Catholics A Minority

There is little that I agree with student Van Dorpe in his assertions, but this one he nails proficiently

VanDorpe also admitted that the founding values at DePaul, based on the practices of Saint Vincent de Paul, are found in many faiths and are often "universal values to humanity."

The secularization of Amerca's Catholic Universities is well on it's way, and the Vincentian's have diluted their mission into a humanist cause of aiding the poor by offering affordable (and profitable) education to needy students.

While Jesus proclaimed in Matthew Chapter 25, "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me"

He then also added,‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters,f you were doing it to me!’

What the Vincentians (and most Catholic universities) fail to boldly proclaim is that there mission is done in Jesus' and for the glory of God, and for no other reasons. No wonder an education at a Catholic university today is hardly a Catholic education.



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Beast great post, St. Francis College(Brooklyn) I will say does a great job of keeping tuition down about 14,000 per year. More Catholic Universities need to look at their model.

I do like the Catholic Scholarship program SJU is offering to graduates of Catholic HS's.

As alumni we need strees to the powers that be that the University to retains to the best of ability it's Catholic values.
 
Catholics are becoming a minority? There's a simple solution. Simply discriminate admissions based on religion...making the school ineligible for participation in federal student aid programs. That should cut the current enrollment by half.
 
JSJ, thak you for the SFC update on tuition costs. the cost of 1 year at SFC is now $17,500 (per year) not $14,000.

Roughly half of SJU, the question is why is SJU's tuition so much higher than SFC's?
 
Catholics are becoming a minority? There's a simple solution. Simply discriminate admissions based on religion...making the school ineligible for participation in federal student aid programs. That should cut the current enrollment by half.
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It's not a matter of discrimination. It's a matter of the education you offer. How many non-Jewish students choose to study at a Yeshiva? How many non-Christians study at Ave Maria University, or non-Catholics at Steubenville. Offering a true and authentic Catholic education would curb the interest in St. John's by non-Catholics, and enable the school to more completely return to its founding mission, which was to offer low cost education to the sons (and subsequently daughters) of Catholic immigrants.

This is not to exclude non-Christian applicants, but to encourage the University to return to its original mission, which had little to do with increased enrollment, balance sheets, and P&L.
 
Honestly, who cares anyway? My generation (I'm 23) does not care about religion. If someone writes down they are catholic, it doesn't mean they care about it or that they go to church. I'd say 75% of people my age either don't care at all about religion or can't stand it. Even when people my age go to church, it's often just because it's their cousin's communion or something where the family dragged them there. Almost no one cares anymore what colleges are what religion. I go to SJU and I am the least religious person you can meet. We SHOULD be a secular nation. 
 
Honestly, who cares anyway? My generation (I'm 23) does not care about religion. If someone writes down they are catholic, it doesn't mean they care about it or that they go to church. I'd say 75% of people my age either don't care at all about religion or can't stand it. Even when people my age go to church, it's often just because it's their cousin's communion or something where the family dragged them there. Almost no one cares anymore what colleges are what religion. I go to SJU and I am the least religious person you can meet. We SHOULD be a secular nation. 
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Interesting post. At DePaul, for instance, 45% of their students say they are not part of any faith based religion (see original post).

Perhaps a sign of the times. It's certainly not the 1950's.

I would think while you say you are" the least religious person you can meet", I would not be surprised to find that you share many or most or even all of the Vincentian ideals.

That said, also found it interesting that someone would go to a "Catholic" university that requires 12 credits in Theology.

I guess my family is an exception. Have nieces and nephews who are graduates of ND, St.Mary's, Fairfield, Duquesne, and Providence and they go to Mass every Sunday with their children.

Those that attended secular colleges (Boston U., Johnson and Wales, University of Miami) just about never attend. As an aside, none have children as of yet.

All are great people, not a bad apple in the basket.

Go out to ND quite a bit (not just football weekends) and find that Sacred Heart is always filled to capacity and that dorm Masses are very well attended. Maybe they are one of the exceptions.
 
Beast great post, St. Francis College(Brooklyn) I will say does a great job of keeping tuition down about 14,000 per year. More Catholic Universities need to look at their model.

I do like the Catholic Scholarship program SJU is offering to graduates of Catholic HS's.

As alumni we need strees to the powers that be that the University to retains to the best of ability it's Catholic values.
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 The first main part of that is to clearly state the Catholic values in the mission statement of the college/university. That is the front porch of the house - it needs to be a beacon.
 
I'm sure there are a handful of schools still where the student population embraces the religious aspect of the school, but they are few and far in between. I am actually a graduate student at SJU, so I am not required to take any theology, but at my undergrad alma mater, Marist, they required 3 credits in theology or related classes like sociology of religion. The funny part is that in sociology of religion all people did was talk about how corrupt and obsolete religion is these days. No disrespect to the religious out there by the way. Just being honest with you guys. I do adhere to some aspects of what you may call morals from the Bible, but I think morals are innate as you can observe them in nature and animals are not religious. I think we would know not to kill each other without a god concept. I still feel guilt, love, etc. without the belief in a god or adherence to a religious doctrine. 
 
It's clear we should recruit only Catholic basketball players and allow them to play only if they have received absolution that week.

Lets us remember Louie 19:85: "For the shepherd shall gather ballers by the bunch and build a court in His glory. And the Philistine shall be tea-bagged."
 
Honestly, who cares anyway? My generation (I'm 23) does not care about religion. If someone writes down they are catholic, it doesn't mean they care about it or that they go to church. I'd say 75% of people my age either don't care at all about religion or can't stand it. Even when people my age go to church, it's often just because it's their cousin's communion or something where the family dragged them there. Almost no one cares anymore what colleges are what religion. I go to SJU and I am the least religious person you can meet. We SHOULD be a secular nation. 
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I would also suggest that when you get married, you refuse to get married in a church, when you have children, you don't baptize them, when you are mortally ill, do not have someone call for a priest, and refuse to be laid to rest in a religious cemetary. My guess is that you will perform some or all of these functions, which will be hypocritical. You certainly has a human right, and even if you aren't religious, a God-given right (in the truest sense) to reject any or all of religion. Some very learned theologians would describe your circumstance as literally what hell is, the self imposed separation from the love of God. The problem with your position, is that there is an underlying tone that because you aren't religious, and reject the notion of God and Christ, is that's what everyone does, and should do. Those of us who believe in Catholic education believe that Catholic Univerisities are participating in the secularization of society by becoming coroporate entities engaging in the best way to increase revenues, maximize profits, and produce a healthy balance sheet, all the while ignoring their critical role in the formation of faith for young adults.
 
It's clear we should recruit only Catholic basketball players and allow them to play only if they have received absolution that week.

Lets us remember Louie 19:85: "For the shepherd shall gather ballers by the bunch and build a court in His glory. And the Philistine shall be tea-bagged."
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Are you aware that Norm Roberts prayed with his players as a group. He had said that many of them had never prayed before, and certainly not aloud with a group of young men. Such actions help enable players to reinforce that they are indeed at a religious institution, and that missions that they participate in, such as Bread and Life, are not just social missions but ways to spread God's love in this world.
 
Honestly, who cares anyway? My generation (I'm 23) does not care about religion. If someone writes down they are catholic, it doesn't mean they care about it or that they go to church. I'd say 75% of people my age either don't care at all about religion or can't stand it. Even when people my age go to church, it's often just because it's their cousin's communion or something where the family dragged them there. Almost no one cares anymore what colleges are what religion. I go to SJU and I am the least religious person you can meet. We SHOULD be a secular nation. 
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I would also suggest that when you get married, you refuse to get married in a church, when you have children, you don't baptize them, when you are mortally ill, do not have someone call for a priest, and refuse to be laid to rest in a religious cemetary. My guess is that you will perform some or all of these functions, which will be hypocritical. You certainly has a human right, and even if you aren't religious, a God-given right (in the truest sense) to reject any or all of religion. Some very learned theologians would describe your circumstance as literally what hell is, the self imposed separation from the love of God. The problem with your position, is that there is an underlying tone that because you aren't religious, and reject the notion of God and Christ, is that's what everyone does, and should do. Those of us who believe in Catholic education believe that Catholic Univerisities are participating in the secularization of society by becoming coroporate entities engaging in the best way to increase revenues, maximize profits, and produce a healthy balance sheet, all the while ignoring their critical role in the formation of faith for young adults.
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WOW! Really?
 
It's clear we should recruit only Catholic basketball players and allow them to play only if they have received absolution that week.

Lets us remember Louie 19:85: "For the shepherd shall gather ballers by the bunch and build a court in His glory. And the Philistine shall be tea-bagged."
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Are you aware that Norm Roberts prayed with his players as a group. He had said that many of them had never prayed before, and certainly not aloud with a group of young men. Such actions help enable players to reinforce that they are indeed at a religious institution, and that missions that they participate in, such as Bread and Life, are not just social missions but ways to spread God's love in this world.
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yeah but the players were praying that Norm would learn to coach :)
 
Honestly, who cares anyway? My generation (I'm 23) does not care about religion. If someone writes down they are catholic, it doesn't mean they care about it or that they go to church. I'd say 75% of people my age either don't care at all about religion or can't stand it. Even when people my age go to church, it's often just because it's their cousin's communion or something where the family dragged them there. Almost no one cares anymore what colleges are what religion. I go to SJU and I am the least religious person you can meet. We SHOULD be a secular nation. 
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I would also suggest that when you get married, you refuse to get married in a church, when you have children, you don't baptize them, when you are mortally ill, do not have someone call for a priest, and refuse to be laid to rest in a religious cemetary. My guess is that you will perform some or all of these functions, which will be hypocritical. You certainly has a human right, and even if you aren't religious, a God-given right (in the truest sense) to reject any or all of religion. Some very learned theologians would describe your circumstance as literally what hell is, the self imposed separation from the love of God. The problem with your position, is that there is an underlying tone that because you aren't religious, and reject the notion of God and Christ, is that's what everyone does, and should do. Those of us who believe in Catholic education believe that Catholic Univerisities are participating in the secularization of society by becoming coroporate entities engaging in the best way to increase revenues, maximize profits, and produce a healthy balance sheet, all the while ignoring their critical role in the formation of faith for young adults.
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All those things you mentioned do not require being religious to take part in. Religion is nothing but a cultural phenomenon...if you were born in Iraq you would follow Islam. If you were born in Israel you would follow Judaism. If you were born in America you would follow Christianity. Therefore, getting married in a church, or baptizing a child, etc. is just a sort of rite of passage...they are just symbolic cultural gestures. I have a cross on my arm with my father's initials on it...not because I'm religious...it's symbolic. You don't have to devoutly believe in everything you take a part of. The only reason secular people still baptize their children, have their kids communions, etc. is because they don't want to ruffle feathers within the family and stir the pot claiming to be non-religious. It's much easier to just go with the flow instead of debating relatives and getting confrontational. If there was no fear of backlash and negative labeling, then I guarantee you people would stop this nonsense. Religion should be taught as a cultural phenomenon in this country that has affected our history, but NOT use intelligent design as a viable explanation for how we came to be as there is 0 evidence of such. Religion is stagnant...there is no progression. Religion hinders and sometimes prevents free thought. It gives someone the audacity to claim they know all the answers using a god of the gaps theory when in fact they have no better idea than anyone else. Hate to break it to you, but my generation is OVERWHELMINGLY non-religious with many of those adamantly anti-religion. Being an atheist today is akin to being gay in the past...give it 50 years and atheists will come out of the closet more and people will treat them normally instead of as if they were devils.
 
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