Catholics A Minority

 Marist is clearly not an "Average" school for undergrad. Average would be going to a SUNY like Oneonta, Cortland, or going to Suffolk or Nassau CC. Marist accepts 36% of applicants making it a top 100 or 150 in the nation I believe in terms of selectivity. By the way, that's out of thousands of colleges. Its nickname is not "Harvard on the Hudson" for nothing. My sister had a 4.0 and an nearly a 2000 on the new SAT and got rejected at Marist. IQ has only risen, you can go look it up yourself.

"No one takes the Bible literally any more as you know"

No I don't know that. I know many DO take the Bible literally today. There was some poll where like 50% of Americans believe the Bible literally. That is VERY scary I think we can both agree. You have all these hateful groups like the Tea Party and the Westboro Baptist Church who believe in literal interpretations and prevent civil rights as a result. It's nonsense.
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"No one takes the Bible literally any more as you know"

No I don't know that. I know many DO take the Bible literally today. There was some poll where like 50% of Americans believe the Bible literally".

You see Joe, even a Marist grad can learn something new! Those 50% you quote must be southern Baptists! LOL! Most Catholic theologians have a very "modern" interpretation of the Bible today.
Marist is an excellent school and its student profile is very similar to Villanova----White, upper-middle class and from the suburbs. Visit Chaminade HS and visit Marist and the only difference in the students will be that the Marist kids will be a little older. That has a lot to do with its academic profile. Although many of the Marist grads claim to be liberal, left-leaning progressives, by the time they marry they are most likely to marry a fellow Catholic, in a Catholic ceremony, in a "White", upper-middle-class Lonnng Island town and live in a highly segregated community and eventually record every show that Bill O'Reilly is on. LOL!
A daughter of a close friend in a LI community recently was accepted to Marist. She was also accepted to SJ on a full scholarship. She will have to
(the parents will have to) pay her own way. I asked her dad why would she give up a full ride when he was already paying for 2 other kids at private colleges Whatever Joe..........it is nice to have you in the 50% Catholic St. John's University. We accept atheists such as you unlike the Campus Ministry at Marist that you may have belonged to for better housing. LOL!
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and he said SJ was "too diversified" for their daughter.

Then why apply?
Did she think all the minorities were going to transfer out?
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They compared the visits to the schools and needless to say, Marist was very "different". It is one thing to see statistics on paper and another to see it in person. Half of the SJ tour group were minorities while at Marist it was less than 10 %. When you have lived in suburban Suffolk county all your life, that is a huge disparity for some. 
 
I'm a big fan of a meritocracy.

If you have the grades and extra curricular activities required by the admissions office you have earned the right to enroll, no matter what your heritage. 

Realize this has been a hot button issue in California particularly to UCLA (as you addressed), UCSD and Cal.

If UCLA was 100% Asian that would be OK with me if I was a California tax payer. The kids who were accepted and enrolled deserve to be there.

No one should be frozen out because of their race, creed or color if they are among the very best candidates applying.   
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I agree completely.
 
 Marist is clearly not an "Average" school for undergrad. Average would be going to a SUNY like Oneonta, Cortland, or going to Suffolk or Nassau CC. Marist accepts 36% of applicants making it a top 100 or 150 in the nation I believe in terms of selectivity. By the way, that's out of thousands of colleges. Its nickname is not "Harvard on the Hudson" for nothing. My sister had a 4.0 and an nearly a 2000 on the new SAT and got rejected at Marist. IQ has only risen, you can go look it up yourself.

"No one takes the Bible literally any more as you know"

No I don't know that. I know many DO take the Bible literally today. There was some poll where like 50% of Americans believe the Bible literally. That is VERY scary I think we can both agree. You have all these hateful groups like the Tea Party and the Westboro Baptist Church who believe in literal interpretations and prevent civil rights as a result. It's nonsense.
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"No one takes the Bible literally any more as you know"

No I don't know that. I know many DO take the Bible literally today. There was some poll where like 50% of Americans believe the Bible literally".











You see Joe, even a Marist grad can learn something new! Those 50% you quote must be southern Baptists! LOL! Most Catholic theologians have a very "modern" interpretation of the Bible today.
Marist is an excellent school and its student profile is very similar to Villanova----White, upper-middle class and from the suburbs. Visit Chaminade HS and visit Marist and the only difference in the students will be that the Marist kids will be a little older. That has a lot to do with its academic profile. Although many of the Marist grads claim to be liberal, left-leaning progressives, by the time they marry they are most likely to marry a fellow Catholic, in a Catholic ceremony, in a "White", upper-middle-class Lonnng Island town and live in a highly segregated community and eventually record every show that Bill O'Reilly is on. LOL!
A daughter of a close friend in a LI community recently was accepted to Marist. She was also accepted to SJ on a full scholarship. She will have to
(the parents will have to) pay her own way. I asked her dad why would she give up a full ride when he was already paying for 2 other kids at private colleges Whatever Joe..........it is nice to have you in the 50% Catholic St. John's University. We accept atheists such as you unlike the Campus Ministry at Marist that you may have belonged to for better housing. LOL!
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and he said SJ was "too diversified" for their daughter.

Then why apply?
Did she think all the minorities were going to transfer out?
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They compared the visits to the schools and needless to say, Marist was very "different". It is one thing to see statistics on paper and another to see it in person. Half of the SJ tour group were minorities while at Marist it was less than 10 %. When you have lived in suburban Suffolk county all your life, that is a huge disparity for some. 
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So when she graduates, where does she look for a job?
Utah sounds perfect.
 
 I can't argue with the fact that Marist is mostly white from LI, NYC, Westchester, CT, and NJ. But, actually when I became an upperclassmen, I did notice more minorities...there are more than you would think but clearly it's still dominated by white students. My sister's undergrad school Providence makes Marist look like SJ in terms of diversity lol. Providence was actually ranked one of the most homogeneous student populations in the nation.

As for that girl, congrats to her for getting the full ride at SJ and picking Marist...both great schools and can't really go wrong. I believe that diversity is something that doesn't need to be shoved down people's throats. If you like to be around your own kind and that makes you most comfortable, then I think that's fine. Groups tend to form cliques anyway. At Marist the latinos stuck together, the blacks usually stuck together, the whites usually stuck together, and there were even bars known as more of an Italian kid hangout with people from Staten Island and LI. People don't have to go to SJ if they don't want due to its diversity. It's not for everyone. The media will say that's racist, but it's not. Some people have serious white guilt issues and don't know how to act among blacks and latinos. The Marist students were such a tight knit family...I've never seen anything like it and there were still 5,000 people. I think the fact that we all had similar backgrounds brought us closer together. It helps you relate to others easier.

By the way, I find it interesting that "diversity" is only brought up when there are "too many" white people. You don't hear the media crying that historically black colleges need to be more "diverse". Just interesting to think about.
 
Hello TIS,

I think a lot of these kids are all for diversity (in theory) as long as it isn't too much diversity !!! 

They are only on board with the concept of diversity if the student body (or a corporation) is 75%-80% white !  


Joe3 ..... Found it interesting that your sister went to Providence since it is one of the most CATHOLIC schools in the country. I guess she doesn't share your world view. Is that true ??? 

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=4054
 
FYi..Info on Marist from U.S. News (as of 2010)

http://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/marist-college-2765/applying/entering-class-stats

Would think Joe's sister would have earned a full ride or close to one at St. John's (4.0 GPA and I would guess her SAT would be around the 1300 give or take under the old scoring system of 1600).

She is obviously a very, very good student. Certainly on par, at the very least, with many of those in the St. John's Pharmacy program.

Out of idle curiosity where is she going and where else did she apply ??

"Harvard on the Hudson", is a bit of a stretch. Marist is a good school, no doubt, but not let's get "nuts" here.

It's sort of like when Ronald Reagan called St. John's "The new Harvard" when he was POTUS.

Info on St. John's:

http://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/st.-john's-university-2823/applying/entering-class-stats

   
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I always laugh when Marist proclaims itself as a Harvard on the Hudson. What makes Marist a very attractive academic school is the students and not any of its academic programs. It's public opinion institute coupled with its relationship with nearby IBM have given it a good reputation. However, its academic departments are nothing special and certainly not Harvard-like in any stretch of the imagination. It has become a very good choice for white parents to send their academically high achieving daughters from the lily white suburbs. Funny that a school that was an average academic school when I graduated high school in the 60's and was all male transformed its academic image when girls started to be accepted that had higher academic profiles than the male students. It is also ironic that today something like 60% of the students are female. LOL! Girl power is in full swing at Marist!
 
Hello TIS,

I think a lot of these kids are all for diversity (in theory) as long as it isn't too much diversity !!! 

They are only on board with the concept of diversity if the student body (or a corporation) is 75%-80% white !  


Joe3 ..... Found it interesting that your sister went to Providence since it is one of the most CATHOLIC schools in the country. I guess she doesn't share your world view. Is that true ??? 

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=4054
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Still smacks of racism Kevin.
NYC's white population is a staggering 44.6%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_New_York_City
 
Tom,

I assume when you say racism you are referring to the kid who is OK with diversity as long as it is a ratio of 80% white and 20% "minority" and are not directed at me. It was a tad unclear to me.

Yes, NYC's white population is under 50%, however a fair number of the kids (as well as their parents) that will not consider applying to St. John's, due to its diverse student body, are from Long Island and attend predominately "white" schools.


 
 
FYi..Info on Marist from U.S. News (as of 2010)

http://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/marist-college-2765/applying/entering-class-stats

Would think Joe's sister would have earned a full ride or close to one at St. John's (4.0 GPA and I would guess her SAT would be around the 1300 give or take under the old scoring system of 1600).

She is obviously a very, very good student. Certainly on par, at the very least, with many of those in the St. John's Pharmacy program.

Out of idle curiosity where is she going and where else did she apply ??

"Harvard on the Hudson", is a bit of a stretch. Marist is a good school, no doubt, but not let's get "nuts" here.

It's sort of like when Ronald Reagan called St. John's "The new Harvard" when he was POTUS.

Info on St. John's:

http://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/st.-john's-university-2823/applying/entering-class-stats

   
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I always laugh when Marist proclaims itself as a Harvard on the Hudson. What makes Marist a very attractive academic school is the students and not any of its academic programs. It's public opinion institute coupled with its relationship with nearby IBM have given it a good reputation. However, its academic departments are nothing special and certainly not Harvard-like in any stretch of the imagination. It has become a very good choice for white parents to send their academically high achieving daughters from the lily white suburbs. Funny that a school that was an average academic school when I graduated high school in the 60's and was all male transformed its academic image when girls started to be accepted that had higher academic profiles than the male students. It is also ironic that today something like 60% of the students are female. LOL! Girl power is in full swing at Marist!
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You clearly are from a TOTALLY different era. Marist is 180 degrees from where it was then. Obviously the "Harvard on the Hudson" tab isn't meant to be literal. The fact is, it's a very good school on par with Villanova and in Boston College territory. It's ranked about 10th I think in Master's Colleges in the North Region. That's pretty damn good. If you are thinking of Marist from the 60's and 70's or even 80's then you have no idea what it's like today. Marist was rated as having one of the best libraries, one of the most selective 100 or 150 colleges in the NATION, a beautiful campus, Marist Poll is well-known and used by MSNBC, IBM is partners with us, and we were rated one of the top "technologically advanced" campuses in the nation. We recently received an entire mansion and a $65 million dollar gift. The place is absolutely pristine and sits right on the edge of the Hudson. People are serious about academics there...it seems everyone I met transferred credits from AP exams in HS. Most students seemed to go to private high school's as well. Yes there are lots of girls there...I didn't find that to be a problem...I enjoyed the hell out of it. It's the same at most colleges anyway not just Marist...there are much more girls going to college. One of my professors went to Harvard for his BS, UNC Chapel Hill for his MS, and Duke for his Ph.D...this is not a SUNY school as you make it seem...it's much more prestigious and you can sense it on campus. I'm not trying to make it seem like a Duke or Wake Forest, but it's definitely a top tier college in the region. 
 
Diversity at Marist FYI

http://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/marist-college-2765/student-life/student-body 

On a par with Villanova and in BC territory ???

Boston College is a top 30 school (Best National Universities) according to the latest U.S. News and World Report ranking (2012 edition).

Best Regional (top 15) Universities (North)

In order:

Villanova, Fairfield, Loyola (Maryland), College of N.J., Providence, Bentley, Rochester Inst. of Tech., St. Joe's (Pa.), SUNY-Geneseo, University of Scranton, Ithaca, Quinnipiac, Marist, Emerson and Manhattan College. 

Just out of curiosity how would you compare your alma mater with Fordham Rose Hill or Holy Cross ?? 
 
Tom,

I assume when you say racism you are referring to the kid who is OK with diversity as long as it is a ratio of 80% white and 20% "minority" and are not directed at me. It was a tad unclear to me.

Yes, NYC's white population is under 50%, however a fair number of the kids (as well as their parents) that will not consider applying to St. John's, due to its diverse student body, are from Long Island and attend predominately "white" schools.


 
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Not at all directed at you.
Just trying to make the point that some of these people will do anything to avoid diversity.
 
I've read some of this thread and am disturbed that some of the posters would criticize someone for going to a school that was objectively better than SJU academically. If anyone has been on campus lately, and I don't mean at Carnesseca, the University's standards are objectively lower than most of the schools mentioned above. I have gone to lectures and other events on campus, have met a number of really nice and smart kids, but I have also seen more remedial and less academically oriented kids as well. At times, it looks more like a high school than a college.

To infer that a kid is racist or afraid of a diverse setting by opting to go to Villanova, BC, Fordham, Providence, Georgetown or the like or another similar school over SJU (even w/ a generous schollie from SJU) is just ridiculous. Many of those schools are VERY diverse, and in VERY diverse settings, by the way.

My 2 kids both received full or almost full rides from SJU and I, as someone who loves SJU dearly, and who has been rewarded by a lifetime of wonderful results for having attended and obtained 2 degrees at SJU, would never have asked them to forgo going to the schools they attended (though I would have loved them to attend alma mater). The schools they attended were both ranked higher, and had student bodies and facilities and resources better than SJU's. Those schools offered more opportunities to them than SJU would have. SJU serves a very important purpose, but I told my kids that they should go to the best schools that they could get into. Many don't have that option, but my kids did, and that's what they did. Neither is a racist, and both have had a long exposure to "diversity" in all aspects of their lives, including in our hometown.

Parents can expose their kids to diversity in a lot of ways and don't have to send them to a particular school or college to prove that they're not racist or to show how open minded they are.
 
To my knowledge, the "best" Catholic Schools east of the Missisippi, in terms of the admissions process, would be

1. Notre Dame
2. Georgetown
3. Holy Cross
4. Boston College
5. VIllanova
6. Providence

I would guess that many would think that Fordham may be a better school than Providence, but for some reason accepts many students early action with lower SAT scores than the other schools on my list. Boston College and VIllanova are very close - Villanova's Business school has been consistently rated higher than BC's, but Boston Colllege has a little more cache, Boston a more desirable location, and therefore takes slightly higher SATs to get in. Providence appears to have occupied the 5th place as the next best option for Catholic kids wanting a Catholic University, maybe for the reasons cited here.


quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=30992]Diversity at Marist FYI

http://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/marist-college-2765/student-life/student-body 

On a par with Villanova and in BC territory ???

Boston College is a top 30 school (Best National Universities) according to the latest U.S. News and World Report ranking (2012 edition).

Best Regional (top 15) Universities (North)

In order:

Villanova, Fairfield, Loyola (Maryland), College of N.J., Providence, Bentley, Rochester Inst. of Tech., St. Joe's (Pa.), SUNY-Geneseo, University of Scranton, Ithaca, Quinnipiac, Marist, Emerson and Manhattan College. 

Just out of curiosity how would you compare your alma mater with Fordham Rose Hill or Holy Cross ?? [/quote]  
 
To my knowledge, the "best" Catholic Schools east of the Missisippi, in terms of the admissions process, would be

1. Notre Dame
2. Georgetown
3. Holy Cross
4. Boston College
5. VIllanova
6. Providence

I would guess that many would think that Fordham may be a better school than Providence, but for some reason accepts many students early action with lower SAT scores than the other schools on my list. Boston College and VIllanova are very close - Villanova's Business school has been consistently rated higher than BC's, but Boston Colllege has a little more cache, Boston a more desirable location, and therefore takes slightly higher SATs to get in. Providence appears to have occupied the 5th place as the next best option for Catholic kids wanting a Catholic University, maybe for the reasons cited here.

St. John's and MArist would be further down on the list, below Loyola, Fairfield, LeMoyne, Stonehill, and several other schools


quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=30992]Diversity at Marist FYI

http://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/marist-college-2765/student-life/student-body 

On a par with Villanova and in BC territory ???

Boston College is a top 30 school (Best National Universities) according to the latest U.S. News and World Report ranking (2012 edition).

Best Regional (top 15) Universities (North)

In order:

Villanova, Fairfield, Loyola (Maryland), College of N.J., Providence, Bentley, Rochester Inst. of Tech., St. Joe's (Pa.), SUNY-Geneseo, University of Scranton, Ithaca, Quinnipiac, Marist, Emerson and Manhattan College. 

Just out of curiosity how would you compare your alma mater with Fordham Rose Hill or Holy Cross ?? [/quote]   
 
FYi..Info on Marist from U.S. News (as of 2010)

http://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/marist-college-2765/applying/entering-class-stats

Would think Joe's sister would have earned a full ride or close to one at St. John's (4.0 GPA and I would guess her SAT would be around the 1300 give or take under the old scoring system of 1600).

She is obviously a very, very good student. Certainly on par, at the very least, with many of those in the St. John's Pharmacy program.

Out of idle curiosity where is she going and where else did she apply ??

"Harvard on the Hudson", is a bit of a stretch. Marist is a good school, no doubt, but not let's get "nuts" here.

It's sort of like when Ronald Reagan called St. John's "The new Harvard" when he was POTUS.

Info on St. John's:

http://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/st.-john's-university-2823/applying/entering-class-stats

   
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I always laugh when Marist proclaims itself as a Harvard on the Hudson. What makes Marist a very attractive academic school is the students and not any of its academic programs. It's public opinion institute coupled with its relationship with nearby IBM have given it a good reputation. However, its academic departments are nothing special and certainly not Harvard-like in any stretch of the imagination. It has become a very good choice for white parents to send their academically high achieving daughters from the lily white suburbs. Funny that a school that was an average academic school when I graduated high school in the 60's and was all male transformed its academic image when girls started to be accepted that had higher academic profiles than the male students. It is also ironic that today something like 60% of the students are female. LOL! Girl power is in full swing at Marist!
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You clearly are from a TOTALLY different era. Marist is 180 degrees from where it was then. Obviously the "Harvard on the Hudson" tab isn't meant to be literal. The fact is, it's a very good school on par with Villanova and in Boston College territory. It's ranked about 10th I think in Master's Colleges in the North Region. That's pretty damn good. If you are thinking of Marist from the 60's and 70's or even 80's then you have no idea what it's like today. Marist was rated as having one of the best libraries, one of the most selective 100 or 150 colleges in the NATION, a beautiful campus, Marist Poll is well-known and used by MSNBC, IBM is partners with us, and we were rated one of the top "technologically advanced" campuses in the nation. We recently received an entire mansion and a $65 million dollar gift. The place is absolutely pristine and sits right on the edge of the Hudson. People are serious about academics there...it seems everyone I met transferred credits from AP exams in HS. Most students seemed to go to private high school's as well. Yes there are lots of girls there...I didn't find that to be a problem...I enjoyed the hell out of it. It's the same at most colleges anyway not just Marist...there are much more girls going to college. One of my professors went to Harvard for his BS, UNC Chapel Hill for his MS, and Duke for his Ph.D...this is not a SUNY school as you make it seem...it's much more prestigious and you can sense it on campus. I'm not trying to make it seem like a Duke or Wake Forest, but it's definitely a top tier college in the region. 
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LMAO Joe!! Of course I am from a different era!! I stated as much above and I think my screen name gives me away. LOL! When I applied to colleges in 1967 Marist I believe was still an all male school made up of dorky Catholic school boys. You confirmed everything I stated yet come across defensively??? As for the Marist of today what I did not mention was that my godchild played soccer there and, yes, he went to a Catholic school on LI. BTW, he got a soccer ship at Marist and was recruited by Dr, Mazur but was not offered.......hence Marist. He graduated a few years ago and his dad and I made many trips to watch him play. It has a beautiful campus and many of the students there could easily get into schools like Fordham, NYU and St. John's but to be frank Joe, many of these kids' parents find those schools to be too risky for their self-absorbed, pompous and spoiled little academic wonders. NYU is too urban in the big bad CITY, Fordham is surrounded by the BRONX and SJ is too African-American. My friend's daughter will major in education and she was accepted to SJ and Hofstra with full scholarships, NYU with a partial and Fordham with a partial, and yet she chose Marist even though the other schools have better education programs and are much better connected to New York area school districts. Quite frankly, growing up in a Long Island cocoon ethnically has done little for her fear of minorities--- and I do not mean the many Asians now populating our schools. So do not take offense if what I say stings a little. Marist kids are not attracted to Marist because of its great football tradition, its IBM-wired campus (so is SJ BTW) or its great Law, Medical or Engineering schools. These bright white kids want to be with kids just like themselves and Marist is the ideal place for them. Eventually, many have to live in the big bad world of multi-culturalism and end up working in the big bad CITY.
 
Diversity at Marist FYI

http://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/marist-college-2765/student-life/student-body 

On a par with Villanova and in BC territory ???

Boston College is a top 30 school (Best National Universities) according to the latest U.S. News and World Report ranking (2012 edition).

Best Regional (top 15) Universities (North)

In order:

Villanova, Fairfield, Loyola (Maryland), College of N.J., Providence, Bentley, Rochester Inst. of Tech., St. Joe's (Pa.), SUNY-Geneseo, University of Scranton, Ithaca, Quinnipiac, Marist, Emerson and Manhattan College. 

Just out of curiosity how would you compare your alma mater with Fordham Rose Hill or Holy Cross ?? 
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That's also one ranking...they vary depending on who you consult. Marist is much more selective than Scranton, Ithaca, Quinnipiac, etc. It doesn't show selectivity there. You really think "College of NJ" is better? I haven't even ever heard of that. Fairfield is basically the same as Marist...no better, no worse. Villanova is a little better, but many people who apply to Marist also apply to BC, Nova, BU, NYU, etc. I would know...I just went through the process not you. Marist has also been named one of the top "up and coming" schools in the nation. Meaning it's not done yet climbing in the rankings. There were also rumors Marist is trying to become Marist University which would make our brand stronger and offer more on the campus. Marist started out as a dead average school for boys, and has blossomed into a top tier college on the East Coast. Marist is very similar to Fordham that's another school people usually get into if you ask around at Marist. Fordham is perhaps a bit tougher, but in the same exact territory. I'm not trying to exaggerate and say it's UNC Chapel Hill or some Ivy...all I say is Marist commands lots of respect and is in the same ballpark as the BC's, Nova's, NYU's, etc.
 
FYi..Info on Marist from U.S. News (as of 2010)

http://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/marist-college-2765/applying/entering-class-stats

Would think Joe's sister would have earned a full ride or close to one at St. John's (4.0 GPA and I would guess her SAT would be around the 1300 give or take under the old scoring system of 1600).

She is obviously a very, very good student. Certainly on par, at the very least, with many of those in the St. John's Pharmacy program.

Out of idle curiosity where is she going and where else did she apply ??

"Harvard on the Hudson", is a bit of a stretch. Marist is a good school, no doubt, but not let's get "nuts" here.

It's sort of like when Ronald Reagan called St. John's "The new Harvard" when he was POTUS.

Info on St. John's:

http://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/st.-john's-university-2823/applying/entering-class-stats

   
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I always laugh when Marist proclaims itself as a Harvard on the Hudson. What makes Marist a very attractive academic school is the students and not any of its academic programs. It's public opinion institute coupled with its relationship with nearby IBM have given it a good reputation. However, its academic departments are nothing special and certainly not Harvard-like in any stretch of the imagination. It has become a very good choice for white parents to send their academically high achieving daughters from the lily white suburbs. Funny that a school that was an average academic school when I graduated high school in the 60's and was all male transformed its academic image when girls started to be accepted that had higher academic profiles than the male students. It is also ironic that today something like 60% of the students are female. LOL! Girl power is in full swing at Marist!
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You clearly are from a TOTALLY different era. Marist is 180 degrees from where it was then. Obviously the "Harvard on the Hudson" tab isn't meant to be literal. The fact is, it's a very good school on par with Villanova and in Boston College territory. It's ranked about 10th I think in Master's Colleges in the North Region. That's pretty damn good. If you are thinking of Marist from the 60's and 70's or even 80's then you have no idea what it's like today. Marist was rated as having one of the best libraries, one of the most selective 100 or 150 colleges in the NATION, a beautiful campus, Marist Poll is well-known and used by MSNBC, IBM is partners with us, and we were rated one of the top "technologically advanced" campuses in the nation. We recently received an entire mansion and a $65 million dollar gift. The place is absolutely pristine and sits right on the edge of the Hudson. People are serious about academics there...it seems everyone I met transferred credits from AP exams in HS. Most students seemed to go to private high school's as well. Yes there are lots of girls there...I didn't find that to be a problem...I enjoyed the hell out of it. It's the same at most colleges anyway not just Marist...there are much more girls going to college. One of my professors went to Harvard for his BS, UNC Chapel Hill for his MS, and Duke for his Ph.D...this is not a SUNY school as you make it seem...it's much more prestigious and you can sense it on campus. I'm not trying to make it seem like a Duke or Wake Forest, but it's definitely a top tier college in the region. 
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LMAO Joe!! Of course I am from a different era!! I stated as much above and I think my screen name gives me away. LOL! When I applied to colleges in 1967 Marist I believe was still an all male school made up of dorky Catholic school boys. You confirmed everything I stated yet come across defensively??? As for the Marist of today what I did not mention was that my godchild played soccer there and, yes, he went to a Catholic school on LI. BTW, he got a soccer ship at Marist and was recruited by Dr, Mazur but was not offered.......hence Marist. He graduated a few years ago and his dad and I made many trips to watch him play. It has a beautiful campus and many of the students there could easily get into schools like Fordham, NYU and St. John's but to be frank Joe, many of these kids' parents find those schools to be too risky for their self-absorbed, pompous and spoiled little academic wonders. NYU is too urban in the big bad CITY, Fordham is surrounded by the BRONX and SJ is too African-American. My friend's daughter will major in education and she was accepted to SJ and Hofstra with full scholarships, NYU with a partial and Fordham with a partial, and yet she chose Marist even though the other schools have better education programs and are much better connected to New York area school districts. Quite frankly, growing up in a Long Island cocoon ethnically has done little for her fear of minorities--- and I do not mean the many Asians now populating our schools. So do not take offense if what I say stings a little. Marist kids are not attracted to Marist because of its great football tradition, its IBM-wired campus (so is SJ BTW) or its great Law, Medical or Engineering schools. These bright white kids want to be with kids just like themselves and Marist is the ideal place for them. Eventually, many have to live in the big bad world of multi-culturalism and end up working in the big bad CITY.
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If you think people choose Marist because it's "mostly white from the burbs" you don't understand the process very well. People choose Marist because of the gorgeous campus, the small class sizes making it personal, the solid academic tradition, the connections with ESPN, IBM, the proximity to NYC, the fantastic on campus housing, the D-I sports, the Hudson, etc. The fact that many students come from the same background might be one of the last things they consider. Is that a problem? I highly doubt anyone from the wealthier NYC suburbs like LI and Westchester would be totally comfortable going to a campus with 50% minorities. Not because they are racist, but because it's an unknown entity...it is not comfortable to everyone. What's wrong with students who want to be totally comfortable and fit in at their school? Would you encourage someone from pearly white CT to attend Queensborough Community? Black people and latinos stick together themselves, but the second white people stick together, it's racism. We need to get over this. The only "diversity" these days is when there are "too many white people" somewhere. Imagine demanding that Howard U. or Delaware State become diverse and let white students in? Me either, because it won't happen.
 
The stats are the stats. If you don't want to accept them, then don't. 

If you think Marist is in the same league with Nova or NYU or BC go right ahead. Few would agree with you.

No knock on Marist, its a solid school, but it is probably a safety school, for the most part, for those who are not admitted to the aforementioned.
 
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