Big East Recruiting during the 2014 cycle

[Moose]

Redshirting a Senior = I dropped the ball recruiting this next class

I don't care what coach it is (especially someone who has recruited top classes before), but no one just takes off a recruiting cycle. No one.

Everything smells like he did for '14.

Plugging in a 3* and claiming we didn't have many ships to fill is an outright lie and I wish someone would call him out on it.

He had ample opportunity to lock in on a quality player or two and he chose not to.

He stopped recruiting Whitehead because he claimed it would look bad to lose a NY kid. What type of nonsense is that? Go down fighting or just give up. But if you're not going to coach, do what you do best.

I'm preparing myself for his speech come April full of exaggerations and fake hype talking about how under the radar this '14 class will be and how he's focused on '15.

I don't think that has to be the case. When Lavin redshirted Ray Young it was because he had recruited over the kid and he was waiting for Kapono to enter the draft and a few seniors to graduate.

If, for some reason, we got Antoine Mason and redshirted a senior it would be because the senior holds more value as a 5th year senior on a young team than he would playing 10 mpg behind Antoine Mason.

I'm a big fan of the redshirt and I particularly like the mid-career redshirt.

Of course you do. Because you're a college football fan and with 90 ships its a necessity. With 13 ships it's called mismanagement.

Then Bill Self mismanaged his way to a few Final Fours. Xavier redshirt a tin of kids as well. Some kids can really benefit with an extra year if experience/lifting. You never fully know what you have in a kid until he suits up and you see him day in and day out in the gym, in class, on the weight room....what's so bad about wanting a veteran like Phil Greene around for a fifth year? What is so bad about wanting to see he kid get 25-30 mpg instead of 10-15?

I'm all for a freshman redshirt. Mid-career is a different story.

First you started with Ray Young as a SR. Have other SR examples? Or mid career now as we continue to slip back from 4th year?

*No comment on wanting Phil Greene around for a 5th year.

 

[Marillac]

Redshirting a Senior = I dropped the ball recruiting this next class

I don't care what coach it is (especially someone who has recruited top classes before), but no one just takes off a recruiting cycle. No one.

Everything smells like he did for '14.

Plugging in a 3* and claiming we didn't have many ships to fill is an outright lie and I wish someone would call him out on it.

He had ample opportunity to lock in on a quality player or two and he chose not to.

He stopped recruiting Whitehead because he claimed it would look bad to lose a NY kid. What type of nonsense is that? Go down fighting or just give up. But if you're not going to coach, do what you do best.

I'm preparing myself for his speech come April full of exaggerations and fake hype talking about how under the radar this '14 class will be and how he's focused on '15.

I don't think that has to be the case. When Lavin redshirted Ray Young it was because he had recruited over the kid and he was waiting for Kapono to enter the draft and a few seniors to graduate.

If, for some reason, we got Antoine Mason and redshirted a senior it would be because the senior holds more value as a 5th year senior on a young team than he would playing 10 mpg behind Antoine Mason.

I'm a big fan of the redshirt and I particularly like the mid-career redshirt.

Of course you do. Because you're a college football fan and with 90 ships its a necessity. With 13 ships it's called mismanagement.

Then Bill Self mismanaged his way to a few Final Fours. Xavier redshirt a tin of kids as well. Some kids can really benefit with an extra year if experience/lifting. You never fully know what you have in a kid until he suits up and you see him day in and day out in the gym, in class, on the weight room....what's so bad about wanting a veteran like Phil Greene around for a fifth year? What is so bad about wanting to see he kid get 25-30 mpg instead of 10-15?

I'm all for a freshman redshirt. Mid-career is a different story.

First you started with Ray Young as a SR. Have other SR examples? Or mid career now as we continue to slip back from 4th year?

*No comment on wanting Phil Greene around for a 5th year.

I'm not trying to "slip back from 4th year" redshirts. I love redshirts any time. I actually prefer them after the freshman year because then they know what to work on. 5th years seniors are very valuable and things come up over a four year career that maybe were not present during a kid's 1st year: kids going to NBA, transfers, players in the same or lower class blowing up, recruiting over the kid, scholarhip imbalance, etc.

Let's say we get Anotine Mason--I know I completely created this transfer situation, but I think it does make a ton of sensw given his brothter played here, Niagara sucks, and Father Maher sat closer that MJ Maher for all our games the last decade--that would render one or two of Greene-Branch-Pointer almost completely useless for next season. They would hold tremdenous value in 2015, though, and an extra year of training could only help them.

Some of our best players sat out a year: Bootsy, Glover....Brust?

 

[Moose]

Redshirting a Senior = I dropped the ball recruiting this next class

I don't care what coach it is (especially someone who has recruited top classes before), but no one just takes off a recruiting cycle. No one.

Everything smells like he did for '14.

Plugging in a 3* and claiming we didn't have many ships to fill is an outright lie and I wish someone would call him out on it.

He had ample opportunity to lock in on a quality player or two and he chose not to.

He stopped recruiting Whitehead because he claimed it would look bad to lose a NY kid. What type of nonsense is that? Go down fighting or just give up. But if you're not going to coach, do what you do best.

I'm preparing myself for his speech come April full of exaggerations and fake hype talking about how under the radar this '14 class will be and how he's focused on '15.

I don't think that has to be the case. When Lavin redshirted Ray Young it was because he had recruited over the kid and he was waiting for Kapono to enter the draft and a few seniors to graduate.

If, for some reason, we got Antoine Mason and redshirted a senior it would be because the senior holds more value as a 5th year senior on a young team than he would playing 10 mpg behind Antoine Mason.

I'm a big fan of the redshirt and I particularly like the mid-career redshirt.

Of course you do. Because you're a college football fan and with 90 ships its a necessity. With 13 ships it's called mismanagement.

Then Bill Self mismanaged his way to a few Final Fours. Xavier redshirt a tin of kids as well. Some kids can really benefit with an extra year if experience/lifting. You never fully know what you have in a kid until he suits up and you see him day in and day out in the gym, in class, on the weight room....what's so bad about wanting a veteran like Phil Greene around for a fifth year? What is so bad about wanting to see he kid get 25-30 mpg instead of 10-15?

I'm all for a freshman redshirt. Mid-career is a different story.

First you started with Ray Young as a SR. Have other SR examples? Or mid career now as we continue to slip back from 4th year?

*No comment on wanting Phil Greene around for a 5th year.

I'm not trying to "slip back from 4th year" redshirts. I love redshirts any time. I actually prefer them after the freshman year because then they know what to work on. 5th years seniors are very valuable and things come up over a four year career that maybe were not present during a kid's 1st year: kids going to NBA, transfers, players in the same or lower class blowing up, recruiting over the kid, scholarhip imbalance, etc.

Let's say we get Anotine Mason--I know I completely created this transfer situation, but I think it does make a ton of sensw given his brothter played here, Niagara sucks, and Father Maher sat closer that MJ Maher for all our games the last decade--that would render one or two of Greene-Branch-Pointer almost completely useless for next season. They would hold tremdenous value in 2015, though, and an extra year of training could only help them.

Some of our best players sat out a year: Bootsy, Glover....Brust?

If people rip Harrison people will equally love Mason and his 3 point %

 

[Andrew]

Redshirting a Senior = I dropped the ball recruiting this next class

I don't care what coach it is (especially someone who has recruited top classes before), but no one just takes off a recruiting cycle. No one.

Everything smells like he did for '14.

Plugging in a 3* and claiming we didn't have many ships to fill is an outright lie and I wish someone would call him out on it.

He had ample opportunity to lock in on a quality player or two and he chose not to.

He stopped recruiting Whitehead because he claimed it would look bad to lose a NY kid. What type of nonsense is that? Go down fighting or just give up. But if you're not going to coach, do what you do best.

I'm preparing myself for his speech come April full of exaggerations and fake hype talking about how under the radar this '14 class will be and how he's focused on '15.

I don't think that has to be the case. When Lavin redshirted Ray Young it was because he had recruited over the kid and he was waiting for Kapono to enter the draft and a few seniors to graduate.

If, for some reason, we got Antoine Mason and redshirted a senior it would be because the senior holds more value as a 5th year senior on a young team than he would playing 10 mpg behind Antoine Mason.

I'm a big fan of the redshirt and I particularly like the mid-career redshirt.

Of course you do. Because you're a college football fan and with 90 ships its a necessity. With 13 ships it's called mismanagement.

Then Bill Self mismanaged his way to a few Final Fours. Xavier redshirt a tin of kids as well. Some kids can really benefit with an extra year if experience/lifting. You never fully know what you have in a kid until he suits up and you see him day in and day out in the gym, in class, on the weight room....what's so bad about wanting a veteran like Phil Greene around for a fifth year? What is so bad about wanting to see he kid get 25-30 mpg instead of 10-15?

I think we have seen enough of what Phil Greene playing 25-30 mpg accomplishes and its not an NCAA tournament bid.

 

[Marillac]

Redshirting a Senior = I dropped the ball recruiting this next class

I don't care what coach it is (especially someone who has recruited top classes before), but no one just takes off a recruiting cycle. No one.

Everything smells like he did for '14.

Plugging in a 3* and claiming we didn't have many ships to fill is an outright lie and I wish someone would call him out on it.

He had ample opportunity to lock in on a quality player or two and he chose not to.

He stopped recruiting Whitehead because he claimed it would look bad to lose a NY kid. What type of nonsense is that? Go down fighting or just give up. But if you're not going to coach, do what you do best.

I'm preparing myself for his speech come April full of exaggerations and fake hype talking about how under the radar this '14 class will be and how he's focused on '15.

I don't think that has to be the case. When Lavin redshirted Ray Young it was because he had recruited over the kid and he was waiting for Kapono to enter the draft and a few seniors to graduate.

If, for some reason, we got Antoine Mason and redshirted a senior it would be because the senior holds more value as a 5th year senior on a young team than he would playing 10 mpg behind Antoine Mason.

I'm a big fan of the redshirt and I particularly like the mid-career redshirt.

Of course you do. Because you're a college football fan and with 90 ships its a necessity. With 13 ships it's called mismanagement.

Then Bill Self mismanaged his way to a few Final Fours. Xavier redshirt a tin of kids as well. Some kids can really benefit with an extra year if experience/lifting. You never fully know what you have in a kid until he suits up and you see him day in and day out in the gym, in class, on the weight room....what's so bad about wanting a veteran like Phil Greene around for a fifth year? What is so bad about wanting to see he kid get 25-30 mpg instead of 10-15?

I'm all for a freshman redshirt. Mid-career is a different story.

First you started with Ray Young as a SR. Have other SR examples? Or mid career now as we continue to slip back from 4th year?

*No comment on wanting Phil Greene around for a 5th year.

I'm not trying to "slip back from 4th year" redshirts. I love redshirts any time. I actually prefer them after the freshman year because then they know what to work on. 5th years seniors are very valuable and things come up over a four year career that maybe were not present during a kid's 1st year: kids going to NBA, transfers, players in the same or lower class blowing up, recruiting over the kid, scholarhip imbalance, etc.

Let's say we get Anotine Mason--I know I completely created this transfer situation, but I think it does make a ton of sensw given his brothter played here, Niagara sucks, and Father Maher sat closer that MJ Maher for all our games the last decade--that would render one or two of Greene-Branch-Pointer almost completely useless for next season. They would hold tremdenous value in 2015, though, and an extra year of training could only help them.

Some of our best players sat out a year: Bootsy, Glover....Brust?

If people rip Harrison people will equally love Mason and his 3 point %

210 pounds of muscle and 10.5 FT attempts per game. Can't keep the kid out of the lane and that will translate to the Big East. He won't be near 25 a game, but I'd gladly take 10-12.

 

[Andrew]

Redshirting a Senior = I dropped the ball recruiting this next class

I don't care what coach it is (especially someone who has recruited top classes before), but no one just takes off a recruiting cycle. No one.

Everything smells like he did for '14.

Plugging in a 3* and claiming we didn't have many ships to fill is an outright lie and I wish someone would call him out on it.

He had ample opportunity to lock in on a quality player or two and he chose not to.

He stopped recruiting Whitehead because he claimed it would look bad to lose a NY kid. What type of nonsense is that? Go down fighting or just give up. But if you're not going to coach, do what you do best.

I'm preparing myself for his speech come April full of exaggerations and fake hype talking about how under the radar this '14 class will be and how he's focused on '15.

I don't think that has to be the case. When Lavin redshirted Ray Young it was because he had recruited over the kid and he was waiting for Kapono to enter the draft and a few seniors to graduate.

If, for some reason, we got Antoine Mason and redshirted a senior it would be because the senior holds more value as a 5th year senior on a young team than he would playing 10 mpg behind Antoine Mason.

I'm a big fan of the redshirt and I particularly like the mid-career redshirt.

Of course you do. Because you're a college football fan and with 90 ships its a necessity. With 13 ships it's called mismanagement.

Then Bill Self mismanaged his way to a few Final Fours. Xavier redshirt a tin of kids as well. Some kids can really benefit with an extra year if experience/lifting. You never fully know what you have in a kid until he suits up and you see him day in and day out in the gym, in class, on the weight room....what's so bad about wanting a veteran like Phil Greene around for a fifth year? What is so bad about wanting to see he kid get 25-30 mpg instead of 10-15?

I'm all for a freshman redshirt. Mid-career is a different story.

First you started with Ray Young as a SR. Have other SR examples? Or mid career now as we continue to slip back from 4th year?

*No comment on wanting Phil Greene around for a 5th year.

I'm not trying to "slip back from 4th year" redshirts. I love redshirts any time. I actually prefer them after the freshman year because then they know what to work on. 5th years seniors are very valuable and things come up over a four year career that maybe were not present during a kid's 1st year: kids going to NBA, transfers, players in the same or lower class blowing up, recruiting over the kid, scholarhip imbalance, etc.

Let's say we get Anotine Mason--I know I completely created this transfer situation, but I think it does make a ton of sensw given his brothter played here, Niagara sucks, and Father Maher sat closer that MJ Maher for all our games the last decade--that would render one or two of Greene-Branch-Pointer almost completely useless for next season. They would hold tremdenous value in 2015, though, and an extra year of training could only help them.

Some of our best players sat out a year: Bootsy, Glover....Brust?

If people rip Harrison people will equally love Mason and his 3 point %

Agree. He just shot 6-18 against St. Peter's. That will go over well.

 

[Marillac]

Redshirting a Senior = I dropped the ball recruiting this next class

I don't care what coach it is (especially someone who has recruited top classes before), but no one just takes off a recruiting cycle. No one.

Everything smells like he did for '14.

Plugging in a 3* and claiming we didn't have many ships to fill is an outright lie and I wish someone would call him out on it.

He had ample opportunity to lock in on a quality player or two and he chose not to.

He stopped recruiting Whitehead because he claimed it would look bad to lose a NY kid. What type of nonsense is that? Go down fighting or just give up. But if you're not going to coach, do what you do best.

I'm preparing myself for his speech come April full of exaggerations and fake hype talking about how under the radar this '14 class will be and how he's focused on '15.

I don't think that has to be the case. When Lavin redshirted Ray Young it was because he had recruited over the kid and he was waiting for Kapono to enter the draft and a few seniors to graduate.

If, for some reason, we got Antoine Mason and redshirted a senior it would be because the senior holds more value as a 5th year senior on a young team than he would playing 10 mpg behind Antoine Mason.

I'm a big fan of the redshirt and I particularly like the mid-career redshirt.

Of course you do. Because you're a college football fan and with 90 ships its a necessity. With 13 ships it's called mismanagement.

Then Bill Self mismanaged his way to a few Final Fours. Xavier redshirt a tin of kids as well. Some kids can really benefit with an extra year if experience/lifting. You never fully know what you have in a kid until he suits up and you see him day in and day out in the gym, in class, on the weight room....what's so bad about wanting a veteran like Phil Greene around for a fifth year? What is so bad about wanting to see he kid get 25-30 mpg instead of 10-15?

I think we have seen enough of what Phil Greene playing 25-30 mpg accomplishes and its not an NCAA tournament bid.

At PG, yeah. I think his 41.3% from three could be used.

 

[Marillac]

What are the odds Zags writes an article about Antoine Mason to SJU rumors?

 

[Moose]

What are the odds Zags writes an article about Antoine Mason to SJU rumors?

0

Consider the source

 

[MarkRedman]

Have a feeling we are gonna be big time players for some transfers once the season ends

I think so too.
Lavin said he would sign 3-4 this spring. He wouldn't say that unless he knew had a few guys ready to pop.

4 means someone is not coming back.

Yeah, that is just a reality in college basketball these days. The fact that he said 3-4 makes me really think he's got plans that we don't know about. I won't doubt the man on recruiting. If we win, he'll deliver.

Not that I have heard ANYTHING about it, but Antoine Mason, Anthony's younger brother, is the second leading scorer in the country behind McDermott, averaging 25.2 points per game, and will graduate this spring with a year of eligibility remaining. Niagara is going nowhere next season andthe President of Niagara was on the SJU bench for years.

Bring him on, redshirt Greene, Branch, or Pointer and we are better off for two years. Jordan-Harrison-Mason 1-2-3 would be light years better than Pointer at the three...the kid can drive with the best of them.

A SR is not going to get redshirt.

Especially not Branch, who redshirt once already when he transferred to St John's
Unless Jamal wants to try to break the record for the oldest Johnnie in history
I would think that "old man" Sanchez holds that honor right now

 

[austour]

As someone pointed out to me when I made the same mistake on another thread Branch has played all or parts of four consecutive years since joining S&M as a Freshman. No full transfer year, no redshirt

 

[Mike]

He started this thread to show how strong the big east is in recruiting, he wasn't taken a slam at the staff. Joking here of course

Hey Mike & Tom,
Take a gander to where I mentioned about hoping that players picking up their phones or emailing the StJohns staff [see post #104814 on page 3]and you will see it was in response to transfers.
As you know it would be a violation of NCAA rules for the StJohns staff to contact or recruit a player committed to another school unless that player first obtains a release. So yes, I hope that a transfer picks up the phone or emails a member of the StJohns staff. Capisce?

You are right I should've left my response all by itself. No matter what it's still the truth. Capisce?

 

[Marillac]

What are the odds Zags writes an article about Antoine Mason to SJU rumors?

0

Consider the source

Hahaha thanks.
It wouldn't be the first time he's ran with one of my posts.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Redshirting a Senior = I dropped the ball recruiting this next class

I don't care what coach it is (especially someone who has recruited top classes before), but no one just takes off a recruiting cycle. No one.

Everything smells like he did for '14.

Plugging in a 3* and claiming we didn't have many ships to fill is an outright lie and I wish someone would call him out on it.

He had ample opportunity to lock in on a quality player or two and he chose not to.

He stopped recruiting Whitehead because he claimed it would look bad to lose a NY kid. What type of nonsense is that? Go down fighting or just give up. But if you're not going to coach, do what you do best.

I'm preparing myself for his speech come April full of exaggerations and fake hype talking about how under the radar this '14 class will be and how he's focused on '15.

I don't think that has to be the case. When Lavin redshirted Ray Young it was because he had recruited over the kid and he was waiting for Kapono to enter the draft and a few seniors to graduate.

If, for some reason, we got Antoine Mason and redshirted a senior it would be because the senior holds more value as a 5th year senior on a young team than he would playing 10 mpg behind Antoine Mason.

I'm a big fan of the redshirt and I particularly like the mid-career redshirt.

Of course you do. Because you're a college football fan and with 90 ships its a necessity. With 13 ships it's called mismanagement.

Then Bill Self mismanaged his way to a few Final Fours. Xavier redshirt a tin of kids as well. Some kids can really benefit with an extra year if experience/lifting. You never fully know what you have in a kid until he suits up and you see him day in and day out in the gym, in class, on the weight room....what's so bad about wanting a veteran like Phil Greene around for a fifth year? What is so bad about wanting to see he kid get 25-30 mpg instead of 10-15?

I'm all for a freshman redshirt. Mid-career is a different story.

First you started with Ray Young as a SR. Have other SR examples? Or mid career now as we continue to slip back from 4th year?

*No comment on wanting Phil Greene around for a 5th year.

I'm not trying to "slip back from 4th year" redshirts. I love redshirts any time. I actually prefer them after the freshman year because then they know what to work on. 5th years seniors are very valuable and things come up over a four year career that maybe were not present during a kid's 1st year: kids going to NBA, transfers, players in the same or lower class blowing up, recruiting over the kid, scholarhip imbalance, etc.

Let's say we get Anotine Mason--I know I completely created this transfer situation, but I think it does make a ton of sensw given his brothter played here, Niagara sucks, and Father Maher sat closer that MJ Maher for all our games the last decade--

I introduced myself to Father Maher at one of the Presidents dinners a few years ago. I went up to him and said " Hello Fr Maher my name is Mike Maher " and he asked me if I was mjmaher from redmen.com. lol

Very nice guy

 

[Moose]

Have a feeling we are gonna be big time players for some transfers once the season ends

I think so too.
Lavin said he would sign 3-4 this spring. He wouldn't say that unless he knew had a few guys ready to pop.

4 means someone is not coming back.

Yeah, that is just a reality in college basketball these days. The fact that he said 3-4 makes me really think he's got plans that we don't know about. I won't doubt the man on recruiting. If we win, he'll deliver.

Not that I have heard ANYTHING about it, but Antoine Mason, Anthony's younger brother, is the second leading scorer in the country behind McDermott, averaging 25.2 points per game, and will graduate this spring with a year of eligibility remaining. Niagara is going nowhere next season andthe President of Niagara was on the SJU bench for years.

Bring him on, redshirt Greene, Branch, or Pointer and we are better off for two years. Jordan-Harrison-Mason 1-2-3 would be light years better than Pointer at the three...the kid can drive with the best of them.

A SR is not going to get redshirt.

Especially not Branch, who redshirt once already when he transferred to St John's
Unless Jamal wants to try to break the record for the oldest Johnnie in history
I would think that "old man" Sanchez holds that honor right now

You do know there are a lot of much older players playing college ball right? Sanchez is not really an exception.

 

[Jack Williams]

Antoine Mason dropped 38 against Marist in an upset win over Marist in the first round of the MAAC tournament.

He did it without hitting a single three pointer...

 

[Marillac]

Antoine Mason dropped 38 against Marist in an upset win over Marist in the first round of the MAAC tournament.

He did it without hitting a single three pointer...

Coach Lavin, get on the phone with Mase Sr.! Maybe have someone reach out to Father Maher or Mase Jr. Let's get a Mason legacy at SJU and MSG.

 

[Moose]

Antoine Mason dropped 38 against Marist in an upset win over Marist in the first round of the MAAC tournament.

He did it without hitting a single three pointer...

How many did he take

 

[Moose]

Antoine Mason dropped 38 against Marist in an upset win over Marist in the first round of the MAAC tournament.

He did it without hitting a single three pointer...

Coach Lavin, get on the phone with Mase Sr.! Maybe have someone reach out to Father Maher or Mase Jr. Let's get a Mason legacy at SJU and MSG.

Another reason Norm failed. He couldnt get us the Littlest Mase. We got the wrong one.

 

[ccnobz]

Antoine Mason dropped 38 against Marist in an upset win over Marist in the first round of the MAAC tournament.

He did it without hitting a single three pointer...

Coach Lavin, get on the phone with Mase Sr.! Maybe have someone reach out to Father Maher or Mase Jr. Let's get a Mason legacy at SJU and MSG.

He was just on Wfan, sounded great. Always one of my all time fav Knicks!