Bursting the Bubble: Why Sports Aren't Coming Back Soon

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[quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=392943]Fyi.......

https://hrealsports.substack.com/p/the-coronavirus-shows-how-the-ncaa

Patrick Hruby was a guest on The Paul Finebaum Show (SEC Channel) this afternoon[/quote]




This article makes it seem as if athletes are expendable. As a parent, I would not want my child competing in any athletic activities unless it is safe.

Coaches like Dabo Sweeney are only interested in their records and their salaries. How can anyone with a conscience have young men practicing after numerous positive coronavirus tests.

It is almost like the Christians and the Lions. Who cares about the outcome as long as we are entertained.
 
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At this point, I'd say the best bet for college hoops is conference games only and to begin January, 2021. Hoping for a November 2020 start--but that's looking out-of-reach.
 
Just read where Mitch McConnell wants lawsuit protection as part of the stimulus bill for hospitals, businesses, K-12 grade schools, colleges and universities until 2024. They are saying it is safe to open up the country but if you get sick or a loved one dies, you can't sue. Ain't this some shit.

Like the attendees at Trump's rally in Tulsa signing a waver.

Amazing how the Senators from Kentucky, Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell, which receives 45 Billion dollars more from the Federal Government than it contributes want to make policy for the entire country. 45 Billion dollars for Kentucky is a real government handout.
 
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Pat Forde

The SEC meeting is concluded with no declarations of how to proceed with fall sports. This was expected. They will keep assessing until later this month.
 
The political stuff on this topic should be left to the politicians and media...ask the players if they want to play...ask the fans if they want basketball...so why all the political BS....Go St. John's University! And to any recruit...its a great place to play basketball and great University...
 
Rookie on the Sixers is recording his whole experience in the NBA Disney bubble and it is pretty cool. You get to see some of the ways the NBA is ensuring this is safe as it can possibly be.

Of everyone tested in the opening week only 2 positives and they were promptly sent home. They’ve been doing a great job thus far.

 
[quote="panther2" post=392972]Just read where Mitch McConnell wants lawsuit protection as part of the stimulus bill for hospitals, businesses, K-12 grade schools, colleges and universities until 2024. They are saying it is safe to open up the country but if you get sick or a loved one dies, you can't sue. Ain't this some shit.

Like the attendees at Trump's rally in Tulsa signing a waver.

Amazing how the Senators from Kentucky, Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell, which receives 45 Billion dollars more from the Federal Government than it contributes want to make policy for the entire country. 45 Billion dollars for Kentucky is a real government handout.[/quote]

Isn't the United States the most litigious nation in the world? I can only imagine the number of law suits that will be initiated as a result of Covid. Hospitals are already the number one targets but the courts could literally be overwhelmed by frivolous actions. Contact tracing would be physically impossible in schools because of millions of students. Sports arenas would literally go out of business. The same with airlines and most private universities. Sports would NEVER return with fans.
Waivers would be needed for almost everything.
I will leave it to the attorneys here to debate whether American Tort Law are distorted - with no real need to prove negligence as lawyers USED to understand that term. Everyone will be looking to cash in on some kind of settlement.
I remember watching the last game of the season in the BE tournament and the game was halted at half time. I said something to the effect that "this is the end of sports as we know it ".
Because of potential liability and the politics of fear, some universities like St. John's may not survive this pandemic. Neither will small hospitals across the nation.
 
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That article raises a lot of good points. Money is certainly a big factor. Playing games to a small crowd (social distancing) isn't going to work. There's not that much tv money for non conference games.

I hope there is a basketball season. A lot depends on what happens when practice starts July 20. I'm concerned there will be positive cases of Covid-19 on the teams. That would shut practice down.
 
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[quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=393111]Yahoo Sports: No one is playing college football in the fall:

https://sports.yahoo.com/time-to-fa...g-college-football-in-the-fall-170634809.html[/quote]



Very realistic article on what may happen this year. Every day there are more and more positive results. The situation appears to be getting worse instead of better. I really can't see any college sports being played this year.

As much as I love sports, it is not worth risking the lives of those involved just to entertain us.
 
[quote="nycfan" post=393177]No fans for Eagles & Phillies in 2020. Nova not mentioned but Philadelphia is banning large events/gatherings through Feb '21.

[URL]https://www.espn.com/espn/stor...s-say-fans-allowed-eagles-phillies-games-2020[/URL][/quote]

I really get a kick out of cities putting an end date to certain bans. This virus is tearing through the 2 hottest states in the country, at a time of year when traditional viruses usually subside. Things may be a lot worse in the winter, when a virus can flourish in the cold weather at a time when people cant get outdoors very often. I do not see a large gathering making sense for a long, long, time. Especially in the U.S., where patience and common sense no longer exists.
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=393181][quote="nycfan" post=393177]No fans for Eagles & Phillies in 2020. Nova not mentioned but Philadelphia is banning large events/gatherings through Feb '21.

[URL]https://www.espn.com/espn/stor...s-say-fans-allowed-eagles-phillies-games-2020[/URL][/quote]

I really get a kick out of cities putting an end date to certain bans. This virus is tearing through the 2 hottest states in the country, at a time of year when traditional viruses usually subside. Things may be a lot worse in the winter, when a virus can flourish in the cold weather at a time when people cant get outdoors very often. I do not see a large gathering making sense for a long, long, time. Especially in the U.S., where patience and common sense no longer exists.[/quote]

You are probably right about the timetable, but what else are they going to do? You set a target based on the available information today, and you adapt accordingly as new information enters the equation.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=393192]So much has changed since we were last together on campus. As a direct result of our shared work over the past four months, the #StJohns community is ready for the next stage of our reopening.

Read the full fall semester plan here:

[URL]https://www.stjohns.edu/life-s...disease-2019-covid-19/preparing-fall-semester[/URL][/quote]

My son is pursuing a Masters degree in law, (LLM taxation) at the University of Florida this year. Last week, the entire law school, students, professors and administrators, had a call with the Dean. As of now, they plan on having in person classes as well as on line classes. A few professors on the line strongly urged students to take the on line route, as they had no interest in walking into a classroom.
My son has decided to come home and take classes remotely. I can’t believe that in person classes are even offered given how the virus is ravaging Florida.
 
Notre Dame, and Everyone Else, Is Feeling Bleak About College Football

Even the most powerful forces in college football feel powerless to keep the sport on course as coronavirus cases surge across the U.S.


July 15, 2020 / WALL STREET JOURNAL

Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick is one of the most powerful figures in college football. But as the coming season slowly falls apart, even the game’s most powerful figures feel powerless to stop it.

“With each day where the country doesn’t get a better handle on the pandemic, the risk to the fall season grows…and the only two options are no season or to explore the spring,” said Swarbrick. “We’re mid-July and the trends are the wrong way.”

Distress signs are everywhere in college football. In the Southeastern Conference—where big programs have vowed to play on—Alabama’s elephant mascot is wearing a mask, coaches are taping public service announcements, and the outlook is grim.

Meanwhile, moves by the Big Ten and Pacific-12 Conferences to cancel nonconference schedules have raised questions that are difficult to answer—like how Colorado can play Pac-12 rival Washington, which is over 1,300 miles away, but not Colorado State an hour’s drive north.




The situation at Notre Dame shows how little control even the game’s titans have as the pandemic unfolds. Notre Dame has only reported one positive case in over 250 tests administered to its football team, which is currently residing in a local hotel as voluntary workouts continue.

“I couldn’t feel better about our preparation, our thoughts about weekly testing and travel and what the spectator experience would be like,” Swarbrick said. “We really invested a lot in trying to make that as safe as can be.”



Yet as long as coronavirus infections rise, as they have since mid-June, the feasibility of staging gridiron contests this fall plummets. When the Big Ten and Pac-12 canceled nonconference games last week, Notre Dame immediately lost games against three big-name opponents: Stanford, the University of Southern California and Wisconsin.

“It’s the environment around us kind of collapsing,” Swarbrick said. Even if Notre Dame proceeds with its plan to bring students back on Aug. 10 and plays at Navy on Sept. 5, “Universities simply may shut down part way through the football season.”

At the moment, he’s not even sure about that. “It’s been a bad week. Every morning when I read the Johns Hopkins summary of where we are nationally or read about California closing back up things that it reopened…its saps everybody’s optimism and perspective,” he said.

As cases soar in the south, the SEC feels that its season is enough at risk that its football coaches suited up for selfies in school-themed masks for a public service announcement-type video begging people to wear masks.


“The direct outlook is not good,” said commissioner Greg Sankey on social media before pleading fans to “consider our behavior to make possible what right now appears very difficult.”

In the meantime, college officials are trying to stave off a canceled season with conference-only slates. Other conferences may soon follow the Big Ten and Pac-12 in canceling nonconference games. SEC leaders are meeting in Birmingham, Ala., this week and will make an announcement about their season by the end of the month.

Travel might be a factor in those decisions, some public-health officials said. Commercial air travel to get a team to play a far-off nonconference school would be riskier than travel controlled by the school, like a private plane or a bus.

Melissa Nolan, assistant professor of epidemiology at the University of South Carolina, warned that variations in the virus also support the idea of staying closer to home.

“There are different genetic strains of the virus that are regional, and minimizing long distance travel would help to keep these genetic strains from intermixing,” said Nolan, a member of the Covid-19 task force for her university and its affiliated hospital system.

Both explanations raise only more questions thanks to the sprawling nature of modern college football conferences. A wave of realignment in the mid-2010s, driven by television contracts, changed the Big Ten, once firmly anchored in the Midwest, into a more sprawling landscape that spans two time zones and 1,300 miles.


Conference officials say that the main advantage in allowing games only between teams in the same conference is that they can force consistent testing and safety protocols that would be hard to agree on with teams from outside.

The leaders of the big-money conferences known as the Power Five have held a daily call to discuss the pandemic since early March. They’ve formed task forces of medical experts to draw up health guidelines, but aren’t much closer to releasing them than they were two months ago.


“One of the challenges is really variability across the nation,” said Dr. Chris Kratochvil, chair of the Big Ten’s Task Force on Emerging Infectious Diseases and associate vice chancellor at the University of Nebraska’s Medical Center.

Kratochvil said the Big Ten’s protocols might involve comparing the results of a PCR test administered Wednesday or Thursday, which take hours or days to process, with the results of a rapid test, which are currently less accurate, administered on Saturday morning before kickoff.

That’s a difficult, expensive prospect. Big Ten officials have also expressed concerns that schools with smaller athletic department budgets wouldn’t be able to comply, or that they could even feel pressure to fudge their adherence to the agreement.

Patriot League commissioner Jen Heppel—while offended at the suggestion that her league’s schools couldn’t be trusted—said it probably wouldn’t be possible to meet that standard. On Monday, her league canceled fall athletic competitions, becoming the second Division I conference to do so after the Ivy League last week. “The virus is not under control in our country,” she said.
 
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