Christian Jones Status
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Remember how Lavin originally raved about Jones his freshman year? Then we watched him play for three years we were left wondering what was all the original fuss about. Does history repeat itself in Vegas or did he really turn the corner his last few games here?
He didn't cause any problems and appeared to be a solid teammate and I do wish him well.
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With Yakwe, Sima, Amhed and our two other bigs, Jones would have gotten very few minutes off the bench. It was his choice to leave to possibly showcase his talent. Amar, on the other hand, is more than happy to be a role player. He can shoot from beyond the arc and at 6'9 is a better investment this year because we are going to be a guard oriented team. He and Richard will help each other develop nicely. Jones, for all his strength, was a very poor defender. Last year we needed both Amar and Jones for points. This year we have Bashir, Shamorie and Marcus for the points and a lot of skinny bigs who will run the floor in Mullin's offense. Jones was too slow for that offense last year and would have been just as slow this year.
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You are very likely correct but then again two years ago I attended a lot of CTK and Jefferson games and never saw Lavin once. He did however see players in France, Italy, Florida, California and made a few trips to New Orleans with Mary as they were more exotic recruiting destinations.
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With Yakwe, Sima, Amhed and our two other bigs, Jones would have gotten very few minutes off the bench. It was his choice to leave to possibly showcase his talent. Amar, on the other hand, is more than happy to be a role player. He can shoot from beyond the arc and at 6'9 is a better investment this year because we are going to be a guard oriented team. He and Richard will help each other develop nicely. Jones, for all his strength, was a very poor defender. Last year we needed both Amar and Jones for points. This year we have Bashir, Shamorie and Marcus for the points and a lot of skinny bigs who will run the floor in Mullin's offense. Jones was too slow for that offense last year and would have been just as slow this year.
It is not a big deal as Jones certainly wouldn't have made the difference between us making a tourney or not. However my point is I do not feel that there are 8 or 9 guys on the current roster better than him. He absolutely would have been in the rotation .
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With Yakwe, Sima, Amhed and our two other bigs, Jones would have gotten very few minutes off the bench. It was his choice to leave to possibly showcase his talent. Amar, on the other hand, is more than happy to be a role player. He can shoot from beyond the arc and at 6'9 is a better investment this year because we are going to be a guard oriented team. He and Richard will help each other develop nicely. Jones, for all his strength, was a very poor defender. Last year we needed both Amar and Jones for points. This year we have Bashir, Shamorie and Marcus for the points and a lot of skinny bigs who will run the floor in Mullin's offense. Jones was too slow for that offense last year and would have been just as slow this year.
It is not a big deal as Jones certainly wouldn't have made the difference between us making a tourney or not. However my point is I do not feel that there are 8 or 9 guys on the current roster better than him. He absolutely would have been in the rotation .
You and I obviously watched a different Christian Jones over his four years, If you think he would be better than 9 other current players then he would be a starter again. Thankfully the coaches will not have the opportunity to make that mistake. I agree Christian would have gotten minutes but nowhere near the minutes he got last year and since we are not Kentucky I doubt our 8th or 9th man would have been in many scout's recruiting notes. I'd rather see if Mullin and staff can develop and coach the young talent they recruited than relying on a Lavin recruit with sporadic intensity as was his history even if we lose 2 more games because of inside softness.
With Yakwe, Sima, Amhed and our two other bigs, Jones would have gotten very few minutes off the bench. It was his choice to leave to possibly showcase his talent. Amar, on the other hand, is more than happy to be a role player. He can shoot from beyond the arc and at 6'9 is a better investment this year because we are going to be a guard oriented team. He and Richard will help each other develop nicely. Jones, for all his strength, was a very poor defender. Last year we needed both Amar and Jones for points. This year we have Bashir, Shamorie and Marcus for the points and a lot of skinny bigs who will run the floor in Mullin's offense. Jones was too slow for that offense last year and would have been just as slow this year.
It is not a big deal as Jones certainly wouldn't have made the difference between us making a tourney or not. However my point is I do not feel that there are 8 or 9 guys on the current roster better than him. He absolutely would have been in the rotation .
You and I obviously watched a different Christian Jones over his four years, If you think he would be better than 9 other current players then he would be a starter again. Thankfully the coaches will not have the opportunity to make that mistake. I agree Christian would have gotten minutes but nowhere near the minutes he got last year and since we are not Kentucky I doubt our 8th or 9th man would have been in many scout's recruiting notes. I'd rather see if Mullin and staff can develop and coach the young talent they recruited than relying on a Lavin recruit with sporadic intensity as was his history even if we lose 2 more games because of inside softness.
But, 72, having Jones instead of Amar (who, like Jones, a Lavin recruit) on board would also open a roster spot for a highly rated 2017 recruit -- someone Mullin and staff could "develop and coach" one year earlier than someone replacing Amar's spot in 2018. And if Jones' play the end of last season proves to be an anomaly, well then he'd probably wouldn't see as many minutes as he might want to. But if coming off the bench Jones did, in fact, contribute to the team's having 2 or more wins, as you put it, that could prove to be the difference between post-season play or not ... and making post-season play (or having a respectable won-loss record) could be huge in making St. John's -- and Mullin -- more attractive to recruits.
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With Yakwe, Sima, Amhed and our two other bigs, Jones would have gotten very few minutes off the bench. It was his choice to leave to possibly showcase his talent. Amar, on the other hand, is more than happy to be a role player. He can shoot from beyond the arc and at 6'9 is a better investment this year because we are going to be a guard oriented team. He and Richard will help each other develop nicely. Jones, for all his strength, was a very poor defender. Last year we needed both Amar and Jones for points. This year we have Bashir, Shamorie and Marcus for the points and a lot of skinny bigs who will run the floor in Mullin's offense. Jones was too slow for that offense last year and would have been just as slow this year.
It is not a big deal as Jones certainly wouldn't have made the difference between us making a tourney or not. However my point is I do not feel that there are 8 or 9 guys on the current roster better than him. He absolutely would have been in the rotation .
You and I obviously watched a different Christian Jones over his four years, If you think he would be better than 9 other current players then he would be a starter again. Thankfully the coaches will not have the opportunity to make that mistake. I agree Christian would have gotten minutes but nowhere near the minutes he got last year and since we are not Kentucky I doubt our 8th or 9th man would have been in many scout's recruiting notes. I'd rather see if Mullin and staff can develop and coach the young talent they recruited than relying on a Lavin recruit with sporadic intensity as was his history even if we lose 2 more games because of inside softness.
But, 72, having Jones instead of Amar (who, like Jones, a Lavin recruit) on board would also open a roster spot for a highly rated 2017 recruit -- someone Mullin and staff could "develop and coach" one year earlier than someone replacing Amar's spot in 2018. And if Jones' play the end of last season proves to be an anomaly, well then he'd probably wouldn't see as many minutes as he might want to. But if coming off the bench Jones did, in fact, contribute to the team's having 2 or more wins, as you put it, that could prove to be the difference between post-season play or not ... and making post-season play (or having a respectable won-loss record) could be huge in making St. John's -- and Mullin -- more attractive to recruits.
I'm pretty sure a 2017 spot will open up regardless of Jones' or Amar's status on the team. I liked Jones as a 6th or 7th man but he just was not going to see significant minutes in his final collegiate year and he knew it. He aspires to play pro ball overseas and reverting back to a 10 minute per game sub would have only hurt his chances. He made the right decision. Let's just hope Zach Brown actually materializes next year or we will be continously soft inside. Then again, Marvin Clark is a beast and I hope our kids get bigger and stronger so we will not be having to have discussions about marginal talents like Amar or Jones.
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It is funny, through the years on these boards some players will have one good game out of 5 or 10 and people on here will remember that one good game not the terrible ones. Amar is not a good shooter. Every once in awhile he will have a good game because that is the law of averages. Even bad division 1 players will knock down some shots a couple games a year. But over the course of a season and a career mostly they won't.
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Just about everyone feels that Dlo was a better shooter than PGIV, but in their senior seasons PGIV had a higher shooting % from 2 and 3. He also took fewer shots, and was not keyed on by defenses so he often had better looks than Dlo. So is it all about the %, IDK?
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Statistics are relative to how you want to misrepresent them. Using his stats from his freshman year when we had D'lo, Dom Pointer, Phil G, and others is misleading. Last season as you know he shot over 30% from beyond the arc and he took 60% of all his shots from beyond the arc. Of course that is not wise for a 6'9 player positioned most of the time very far away from the interior but yes, he was able to shoot from long distance on more than 2, 3 or 4 occasions and the main reason we beat Syracuse.
Yeah, yeah, shooting 30 % from 20 feet out is not great but for a kid his size and not being a star or game changer, was he that far from the norm in college basketball?
Maybe not.
Division I teams averaged 67.7 points per game last season, the lowest figure since 1981-82. Field-goal accuracy dipped to 43.3 percent, the lowest level since 1964-65. And 3-point shooting of 33.9 percent was the lowest since the rule was instituted in 1986-87.
So, your Funtastic Stat showed that Amar was suckie from three at 30% but you forgot to mention that in the entire universe of college basketball last year the average, which consisted of the stats of mostly guards, was only 33.9%.
That is a huge difference. ..... in nobody's book.
Boeheim would not have scrapped the 2/3 zone and pressed Mussini all game. That is not what they do. No matter who they play its the 2/3 zone from the start. You can make a case (one that I would believe) that he would have eventually pushed up and pressed in the 2nd half and he might have gone man to man once we got it over half court instead of failling back into the 2/3 which was not working.
Reminds me of a game back in the late 80's where we were playing Cuse at MSG. Sherman Douglas had back spasms and went out early in the game with Cuse having a double digit lead. They had no true back up point so Stevie Thompson wound up playing it. Fans were screaming for us to press to get back into the game since they did not have their PG. We didn't but we did come back to win the game anyway.
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Well, you did a pretty good job of trying to misrepresent his underachieving shooting ability by forgetting to compare him to the average 3 point shooting underachiever which was pretty pedestrian given the national average was a whopping 33.9%. Nice try using his freshman year average to get your rationalized 28% but someone who gets drunk, , as often as you while doing math should not call my ridiculous statement a testament to his shooting prowess when all I said was he can shoot from beyond the arc as opposed to "he is the greatest shooter since Chris Mullin when Chris was sober". Then again since Mullin shot an astounding 38% his entire career shows how terrible and inefficient Amar Alibegovic was last year shooting a horrendous 30.1% from 3 in an era when the average is 33.9%.
Nice going Mano a Mano with you again. Like old times! Ya'LL come back now because I thought you had Died on us!
BTW, your favorite St. John's player and future Hall of Fame coach averaged 26% from 3 his first four years in the NBA. Guinness goes down smooth but leaves a bitter taste from beyond the arc. B)
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With Yakwe, Sima, Amhed and our two other bigs, Jones would have gotten very few minutes off the bench. It was his choice to leave to possibly showcase his talent. Amar, on the other hand, is more than happy to be a role player. He can shoot from beyond the arc and at 6'9 is a better investment this year because we are going to be a guard oriented team. He and Richard will help each other develop nicely. Jones, for all his strength, was a very poor defender. Last year we needed both Amar and Jones for points. This year we have Bashir, Shamorie and Marcus for the points and a lot of skinny bigs who will run the floor in Mullin's offense. Jones was too slow for that offense last year and would have been just as slow this year.
It is not a big deal as Jones certainly wouldn't have made the difference between us making a tourney or not. However my point is I do not feel that there are 8 or 9 guys on the current roster better than him. He absolutely would have been in the rotation .
You and I obviously watched a different Christian Jones over his four years, If you think he would be better than 9 other current players then he would be a starter again. Thankfully the coaches will not have the opportunity to make that mistake. I agree Christian would have gotten minutes but nowhere near the minutes he got last year and since we are not Kentucky I doubt our 8th or 9th man would have been in many scout's recruiting notes. I'd rather see if Mullin and staff can develop and coach the young talent they recruited than relying on a Lavin recruit with sporadic intensity as was his history even if we lose 2 more games because of inside softness.
But, 72, having Jones instead of Amar (who, like Jones, a Lavin recruit) on board would also open a roster spot for a highly rated 2017 recruit -- someone Mullin and staff could "develop and coach" one year earlier than someone replacing Amar's spot in 2018. And if Jones' play the end of last season proves to be an anomaly, well then he'd probably wouldn't see as many minutes as he might want to. But if coming off the bench Jones did, in fact, contribute to the team's having 2 or more wins, as you put it, that could prove to be the difference between post-season play or not ... and making post-season play (or having a respectable won-loss record) could be huge in making St. John's -- and Mullin -- more attractive to recruits.
It appears that Amar plead his way back in. Incredibly likeable kid, loves St Johns, and im sure would rather sit hete than play elsewhere. In our future he is no more than a fairly athletic big body who may be used when a couple of bigs ate in foul trouble and may drain a 3 now andthen . CJones was a model citizen and apparently great teammate also, but Amar is the #1cheerleader who also avails himself when a staffer has a fan who wants to meet a player. Im okay with either or noth having come back . you need solid guys at the back end of the bench