BET - Xavier (1), Thur. Mar. 8, 12 Noon, FS1 / Radio TBD

[quote="redmannorth" post=275981][quote="MJDinkins" post=275958][quote="redmannorth" post=275945][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=275918]Xavier has a long tradition of punky behavior , before joining the BE . They and Cincinnati has a near riot , a few years ago , when the Bearcats were still in the BE. Mack was Coach then too. We need to run it up next year , when they play without Machura , Bluett, etc . On a different note , I am amazed and humored by those who continue to plead for new Assistant Coaches . Why? Really ? And , the only name those posters mention is Mike Rice . Another Why ? Rice failed his first gig at Rutgers . I admire his going through therapy , Anger Management programs , etc but , I see no reason he belongs on our Staff . I am happy with St. Jean, Richmond and Matt A. All have their areas of skill and expertise . I may be alone on this but, I think Mullin has become a very good Coach . I never shared the sniping or minutia about sitting on the Press bench or not wearing a tie . All that stuff is petty . Brey never wears a Tie . He has moved on from the turtlenecks though . Huggy wears a Warm up suit from Practice .. More than a few fans here , forget how bare the Cupboard was , when Chris took over . In my mind , Mullins first year Record was really Lavin’s Record . And , don’t believe for a minute that Jordan or Obepka would have stayed if Steve had been renewed . So , to those who still harp on getting new Assistants to help Mullin Coach , I say No ! He doesn’t need help , We need better Jimmy and Joe’s not , new X’s and O’s To coin a phrase , not my own . Sure , we need the Core 4 back . Owens, Clarke , Simon and Ponds . And , hopefully those who sat out this year will help but, I don’t think even then we have enough to finish in the top 3 in the league . We desperately need a bruiser in the Post to Rebound , score on our put backs and crash Both boards . And , we need a sharpshooter like Howard, Rousey, Bluett , Martin, , etc to drain those 3’s . Clarke shoots well enough but, we need another dead eye shooter. The type of player we don’t have yet . The guy who comes down Court and throws in 3-4 from near NBA Range with a good percentage . So many times this year , we had our backs broken by the other guys coming down court and draining that long 3 . Only in rare occasion did we really shoot well from 3 . It’s a glaring need .[/quote]

Excellent post and no truer words were ever written than “ Mullins first year record was really Lavign’s record. “
It never ceases to amaze me how some on this board are so willfully blind that they cannot see what a con artist Lavin was and hold Coach Mullin accountable for the bufffoons transgressions. The man stoppedrecruiting after year 3 and had an excuse for everything under the sun. I cringe when I see him on tv and turn down the volume. I will never forget reading that post roughly8 years ago written by a UCLA alumn. I thought what sour grapes. Well boy were they correct.[/quote]

It amazes me you can't stop talking about Lavin like some scorned woman. It's all about deflection because deep down you're either not sold on Mullin or there's some insecurities going on in your life.

Lavin stopped recruiting after year 3, huh? Lies. He did slack off, but it wasn't that soon. Mainly, why he slacked off was due to administration problems and other personal issues. By the way, if you think Lavin stopped recruiting, then let me know when our current regime (outside of one) starts recruiting. Obviously, you either don't know or have your head in the sand. I can tell you, dude.... Lethargy is on Utopia.

Who gives a F what UCLA fans think? They're always gonna complain if they are in the Final Four or going deep into the tournament. Lavin didn't come without flaws, and probably should've been let go from St. John's when it happened, but let's not continue to make up lies and smear his name because you seem to loathe him personally (I don't know why, as if it's not like you was consistently in his presence or conversing with him) and seem to have your own form of insecurities. Talk Mullin up on his own merits, and stop crapping on Lavin in an attempt to pump up Mullin.[/quote]

It continually amazes me how you jump to the Buffoons défense every time his name is mentioned. You continually jump into every conversation whether it was addressed to you or not. I was commenting on sly foxes post to which I agree 1000%.
You don’t give Coach Mullin any slack continue to point out how he is lazy , doesn’t recruit , lethargic, etc, but continually attempt to come to the rescue of the self serving Buffoon. It is pretty clear to the entire board what you are doing. And you even admit he stopped recruiting but to quote you who gives a damn what his reasons were for not recruiting after year 3 ? It doesn’t matter to me , he stopped doing the one thing he was capable of other than babbling on and on.
Perhaps you should reread some of the crap you write in his défense.[/quote]

It completely amazes me how you can't stop talking about Lavin. Maybe, if you stop bringing him up or can refrain about talking about him so much, then I wouldn't have to interject. He's been gone for 3 seasons.

The other thing is you continue to form your opinions and try to convey it as truth. The reason I continue to say that Mullin isn't recruiting and lethargic because I know the story. So, what do you have to say now? If the board knows what I'm doing, then WTH is it that you're doing, Mr. Contradiction? I'm not doing anything other than debunking your "crap," as you call it.

Push your hypocrisy and contradictions on me, and I'll call it out.

Maybe, you need to read your "crap" more carefully and stop whining like a scorned woman.
 
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Have the wed games on tuesday and one day break. That solves the problem right there
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=275988]Have the wed games on tuesday and one day break. That solves the problem right there[/quote]

Good idea. If it’s changed—and it should be—hope it doesn’t bite St. John’s some year! Joking, I hope.
 
It's a dumb schedule, but frankly if we're an 8/9 seed next year then we'd have wayyyy bigger problems than worrying about this again.

Let's just finish top 6, which we should have no problem with, and then the schedule can actually work in our favor.

Hell, maybe even finish 1/2 and have an easy trip to the semis.

I agree the schedule should be changed, but let that be DePaul's concern and not ours.

0-11 sank us, not the BET.
 
[quote="otis" post=275884]To the poster(s) who yesterday immediately condemned Bashir Ahmed for being solely responsible whatever incident occurred in the “handshake line” following the Xavier game please let me refresh you memory of what occurred this past December when a like disturbance occurred in the same type after game handshake line between Cincinnati Coach Mick Cronin and Xavier player JP Macura.

Coach Cronin who enjoys a long favorable reputation in the sports world alleges that Macura told him to “f*ck off” and hurled other obscenities to him several times during their game.. Much like he did after the flare up with StJohn’s Xavier coach Chris Mack promptly defended his star player and criticized who Macura had had his run in with.

So yeah, I wish the unpleasant incident never occurred but unless and until we understand what occurred between the StJohn’s players and Macura we are unable to judge blame. I do know that having watched many Xavier games this season I have seen more trash talking from Xavier than all of the other Big East teams combined which is why my second favorite Big East team is whichever one is playing Xavier.

[URL][URL]https://www.washingtonpos...cincinnati-vs-xavier-heats-up-again/?utm_term[/URL][/URL]=.2e6ee33e8434[/quote]

Well said OTIS!
The Xavier coach should have been more worried why his players, up by 26 with 30 seconds left, had to execute a dunk when he clearly told them to hold the ball.
Mullin was not being sucked into the debate and true to his Brooklyn roots said "I didn't see anything".
Xavier is my new most hated team replacing Georgetown.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=275988]Have the wed games on tuesday and one day break. That solves the problem right there[/quote]

Just use the format they used prior to the "new" Big East. It's the same format the ACC, PAC 12, and Big 10 uses..... Playing at the same time (or later) everyday you win .
 
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[quote="MJDinkins" post=275984][quote="redmannorth" post=275981][quote="MJDinkins" post=275958][quote="redmannorth" post=275945][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=275918]Xavier has a long tradition of punky behavior , before joining the BE . They and Cincinnati has a near riot , a few years ago , when the Bearcats were still in the BE. Mack was Coach then too. We need to run it up next year , when they play without Machura , Bluett, etc . On a different note , I am amazed and humored by those who continue to plead for new Assistant Coaches . Why? Really ? And , the only name those posters mention is Mike Rice . Another Why ? Rice failed his first gig at Rutgers . I admire his going through therapy , Anger Management programs , etc but , I see no reason he belongs on our Staff . I am happy with St. Jean, Richmond and Matt A. All have their areas of skill and expertise . I may be alone on this but, I think Mullin has become a very good Coach . I never shared the sniping or minutia about sitting on the Press bench or not wearing a tie . All that stuff is petty . Brey never wears a Tie . He has moved on from the turtlenecks though . Huggy wears a Warm up suit from Practice .. More than a few fans here , forget how bare the Cupboard was , when Chris took over . In my mind , Mullins first year Record was really Lavin’s Record . And , don’t believe for a minute that Jordan or Obepka would have stayed if Steve had been renewed . So , to those who still harp on getting new Assistants to help Mullin Coach , I say No ! He doesn’t need help , We need better Jimmy and Joe’s not , new X’s and O’s To coin a phrase , not my own . Sure , we need the Core 4 back . Owens, Clarke , Simon and Ponds . And , hopefully those who sat out this year will help but, I don’t think even then we have enough to finish in the top 3 in the league . We desperately need a bruiser in the Post to Rebound , score on our put backs and crash Both boards . And , we need a sharpshooter like Howard, Rousey, Bluett , Martin, , etc to drain those 3’s . Clarke shoots well enough but, we need another dead eye shooter. The type of player we don’t have yet . The guy who comes down Court and throws in 3-4 from near NBA Range with a good percentage . So many times this year , we had our backs broken by the other guys coming down court and draining that long 3 . Only in rare occasion did we really shoot well from 3 . It’s a glaring need .[/quote]

Excellent post and no truer words were ever written than “ Mullins first year record was really Lavign’s record. “
It never ceases to amaze me how some on this board are so willfully blind that they cannot see what a con artist Lavin was and hold Coach Mullin accountable for the bufffoons transgressions. The man stoppedrecruiting after year 3 and had an excuse for everything under the sun. I cringe when I see him on tv and turn down the volume. I will never forget reading that post roughly8 years ago written by a UCLA alumn. I thought what sour grapes. Well boy were they correct.[/quote]

It amazes me you can't stop talking about Lavin like some scorned woman. It's all about deflection because deep down you're either not sold on Mullin or there's some insecurities going on in your life.

Lavin stopped recruiting after year 3, huh? Lies. He did slack off, but it wasn't that soon. Mainly, why he slacked off was due to administration problems and other personal issues. By the way, if you think Lavin stopped recruiting, then let me know when our current regime (outside of one) starts recruiting. Obviously, you either don't know or have your head in the sand. I can tell you, dude.... Lethargy is on Utopia.

Who gives a F what UCLA fans think? They're always gonna complain if they are in the Final Four or going deep into the tournament. Lavin didn't come without flaws, and probably should've been let go from St. John's when it happened, but let's not continue to make up lies and smear his name because you seem to loathe him personally (I don't know why, as if it's not like you was consistently in his presence or conversing with him) and seem to have your own form of insecurities. Talk Mullin up on his own merits, and stop crapping on Lavin in an attempt to pump up Mullin.[/quote]

It continually amazes me how you jump to the Buffoons défense every time his name is mentioned. You continually jump into every conversation whether it was addressed to you or not. I was commenting on sly foxes post to which I agree 1000%.
You don’t give Coach Mullin any slack continue to point out how he is lazy , doesn’t recruit , lethargic, etc, but continually attempt to come to the rescue of the self serving Buffoon. It is pretty clear to the entire board what you are doing. And you even admit he stopped recruiting but to quote you who gives a damn what his reasons were for not recruiting after year 3 ? It doesn’t matter to me , he stopped doing the one thing he was capable of other than babbling on and on.
Perhaps you should reread some of the crap you write in his défense.[/quote]

It completely amazes me how you can't stop talking about Lavin. Maybe, if you stop bringing him up or can refrain about talking about him so much, then I wouldn't have to interject. He's been gone for 3 seasons.

The other thing is you continue to form your opinions and try to convey it as truth. The reason I continue to say that Mullin isn't recruiting and lethargic because I know the story. So, what do you have to say now? If the board knows what I'm doing, then WTH is it that you're doing, Mr. Contradiction? I'm not doing anything other than debunking your "crap," as you call it.

Push your hypocrisy and contradictions on me, and I'll call it out.

Maybe, you need to read your "crap" more carefully and stop whining like a scorned woman.[/quote]

All you are doing is putting forth your opinion which I certainly do not share. Your opinion is not the truth , but rather your opinion. You say when will this staff start recruiting ? Your hatred of Coach Mullin knows know boundaries. Dixon, Keita, Diakite, Roberts, Williams and ME. By my count that is 6 recruits for next season and the staff are still recruiting. Stop trying to preach to this board because other than the Lavin Lovers no one is buying your crap. I truly wonder who has been scorned ????
 
Have only been posting for the past 6 months. What disheartens me at times is seeing the same kind of lack of civility here that permeates our country. We are all Johnnie fan(atic)s and that should unit us. There is no denying that Coach Lavin brought us back from complete irrelevancy to the front and back pages of the NY Post. That was huge! Granted his other years were far from perfect, but neither were they miserable. He was a good guy, who had his faults and we probably rightly moved on. I supported Lavin (not without reservations) and I support Chris (not without criticisms). But I support the Johnnies w/o any reservations. I am cautiously optimistic about next year. Let's be an antidote to the nonsense that pervades our national discourse.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=276020][quote="MJDinkins" post=275984][quote="redmannorth" post=275981][quote="MJDinkins" post=275958][quote="redmannorth" post=275945][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=275918]Xavier has a long tradition of punky behavior , before joining the BE . They and Cincinnati has a near riot , a few years ago , when the Bearcats were still in the BE. Mack was Coach then too. We need to run it up next year , when they play without Machura , Bluett, etc . On a different note , I am amazed and humored by those who continue to plead for new Assistant Coaches . Why? Really ? And , the only name those posters mention is Mike Rice . Another Why ? Rice failed his first gig at Rutgers . I admire his going through therapy , Anger Management programs , etc but , I see no reason he belongs on our Staff . I am happy with St. Jean, Richmond and Matt A. All have their areas of skill and expertise . I may be alone on this but, I think Mullin has become a very good Coach . I never shared the sniping or minutia about sitting on the Press bench or not wearing a tie . All that stuff is petty . Brey never wears a Tie . He has moved on from the turtlenecks though . Huggy wears a Warm up suit from Practice .. More than a few fans here , forget how bare the Cupboard was , when Chris took over . In my mind , Mullins first year Record was really Lavin’s Record . And , don’t believe for a minute that Jordan or Obepka would have stayed if Steve had been renewed . So , to those who still harp on getting new Assistants to help Mullin Coach , I say No ! He doesn’t need help , We need better Jimmy and Joe’s not , new X’s and O’s To coin a phrase , not my own . Sure , we need the Core 4 back . Owens, Clarke , Simon and Ponds . And , hopefully those who sat out this year will help but, I don’t think even then we have enough to finish in the top 3 in the league . We desperately need a bruiser in the Post to Rebound , score on our put backs and crash Both boards . And , we need a sharpshooter like Howard, Rousey, Bluett , Martin, , etc to drain those 3’s . Clarke shoots well enough but, we need another dead eye shooter. The type of player we don’t have yet . The guy who comes down Court and throws in 3-4 from near NBA Range with a good percentage . So many times this year , we had our backs broken by the other guys coming down court and draining that long 3 . Only in rare occasion did we really shoot well from 3 . It’s a glaring need .[/quote]

Excellent post and no truer words were ever written than “ Mullins first year record was really Lavign’s record. “
It never ceases to amaze me how some on this board are so willfully blind that they cannot see what a con artist Lavin was and hold Coach Mullin accountable for the bufffoons transgressions. The man stoppedrecruiting after year 3 and had an excuse for everything under the sun. I cringe when I see him on tv and turn down the volume. I will never forget reading that post roughly8 years ago written by a UCLA alumn. I thought what sour grapes. Well boy were they correct.[/quote]

It amazes me you can't stop talking about Lavin like some scorned woman. It's all about deflection because deep down you're either not sold on Mullin or there's some insecurities going on in your life.

Lavin stopped recruiting after year 3, huh? Lies. He did slack off, but it wasn't that soon. Mainly, why he slacked off was due to administration problems and other personal issues. By the way, if you think Lavin stopped recruiting, then let me know when our current regime (outside of one) starts recruiting. Obviously, you either don't know or have your head in the sand. I can tell you, dude.... Lethargy is on Utopia.

Who gives a F what UCLA fans think? They're always gonna complain if they are in the Final Four or going deep into the tournament. Lavin didn't come without flaws, and probably should've been let go from St. John's when it happened, but let's not continue to make up lies and smear his name because you seem to loathe him personally (I don't know why, as if it's not like you was consistently in his presence or conversing with him) and seem to have your own form of insecurities. Talk Mullin up on his own merits, and stop crapping on Lavin in an attempt to pump up Mullin.[/quote]

It continually amazes me how you jump to the Buffoons défense every time his name is mentioned. You continually jump into every conversation whether it was addressed to you or not. I was commenting on sly foxes post to which I agree 1000%.
You don’t give Coach Mullin any slack continue to point out how he is lazy , doesn’t recruit , lethargic, etc, but continually attempt to come to the rescue of the self serving Buffoon. It is pretty clear to the entire board what you are doing. And you even admit he stopped recruiting but to quote you who gives a damn what his reasons were for not recruiting after year 3 ? It doesn’t matter to me , he stopped doing the one thing he was capable of other than babbling on and on.
Perhaps you should reread some of the crap you write in his défense.[/quote]

It completely amazes me how you can't stop talking about Lavin. Maybe, if you stop bringing him up or can refrain about talking about him so much, then I wouldn't have to interject. He's been gone for 3 seasons.

The other thing is you continue to form your opinions and try to convey it as truth. The reason I continue to say that Mullin isn't recruiting and lethargic because I know the story. So, what do you have to say now? If the board knows what I'm doing, then WTH is it that you're doing, Mr. Contradiction? I'm not doing anything other than debunking your "crap," as you call it.

Push your hypocrisy and contradictions on me, and I'll call it out.

Maybe, you need to read your "crap" more carefully and stop whining like a scorned woman.[/quote]

All you are doing is putting forth your opinion which I certainly do not share. Your opinion is not the truth , but rather your opinion. You say when will this staff start recruiting ? Your hatred of Coach Mullin knows know boundaries. Dixon, Keita, Diakite, Roberts, Williams and ME. By my count that is 6 recruits for next season and the staff are still recruiting. Stop trying to preach to this board because other than the Lavin Lovers no one is buying your crap. I truly wonder who has been scorned ????[/quote]

Hatred? Wrong again, fool! Don't project your personality on me. You're the one with the hatred.

You're a hypocrite and a contradictor that spew your opinion like it's the gospel. If you think I don't have any legit stories per the staff not (outside of one) not carrying their weight on the recruiting trail, then that"s your prorogative. But, I know the deal. I don't nor won't share (at least, not with you).

If you think I'm scorned, then you're more obtuse than I thought. I have a strong personality and strong convictions, and not too tolerable of BS. It's just that simple..... Kinda like you.

We're continuing to lose games and all you can do is talk about Lavin like an envious, scorned woman.

Talk about Mullin and what he's doing with the program. I hardly ever see you do such a thing. You'd rather deflect, though.

We can end this dialogue, as we're not gonna agree nor will I share anything with you. Or, keep it going. It doesn't matter to me.
 
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Whether you think Lavin should have been fired or not the guy made us completely relevant again. He didnt ruin us like Jarvis at the end or make us completely irrelevant like Norm. Let it go. He isn't our coach anymore
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=276023]Have only been posting for the past 6 months. What disheartens me at times is seeing the same kind of lack of civility here that permeates our country. We are all Johnnie fan(atic)s and that should unit us. There is no denying that Coach Lavin brought us back from complete irrelevancy to the front and back pages of the NY Post. That was huge! Granted his other years were far from perfect, but neither were they miserable. He was a good guy, who had his faults and we probably rightly moved on. I supported Lavin (not without reservations) and I support Chris (not without criticisms). But I support the Johnnies w/o any reservations. I am cautiously optimistic about next year. Let's be an antidote to the nonsense that pervades our national discourse.[/quote]
Good points. Too bad it didn't even last one post.:lol:
 
Not about us & Xavier, but Providence came from way behind to take Xavier to OT with two clutch FTs (on what looked like a blown continuation call that might've resulted in a one point win). Whatever you think of him, Cooley can coach.
 
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[quote="redken" post=276032]Not about us & Xavier, but Providence came from way behind to take Xavier to OT with two clutch FTs (on what looked like a blown continuation call that might've resulted in a one point win). Whatever you think of him, Cooley can coach.[/quote]
Was that Bluitt who blew it on the uncontested lay up that would have put X up 4 and cinched it?
 
[quote="redken" post=276032]Not about us & Xavier, but Providence came from way behind to take Xavier to OT with two clutch FTs (on what looked like a blown continuation call that might've resulted in a one point win). Whatever you think of him, Cooley can coach.[/quote] what a game !!!
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=276023]Have only been posting for the past 6 months. What disheartens me at times is seeing the same kind of lack of civility here that permeates our country. We are all Johnnie fan(atic)s and that should unit us. There is no denying that Coach Lavin brought us back from complete irrelevancy to the front and back pages of the NY Post. That was huge! Granted his other years were far from perfect, but neither were they miserable. He was a good guy, who had his faults and we probably rightly moved on. I supported Lavin (not without reservations) and I support Chris (not without criticisms). But I support the Johnnies w/o any reservations. I am cautiously optimistic about next year. Let's be an antidote to the nonsense that pervades our national discourse.[/quote]

Very well said NCJohnnie!!!!
As RMN pointed out what is expressed here are opinions and to me every opinion matters whether we like it or not. Our country is the home of free speech. I understand the mods relegating Fun/Foad to his own blog because of his writing style and content rather than his opinion. Most of the mods here are super fair and unlike the Big East refs, are wise enough to let the old boys play. I say most because we all know that there is always that one guy that merely lurks in the shadows and contributes zero here. The same goes for missing posters that only resurface in times of wins or terrible losses. Hopefully the only purpose here is to support our redmen and not to sociopathically target other posters whose opinions they disagree with.
So,  guys, it's the end of season three under Chris Mullin with mixed results thus far.  We all want Chris to succeed because if he does so will St. John's and that is all most of us want. Hopefully in year four we return to the upper half of the Big East standings.  If we don't anyone still choosing to play the ex post facto blame game with Steve Lavin will risk loss of any credibility on this fan site.  Chris has had two honeymoons in New York City.  Clearly his first year was forgivable.  His second year was much better with new players. This, his third year, was his second honeymoon due to the loss of his major recruit and the mysterious departure of Marcus LoVett.  Steve Lavin had nothing to do with the departure of players recruited by Matt and Chris.  If anything, the recruiting may have suffered more because of Mullin than Lavin with the banishment of Slice.
So, next year, it will all be on Chris and his staff.  Personally, I hope Mitch Richmond becomes more involved in recruiting.  If he chooses not to then Mullin must reassign him to consulting duties and hire an experienced assistant.  Hopefully this off season will bring a couple of changes to both the roster and staff to give fans hope.
 
Since this thread was supposed to be about the Xavier game, if you gentleman want to continue to go at each other, why not open a new thread and title it something like "Your Momma."
 
[quote="Knight" post=276038]Since this thread was supposed to be about the Xavier game, if you gentleman want to continue to go at each other, why not open a new thread and title it something like "Your Momma."[/quote] save that one for mothers day
 
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Friars win 75-72! The classless Macura called for charging on breakaway layup attempt that would've put Xavier up by one with seven seconds to go. How sweet!
 
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