If he picks Temple over us because he thinks they are a better program will you agree? I have never heard of a mid-major making a seamless transition into major hoops. They won't be playing Charlotte, Fordham, URI, LaSalle, GW, etc. they will be playing SJ, Seton Hall, Providence, Nova, UConn, etc. The level of competition is totally different. Are you implying that Temple will come in here with basically no nationally known recruits and dominate the Big East? They were borderline ranked in the A10...in the Big East they will get beat up at first until they get used to it. All I'm saying is, he will pick SJ if he wants to go to the better program.
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wouldn't necessarily mean he thinks temple is a better program than us if he picked them just like Jakarr picking us doesn't mean he thinks we are a better program than kansas.
could just mean the kid likes a school better or location or thinks its just a better fit for playing time etc
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Out of those teams you mentioned they are better than Hall and Providence without question.
Mid major teams don't win that many games by accident.
I never implied anything you mentioned about about dominating the BE. Temple can slide right into the BE this year and fall into the 6-10 range without question.
Its his hometown team now playing in the same conference as us. Now if he picked St. Joe's you'd have all the argument in the world. But even then some would point to Martelli having 2 players still in the NBA that play his position.
6-10 range without question? Wow. So they are just going to come in here and beat up on UConn, Nova, USF, Cincy, SJ, etc.? As I said...they aren't in Kansas anymore...the competition is not even close between BE and A10. Siena was consistently on the verge of being ranked a few years ago...does that mean they can play in the Big East and have the same success? The only way you believe Temple easily slips into #6 in the Big East is if you believe the Big East is weak. Look at the teams I listed before...those were all gimmes for Temple. I can understand if you are talking about Memphis seamlessly having BE success, but Temple is going to get banged up here early on. I never said they won't eventually have success, but certainly no NCAA's for a few years.
So you think there will be almost no transition from mid major to major? Like I said their best recruit right now is 3 stars. 4 star recruits are now common on UConn, SJ, Nova, G'Town, Cincy, Prov, SH (Carr), L'Ville, etc. Who do you think they will be better than in the Big East? I would say Cincy, Nova, G'Town, USF, SJ, L'Ville, Memphis, UConn, Marquette, etc. are all better than Temple. Maybe they finish 10-13th their first season here. No more cupcakes.
Temple probably becomes (on average) the 8th best team in the new Big East.
UCONN, Lousiville, Georgetown, St Johns (hopefully), Villanova, Cinncinnatti, Marquette, Memphis
probably all will have better programs in most years. After that? I'd take temple over pretty much everyone else.
That makes them a bubble team most years. So yes, they will have a drop off because they won't be 1st or 2nd in their conference every season anymore. But they're a good program, don't sleep on Temple.
That said, like I mentioned and others have echoed - kids pick schools for a variety of reasons, and location and relationship with the coach are really high on the list. If Jordan stays in Philly that doesn't tell me Lavin made any mistakes necessarily, or we need to make any changes to the program.
Can't use any one recruit as a test, because 18yr olds are fickle. Look at the class as a whole. If coach can't land any of the top 10 kids he's targeted... then there's a problem.
UCONN, Lousiville, Georgetown, St Johns (hopefully), Villanova, Cinncinnatti, Marquette, Memphis
probably all will have better programs in most years. After that? I'd take temple over pretty much everyone else.
That makes them a bubble team most years. So yes, they will have a drop off because they won't be 1st or 2nd in their conference every season anymore. But they're a good program, don't sleep on Temple.
That said, like I mentioned and others have echoed - kids pick schools for a variety of reasons, and location and relationship with the coach are really high on the list. If Jordan stays in Philly that doesn't tell me Lavin made any mistakes necessarily, or we need to make any changes to the program.
Can't use any one recruit as a test, because 18yr olds are fickle. Look at the class as a whole. If coach can't land any of the top 10 kids he's targeted... then there's a problem.
Joe3, you don't even know what you don't know. Keep posting.
Temple would be in the running for 6-11 in the league this year. ESPN has them at 42 in the country (SJ 75) which would put them in 8th in the conference. Give them the BE name and they'll be a contender for top half of the conference very quickly. They may not be in the top quarter for a little while but the worst thing you could do is take them for granted.
Like others pointed out historically they've been a great program including 5 Elite 8's in the 14 years between '88 an '01. The program is as well known as STJ nationally.
They may be mid major but they've been to 5 straight tourneys. Fran Dunphy is a tremendous BE level coach. They had their share of marquis wins over that period as well as a pretty good record against the BE. They always have a very strong OOC SOS, this year they play Syracuse, Duke and Kansas.
11/12: Beat Nova, lost to USF in 1st round (Beat #3 Duke as well) 24-8 RPI 20
10/11: Beat Hall, #10 Gtown and lost to #8 Nova by 4 at Nova, lost to #2 seed SD St in the 2nd round in double OT 26-8 RPI 27
9/10: Lost GTown and STJ, beat #3 Nova and Hall, lost in 1st round of tourney, 29-6 RPI 11
8/9: Lost to Nova, beat #8 Tennessee, lost in first round 22-12 RPI 33
7/8: Lost to Prov and Nova, lost in 1st round 21-13 RPI 51
There are very few programs in the US that wouldn't want their record.
Temple would be in the running for 6-11 in the league this year. ESPN has them at 42 in the country (SJ 75) which would put them in 8th in the conference. Give them the BE name and they'll be a contender for top half of the conference very quickly. They may not be in the top quarter for a little while but the worst thing you could do is take them for granted.
Like others pointed out historically they've been a great program including 5 Elite 8's in the 14 years between '88 an '01. The program is as well known as STJ nationally.
They may be mid major but they've been to 5 straight tourneys. Fran Dunphy is a tremendous BE level coach. They had their share of marquis wins over that period as well as a pretty good record against the BE. They always have a very strong OOC SOS, this year they play Syracuse, Duke and Kansas.
11/12: Beat Nova, lost to USF in 1st round (Beat #3 Duke as well) 24-8 RPI 20
10/11: Beat Hall, #10 Gtown and lost to #8 Nova by 4 at Nova, lost to #2 seed SD St in the 2nd round in double OT 26-8 RPI 27
9/10: Lost GTown and STJ, beat #3 Nova and Hall, lost in 1st round of tourney, 29-6 RPI 11
8/9: Lost to Nova, beat #8 Tennessee, lost in first round 22-12 RPI 33
7/8: Lost to Prov and Nova, lost in 1st round 21-13 RPI 51
There are very few programs in the US that wouldn't want their record.
That's a good point...their recruiting should improve as they have more to offer now as a major conference team. I think for their first season though they will struggle. Playing one stud team after another will wear an A10 team down. Instead of only having Xavier, Butler, VCU and St. Louis as the biggest studs, they will have over 10 teams that can overpower them any given day. There really are no teams anymore in the Big East that you can call a cupcake. Even teams like DePaul and Providence will sneak up on you and knock off top teams. Can't say that about Charlotte, Duquense, URI, GW, Fordham, LaSalle, etc. I do understand though that Temple being good is important to us since it will strengthen our conference, so I wish them well (just not vs. us!).
First, how can Joe3 bet his reputation as a whippersnapper hothead who doesn't know if the ball has air or feathers in it? That has negative value. It would be like putting up a debt as collateral. ; )
Second, sorry but I thought you were referring to this year during which Temple is most likely going to be better than UConn. That's what I was referring to. It remains to be seen if Kevin Ollie can keep the program at the lofty heights that Calhoun had it at but I don't think they'll become Rutgers either. Temple will catch up with the middle of the BE quickly. Will Uconn remain in the middle of the BE or return to their glory level is the bigger question. I see that as a 50/50 proposition but everything Uconn was and achieved was due to Calhoun and he's gone.
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Looks like he is trying to re classify
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcspo...s-mccullough-is-trying-to-reclassify-to-2013/
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcspo...s-mccullough-is-trying-to-reclassify-to-2013/