Big East Statement

old school redmen wrote: NCJohnnie wrote: Guys, let's not try to turn this horrendous refereeing job and worse BE leadership performance into a Chris Mullin bashing. He handled it with class and will have his team ready to use it as motivation against Marquette. Let's go Johnnies!!!

of course in others words say it's ok, and dead the issue

Not in the least. My point is not everything bad that happens to the team is the coach's fault and this sure as hell is one of them. Just so tired of the negative BS.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=310970]old school redmen wrote: NCJohnnie wrote: Guys, let's not try to turn this horrendous refereeing job and worse BE leadership performance into a Chris Mullin bashing. He handled it with class and will have his team ready to use it as motivation against Marquette. Let's go Johnnies!!!

of course in others words say it's ok, and dead the issue

Not in the least. My point is not everything bad that happens to the team is the coach's fault and this sure as hell is one of them. Just so tired of the negative BS.[/quote]

Dude, I'd go Bobby knight, and throw the chair, but not on the floor, I'd been aiming for the refs head. I'd take that 10 game suspension too, but that sack of crap would know that I don't like him.
You talk about class? F class, what kind of class is this pos league showing.

The b.e. doesn't give a flying f about us, so f the be too.
 
I'm just hoping anger propels them toward another long winning streak. I always thought anger over the close losses to Purdue and Stanford 20 years ago partially fueled that team to great heights. (Although I don't recall being cheated in those games.)
 
It does no good for the officials to lie about it not being inadvertent whistle. This will haunt their careers for ever. The next error they make ,who is going to believe them when they make their explanation ? They won't be referring March madness games not after this cover up.
 
[quote="frank" post=310989]It does no good for the officials to lie about it not being inadvertent whistle. This will haunt their careers for ever. The next error they make ,who is going to believe them when they make their explanation ? They won't be referring March madness games not after this cover up.[/quote]

Don't be so sure about that.
 
The inadvertent whistle is there for precisely this reason. Nobody blows the whistle truly inadvertently unless they are having a seizure. That was an easy remedy to the ref guessing, but he didn't know the rules well enough to get himself out of the jam. Inadvertent whistles happen ALL THE TIME in football when things looks horrible in real time and then not so bad when the brain gets to fully process it. The refs in those situations fully intend to blow the whistle but use the next minute or so to remedy the mistake by ruling it an inadvertent whistle.

I think Mullin handled everything well. I would have exploded...if he did that he'd be marked by officials all year--if not longer. Basketball officials make up a very unforgiving fraternity.
 
I'm worried about the lack of depth again this season. Ponds / Heron / Clark / Simon--Ponds in particular--can't play the whole season 35+ mpg.
Their legs are like wet noodles late in the game...witness what ensued after being up by 12pts with ~9:45 to go...
Got to play Williams more...
 
Several posters have put forth the too many minutes / tired legs theory. We average per game:
Ponds 33.2 / Heron 31.8 / Figueroa 31.3 / Simon 32.1 / Clark 29.1

Some BE Comparisons: Howard 33.0 / Booth 33.5 / Diallo 35.3 / Strus 35.5 / Baldwin 33.5 / Powell 35.4 / Paschall 33.5 / Hauser 29.8 / Goodin 34.8

Our minutes are certainly not out of the norm. In fact, very unscientifically, they average less than many of their conference counterparts.
 
[quote="Logen" post=311062]Several posters have put forth the too many minutes / tired legs theory. We average per game:
Ponds 33.2 / Heron 31.8 / Figueroa 31.3 / Simon 32.1 / Clark 29.1

Some BE Comparisons: Howard 33.0 / Booth 33.5 / Diallo 35.3 / Strus 35.5 / Baldwin 33.5 / Powell 35.4 / Paschall 33.5 / Hauser 29.8 / Goodin 34.8

Our minutes are certainly not out of the norm. In fact, very unscientifically, they average less than many of their conference counterparts.[/quote]

All I know is that Ponds looked drained at game's end on Saturday.
Both he and Heron played 38 mpg versus the Hall...both missed key 1 'n 1's with less a minute or less to go.
All I know.
Just saying it might help if Williams played more as well as Dixon to spell both Ponds and Heron at key times.
And play Figgy more--he looks like a beast.
 
Ponds & Simon are both playing 4 mpg less than last year, Clark 2 mpg less. However, as Chicago pointed out, they all played well above their average in Hall game and looked drained towards the end. Between Keita providing some minutes soon, Williams getting more minutes & Trimble & Dixon playing some, hopefully we can keep the key guys down to 33 minutes or less in most games.
 
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I think this team is better than perceived. We were up by 12 points 30 minutes into the first BE game of the year away.
If we found ways to keep the guys fresh for all 40 minutes—watch out.
Which is why Keita’s Return is key, as well as playing Williams and Dixon more and give Figgy 30 minutes a game in BE play.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=311070]I think this team is better than perceived. We were up by 12 points 30 minutes into the first BE game of the year away.
If we found ways to keep the guys fresh for all 40 minutes—watch out.
Which is why Keita’s Return is key, as well as playing Williams and Dixon more and give Figgy 30 minutes a game in BE play.[/quote]

So 4 extra minutes left a man in his early 20’s who has played ball all his life “drained”. Don’t buy it for a second. All I know is you and others are over analyzing to the point of absurdity. Have any of you ever heard of adrenaline?
 
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[quote="Logen" post=311071][quote="Chicago Days" post=311070]I think this team is better than perceived. We were up by 12 points 30 minutes into the first BE game of the year away.
If we found ways to keep the guys fresh for all 40 minutes—watch out.
Which is why Keita’s Return is key, as well as playing Williams and Dixon more and give Figgy 30 minutes a game in BE play.[/quote]

So 4 extra minutes left a man in his early 20’s who has played ball all his life “drained”. Don’t buy it for a second. All I know is you and others are over analyzing to the point of absurdity. Have any of you ever heard of adrenaline?[/quote]

I agree. Ponds wasn’t gassed at the end imo. He was leaving shots short, but he was off all night. Just wasn’t his night. I was watching him at halftime, shooting around, he couldn’t buy a bucket even in warmups. Was just off. Throw in the fact that McKnight was playing solid defense, that’s what led to it.

The only one who I noticed gets visibly gassed at times is LJ. Probably still adjusting to the speed of D1 ball, especially since only a handful of our games have been legit D1 games thus far
 
[quote="Logen" post=311071][quote="Chicago Days" post=311070]I think this team is better than perceived. We were up by 12 points 30 minutes into the first BE game of the year away.
If we found ways to keep the guys fresh for all 40 minutes—watch out.
Which is why Keita’s Return is key, as well as playing Williams and Dixon more and give Figgy 30 minutes a game in BE play.[/quote]

So 4 extra minutes left a man in his early 20’s who has played ball all his life “drained”. Don’t buy it for a second. All I know is you and others are over analyzing to the point of absurdity. Have any of you ever heard of adrenaline?[/quote] So then why did you kill Matt Harvey in the world series at home when he had adrenaline and wanted to go into the 9th inning and pitch when he had dominated the entire game ?
 
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[quote="Jack Williams" post=311073][quote="Logen" post=311071][quote="Chicago Days" post=311070]I think this team is better than perceived. We were up by 12 points 30 minutes into the first BE game of the year away.
If we found ways to keep the guys fresh for all 40 minutes—watch out.
Which is why Keita’s Return is key, as well as playing Williams and Dixon more and give Figgy 30 minutes a game in BE play.[/quote]

So 4 extra minutes left a man in his early 20’s who has played ball all his life “drained”. Don’t buy it for a second. All I know is you and others are over analyzing to the point of absurdity. Have any of you ever heard of adrenaline?[/quote]

I agree. Ponds wasn’t gassed at the end imo. He was leaving shots short, but he was off all night. Just wasn’t his night. I was watching him at halftime, shooting around, he couldn’t buy a bucket even in warmups. Was just off. Throw in the fact that McKnight was playing solid defense, that’s what led to it.

The only one who I noticed gets visibly gassed at times is LJ. Probably still adjusting to the speed of D1 ball, especially since only a handful of our games have been legit D1 games thus far[/quote]

And another big game is almost upon us. Just think of the observations and opinions we’ll have at the end of this one.
Lol.
Let’s go Johnnies!
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=311074][quote="Logen" post=311071][quote="Chicago Days" post=311070]I think this team is better than perceived. We were up by 12 points 30 minutes into the first BE game of the year away.
If we found ways to keep the guys fresh for all 40 minutes—watch out.
Which is why Keita’s Return is key, as well as playing Williams and Dixon more and give Figgy 30 minutes a game in BE play.[/quote]

So 4 extra minutes left a man in his early 20’s who has played ball all his life “drained”. Don’t buy it for a second. All I know is you and others are over analyzing to the point of absurdity. Have any of you ever heard of adrenaline?[/quote] So then why kill Matt Harvey in the world series at home when he had adrenaline and wanted to go into the 9th inning and pitch when he had dominated the entire game ?[/quote]

Mike I was having a somewhat nice evening why’d you have to bring up that World Series ;)
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=311077][quote="mjmaherjr" post=311074][quote="Logen" post=311071][quote="Chicago Days" post=311070]I think this team is better than perceived. We were up by 12 points 30 minutes into the first BE game of the year away.
If we found ways to keep the guys fresh for all 40 minutes—watch out.
Which is why Keita’s Return is key, as well as playing Williams and Dixon more and give Figgy 30 minutes a game in BE play.[/quote]

So 4 extra minutes left a man in his early 20’s who has played ball all his life “drained”. Don’t buy it for a second. All I know is you and others are over analyzing to the point of absurdity. Have any of you ever heard of adrenaline?[/quote] So then why kill Matt Harvey in the world series at home when he had adrenaline and wanted to go into the 9th inning and pitch when he had dominated the entire game ?[/quote]

Mike I was having a somewhat nice evening why’d you have to bring up that World Series ;)[/quote] Haaaaaa. My new years resolution was trying to let anger go quicker. That didnt last a full freaking day :)
 
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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=311065]Ponds & Simon are both playing 4 mpg less than last year, Clark 2 mpg less. However, as Chicago pointed out, they all played well above their average in Hall game and looked drained towards the end. Between Keita providing some minutes soon, Williams getting more minutes & Trimble & Dixon playing some, hopefully we can keep the key guys down to 33 minutes or less in most games.[/quote]

They didn't look drained to me at all. Ponds had his lunch eaten by McKnigt and wasn't given inch all night in the half court. Clark was strong all night and only sat for foul trouble and Simon did what Simon always does at the end of close games...freezes up. They had a full week of rest before that game. Tired legs is too easy of a fall back.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=311079][quote="NCJohnnie" post=311065]Ponds & Simon are both playing 4 mpg less than last year, Clark 2 mpg less. However, as Chicago pointed out, they all played well above their average in Hall game and looked drained towards the end. Between Keita providing some minutes soon, Williams getting more minutes & Trimble & Dixon playing some, hopefully we can keep the key guys down to 33 minutes or less in most games.[/quote]

They didn't look drained to me at all. Ponds had his lunch eaten by McKnigt and wasn't given inch all night in the half court. Clark was strong all night and only sat for foul trouble and Simon did what Simon always does at the end of close games...freezes up. They had a full week of rest before that game. Tired legs is too easy of a fall back.[/quote] Possibly but possibly not. Those last 8 minutes being at the game it was clearly visible everyone stopped moving. Now part of that was hero ball but its definitely possible guys got gassed. Or a combination. I wouldn't say it's definitive either way

The only thing I know for certain is we froze those 8 minutes and played like an entirely different team than the rest of the game
 
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