College Players Declaring for NBA

[Red.Fans]

For example Jakarr Sampson. Took the quick money how is that working out for him now? Had he stuck around in college and matured yeah he would have had a year less of a magical $million but how many millions did he lose out on by not having better leverage? Realistically it could have been exponentially more and he could have had a long NBA career instead of a lucky to be here $million, now off to the D-league and we'll call you.

There is anecdotal evidence on both sides of the argument. E.g. skipping college worked out well for Kobe Bryant. Leaving after a year worked out well for Eric Bledsoe, picked 18th in the first round. Sampson wasn't drafted - as opposed to getting a guaranteed first round multi million dollar contract - and still has made 1.6 million in three years. Might he have been better off staying? Maybe. He also might have broken his leg. No one would tell any university student other than an athlete to pass up a guaranteed multi million dollars contract in their field of expertise to continue their studies. And yet almost everyone thinks "student athletes" should donate their labor to the glory of college athletics during their prime earning years. I don't.

I completely agree with the sentiment that the NCAA is a bad system for a small percentage of student athletes even if you are not correctly stating the facts and using non-relevant examples like Kobe Bryant. I would never tell anyone what to do with their life. I spent three hours last night, NOT telling my adult daughter what to do with her life. I think the whole NCAA government is bogus. I think telling people they HAVE to wear a seatbelt or the government will take their money, is bogus. None of that is relevant. What I disagree with is your previous position that the evidence is all one sided to the point that you are completely astounded at the alternate position that it might benefit a kid to wait before jumping at the first opportunity but I'm glad that you now might actually believe what you are reading if only sort of admitting that there is some anecdotal evidence...

 

[monte]

The NBA has a gazillion dollars, why they don't fund a minor league system similar in style to MLB is beyond me. Do away with this ridiculous one year college requirement. What exactly is the purpose of forcing a kid to theoretically go to college for one year?

Why put real money into a minor league system when you already have one paid for by the NCAA?

It benefits the NBA and the NCAA, but how exactly does it benefit the kids if they are simply using college to comply with some ridiculous rule implemented by those two organizations?

And why would you think either of those institutions give a rats behind about the "kids"? Both of them define hypocrisy with their politically correct stances publicly and their exploitation of "kids", mostly minorities, privately. Obviously, that applies tangibly to the NCAA more than the NBA but still........................

Point taken but the rule is an NBA rule not the NCAAs..

There's no question that they are in cahoots though. Its a win-win for the NCAA and NBA, at the expense of the kids. The whole concept of "student-athlete" for a kid who is just doing time is a complete farce.

 

[Knight]

The NBA has a gazillion dollars, why they don't fund a minor league system similar in style to MLB is beyond me. Do away with this ridiculous one year college requirement. What exactly is the purpose of forcing a kid to theoretically go to college for one year?

Why put real money into a minor league system when you already have one paid for by the NCAA?

It benefits the NBA and the NCAA, but how exactly does it benefit the kids if they are simply using college to comply with some ridiculous rule implemented by those two organizations?

And why would you think either of those institutions give a rats behind about the "kids"? Both of them define hypocrisy with their politically correct stances publicly and their exploitation of "kids", mostly minorities, privately. Obviously, that applies tangibly to the NCAA more than the NBA but still........................

Point taken but the rule is an NBA rule not the NCAAs..

There's no question that they are in cahoots though. Its a win-win for the NCAA and NBA, at the expense of the kids. The whole concept of "student-athlete" for a kid who is just doing time is a complete farce.

Is "Student Athlete" a real concept? I do get the Athlete part, however.

 

[fun]

even if you are not correctly stating the facts

What facts did I misstate exactly. If you mean when I quoted a well known college basketball writer that's not misstating a fact. If you mean something else you failed to mention it.

and using non-relevant examples like Kobe Bryant

As opposed to comparing a projected first round draft pick with the undrafted Jakarr Sampson you mean? The point is that for some players there is no point in going to school, much less staying in school. Kobe is quite relevant to that point.

I would never tell anyone what to do with their life. I spent three hours last night, NOT telling my adult daughter what to do with her life. I think the whole NCAA government is bogus. I think telling people they HAVE to wear a seatbelt or the government will take their money, is bogus. None of that is relevant.

Right, none of it is relevant. Which is why I didn't mention any of it. I didn't mention your daughter, or seat belts, or the NCAA, or what you did for three hours last night. I did mention an 18th pick in the NBA draft who left school after one year who just signed a 70 million dollar contract though. I notice you avoided that subject and whether he left anyh money on the back end.

What I disagree with is your previous position that the evidence is all one sided to the point that you are completely astounded at the alternate position that it might benefit a kid to wait before jumping at the first opportunity but I'm glad that you now might actually believe what you are reading if only sort of admitting that there is some anecdotal evidence...

As usual you descend quickly into sophistry. I'm not astounded by the fact that some hypothetical player might benefit from staying in school. That's self evident. I'm astounded by the fact that you think that this particular player should stay in school. Because that's not evident at all.

 

[SJU85]

The NBA has a gazillion dollars, why they don't fund a minor league system similar in style to MLB is beyond me. Do away with this ridiculous one year college requirement. What exactly is the purpose of forcing a kid to theoretically go to college for one year?

Why put real money into a minor league system when you already have one paid for by the NCAA?

It benefits the NBA and the NCAA, but how exactly does it benefit the kids if they are simply using college to comply with some ridiculous rule implemented by those two organizations?

And why would you think either of those institutions give a rats behind about the "kids"? Both of them define hypocrisy with their politically correct stances publicly and their exploitation of "kids", mostly minorities, privately. Obviously, that applies tangibly to the NCAA more than the NBA but still........................

Point taken but the rule is an NBA rule not the NCAAs..

There's no question that they are in cahoots though. Its a win-win for the NCAA and NBA, at the expense of the kids. The whole concept of "student-athlete" for a kid who is just doing time is a complete farce.

Is "Student Athlete" a real concept? I do get the Athlete part, however.

Depends on the school and/or the athlete.

 

[L J S A]

Make everyone draft eligible, and if you get picked, the NBA team has the option to have you on the roster or leave you in college. If they leave you in college, they pay you your slotted money but you can't touch it until they are ready to bring you up to the team.

So if you are drafted in second round as a freshmen, and that slot pays you 500,000, 550,000, and 600,000, if they leave you in school to graduate, there is $1,650,000 (pre-tax) waiting for you. You have a degree, the NBA team has a seasoned player, NBA sucks less, kid has some cash, everyone happy. I suppose NBA may gripe about paying that much, so maybe being left in school triggers lower amount -- maybe even sub-league minimum: $200,000, $225,000, $250,000.

I will be making my presentation to Adam Silver later this week.

 

[Red.Fans]

Make everyone draft eligible, and if you get picked, the NBA team has the option to have you on the roster or leave you in college. If they leave you in college, they pay you your slotted money but you can't touch it until they are ready to bring you up to the team.

So if you are drafted in second round as a freshmen, and that slot pays you 500,000, 550,000, and 600,000, if they leave you in school to graduate, there is $1,650,000 (pre-tax) waiting for you. You have a degree, the NBA team has a seasoned player, NBA sucks less, kid has some cash, everyone happy. I suppose NBA may gripe about paying that much, so maybe being left in school triggers lower amount -- maybe even sub-league minimum: $200,000, $225,000, $250,000.

I will be making my presentation to Adam Silver later this week.

Makes sense. What happens when a kid gets drafted late then has a breakout college year?

 

[L J S A]

Make everyone draft eligible, and if you get picked, the NBA team has the option to have you on the roster or leave you in college. If they leave you in college, they pay you your slotted money but you can't touch it until they are ready to bring you up to the team.

So if you are drafted in second round as a freshmen, and that slot pays you 500,000, 550,000, and 600,000, if they leave you in school to graduate, there is $1,650,000 (pre-tax) waiting for you. You have a degree, the NBA team has a seasoned player, NBA sucks less, kid has some cash, everyone happy. I suppose NBA may gripe about paying that much, so maybe being left in school triggers lower amount -- maybe even sub-league minimum: $200,000, $225,000, $250,000.

I will be making my presentation to Adam Silver later this week.

Makes sense. What happens when a kid gets drafted late then has a breakout college year?

Good thing you asked me this and not Adam Silver during my presentation. :lol:

I guess the NBA would definitely pull him out after the school year. Money slot changes, I'm open to suggestions.

 

[fun]

Make everyone draft eligible, and if you get picked, the NBA team has the option to have you on the roster or leave you in college. If they leave you in college, they pay you your slotted money but you can't touch it until they are ready to bring you up to the team.

So if you are drafted in second round as a freshmen, and that slot pays you 500,000, 550,000, and 600,000, if they leave you in school to graduate, there is $1,650,000 (pre-tax) waiting for you. You have a degree, the NBA team has a seasoned player, NBA sucks less, kid has some cash, everyone happy. I suppose NBA may gripe about paying that much, so maybe being left in school triggers lower amount -- maybe even sub-league minimum: $200,000, $225,000, $250,000.

I will be making my presentation to Adam Silver later this week.

How about basketball players get the same freedoms that everyone else in the world gets relative to contracts. That is, that they can sell their labor to whoever they want for the highest amount of money their talents are worth in the marketplace. If they want to play in the NBA they can play in the NBA. If they want to go to college they go to college. How about we (royal) start treating athletes like we treat everyone else in society. That's radical I know, the idea of treating everyone equally. But then I'm a bit of an anarchist.

 

[Red.Fans]

Make everyone draft eligible, and if you get picked, the NBA team has the option to have you on the roster or leave you in college. If they leave you in college, they pay you your slotted money but you can't touch it until they are ready to bring you up to the team.

So if you are drafted in second round as a freshmen, and that slot pays you 500,000, 550,000, and 600,000, if they leave you in school to graduate, there is $1,650,000 (pre-tax) waiting for you. You have a degree, the NBA team has a seasoned player, NBA sucks less, kid has some cash, everyone happy. I suppose NBA may gripe about paying that much, so maybe being left in school triggers lower amount -- maybe even sub-league minimum: $200,000, $225,000, $250,000.

I will be making my presentation to Adam Silver later this week.

Makes sense. What happens when a kid gets drafted late then has a breakout college year?

Good thing you asked me this and not Adam Silver during my presentation. :lol:

I guess the NBA would definitely pull him out after the school year. Money slot changes, I'm open to suggestions.

Well if those "slots" were guaranteed minimums that would be a start but would give the teams a lot more leverage than they have now unless draft pick were only a right a first refusal and the player had the option to negotiate a better contract with other teams. To make it work you'd probably have to mandate that another team would need to make a bona fide offer that hit a certain minimum mark well above the guaranteed money before any negotiation could begin.

 

[Red.Fans]

Make everyone draft eligible, and if you get picked, the NBA team has the option to have you on the roster or leave you in college. If they leave you in college, they pay you your slotted money but you can't touch it until they are ready to bring you up to the team.

So if you are drafted in second round as a freshmen, and that slot pays you 500,000, 550,000, and 600,000, if they leave you in school to graduate, there is $1,650,000 (pre-tax) waiting for you. You have a degree, the NBA team has a seasoned player, NBA sucks less, kid has some cash, everyone happy. I suppose NBA may gripe about paying that much, so maybe being left in school triggers lower amount -- maybe even sub-league minimum: $200,000, $225,000, $250,000.

I will be making my presentation to Adam Silver later this week.

How about basketball players get the same freedoms that everyone else in the world gets relative to contracts. That is, that they can sell their labor to whoever they want for the highest amount of money their talents are worth in the marketplace. If they want to play in the NBA they can play in the NBA. If they want to go to college they go to college. How about we (royal) start treating athletes like we treat everyone else in society. That's radical I know, the idea of treating everyone equally. But then I'm a bit of an anarchist.

The Players Union(s) would never go for that.

 

[fun]

Make everyone draft eligible, and if you get picked, the NBA team has the option to have you on the roster or leave you in college. If they leave you in college, they pay you your slotted money but you can't touch it until they are ready to bring you up to the team.

So if you are drafted in second round as a freshmen, and that slot pays you 500,000, 550,000, and 600,000, if they leave you in school to graduate, there is $1,650,000 (pre-tax) waiting for you. You have a degree, the NBA team has a seasoned player, NBA sucks less, kid has some cash, everyone happy. I suppose NBA may gripe about paying that much, so maybe being left in school triggers lower amount -- maybe even sub-league minimum: $200,000, $225,000, $250,000.

I will be making my presentation to Adam Silver later this week.

How about basketball players get the same freedoms that everyone else in the world gets relative to contracts. That is, that they can sell their labor to whoever they want for the highest amount of money their talents are worth in the marketplace. If they want to play in the NBA they can play in the NBA. If they want to go to college they go to college. How about we (royal) start treating athletes like we treat everyone else in society. That's radical I know, the idea of treating everyone equally. But then I'm a bit of an anarchist.

The Players Union(s) would never go for that.

The players union and also the NBA and the NCAA would never go for that. Because liberty - real liberty - would kill the golden goose. In a free society joining a union would be optional. Jakarr Sampson might want to join a union because it would benefit him and similarly situated marginal professional players and they could bargain collectively. And prodigies like Lebron and Kobe and other one named players who don't need unions and who lose money because unionization exists could make their own deals. A player like Patton could sign a pro contract that guarantees him money and insures himself against injury while allowing himself to stay in school if he wants a degree or allows him to go pro if he doesn't and allows himself a buyout and the team that signed him a buyout and everyone would be better off except maybe Mark Emmert. I'm not sympathetic to the arguments that equate playing in the NBA to slavery but there's an element of coercion in the system that's unpleasant.

 

[L J S A]

How about basketball players get the same freedoms that everyone else in the world gets relative to contracts. That is, that they can sell their labor to whoever they want for the highest amount of money their talents are worth in the marketplace. If they want to play in the NBA they can play in the NBA. If they want to go to college they go to college. How about we (royal) start treating athletes like we treat everyone else in society. That's radical I know, the idea of treating everyone equally. But then I'm a bit of an anarchist.

I'm not anti-high school to pro. I was trying to work within a framework of what the NBA has in place. I don't feel the need to force kids to stay. I do strongly prefer that they stay and get seasoning so that the NBA isn't unwatchable -- previous Patton conversation, for instance.

 

[paultzman]

Per Goodman
Gonzaga freshman Zach Collins is signing with agent and declaring for draft, source told ESPN. espn.com/espn/now?nowId…

 

[L J S A]

Per Goodman
Gonzaga freshman Zach Collins is signing with agent and declaring for draft, source told ESPN. espn.com/espn/now?nowId…

Damn. That kid would have been so good next season.

On a side note, I haven't seen Jeter's list but I could see him landing at Gonzaga.

 

[paultzman]

Per Jeff Eisenberg
Rawle Alkins declares for the draft without hiring an agent, preserving the possibility he could return to Arizona.

 

[Knight]

Why aren't these kids allowed to hire an agent? God forbid they can get proper representation and consul.

 

[L J S A]

Per Jeff Eisenberg
Rawle Alkins declares for the draft without hiring an agent, preserving the possibility he could return to Arizona.

We'll have to deal with Lavin debates for the next 100 years if Rawle, Brisoce, and Diallo all are on NBA rosters next season. Waiting for Sampson to declare next. . .

 

[Moose]

Why aren't these kids allowed to hire an agent? God forbid they can get proper representation and consul.

And an agent is proper representation?
Most are snake oil salesman
NBA provides enough information to the kids. Ball is then in their court

 

[fun]

Why aren't these kids allowed to hire an agent? God forbid they can get proper representation and consul.

And an agent is proper representation?
Most are snake oil salesman
NBA provides enough information to the kids. Ball is then in their court

If the ball was in their court they'd be able to hire a lawyer. Because the NBA has a lot of lawyers and the NCAA has a lot of lawyers and all those lawyers are more sophisticated than 19 year old coddled athletes and they're bound to represent zealously the interests of the NBA and the NCAA and if that involves screwing some 19 year olds our of their birthright they'll do it and get a bonus for it.