Christian Jones Status
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With Yakwe, Sima, Amhed and our two other bigs, Jones would have gotten very few minutes off the bench. It was his choice to leave to possibly showcase his talent. Amar, on the other hand, is more than happy to be a role player. He can shoot from beyond the arc and at 6'9 is a better investment this year because we are going to be a guard oriented team. He and Richard will help each other develop nicely. Jones, for all his strength, was a very poor defender. Last year we needed both Amar and Jones for points. This year we have Bashir, Shamorie and Marcus for the points and a lot of skinny bigs who will run the floor in Mullin's offense. Jones was too slow for that offense last year and would have been just as slow this year.
It is not a big deal as Jones certainly wouldn't have made the difference between us making a tourney or not. However my point is I do not feel that there are 8 or 9 guys on the current roster better than him. He absolutely would have been in the rotation .
You and I obviously watched a different Christian Jones over his four years, If you think he would be better than 9 other current players then he would be a starter again. Thankfully the coaches will not have the opportunity to make that mistake. I agree Christian would have gotten minutes but nowhere near the minutes he got last year and since we are not Kentucky I doubt our 8th or 9th man would have been in many scout's recruiting notes. I'd rather see if Mullin and staff can develop and coach the young talent they recruited than relying on a Lavin recruit with sporadic intensity as was his history even if we lose 2 more games because of inside softness.
But, 72, having Jones instead of Amar (who, like Jones, a Lavin recruit) on board would also open a roster spot for a highly rated 2017 recruit -- someone Mullin and staff could "develop and coach" one year earlier than someone replacing Amar's spot in 2018. And if Jones' play the end of last season proves to be an anomaly, well then he'd probably wouldn't see as many minutes as he might want to. But if coming off the bench Jones did, in fact, contribute to the team's having 2 or more wins, as you put it, that could prove to be the difference between post-season play or not ... and making post-season play (or having a respectable won-loss record) could be huge in making St. John's -- and Mullin -- more attractive to recruits.
It appears that Amar plead his way back in. Incredibly likeable kid, loves St Johns, and im sure would rather sit hete than play elsewhere. In our future he is no more than a fairly athletic big body who may be used when a couple of bigs ate in foul trouble and may drain a 3 now andthen . CJones was a model citizen and apparently great teammate also, but Amar is the #1cheerleader who also avails himself when a staffer has a fan who wants to meet a player. Im okay with either or noth having come back . you need solid guys at the back end of the bench
Beast, love that Amar's a great cheerleader, but -- as you put it -- it's about having having solid guys at the end of the bench, and based on last year's performances, I believe Jones would fill that role better. And it's not as if Jones was a poor teammate or a sulking downer when he wasn't in the game; he consistently showed great loyalty to the program and to his teammates. It's great that Amar excels at schmoozing fans -- and, I'm not belittling that; I genuinely admire it -- but I'm more interested in who's going to help us win more games and maybe get to post-season play, and unless Amar miraculously turns around his game, that means Jones would have been the better choice -- plus it would have the added benefit of opening up a roster slot next year for a potentially elite recruit. But that's water under the bridge.
That said, can't wait for the season to start. Think it's going to be a fun-filled season ... provided our expectations are reasonable. And, believe me, I'll definitely will be rooting for Amar to prove me wrong.
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With Yakwe, Sima, Amhed and our two other bigs, Jones would have gotten very few minutes off the bench. It was his choice to leave to possibly showcase his talent. Amar, on the other hand, is more than happy to be a role player. He can shoot from beyond the arc and at 6'9 is a better investment this year because we are going to be a guard oriented team. He and Richard will help each other develop nicely. Jones, for all his strength, was a very poor defender. Last year we needed both Amar and Jones for points. This year we have Bashir, Shamorie and Marcus for the points and a lot of skinny bigs who will run the floor in Mullin's offense. Jones was too slow for that offense last year and would have been just as slow this year.
It is not a big deal as Jones certainly wouldn't have made the difference between us making a tourney or not. However my point is I do not feel that there are 8 or 9 guys on the current roster better than him. He absolutely would have been in the rotation .
You and I obviously watched a different Christian Jones over his four years, If you think he would be better than 9 other current players then he would be a starter again. Thankfully the coaches will not have the opportunity to make that mistake. I agree Christian would have gotten minutes but nowhere near the minutes he got last year and since we are not Kentucky I doubt our 8th or 9th man would have been in many scout's recruiting notes. I'd rather see if Mullin and staff can develop and coach the young talent they recruited than relying on a Lavin recruit with sporadic intensity as was his history even if we lose 2 more games because of inside softness.
But, 72, having Jones instead of Amar (who, like Jones, a Lavin recruit) on board would also open a roster spot for a highly rated 2017 recruit -- someone Mullin and staff could "develop and coach" one year earlier than someone replacing Amar's spot in 2018. And if Jones' play the end of last season proves to be an anomaly, well then he'd probably wouldn't see as many minutes as he might want to. But if coming off the bench Jones did, in fact, contribute to the team's having 2 or more wins, as you put it, that could prove to be the difference between post-season play or not ... and making post-season play (or having a respectable won-loss record) could be huge in making St. John's -- and Mullin -- more attractive to recruits.
It appears that Amar plead his way back in. Incredibly likeable kid, loves St Johns, and im sure would rather sit hete than play elsewhere. In our future he is no more than a fairly athletic big body who may be used when a couple of bigs ate in foul trouble and may drain a 3 now andthen . CJones was a model citizen and apparently great teammate also, but Amar is the #1cheerleader who also avails himself when a staffer has a fan who wants to meet a player. Im okay with either or noth having come back . you need solid guys at the back end of the bench
Beast, love that Amar's a great cheerleader, but -- as you put it -- it's about having having solid guys at the end of the bench, and based on last year's performances, I believe Jones would fill that role better. And it's not as if Jones was a poor teammate or a sulking downer when he wasn't in the game; he consistently showed great loyalty to the program and to his teammates. It's great that Amar excels at schmoozing fans -- and, I'm not belittling that; I genuinely admire it -- but I'm more interested in who's going to help us win more games and maybe get to post-season play, and unless Amar miraculously turns around his game, that means Jones would have been the better choice -- plus it would have the added benefit of opening up a roster slot next year for a potentially elite recruit. But that's water under the bridge.
That said, can't wait for the season to start. Think it's going to be a fun-filled season ... provided our expectations are reasonable. And, believe me, I'll definitely will be rooting for Amar to prove me wrong.
Valud, although amar is longer and can play a big a little better. THink of it that both were very expendable and nicely told they would play more elsewhere. I do have a feeling that if amar went somewhere else and cj expressed a strong desire to stay here, finish his career,maybe become a grad assistant coach, they would have said yes to him also . Either way both would likely see some dnp's here this season
Yes well anyone can shoot three pointers, that's not much of an epiphany. Anyone can take a reservation. Knowledgeable fans such as myself know that the important metric is how many go in the basket. Or in the case of a 28 percent shooter, how few.
I thought you had Died on us!
And I bet you were worried: if I had you'd have had to find a lesser writer to plagiarize.
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With Yakwe, Sima, Amhed and our two other bigs, Jones would have gotten very few minutes off the bench. It was his choice to leave to possibly showcase his talent. Amar, on the other hand, is more than happy to be a role player. He can shoot from beyond the arc and at 6'9 is a better investment this year because we are going to be a guard oriented team. He and Richard will help each other develop nicely. Jones, for all his strength, was a very poor defender. Last year we needed both Amar and Jones for points. This year we have Bashir, Shamorie and Marcus for the points and a lot of skinny bigs who will run the floor in Mullin's offense. Jones was too slow for that offense last year and would have been just as slow this year.
It is not a big deal as Jones certainly wouldn't have made the difference between us making a tourney or not. However my point is I do not feel that there are 8 or 9 guys on the current roster better than him. He absolutely would have been in the rotation .
You and I obviously watched a different Christian Jones over his four years, If you think he would be better than 9 other current players then he would be a starter again. Thankfully the coaches will not have the opportunity to make that mistake. I agree Christian would have gotten minutes but nowhere near the minutes he got last year and since we are not Kentucky I doubt our 8th or 9th man would have been in many scout's recruiting notes. I'd rather see if Mullin and staff can develop and coach the young talent they recruited than relying on a Lavin recruit with sporadic intensity as was his history even if we lose 2 more games because of inside softness.
But, 72, having Jones instead of Amar (who, like Jones, a Lavin recruit) on board would also open a roster spot for a highly rated 2017 recruit -- someone Mullin and staff could "develop and coach" one year earlier than someone replacing Amar's spot in 2018. And if Jones' play the end of last season proves to be an anomaly, well then he'd probably wouldn't see as many minutes as he might want to. But if coming off the bench Jones did, in fact, contribute to the team's having 2 or more wins, as you put it, that could prove to be the difference between post-season play or not ... and making post-season play (or having a respectable won-loss record) could be huge in making St. John's -- and Mullin -- more attractive to recruits.
It appears that Amar plead his way back in. Incredibly likeable kid, loves St Johns, and im sure would rather sit hete than play elsewhere. In our future he is no more than a fairly athletic big body who may be used when a couple of bigs ate in foul trouble and may drain a 3 now andthen . CJones was a model citizen and apparently great teammate also, but Amar is the #1cheerleader who also avails himself when a staffer has a fan who wants to meet a player. Im okay with either or noth having come back . you need solid guys at the back end of the bench
Beast, love that Amar's a great cheerleader, but -- as you put it -- it's about having having solid guys at the end of the bench, and based on last year's performances, I believe Jones would fill that role better. And it's not as if Jones was a poor teammate or a sulking downer when he wasn't in the game; he consistently showed great loyalty to the program and to his teammates. It's great that Amar excels at schmoozing fans -- and, I'm not belittling that; I genuinely admire it -- but I'm more interested in who's going to help us win more games and maybe get to post-season play, and unless Amar miraculously turns around his game, that means Jones would have been the better choice -- plus it would have the added benefit of opening up a roster slot next year for a potentially elite recruit. But that's water under the bridge.
That said, can't wait for the season to start. Think it's going to be a fun-filled season ... provided our expectations are reasonable. And, believe me, I'll definitely will be rooting for Amar to prove me wrong.
See that is the thing most are missing. Not only is Jones way better than Amar, I think Jones would be better than Owns and would be first big off the bench. Again we won't be very good anyway but my point is with Jones we would have been just a touch better.
With Yakwe, Sima, Amhed and our two other bigs, Jones would have gotten very few minutes off the bench. It was his choice to leave to possibly showcase his talent. Amar, on the other hand, is more than happy to be a role player. He can shoot from beyond the arc and at 6'9 is a better investment this year because we are going to be a guard oriented team. He and Richard will help each other develop nicely. Jones, for all his strength, was a very poor defender. Last year we needed both Amar and Jones for points. This year we have Bashir, Shamorie and Marcus for the points and a lot of skinny bigs who will run the floor in Mullin's offense. Jones was too slow for that offense last year and would have been just as slow this year.
It is not a big deal as Jones certainly wouldn't have made the difference between us making a tourney or not. However my point is I do not feel that there are 8 or 9 guys on the current roster better than him. He absolutely would have been in the rotation .
You and I obviously watched a different Christian Jones over his four years, If you think he would be better than 9 other current players then he would be a starter again. Thankfully the coaches will not have the opportunity to make that mistake. I agree Christian would have gotten minutes but nowhere near the minutes he got last year and since we are not Kentucky I doubt our 8th or 9th man would have been in many scout's recruiting notes. I'd rather see if Mullin and staff can develop and coach the young talent they recruited than relying on a Lavin recruit with sporadic intensity as was his history even if we lose 2 more games because of inside softness.
But, 72, having Jones instead of Amar (who, like Jones, a Lavin recruit) on board would also open a roster spot for a highly rated 2017 recruit -- someone Mullin and staff could "develop and coach" one year earlier than someone replacing Amar's spot in 2018. And if Jones' play the end of last season proves to be an anomaly, well then he'd probably wouldn't see as many minutes as he might want to. But if coming off the bench Jones did, in fact, contribute to the team's having 2 or more wins, as you put it, that could prove to be the difference between post-season play or not ... and making post-season play (or having a respectable won-loss record) could be huge in making St. John's -- and Mullin -- more attractive to recruits.
It appears that Amar plead his way back in. Incredibly likeable kid, loves St Johns, and im sure would rather sit hete than play elsewhere. In our future he is no more than a fairly athletic big body who may be used when a couple of bigs ate in foul trouble and may drain a 3 now andthen . CJones was a model citizen and apparently great teammate also, but Amar is the #1cheerleader who also avails himself when a staffer has a fan who wants to meet a player. Im okay with either or noth having come back . you need solid guys at the back end of the bench
Beast, love that Amar's a great cheerleader, but -- as you put it -- it's about having having solid guys at the end of the bench, and based on last year's performances, I believe Jones would fill that role better. And it's not as if Jones was a poor teammate or a sulking downer when he wasn't in the game; he consistently showed great loyalty to the program and to his teammates. It's great that Amar excels at schmoozing fans -- and, I'm not belittling that; I genuinely admire it -- but I'm more interested in who's going to help us win more games and maybe get to post-season play, and unless Amar miraculously turns around his game, that means Jones would have been the better choice -- plus it would have the added benefit of opening up a roster slot next year for a potentially elite recruit. But that's water under the bridge.
That said, can't wait for the season to start. Think it's going to be a fun-filled season ... provided our expectations are reasonable. And, believe me, I'll definitely will be rooting for Amar to prove me wrong.
See that is the thing most are missing. Not only is Jones way better than Amar, I think Jones would be better than Owns and would be first big off the bench. Again we won't be very good anyway but my point is with Jones we would have been just a touch better.
At the expense of the future. I would much prefer the minutes go to Owens and RF.
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With Yakwe, Sima, Amhed and our two other bigs, Jones would have gotten very few minutes off the bench. It was his choice to leave to possibly showcase his talent. Amar, on the other hand, is more than happy to be a role player. He can shoot from beyond the arc and at 6'9 is a better investment this year because we are going to be a guard oriented team. He and Richard will help each other develop nicely. Jones, for all his strength, was a very poor defender. Last year we needed both Amar and Jones for points. This year we have Bashir, Shamorie and Marcus for the points and a lot of skinny bigs who will run the floor in Mullin's offense. Jones was too slow for that offense last year and would have been just as slow this year.
It is not a big deal as Jones certainly wouldn't have made the difference between us making a tourney or not. However my point is I do not feel that there are 8 or 9 guys on the current roster better than him. He absolutely would have been in the rotation .
You and I obviously watched a different Christian Jones over his four years, If you think he would be better than 9 other current players then he would be a starter again. Thankfully the coaches will not have the opportunity to make that mistake. I agree Christian would have gotten minutes but nowhere near the minutes he got last year and since we are not Kentucky I doubt our 8th or 9th man would have been in many scout's recruiting notes. I'd rather see if Mullin and staff can develop and coach the young talent they recruited than relying on a Lavin recruit with sporadic intensity as was his history even if we lose 2 more games because of inside softness.
But, 72, having Jones instead of Amar (who, like Jones, a Lavin recruit) on board would also open a roster spot for a highly rated 2017 recruit -- someone Mullin and staff could "develop and coach" one year earlier than someone replacing Amar's spot in 2018. And if Jones' play the end of last season proves to be an anomaly, well then he'd probably wouldn't see as many minutes as he might want to. But if coming off the bench Jones did, in fact, contribute to the team's having 2 or more wins, as you put it, that could prove to be the difference between post-season play or not ... and making post-season play (or having a respectable won-loss record) could be huge in making St. John's -- and Mullin -- more attractive to recruits.
It appears that Amar plead his way back in. Incredibly likeable kid, loves St Johns, and im sure would rather sit hete than play elsewhere. In our future he is no more than a fairly athletic big body who may be used when a couple of bigs ate in foul trouble and may drain a 3 now andthen . CJones was a model citizen and apparently great teammate also, but Amar is the #1cheerleader who also avails himself when a staffer has a fan who wants to meet a player. Im okay with either or noth having come back . you need solid guys at the back end of the bench
Beast, love that Amar's a great cheerleader, but -- as you put it -- it's about having having solid guys at the end of the bench, and based on last year's performances, I believe Jones would fill that role better. And it's not as if Jones was a poor teammate or a sulking downer when he wasn't in the game; he consistently showed great loyalty to the program and to his teammates. It's great that Amar excels at schmoozing fans -- and, I'm not belittling that; I genuinely admire it -- but I'm more interested in who's going to help us win more games and maybe get to post-season play, and unless Amar miraculously turns around his game, that means Jones would have been the better choice -- plus it would have the added benefit of opening up a roster slot next year for a potentially elite recruit. But that's water under the bridge.
That said, can't wait for the season to start. Think it's going to be a fun-filled season ... provided our expectations are reasonable. And, believe me, I'll definitely will be rooting for Amar to prove me wrong.
See that is the thing most are missing. Not only is Jones way better than Amar, I think Jones would be better than Owns and would be first big off the bench. Again we won't be very good anyway but my point is with Jones we would have been just a touch better.
At the expense of the future. I would much prefer the minutes go to Owens and RF.
I will give you RF but Owens will be recruited over and in fact he already has.
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With Yakwe, Sima, Amhed and our two other bigs, Jones would have gotten very few minutes off the bench. It was his choice to leave to possibly showcase his talent. Amar, on the other hand, is more than happy to be a role player. He can shoot from beyond the arc and at 6'9 is a better investment this year because we are going to be a guard oriented team. He and Richard will help each other develop nicely. Jones, for all his strength, was a very poor defender. Last year we needed both Amar and Jones for points. This year we have Bashir, Shamorie and Marcus for the points and a lot of skinny bigs who will run the floor in Mullin's offense. Jones was too slow for that offense last year and would have been just as slow this year.
It is not a big deal as Jones certainly wouldn't have made the difference between us making a tourney or not. However my point is I do not feel that there are 8 or 9 guys on the current roster better than him. He absolutely would have been in the rotation .
You and I obviously watched a different Christian Jones over his four years, If you think he would be better than 9 other current players then he would be a starter again. Thankfully the coaches will not have the opportunity to make that mistake. I agree Christian would have gotten minutes but nowhere near the minutes he got last year and since we are not Kentucky I doubt our 8th or 9th man would have been in many scout's recruiting notes. I'd rather see if Mullin and staff can develop and coach the young talent they recruited than relying on a Lavin recruit with sporadic intensity as was his history even if we lose 2 more games because of inside softness.
But, 72, having Jones instead of Amar (who, like Jones, a Lavin recruit) on board would also open a roster spot for a highly rated 2017 recruit -- someone Mullin and staff could "develop and coach" one year earlier than someone replacing Amar's spot in 2018. And if Jones' play the end of last season proves to be an anomaly, well then he'd probably wouldn't see as many minutes as he might want to. But if coming off the bench Jones did, in fact, contribute to the team's having 2 or more wins, as you put it, that could prove to be the difference between post-season play or not ... and making post-season play (or having a respectable won-loss record) could be huge in making St. John's -- and Mullin -- more attractive to recruits.
It appears that Amar plead his way back in. Incredibly likeable kid, loves St Johns, and im sure would rather sit hete than play elsewhere. In our future he is no more than a fairly athletic big body who may be used when a couple of bigs ate in foul trouble and may drain a 3 now andthen . CJones was a model citizen and apparently great teammate also, but Amar is the #1cheerleader who also avails himself when a staffer has a fan who wants to meet a player. Im okay with either or noth having come back . you need solid guys at the back end of the bench
Beast, love that Amar's a great cheerleader, but -- as you put it -- it's about having having solid guys at the end of the bench, and based on last year's performances, I believe Jones would fill that role better. And it's not as if Jones was a poor teammate or a sulking downer when he wasn't in the game; he consistently showed great loyalty to the program and to his teammates. It's great that Amar excels at schmoozing fans -- and, I'm not belittling that; I genuinely admire it -- but I'm more interested in who's going to help us win more games and maybe get to post-season play, and unless Amar miraculously turns around his game, that means Jones would have been the better choice -- plus it would have the added benefit of opening up a roster slot next year for a potentially elite recruit. But that's water under the bridge.
That said, can't wait for the season to start. Think it's going to be a fun-filled season ... provided our expectations are reasonable. And, believe me, I'll definitely will be rooting for Amar to prove me wrong.
See that is the thing most are missing. Not only is Jones way better than Amar, I think Jones would be better than Owns and would be first big off the bench. Again we won't be very good anyway but my point is with Jones we would have been just a touch better.
At the expense of the future. I would much prefer the minutes go to Owens and RF.
I will give you RF but Owens will be recruited over and in fact he already has.
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LOL! I only hope we can recruit over 2 or 3 of our current 3* players with a 5 star player. Just being in the hunt doesn't mean you won't be out foxed in the end as has been our history. As far as Owens vs. Jones, except for physical strength and a stronger low post game Jones had poor hands, was slower than Owens and had virtually no outside game because he couldn't put the ball on the floor. At 6'11 and with 3 years to come off the bench and prove himself Owens is the better investment. HE was never projected to be a starter so what would we be recruiting over? A possible 6th man?
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Yes well anyone can shoot three pointers, that's not much of an epiphany. Anyone can take a reservation. Knowledgeable fans such as myself know that the important metric is how many go in the basket. Or in the case of a 28 percent shooter, how few.
I thought you had Died on us!
And I bet you were worried: if I had you'd have had to find a lesser writer to plagiarize.
Come on Fun get over it!
Mimicking your sarcastic bombastic and derogatory style was too easy! It was deliberately done at a time you were boycotting redmen.com to bring you back into the discussions. As I recalled it worked and as your recent retorts to my brilliant observations proves, I can still get you to post your deeply analytic bursts of insanity by just mentioning how your metrics suck when they are presented in isolation from the general population. Speaking of the general population, we both know we have a tendency to receive warnings here from management so I will be as diplomatic as I can be going forward especially with you as you are the greatest scribe to have ever blessed this fan site. Your deep knowledge and ability to pull statistics out of your arse amazes me to this day! You literally put your finger in my brain every time you post so have a nice day as I will now do the tea bag and go for a walk on this sunny day and catch some cosmic rays. I also promise not to plagiarize as long as you keep us blessed with your presence here on redmen.com. 
I know that I am not the most popular or interesting poster on here but with the season coming up, I hope more posters return and or actively post. I have only been reading this site and posting for a few years but recently some of he better posters have disappeared. Looking forward to an interesting season with a lot of good debate.
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With Yakwe, Sima, Amhed and our two other bigs, Jones would have gotten very few minutes off the bench. It was his choice to leave to possibly showcase his talent. Amar, on the other hand, is more than happy to be a role player. He can shoot from beyond the arc and at 6'9 is a better investment this year because we are going to be a guard oriented team. He and Richard will help each other develop nicely. Jones, for all his strength, was a very poor defender. Last year we needed both Amar and Jones for points. This year we have Bashir, Shamorie and Marcus for the points and a lot of skinny bigs who will run the floor in Mullin's offense. Jones was too slow for that offense last year and would have been just as slow this year.
It is not a big deal as Jones certainly wouldn't have made the difference between us making a tourney or not. However my point is I do not feel that there are 8 or 9 guys on the current roster better than him. He absolutely would have been in the rotation .
You and I obviously watched a different Christian Jones over his four years, If you think he would be better than 9 other current players then he would be a starter again. Thankfully the coaches will not have the opportunity to make that mistake. I agree Christian would have gotten minutes but nowhere near the minutes he got last year and since we are not Kentucky I doubt our 8th or 9th man would have been in many scout's recruiting notes. I'd rather see if Mullin and staff can develop and coach the young talent they recruited than relying on a Lavin recruit with sporadic intensity as was his history even if we lose 2 more games because of inside softness.
But, 72, having Jones instead of Amar (who, like Jones, a Lavin recruit) on board would also open a roster spot for a highly rated 2017 recruit -- someone Mullin and staff could "develop and coach" one year earlier than someone replacing Amar's spot in 2018. And if Jones' play the end of last season proves to be an anomaly, well then he'd probably wouldn't see as many minutes as he might want to. But if coming off the bench Jones did, in fact, contribute to the team's having 2 or more wins, as you put it, that could prove to be the difference between post-season play or not ... and making post-season play (or having a respectable won-loss record) could be huge in making St. John's -- and Mullin -- more attractive to recruits.
It appears that Amar plead his way back in. Incredibly likeable kid, loves St Johns, and im sure would rather sit hete than play elsewhere. In our future he is no more than a fairly athletic big body who may be used when a couple of bigs ate in foul trouble and may drain a 3 now andthen . CJones was a model citizen and apparently great teammate also, but Amar is the #1cheerleader who also avails himself when a staffer has a fan who wants to meet a player. Im okay with either or noth having come back . you need solid guys at the back end of the bench
Beast, love that Amar's a great cheerleader, but -- as you put it -- it's about having having solid guys at the end of the bench, and based on last year's performances, I believe Jones would fill that role better. And it's not as if Jones was a poor teammate or a sulking downer when he wasn't in the game; he consistently showed great loyalty to the program and to his teammates. It's great that Amar excels at schmoozing fans -- and, I'm not belittling that; I genuinely admire it -- but I'm more interested in who's going to help us win more games and maybe get to post-season play, and unless Amar miraculously turns around his game, that means Jones would have been the better choice -- plus it would have the added benefit of opening up a roster slot next year for a potentially elite recruit. But that's water under the bridge.
That said, can't wait for the season to start. Think it's going to be a fun-filled season ... provided our expectations are reasonable. And, believe me, I'll definitely will be rooting for Amar to prove me wrong.
See that is the thing most are missing. Not only is Jones way better than Amar, I think Jones would be better than Owns and would be first big off the bench. Again we won't be very good anyway but my point is with Jones we would have been just a touch better.
At the expense of the future. I would much prefer the minutes go to Owens and RF.
I will give you RF but Owens will be recruited over and in fact he already has.
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Come on Fun get over it!
If I thought you had any sense of shame I'd point out that you're embarrassing yourself. But you don't. So this can just lay here.
Have a nice day.
I disagree. There were times he played well, but there were plenty where he didn't. If he would have played well more consistatly, he would have played more minutes. Especially taking into consideration he was an upperclassman w last years awfull team. I still would have kept him around for this year because he showed potential and it would only be a 1 year investment.
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Come on Fun get over it!
If I thought you had any sense of shame I'd point out that you're embarrassing yourself. But you don't. So this can just lay here.
Have a nice day.
You are correct! Whatever you say in reply is water off a duck's ass as far as I'm concerned. I respect your opinion that your opinion is the only opinion that counts. Let's do lunch someday next time I'm in the Albany area.....which is never.
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With Yakwe, Sima, Amhed and our two other bigs, Jones would have gotten very few minutes off the bench. It was his choice to leave to possibly showcase his talent. Amar, on the other hand, is more than happy to be a role player. He can shoot from beyond the arc and at 6'9 is a better investment this year because we are going to be a guard oriented team. He and Richard will help each other develop nicely. Jones, for all his strength, was a very poor defender. Last year we needed both Amar and Jones for points. This year we have Bashir, Shamorie and Marcus for the points and a lot of skinny bigs who will run the floor in Mullin's offense. Jones was too slow for that offense last year and would have been just as slow this year.
It is not a big deal as Jones certainly wouldn't have made the difference between us making a tourney or not. However my point is I do not feel that there are 8 or 9 guys on the current roster better than him. He absolutely would have been in the rotation .
You and I obviously watched a different Christian Jones over his four years, If you think he would be better than 9 other current players then he would be a starter again. Thankfully the coaches will not have the opportunity to make that mistake. I agree Christian would have gotten minutes but nowhere near the minutes he got last year and since we are not Kentucky I doubt our 8th or 9th man would have been in many scout's recruiting notes. I'd rather see if Mullin and staff can develop and coach the young talent they recruited than relying on a Lavin recruit with sporadic intensity as was his history even if we lose 2 more games because of inside softness.
But, 72, having Jones instead of Amar (who, like Jones, a Lavin recruit) on board would also open a roster spot for a highly rated 2017 recruit -- someone Mullin and staff could "develop and coach" one year earlier than someone replacing Amar's spot in 2018. And if Jones' play the end of last season proves to be an anomaly, well then he'd probably wouldn't see as many minutes as he might want to. But if coming off the bench Jones did, in fact, contribute to the team's having 2 or more wins, as you put it, that could prove to be the difference between post-season play or not ... and making post-season play (or having a respectable won-loss record) could be huge in making St. John's -- and Mullin -- more attractive to recruits.
It appears that Amar plead his way back in. Incredibly likeable kid, loves St Johns, and im sure would rather sit hete than play elsewhere. In our future he is no more than a fairly athletic big body who may be used when a couple of bigs ate in foul trouble and may drain a 3 now andthen . CJones was a model citizen and apparently great teammate also, but Amar is the #1cheerleader who also avails himself when a staffer has a fan who wants to meet a player. Im okay with either or noth having come back . you need solid guys at the back end of the bench
Beast, love that Amar's a great cheerleader, but -- as you put it -- it's about having having solid guys at the end of the bench, and based on last year's performances, I believe Jones would fill that role better. And it's not as if Jones was a poor teammate or a sulking downer when he wasn't in the game; he consistently showed great loyalty to the program and to his teammates. It's great that Amar excels at schmoozing fans -- and, I'm not belittling that; I genuinely admire it -- but I'm more interested in who's going to help us win more games and maybe get to post-season play, and unless Amar miraculously turns around his game, that means Jones would have been the better choice -- plus it would have the added benefit of opening up a roster slot next year for a potentially elite recruit. But that's water under the bridge.
That said, can't wait for the season to start. Think it's going to be a fun-filled season ... provided our expectations are reasonable. And, believe me, I'll definitely will be rooting for Amar to prove me wrong.
See that is the thing most are missing. Not only is Jones way better than Amar, I think Jones would be better than Owns and would be first big off the bench. Again we won't be very good anyway but my point is with Jones we would have been just a touch better.
At the expense of the future. I would much prefer the minutes go to Owens and RF.
I will give you RF but Owens will be recruited over and in fact he already has.
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I think you and others are selling Owens a little short. I think he wil be better than expected.
Jones had plenty of opportunity to play his freshman year, he was a starter for part of the year wasn't he? He also had opportunities his other years here especially last year. If he had played well consistently last year or any other year he was here, the discussions on this thread would be considerably different.
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Jones rarely played well when given the opportunity. He was given more opportunities than he deserved and began last season as a starter. You may selectively choose to remember Jones and his last game as an indicator of his talent. Most sober fans here remember him starting against national powers like Incarnate Word, NJIT and Fordham and us us being embarrassed and humiliated and Jones losing his starting job to the likes of future St. John's legends Felix Balamou and Amar Alibegovic. P.S. he also played (not) well his previous 3 years. I think we should let this argument rest.
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With Yakwe, Sima, Amhed and our two other bigs, Jones would have gotten very few minutes off the bench. It was his choice to leave to possibly showcase his talent. Amar, on the other hand, is more than happy to be a role player. He can shoot from beyond the arc and at 6'9 is a better investment this year because we are going to be a guard oriented team. He and Richard will help each other develop nicely. Jones, for all his strength, was a very poor defender. Last year we needed both Amar and Jones for points. This year we have Bashir, Shamorie and Marcus for the points and a lot of skinny bigs who will run the floor in Mullin's offense. Jones was too slow for that offense last year and would have been just as slow this year.
It is not a big deal as Jones certainly wouldn't have made the difference between us making a tourney or not. However my point is I do not feel that there are 8 or 9 guys on the current roster better than him. He absolutely would have been in the rotation .
You and I obviously watched a different Christian Jones over his four years, If you think he would be better than 9 other current players then he would be a starter again. Thankfully the coaches will not have the opportunity to make that mistake. I agree Christian would have gotten minutes but nowhere near the minutes he got last year and since we are not Kentucky I doubt our 8th or 9th man would have been in many scout's recruiting notes. I'd rather see if Mullin and staff can develop and coach the young talent they recruited than relying on a Lavin recruit with sporadic intensity as was his history even if we lose 2 more games because of inside softness.
But, 72, having Jones instead of Amar (who, like Jones, a Lavin recruit) on board would also open a roster spot for a highly rated 2017 recruit -- someone Mullin and staff could "develop and coach" one year earlier than someone replacing Amar's spot in 2018. And if Jones' play the end of last season proves to be an anomaly, well then he'd probably wouldn't see as many minutes as he might want to. But if coming off the bench Jones did, in fact, contribute to the team's having 2 or more wins, as you put it, that could prove to be the difference between post-season play or not ... and making post-season play (or having a respectable won-loss record) could be huge in making St. John's -- and Mullin -- more attractive to recruits.
It appears that Amar plead his way back in. Incredibly likeable kid, loves St Johns, and im sure would rather sit hete than play elsewhere. In our future he is no more than a fairly athletic big body who may be used when a couple of bigs ate in foul trouble and may drain a 3 now andthen . CJones was a model citizen and apparently great teammate also, but Amar is the #1cheerleader who also avails himself when a staffer has a fan who wants to meet a player. Im okay with either or noth having come back . you need solid guys at the back end of the bench
Beast, love that Amar's a great cheerleader, but -- as you put it -- it's about having having solid guys at the end of the bench, and based on last year's performances, I believe Jones would fill that role better. And it's not as if Jones was a poor teammate or a sulking downer when he wasn't in the game; he consistently showed great loyalty to the program and to his teammates. It's great that Amar excels at schmoozing fans -- and, I'm not belittling that; I genuinely admire it -- but I'm more interested in who's going to help us win more games and maybe get to post-season play, and unless Amar miraculously turns around his game, that means Jones would have been the better choice -- plus it would have the added benefit of opening up a roster slot next year for a potentially elite recruit. But that's water under the bridge.
That said, can't wait for the season to start. Think it's going to be a fun-filled season ... provided our expectations are reasonable. And, believe me, I'll definitely will be rooting for Amar to prove me wrong.
See that is the thing most are missing. Not only is Jones way better than Amar, I think Jones would be better than Owns and would be first big off the bench. Again we won't be very good anyway but my point is with Jones we would have been just a touch better.
At the expense of the future. I would much prefer the minutes go to Owens and RF.
I will give you RF but Owens will be recruited over and in fact he already has.
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Name one game over his career that cj won for us. HInt , it is one less than amar.