe Kentucky to this day because the greatest coach of white America still has that arena named after him while another man of his time, Cristoforo Colombo, is having his holiday cancelled, his statues vandalized because he didn't coach a basketball team and win 800 games.
There is just no justice in this world! Can I get a sneer for such hypocrisy? [/quote]
As possibly the most popular and influential man in Kentucky in the early and mid-1960s, Rupp could've easily been a ground-breaker for the good. Instead he clung to his racist beliefs for as long as he could ... which meant for as long as he thought he could keeping winning without a black player. So much for Rupp Arena.[/quote]
Where in the rule book does it say that you have to recruit black players?
There is just no justice in this world! Can I get a sneer for such hypocrisy? [/quote]
As possibly the most popular and influential man in Kentucky in the early and mid-1960s, Rupp could've easily been a ground-breaker for the good. Instead he clung to his racist beliefs for as long as he could ... which meant for as long as he thought he could keeping winning without a black player. So much for Rupp Arena.[/quote]
Where in the rule book does it say that you have to recruit black players?
[quote="Eric Williamson" post=276446][quote="redken" post=276440][quote="Class of 72" post=276418] ... The great Kentucky basketball dynasty is housed in Rupp Arena. ... Ironically, I find it easy to loathe Kentucky to this day because the greatest coach of white America still has that arena named after him while another man of his time, Cristoforo Colombo, is having his holiday cancelled, his statues vandalized because he didn't coach a basketball team and win 800 games.
There is just no justice in this world! Can I get a sneer for such hypocrisy? [/quote]
As possibly the most popular and influential man in Kentucky in the early and mid-1960s, Rupp could've easily been a ground-breaker for the good. Instead he clung to his racist beliefs for as long as he could ... which meant for as long as he thought he could keeping winning without a black player. So much for Rupp Arena.[/quote]
Where in the rule book does it say that you have to recruit black players?[/quote]
Where does it say you can't? Oh ... I'm confusing the rule book with Rupp's personal rule book.
There is just no justice in this world! Can I get a sneer for such hypocrisy? [/quote]
As possibly the most popular and influential man in Kentucky in the early and mid-1960s, Rupp could've easily been a ground-breaker for the good. Instead he clung to his racist beliefs for as long as he could ... which meant for as long as he thought he could keeping winning without a black player. So much for Rupp Arena.[/quote]
Where in the rule book does it say that you have to recruit black players?[/quote]
Where does it say you can't? Oh ... I'm confusing the rule book with Rupp's personal rule book.
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[quote="Eric Williamson" post=276446][quote="redken" post=276440][quote="Class of 72" post=276418] ... The great Kentucky basketball dynasty is housed in Rupp Arena. ... Ironically, I find it easy to loathe Kentucky to this day because the greatest coach of white America still has that arena named after him while another man of his time, Cristoforo Colombo, is having his holiday cancelled, his statues vandalized because he didn't coach a basketball team and win 800 games.
There is just no justice in this world! Can I get a sneer for such hypocrisy? [/quote]
As possibly the most popular and influential man in Kentucky in the early and mid-1960s, Rupp could've easily been a ground-breaker for the good. Instead he clung to his racist beliefs for as long as he could ... which meant for as long as he thought he could keeping winning without a black player. So much for Rupp Arena.[/quote]
Where in the rule book does it say that you have to recruit black players?[/quote]
Funny how times have changed. Kentucky and their fellow SEC schools now recruit mostly black players. As far as the rule book, there was an unwritten rule back then which lasted until the end of the sixties, that you not only didn't recruit black players but you didn't admit them into you schools.
The changes only came about by the force of Federal law and not because the great Adolf Rupp miraculously found a conscience. Of, course winning games was the primary motive in basketball but until 1970, my sophomore year at St. John's, Adolph Rupp, the most influential person in the state of Kentucky, did squat shit when it came to equal rights and I am sure that he could have cared less about the 14th Amendment.
There is just no justice in this world! Can I get a sneer for such hypocrisy? [/quote]
As possibly the most popular and influential man in Kentucky in the early and mid-1960s, Rupp could've easily been a ground-breaker for the good. Instead he clung to his racist beliefs for as long as he could ... which meant for as long as he thought he could keeping winning without a black player. So much for Rupp Arena.[/quote]
Where in the rule book does it say that you have to recruit black players?[/quote]
Funny how times have changed. Kentucky and their fellow SEC schools now recruit mostly black players. As far as the rule book, there was an unwritten rule back then which lasted until the end of the sixties, that you not only didn't recruit black players but you didn't admit them into you schools.
The changes only came about by the force of Federal law and not because the great Adolf Rupp miraculously found a conscience. Of, course winning games was the primary motive in basketball but until 1970, my sophomore year at St. John's, Adolph Rupp, the most influential person in the state of Kentucky, did squat shit when it came to equal rights and I am sure that he could have cared less about the 14th Amendment.
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[quote="Paultzman" post=276478]Per Goodman
Pepperdine announces Lorenzo Romar as new coach. Former Washington head coach, now assistant at Arizona.
Nice view
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Thought I remembered him being there before, and Google confirmed it. It was his first head coaching gig.
Pepperdine announces Lorenzo Romar as new coach. Former Washington head coach, now assistant at Arizona.
Nice view
[/quote]Thought I remembered him being there before, and Google confirmed it. It was his first head coaching gig.
Per Dinos Trigonos a character & Lav guy;
Now that Rodney Terry is headed to UTEP, great candidates for the Fresno State job would be assistants Tony Stubblefield/Oregon, David Grace/UCLA, Justin Hutson/San Diego State, Dave Rice/Washington, Jason Hart/USC, Stevie Thompson/Oregon State and guys like Steve Lavin & Seth Greenberg
Now that Rodney Terry is headed to UTEP, great candidates for the Fresno State job would be assistants Tony Stubblefield/Oregon, David Grace/UCLA, Justin Hutson/San Diego State, Dave Rice/Washington, Jason Hart/USC, Stevie Thompson/Oregon State and guys like Steve Lavin & Seth Greenberg
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[quote="Paultzman" post=276484]Per Dinos Trigonos a character & Lav guy;
Now that Rodney Terry is headed to UTEP, great candidates for the Fresno State job would be assistants Tony Stubblefield/Oregon, David Grace/UCLA, Justin Hutson/San Diego State, Dave Rice/Washington, Jason Hart/USC, Stevie Thompson/Oregon State and guys like Steve Lavin & Seth Greenberg[/quote] Lavin and Greenberg. Lawmanfan just puked and had an orgasm at the same time
Now that Rodney Terry is headed to UTEP, great candidates for the Fresno State job would be assistants Tony Stubblefield/Oregon, David Grace/UCLA, Justin Hutson/San Diego State, Dave Rice/Washington, Jason Hart/USC, Stevie Thompson/Oregon State and guys like Steve Lavin & Seth Greenberg[/quote] Lavin and Greenberg. Lawmanfan just puked and had an orgasm at the same time
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=276487][quote="Paultzman" post=276484]Per Dinos Trigonos a character & Lav guy;
Now that Rodney Terry is headed to UTEP, great candidates for the Fresno State job would be assistants Tony Stubblefield/Oregon, David Grace/UCLA, Justin Hutson/San Diego State, Dave Rice/Washington, Jason Hart/USC, Stevie Thompson/Oregon State and guys like Steve Lavin & Seth Greenberg[/quote] Lavin and Greenberg. Lawmanfan just puked and had an orgasm at the same time[/quote]
LM is clearly a versatile guy.
Now that Rodney Terry is headed to UTEP, great candidates for the Fresno State job would be assistants Tony Stubblefield/Oregon, David Grace/UCLA, Justin Hutson/San Diego State, Dave Rice/Washington, Jason Hart/USC, Stevie Thompson/Oregon State and guys like Steve Lavin & Seth Greenberg[/quote] Lavin and Greenberg. Lawmanfan just puked and had an orgasm at the same time[/quote]
LM is clearly a versatile guy.
[quote="redken" post=276440]As possibly the most popular and influential man in Kentucky in the early and mid-1960s, Rupp could've easily been a ground-breaker for the good. Instead he clung to his racist beliefs for as long as he could[/quote]
I agree. I would not describe Rupp - who according to the venerable Frank Deford was "a virulent racist" who "hated black people" - as a "good person" who "did immeasurable service to the community." On the contrary - and you'd think you wouldn't have to say this is the 21st century but evidently you do to certain ignorant St John's fans - racists are bad people who do immeasurable harm to the community. And in fact Rupp only recruited African American athletes because UK president John Oswald ordered him to. In Rupp's words, according to his long time assistant coach Harry Lancaster: "that son of a bitch is ordering me to get some n*gg*rs in here. What am I going to do ? He's the boss."
When several of Rupp's players were implicated in a point shaving scandal - the scandal that eventually led to the assassination of Jack Molinas by the mafia in Las Vegas - Rupp was described by the presiding judge as having failed "in his duty to observe the amateur rules, to build character, and to protect the morals and health of his charges". Again I agree: Rupp was not a "good person" who "did immeasurable service to the community." And quite the opposite.
I agree. I would not describe Rupp - who according to the venerable Frank Deford was "a virulent racist" who "hated black people" - as a "good person" who "did immeasurable service to the community." On the contrary - and you'd think you wouldn't have to say this is the 21st century but evidently you do to certain ignorant St John's fans - racists are bad people who do immeasurable harm to the community. And in fact Rupp only recruited African American athletes because UK president John Oswald ordered him to. In Rupp's words, according to his long time assistant coach Harry Lancaster: "that son of a bitch is ordering me to get some n*gg*rs in here. What am I going to do ? He's the boss."
When several of Rupp's players were implicated in a point shaving scandal - the scandal that eventually led to the assassination of Jack Molinas by the mafia in Las Vegas - Rupp was described by the presiding judge as having failed "in his duty to observe the amateur rules, to build character, and to protect the morals and health of his charges". Again I agree: Rupp was not a "good person" who "did immeasurable service to the community." And quite the opposite.