Coach Lav

Barring any transfers. We will have all our major pieces back. Next year we can just build on this year. Lavin wont have to experiment w the lineups early on.

Some will say good news: all the major pieces will be back next year... bad news: that includes the coaches.

Lets not bury the coaches until the season is over, plenty of games left

I think no matter what happens, those posters who want to bury the coaches will still, and always will want to, bury the coaches. I'd love to see us win the BE tourny, make the NCAAs and go deep there. I'll bet you the "bury the coaches" gang will still be flaming away.

Yep, I guess there is always something to complain about- even after wins. What Lavin is wearing, Greene shot too much, why was Felix activated, Dom is a punk, Chiles is out of shape-- these were posted after Stj won! Can't even enjoy a W

So all is well then?

All isn't well, but the things some of the fans complain about seem trivial. My guess is we will beat Creighton and the take away will be the lack of fans at the game- so again another negative after a W.

So let me just get this straight.
If we beat Creighton nobody can make a comment about the lack of fans at the game?
If anything I expect that to come from the rah rah side of the fan base not someone down on Lavin or direction of program.

Oh and I agree coaches wardrobe is a joke of a discussion. As is the physique of our coaches. But in terms of redshirts, and what happens on the court and the actions of a player for going on 3 years now I think that is more than in the wheelhouse as topics for discussion. Regardless of if we win by 40

No one is questioning the appropriateness of commenting on aspects of the team, game, etc. And I haven't seen anyone post that everything is fine. There is always room for improvement. I'm sure the 'Cuse fans even believe that. But the negativity on this board, even after a good stretch as we've had, is mind boggling. I guess it depends on how one lives his or her life; glass half-full or glass half-empty.

Are you being serious right now? Room for improvement? Michigan State fans say there's still room for improvement. Villanova fans might be saying there's still room for improvement. We stunk for 3 months straight, and have been playing good basketball for about 2 1/2 weeks. We have huge holes in our players' lack of development, our coach's ability to manage a game, and an enormous cloud of uncertainty looming in the future because we're on track to once again be the youngest team in the world and start this cycle all over.

Everyone's glad the team is winning and playing better. That brightens everyone's day. But there are fundamental problems with the program.
That doesn't mean I don't root hard for coach and the guys, I do. And I'd love to see them make a run down the stretch here. But there are serious causes for concern and reasons to think the team is not headed in the right direction.

Why wouldn't I be serious? My point was that no matter how well a team plays, there will always be room for improvement. The best in their fields, no matter who they are, never believe they have nothing new to learn. My point was that no matter how good you are, there is always room to get better. I agree that there have been moments when I scratch my head at some of the moves Lavin has made. But it is just possible that he has learned from his mistakes and maybe, just maybe, that's why the team is playing well for the past 2 1/2 weeks.

I don't share your opinion that the program is headed in the wrong direction. But I do share your hope that they make a good run down the stretch.
 
Barring any transfers. We will have all our major pieces back. Next year we can just build on this year. Lavin wont have to experiment w the lineups early on.

Some will say good news: all the major pieces will be back next year... bad news: that includes the coaches.

Lets not bury the coaches until the season is over, plenty of games left

I think no matter what happens, those posters who want to bury the coaches will still, and always will want to, bury the coaches. I'd love to see us win the BE tourny, make the NCAAs and go deep there. I'll bet you the "bury the coaches" gang will still be flaming away.

Yep, I guess there is always something to complain about- even after wins. What Lavin is wearing, Greene shot too much, why was Felix activated, Dom is a punk, Chiles is out of shape-- these were posted after Stj won! Can't even enjoy a W

So all is well then?

All isn't well, but the things some of the fans complain about seem trivial. My guess is we will beat Creighton and the take away will be the lack of fans at the game- so again another negative after a W.

So let me just get this straight.
If we beat Creighton nobody can make a comment about the lack of fans at the game?
If anything I expect that to come from the rah rah side of the fan base not someone down on Lavin or direction of program.

Oh and I agree coaches wardrobe is a joke of a discussion. As is the physique of our coaches. But in terms of redshirts, and what happens on the court and the actions of a player for going on 3 years now I think that is more than in the wheelhouse as topics for discussion. Regardless of if we win by 40

No one is questioning the appropriateness of commenting on aspects of the team, game, etc. And I haven't seen anyone post that everything is fine. There is always room for improvement. I'm sure the 'Cuse fans even believe that. But the negativity on this board, even after a good stretch as we've had, is mind boggling. I guess it depends on how one lives his or her life; glass half-full or glass half-empty.

Are you being serious right now? Room for improvement? Michigan State fans say there's still room for improvement. Villanova fans might be saying there's still room for improvement. We stunk for 3 months straight, and have been playing good basketball for about 2 1/2 weeks. We have a football field sized space for improvement.
We have huge holes in our players' lack of development, our coach's ability to manage a game, and an enormous cloud of uncertainty looming in the future because we're on track to once again be the youngest team in the world and start this cycle all over.

Everyone's glad the team is winning and playing better. That brightens everyone's day. But there are fundamental problems with the program.
That doesn't mean I don't root hard for coach and the guys, I do. And I'd love to see them make a run down the stretch here. But there are serious causes for concern and reasons to think the team is not headed in the right direction.

So, now that you stated your case, is it that the players aren't talented enough? Or is it that the team is talented but didn't win, either by the player's fault or the coaches fault? I have a very good feeling that you would have to think about the answer before you blurt it out.

What is the fundamental problem with the program? What is it to you at the most basic element, the core of the program, that is fundamentally wrong?

So, in this football field size of player development gap, who could be tremendously better if they were developed? Sampson? GG? Hooper? Harrison? Sanchez? Jordan? You must mean an upperclassman, because you can't pin this on a freshman or sophomore.

How is four wins out of five in conference not the right direction? I thought wins were the most important thing.

If you want to state that the team isn't talented enough or that we have recruited the wrong kids, you'd better be prepared to go on record stating who was out there that Lavin passed on that could have been helping this team. Because there isn't a single player receiving serious minutes that I wouldn't want on my roster. However, we'd all like 5 top 50 players, but I don't see that Lavin decided to focus on 50-100 because he liked those kids better.

If you think the fundamental problem is Lavin and his staff, call Chris Monasch, and tell him to roll the program back 4 years and start over. I'm sure he'll agree with you.
 
Barring any transfers. We will have all our major pieces back. Next year we can just build on this year. Lavin wont have to experiment w the lineups early on.

Some will say good news: all the major pieces will be back next year... bad news: that includes the coaches.

Lets not bury the coaches until the season is over, plenty of games left

I think no matter what happens, those posters who want to bury the coaches will still, and always will want to, bury the coaches. I'd love to see us win the BE tourny, make the NCAAs and go deep there. I'll bet you the "bury the coaches" gang will still be flaming away.

Yep, I guess there is always something to complain about- even after wins. What Lavin is wearing, Greene shot too much, why was Felix activated, Dom is a punk, Chiles is out of shape-- these were posted after Stj won! Can't even enjoy a W

So all is well then?

All isn't well, but the things some of the fans complain about seem trivial. My guess is we will beat Creighton and the take away will be the lack of fans at the game- so again another negative after a W.

So let me just get this straight.
If we beat Creighton nobody can make a comment about the lack of fans at the game?
If anything I expect that to come from the rah rah side of the fan base not someone down on Lavin or direction of program.

Oh and I agree coaches wardrobe is a joke of a discussion. As is the physique of our coaches. But in terms of redshirts, and what happens on the court and the actions of a player for going on 3 years now I think that is more than in the wheelhouse as topics for discussion. Regardless of if we win by 40

No one is questioning the appropriateness of commenting on aspects of the team, game, etc. And I haven't seen anyone post that everything is fine. There is always room for improvement. I'm sure the 'Cuse fans even believe that. But the negativity on this board, even after a good stretch as we've had, is mind boggling. I guess it depends on how one lives his or her life; glass half-full or glass half-empty.

Are you being serious right now? Room for improvement? Michigan State fans say there's still room for improvement. Villanova fans might be saying there's still room for improvement. We stunk for 3 months straight, and have been playing good basketball for about 2 1/2 weeks. We have a football field sized space for improvement.
We have huge holes in our players' lack of development, our coach's ability to manage a game, and an enormous cloud of uncertainty looming in the future because we're on track to once again be the youngest team in the world and start this cycle all over.

Everyone's glad the team is winning and playing better. That brightens everyone's day. But there are fundamental problems with the program.
That doesn't mean I don't root hard for coach and the guys, I do. And I'd love to see them make a run down the stretch here. But there are serious causes for concern and reasons to think the team is not headed in the right direction.

So, now that you stated your case, is it that the players aren't talented enough? Or is it that the team is talented but didn't win, either by the player's fault or the coaches fault? I have a very good feeling that you would have to think about the answer before you blurt it out.

What is the fundamental problem with the program? What is it to you at the most basic element, the core of the program, that is fundamentally wrong?

So, in this football field size of player development gap, who could be tremendously better if they were developed? Sampson? GG? Hooper? Harrison? Sanchez? Jordan? You must mean an upperclassman, because you can't pin this on a freshman or sophomore.

How is four wins out of five in conference not the right direction? I thought wins were the most important thing.

If you want to state that the team isn't talented enough or that we have recruited the wrong kids, you'd better be prepared to go on record stating who was out there that Lavin passed on that could have been helping this team. Because there isn't a single player receiving serious minutes that I wouldn't want on my roster. However, we'd all like 5 top 50 players, but I don't see that Lavin decided to focus on 50-100 because he liked those kids better.

If you think the fundamental problem is Lavin and his staff, call Chris Monasch, and tell him to roll the program back 4 years and start over. I'm sure he'll agree with you.

I didn't even need to blink Beast, 110% it's the staff. Are the players perfect? No, but no group is. This group however is extremely talented, but has not developed. I don't have a big problem with who Lavin brought in. If I were doing it myself I may have swapped out an athlete for a slower player who could shoot or rebound better. But that's nitpicking, and I'm not here to do that. It would also be Monday morning quarterbacking because I was fine with the recruits when we signed them. And by and large I still am.
And no four of 5 wins is not the right direction. You're looking at a two week time-frame, zoom out to the larger picture and we are most certainly not headed up up and away. We are poised to be about two wins better than last year. And taking into account that Harrison didn't play the last 4 games, we're maybe a game better than we were a year ago. One more win in a significantly weaker conference is not improvement when you return 96% of your scoring, rebounding, and minutes played.
Coach's mistakes against Depaul, Providence, and Xavier cost us at least two wins. Just on him alone, for doing stupid sh*t like putting Max in the back-court when the opponent didn't need to foul yet.
And the fact that he took until February to figure out the starting lineup and rotation that 99% of the fan base was calling for in November is borderline coaching malpractice. Everyone, and I mean everyone, knew that the rotation needed to be shorter, that we were shooting ourselves in the foot by playing Felix, Ndaye, Max, and Marco. It was also blatantly obvious that Phil should not be alone in the backcourt with Dangelo. We have two point guards and one should always be on the floor. Again, it took him till February to notice this. I knew it, you knew it, Tarik Turner was calling for it. It was as damn obvious as any coaching decision could be.
Yet he tweaked and played around like he had nothing to lose. Well guess what... his experimenting in all likelihood is costing this team a tournament birth.

And then you have the recruiting fiasco. And yes it's a fiasco. Before you go all ballistic, understand that I know Lavin is a good recruiter, a very good recruiter actually. I will be the first to compliment him on his ability to close on a player. He signs an unholy amount of the players he targets. Incredibly impressive.
But we have no one signed for next year. And there are no significant recruits left. Every other major program in D1 has largely finished their recruiting for the year.
Georgetown, Villanova, Xavier, Marquette, Seton Hall, Providence, Creighton have all signed their top 100 prospects. This is nothing like years past because there is no player equivalent to Sampson, Jordan, or Obekpa who is left unsigned that we are even remotely involved with.
So, that leads to two results: 1) we don't sign anyone and in two years we have the youngest team ever assembled (again), or 2) we sign the type of 2 and 3 star recruits who don't have the talent needed to succeed at this level.

Is the sky falling? No. But this is not good. Playing sh*t basketball for 75% of the season and blowing your chance at the post-season is not being on the right path, even if you get hot towards the end of the year.

I understand optimists, I do not understand those that are delusional. Look at the glass that is our program and say it's half-empty or half-full, that's fine... but don't tell me it's a full glass.
 
Barring any transfers. We will have all our major pieces back. Next year we can just build on this year. Lavin wont have to experiment w the lineups early on.

Some will say good news: all the major pieces will be back next year... bad news: that includes the coaches.

Lets not bury the coaches until the season is over, plenty of games left

I think no matter what happens, those posters who want to bury the coaches will still, and always will want to, bury the coaches. I'd love to see us win the BE tourny, make the NCAAs and go deep there. I'll bet you the "bury the coaches" gang will still be flaming away.

Yep, I guess there is always something to complain about- even after wins. What Lavin is wearing, Greene shot too much, why was Felix activated, Dom is a punk, Chiles is out of shape-- these were posted after Stj won! Can't even enjoy a W

So all is well then?

All isn't well, but the things some of the fans complain about seem trivial. My guess is we will beat Creighton and the take away will be the lack of fans at the game- so again another negative after a W.

So let me just get this straight.
If we beat Creighton nobody can make a comment about the lack of fans at the game?
If anything I expect that to come from the rah rah side of the fan base not someone down on Lavin or direction of program.

Oh and I agree coaches wardrobe is a joke of a discussion. As is the physique of our coaches. But in terms of redshirts, and what happens on the court and the actions of a player for going on 3 years now I think that is more than in the wheelhouse as topics for discussion. Regardless of if we win by 40

No one is questioning the appropriateness of commenting on aspects of the team, game, etc. And I haven't seen anyone post that everything is fine. There is always room for improvement. I'm sure the 'Cuse fans even believe that. But the negativity on this board, even after a good stretch as we've had, is mind boggling. I guess it depends on how one lives his or her life; glass half-full or glass half-empty.

Are you being serious right now? Room for improvement? Michigan State fans say there's still room for improvement. Villanova fans might be saying there's still room for improvement. We stunk for 3 months straight, and have been playing good basketball for about 2 1/2 weeks. We have a football field sized space for improvement.
We have huge holes in our players' lack of development, our coach's ability to manage a game, and an enormous cloud of uncertainty looming in the future because we're on track to once again be the youngest team in the world and start this cycle all over.

Everyone's glad the team is winning and playing better. That brightens everyone's day. But there are fundamental problems with the program.
That doesn't mean I don't root hard for coach and the guys, I do. And I'd love to see them make a run down the stretch here. But there are serious causes for concern and reasons to think the team is not headed in the right direction.

So, now that you stated your case, is it that the players aren't talented enough? Or is it that the team is talented but didn't win, either by the player's fault or the coaches fault? I have a very good feeling that you would have to think about the answer before you blurt it out.

What is the fundamental problem with the program? What is it to you at the most basic element, the core of the program, that is fundamentally wrong?

So, in this football field size of player development gap, who could be tremendously better if they were developed? Sampson? GG? Hooper? Harrison? Sanchez? Jordan? You must mean an upperclassman, because you can't pin this on a freshman or sophomore.

How is four wins out of five in conference not the right direction? I thought wins were the most important thing.

If you want to state that the team isn't talented enough or that we have recruited the wrong kids, you'd better be prepared to go on record stating who was out there that Lavin passed on that could have been helping this team. Because there isn't a single player receiving serious minutes that I wouldn't want on my roster. However, we'd all like 5 top 50 players, but I don't see that Lavin decided to focus on 50-100 because he liked those kids better.

If you think the fundamental problem is Lavin and his staff, call Chris Monasch, and tell him to roll the program back 4 years and start over. I'm sure he'll agree with you.

I didn't even need to blink Beast, 110% it's the staff. Are the players perfect? No, but no group is. This group however is extremely talented, but has not developed. I don't have a big problem with who Lavin brought in. If I were doing it myself I may have swapped out an athlete for a slower player who could shoot or rebound better. But that's nitpicking, and I'm not here to do that. It would also be Monday morning quarterbacking because I was fine with the recruits when we signed them. And by and large I still am.
And no four of 5 wins is not the right direction. You're looking at a two week time-frame, zoom out to the larger picture and we are most certainly not headed up up and away. We are poised to be about two wins better than last year. And taking into account that Harrison didn't play the last 4 games, we're maybe a game better than we were a year ago. One more win in a significantly weaker conference is not improvement when you return 96% of your scoring, rebounding, and minutes played.
Coach's mistakes against Depaul, Providence, and Xavier cost us at least two wins. Just on him alone, for doing stupid sh*t like putting Max in the back-court when the opponent didn't need to foul yet.
And the fact that he took until February to figure out the starting lineup and rotation that 99% of the fan base was calling for in November is borderline coaching malpractice. Everyone, and I mean everyone, knew that the rotation needed to be shorter, that we were shooting ourselves in the foot by playing Felix, Ndaye, Max, and Marco. It was also blatantly obvious that Phil should not be alone in the backcourt with Dangelo. We have two point guards and one should always be on the floor. Again, it took him till February to notice this. I knew it, you knew it, Tarik Turner was calling for it. It was as damn obvious as any coaching decision could be.
Yet he tweaked and played around like he had nothing to lose. Well guess what... his experimenting in all likelihood is costing this team a tournament birth.

And then you have the recruiting fiasco. And yes it's a fiasco. Before you go all ballistic, understand that I know Lavin is a good recruiter, a very good recruiter actually. I will be the first to compliment him on his ability to close on a player. He signs an unholy amount of the players he targets. Incredibly impressive.
But we have no one signed for next year. And there are no significant recruits left. Every other major program in D1 has largely finished their recruiting for the year.
Georgetown, Villanova, Xavier, Marquette, Seton Hall, Providence, Creighton have all signed their top 100 prospects. This is nothing like years past because there is no player equivalent to Sampson, Jordan, or Obekpa who is left unsigned that we are even remotely involved with.
So, that leads to two results: 1) we don't sign anyone and in two years we have the youngest team ever assembled (again), or 2) we sign the type of 2 and 3 star recruits who don't have the talent needed to succeed at this level.

Is the sky falling? No. But this is not good. Playing sh*t basketball for 75% of the season and blowing your chance at the post-season is not being on the right path, even if you get hot towards the end of the year.

I understand optimists, I do not understand those that are delusional. Look at the glass that is our program and say it's half-empty or half-full, that's fine... but don't tell me it's a full glass.

Again, I don't think anyone on this forum is saying the glass is totally full. And those of us who are optimistic are NOT delusional. I choose to focus on the positives and you choose to focus on the negatives. Fine. But IMHO, this program is light years ahead of where it was when Norm was in charge.

"Coaching malpractice?" What, are you now planning on suing the University? :lol:
 
Barring any transfers. We will have all our major pieces back. Next year we can just build on this year. Lavin wont have to experiment w the lineups early on.

Some will say good news: all the major pieces will be back next year... bad news: that includes the coaches.

Lets not bury the coaches until the season is over, plenty of games left

I think no matter what happens, those posters who want to bury the coaches will still, and always will want to, bury the coaches. I'd love to see us win the BE tourny, make the NCAAs and go deep there. I'll bet you the "bury the coaches" gang will still be flaming away.

Yep, I guess there is always something to complain about- even after wins. What Lavin is wearing, Greene shot too much, why was Felix activated, Dom is a punk, Chiles is out of shape-- these were posted after Stj won! Can't even enjoy a W

So all is well then?

All isn't well, but the things some of the fans complain about seem trivial. My guess is we will beat Creighton and the take away will be the lack of fans at the game- so again another negative after a W.

So let me just get this straight.
If we beat Creighton nobody can make a comment about the lack of fans at the game?
If anything I expect that to come from the rah rah side of the fan base not someone down on Lavin or direction of program.

Oh and I agree coaches wardrobe is a joke of a discussion. As is the physique of our coaches. But in terms of redshirts, and what happens on the court and the actions of a player for going on 3 years now I think that is more than in the wheelhouse as topics for discussion. Regardless of if we win by 40

No one is questioning the appropriateness of commenting on aspects of the team, game, etc. And I haven't seen anyone post that everything is fine. There is always room for improvement. I'm sure the 'Cuse fans even believe that. But the negativity on this board, even after a good stretch as we've had, is mind boggling. I guess it depends on how one lives his or her life; glass half-full or glass half-empty.

Are you being serious right now? Room for improvement? Michigan State fans say there's still room for improvement. Villanova fans might be saying there's still room for improvement. We stunk for 3 months straight, and have been playing good basketball for about 2 1/2 weeks. We have a football field sized space for improvement.
We have huge holes in our players' lack of development, our coach's ability to manage a game, and an enormous cloud of uncertainty looming in the future because we're on track to once again be the youngest team in the world and start this cycle all over.

Everyone's glad the team is winning and playing better. That brightens everyone's day. But there are fundamental problems with the program.
That doesn't mean I don't root hard for coach and the guys, I do. And I'd love to see them make a run down the stretch here. But there are serious causes for concern and reasons to think the team is not headed in the right direction.

So, now that you stated your case, is it that the players aren't talented enough? Or is it that the team is talented but didn't win, either by the player's fault or the coaches fault? I have a very good feeling that you would have to think about the answer before you blurt it out.

What is the fundamental problem with the program? What is it to you at the most basic element, the core of the program, that is fundamentally wrong?

So, in this football field size of player development gap, who could be tremendously better if they were developed? Sampson? GG? Hooper? Harrison? Sanchez? Jordan? You must mean an upperclassman, because you can't pin this on a freshman or sophomore.

How is four wins out of five in conference not the right direction? I thought wins were the most important thing.

If you want to state that the team isn't talented enough or that we have recruited the wrong kids, you'd better be prepared to go on record stating who was out there that Lavin passed on that could have been helping this team. Because there isn't a single player receiving serious minutes that I wouldn't want on my roster. However, we'd all like 5 top 50 players, but I don't see that Lavin decided to focus on 50-100 because he liked those kids better.

If you think the fundamental problem is Lavin and his staff, call Chris Monasch, and tell him to roll the program back 4 years and start over. I'm sure he'll agree with you.

I didn't even need to blink Beast, 110% it's the staff. Are the players perfect? No, but no group is. This group however is extremely talented, but has not developed. I don't have a big problem with who Lavin brought in. If I were doing it myself I may have swapped out an athlete for a slower player who could shoot or rebound better. But that's nitpicking, and I'm not here to do that. It would also be Monday morning quarterbacking because I was fine with the recruits when we signed them. And by and large I still am.
And no four of 5 wins is not the right direction. You're looking at a two week time-frame, zoom out to the larger picture and we are most certainly not headed up up and away. We are poised to be about two wins better than last year. And taking into account that Harrison didn't play the last 4 games, we're maybe a game better than we were a year ago. One more win in a significantly weaker conference is not improvement when you return 96% of your scoring, rebounding, and minutes played.
Coach's mistakes against Depaul, Providence, and Xavier cost us at least two wins. Just on him alone, for doing stupid sh*t like putting Max in the back-court when the opponent didn't need to foul yet.
And the fact that he took until February to figure out the starting lineup and rotation that 99% of the fan base was calling for in November is borderline coaching malpractice. Everyone, and I mean everyone, knew that the rotation needed to be shorter, that we were shooting ourselves in the foot by playing Felix, Ndaye, Max, and Marco. It was also blatantly obvious that Phil should not be alone in the backcourt with Dangelo. We have two point guards and one should always be on the floor. Again, it took him till February to notice this. I knew it, you knew it, Tarik Turner was calling for it. It was as damn obvious as any coaching decision could be.
Yet he tweaked and played around like he had nothing to lose. Well guess what... his experimenting in all likelihood is costing this team a tournament birth.

And then you have the recruiting fiasco. And yes it's a fiasco. Before you go all ballistic, understand that I know Lavin is a good recruiter, a very good recruiter actually. I will be the first to compliment him on his ability to close on a player. He signs an unholy amount of the players he targets. Incredibly impressive.
But we have no one signed for next year. And there are no significant recruits left. Every other major program in D1 has largely finished their recruiting for the year.
Georgetown, Villanova, Xavier, Marquette, Seton Hall, Providence, Creighton have all signed their top 100 prospects. This is nothing like years past because there is no player equivalent to Sampson, Jordan, or Obekpa who is left unsigned that we are even remotely involved with.
So, that leads to two results: 1) we don't sign anyone and in two years we have the youngest team ever assembled (again), or 2) we sign the type of 2 and 3 star recruits who don't have the talent needed to succeed at this level.

Is the sky falling? No. But this is not good. Playing sh*t basketball for 75% of the season and blowing your chance at the post-season is not being on the right path, even if you get hot towards the end of the year.

I understand optimists, I do not understand those that are delusional. Look at the glass that is our program and say it's half-empty or half-full, that's fine... but don't tell me it's a full glass.

Thanks for a fair post. I was hoping you didn't read mine as an attack on you. I don't agree with the rotation having been set earlier. Early on the consensus on here was that GG shouldn't see the light of day and had actually regressed. Basically there were a ton of guys who absolutely played poorly or inconsistently. People called for dropping Jakarr out of the rotation completely. People said Branch was a turnover machine who added no value. Harrison is a warrior who hasn't shot well, and was part of nearly every late failure to deliver. Only recently has Jordan shown that he belongs on the floor for a lot of minutes and I agree with those who said he should have played more earlier. I've said my piee about Max many times, and also agree that he didn't belong on the floor at the end of regulation vs. Providence.

One thing I respect about Lavin, is that he got here and immediately released two Norm recruits who he felt didn't measure up to Big East play. I think he is careful about simply offering schollies to bodies who wont' contribute. As a result, right now we have 10 guys who contribute to this team, and I expect he will have a couple of late additions - jucos or spring signs that will be good, or else he will pass.

Remember that 5 Big East game is nearly 1/3 of the schedule, and it was 5 games that dug us in the hole.

Is the team incredibly deeper and more talented than the team two seasons ago? YES
Is the team much better and deeper than last season's team? Yes.
Should either of those teams been talking NCAA's? No

So do I see the glass as half full or half empty? No
I see it as about 3/4 full, because we are one big piece away from being a really great team.

I can't really share your disappointment because after a miserable start, the team is fighting their way out of hell, and they could have bagged it. My presumption is that any BE team really needing a win to secure their own NCAA hopes really doesn't want to see us right now. For good reason.

So, do I expect to win every time I go to a game from this point out? Yes. That's not the same as saying I expect us to run the table, but right now we are as good as anyone in conference, and if you blame the coaching staff 110%, then I'd have to say if my statement is true, you have to give the staff credit for that as well.
 
Desco, your post is a bit long and I skimmed through it, so forgive me if I missed something. But how can you say that coach should have brought in a couple of shooters instead of all athletes but then criticize him for playing Max and Marco...both of whom were reputed to be shooters. You may not like the results but you can't fault him for giving them a chance to provide shooting.
 
I don't want to hi-jack this thread, so I'll let it lie after this final note.

Far too many posters are repeating this false dichotomy:
The range of options is not Lavin or Norm. The fact that Lavin is surpassing Norm's results does not mean he's succeeding. Doing better than someone who did not do well, does not not = success. The logic here isn't difficult

With that said, I'm very excited for the game Sunday. But, at the end of the day something has to change. Either Lavin has to bring some new blood onboard, or start relinquishing more authority to Whitesell and others. And I don't want to say what I think of the recruiting situation, because that's different. That is not the result of a lack of ability on Lavin's part or a poor decision he made... it's something else. Which is far worse in my mind, and plays into what you all missed in my remark about the tie.
 
I don't want to hi-jack this thread, so I'll let it lie after this final note.

Far too many posters are repeating this false dichotomy:
The range of options is not Lavin or Norm. The fact that Lavin is surpassing Norm's results does not mean he's succeeding. Doing better than someone who did not do well, does not not = success. The logic here isn't difficult

With that said, I'm very excited for the game Sunday. But, at the end of the day something has to change. Either Lavin has to bring some new blood onboard, or start relinquishing more authority to Whitesell and others. And I don't want to say what I think of the recruiting situation, because that's different. That is not the result of a lack of ability on Lavin's part or a poor decision he made... it's something else. Which is far worse in my mind, and plays into what you all missed in my remark about the tie.

Are we watching the same games and team? Lavin not succeeding even though he is surpassing Norm's results? I'm sorry but the logic is difficult to comprehend. And please, enlighten me on what I "missed" about your comment on the tie.
 
While Lavin's coaching makes me crazy at times, I found it a little weird after one of the last games when I believe it was D'Lo said " we are finally buying in as a team" or something to that effect. i would think they should have been buying in since day one. A lot of the struggles were player driven also bad turnovers, shots , decisions and defense. The defense has picked up and that has to better offense. To me both the staff and players have started to trust each other leading to better play. Let's keep it going.
 
I don't want to hi-jack this thread, so I'll let it lie after this final note.

Far too many posters are repeating this false dichotomy:
The range of options is not Lavin or Norm. The fact that Lavin is surpassing Norm's results does not mean he's succeeding. Doing better than someone who did not do well, does not not = success. The logic here isn't difficult

With that said, I'm very excited for the game Sunday. But, at the end of the day something has to change. Either Lavin has to bring some new blood onboard, or start relinquishing more authority to Whitesell and others. And I don't want to say what I think of the recruiting situation, because that's different. That is not the result of a lack of ability on Lavin's part or a poor decision he made... it's something else. Which is far worse in my mind, and plays into what you all missed in my remark about the tie.

Are we watching the same games and team? Lavin not succeeding even though he is surpassing Norm's results? I'm sorry but the logic is difficult to comprehend. And please, enlighten me on what I "missed" about your comment on the tie.

Part A- Dunlap tripled the bobcats win total, yet was fired.

Part B- Lavin is too comfortable at st johns to really really bust his ass. Nonchalant if you will.
 
Purely anecdotal, but I enjoy seeing Whitesell at games recently. He is animated and encouraging to the players. I am not sure how he is utilized strategically, but he seems like an energetic motivator.
 
Purely anecdotal, but I enjoy seeing Whitesell at games recently. He is animated and encouraging to the players. I am not sure how he is utilized strategically, but he seems like an energetic motivator.

I've noticed that too. Maybe his input is a big part of this good stretch of play recently. I certainly hope so.
 
Purely anecdotal, but I enjoy seeing Whitesell at games recently. He is animated and encouraging to the players. I am not sure how he is utilized strategically, but he seems like an energetic motivator.

I've noticed that too. Maybe his input is a big part of this good stretch of play recently. I certainly hope so.

Tony, I now live in Fairfield.
 
Purely anecdotal, but I enjoy seeing Whitesell at games recently. He is animated and encouraging to the players. I am not sure how he is utilized strategically, but he seems like an energetic motivator.

I've noticed that too. Maybe his input is a big part of this good stretch of play recently. I certainly hope so.

Tony, I now live in Fairfield.

Just PM'ed you.
 
Purely anecdotal, but I enjoy seeing Whitesell at games recently. He is animated and encouraging to the players. I am not sure how he is utilized strategically, but he seems like an energetic motivator.
He also wears a tie.LOL.
 
Purely anecdotal, but I enjoy seeing Whitesell at games recently. He is animated and encouraging to the players. I am not sure how he is utilized strategically, but he seems like an energetic motivator.
He also wears a tie.LOL.

None of the staff wears ties.
 
Purely anecdotal, but I enjoy seeing Whitesell at games recently. He is animated and encouraging to the players. I am not sure how he is utilized strategically, but he seems like an energetic motivator.

I know most would disagree, but I give Lavin credit for giving his assistants important roles, and not thinking that he must be the focal point at all times. If you remember during other coaching regimes, assistant coaches were rarely consulted during games, nor did they have an important game day roles. Whitesell is the first guy to get to a player before and after coming out of a game - very important in the college game. Lavin has assembled talent on the bench, and I believe even though the results weren't there early, that their roles are the same. Having met Keady a few times, I seriously doubt he would just cash a paycheck here if he wasn't having any input, and even that role is important.
 
Beast great point, ask Chris Casey the current Niagara coach how Norm failed to listen to him under his tenure at SJU?
 
Purely anecdotal, but I enjoy seeing Whitesell at games recently. He is animated and encouraging to the players. I am not sure how he is utilized strategically, but he seems like an energetic motivator.

I know most would disagree, but I give Lavin credit for giving his assistants important roles, and not thinking that he must be the focal point at all times. If you remember during other coaching regimes, assistant coaches were rarely consulted during games, nor did they have an important game day roles. Whitesell is the first guy to get to a player before and after coming out of a game - very important in the college game. Lavin has assembled talent on the bench, and I believe even though the results weren't there early, that their roles are the same. Having met Keady a few times, I seriously doubt he would just cash a paycheck here if he wasn't having any input, and even that role is important.
Agree 110% + 2 on karma
 
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