BET-Villanova, Thur. Mar. 9, Noon, FS1/970AM

Wright putting Hart and Jenkins back in with 8 mins left up 35 was absurd, along with Nova firing 3 balls all the way to the buzzer. Have some class
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Yep! Last night Bennett had his UVA team hold the ball and let Pittsburg get it back instead of rolling up the score.
 
I get not "letting up" no matter what, but with 2-3 minutes to go, don't play to try to double the other team's score. That to me is bush league.

I thought Wright had a little more class than that.

A few years from now, when the tables are turned, I hope we don't do this to Nova.
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Been hearing about turning the tables for a long time. Do you really think in a couple of years we will be in a position to beat Nova by 41 points? They have beaten us what 18 straight. I'll take a one point win over them and be extremely happy.
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Have we even won since the SlyFox bus trip ? Lavin's first year
 
for as close as the coaches are or supposed to be, they kept pouring it on for what? Draining 3s with mins left up by 40? There is a thing called sportsmanship, they teach it in CYO. Nova easily had the game, sportsmanship Jay Wright. Surprised by this because I'm a fan of his.
 
Sorry but it is not coaching. You want to say Mullin is not inspiring effort, ok, but we have guys not interested in playing defense. Ahmed opens the game up letting Jenkins shoot two rocking chair 3's and biting for a pump fake for the 6,432 time this year. That is effort, focus, and commitment, not coaching.
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when they score 100 + and aren't the first team to do it part of it is coaching
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Sorry but I disagree. If you want to blame the coach for not motivating effort from the players, I understand that, don't agree necessarily, but I understand. But when I see the lack of effort this team played with too much of the time, I put it on the players. Now again, the coaches recruited the players and if you want to take that angle to blame, I get that too. But at the end of the day, the only player I fully respect on this years team is Owens, the only player to me who can look in the mirror and can say he consistently left it on the court on both ends. Certainly not our most talented or best player but if the rest committed like he did we would have had a significantly better year and I would feel a lot more positive about the improvement we made. For those who said last nights win made for a successful season, if not for Owens' block Peak would have laid the ball in and we walk away first round losers again, that's how close that scenario played out. With 6 seconds on the clock and taking the ball out at mid court he got to the rim so fast Gtown still had time for a second chance to score after the block scrum. We won and that was great, no question, but the utter lack of effort today left a bad taste in my mouth.
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Agree with Ownes but we will just have to agree to disagree about coaching defense because if that was the case then Al Lobalbo to use an SJU example is completely irrelevant as well as plenty of coaches who have a defensive identity

My biggest problem with the defense is we didnt improve from last year with better players so I'm not exactly sure what happened over the summer when supposedly most of the work is being done
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Agree to disagree but to beat a dead horse, improvement cannot and will not happen in anything in life if it doesn't start with effort and commitment. I have no problem with our record, losing to Nova, etc. I also think Ponds and Lovett are terrific offensive players and I hope Lovett stays. But all the coaching in the world will not help players who are not willing to leave it out there at BOTH ends of the court. One example, and I am not saying it is only Lovett by any means, this is just one example, but he is one of the quickest players I have ever seen with the ball in his hands, saw it many times this year. Yet I am hard pressed to remember one time he used that quickness to smother a ball handler, to make his man uncomfortable, turn him a time or two, etc. Basically the people he covered went where they wanted, when they wanted. To many that's ok, he averaged 17 and we can blame the defense on coaching; me, I put that bipolar play squarely on the player. Just different way of looking at players I guess. To me it starts with defense.
 
for as close as the coaches are or supposed to be, they kept pouring it on for what? Draining 3s with mins left up by 40? There is a thing called sportsmanship, they teach it in CYO. Nova easily had the game, sportsmanship Jay Wright. Surprised by this because I'm a fan of his.
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It's called playing better f'ing defense.
Don't blame Villanova for having fun on us at our expense and having fun, blame ourselves for not stopping them.

I say please don't have pitty on us, do as you wish and keep shooting the 3's, smack us around all you want.
There will be a time when we're on the same f'ing level, then it's game on.

But for now have your fun, we'll remember this.
 
Wright putting Hart and Jenkins back in with 8 mins left up 35 was absurd, along with Nova firing 3 balls all the way to the buzzer. Have some class
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Yep! Last night Bennett had his UVA team hold the ball and let Pittsburg get it back instead of rolling up the score.
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Are you serious? They were up 40 w/ the starters in the game shooting 3's
 
for as close as the coaches are or supposed to be, they kept pouring it on for what? Draining 3s with mins left up by 40? There is a thing called sportsmanship, they teach it in CYO. Nova easily had the game, sportsmanship Jay Wright. Surprised by this because I'm a fan of his.
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Spot on.
 
Sorry but it is not coaching. You want to say Mullin is not inspiring effort, ok, but we have guys not interested in playing defense. Ahmed opens the game up letting Jenkins shoot two rocking chair 3's and biting for a pump fake for the 6,432 time this year. That is effort, focus, and commitment, not coaching.
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when they score 100 + and aren't the first team to do it part of it is coaching
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Sorry but I disagree. If you want to blame the coach for not motivating effort from the players, I understand that, don't agree necessarily, but I understand. But when I see the lack of effort this team played with too much of the time, I put it on the players. Now again, the coaches recruited the players and if you want to take that angle to blame, I get that too. But at the end of the day, the only player I fully respect on this years team is Owens, the only player to me who can look in the mirror and can say he consistently left it on the court on both ends. Certainly not our most talented or best player but if the rest committed like he did we would have had a significantly better year and I would feel a lot more positive about the improvement we made. For those who said last nights win made for a successful season, if not for Owens' block Peak would have laid the ball in and we walk away first round losers again, that's how close that scenario played out. With 6 seconds on the clock and taking the ball out at mid court he got to the rim so fast Gtown still had time for a second chance to score after the block scrum. We won and that was great, no question, but the utter lack of effort today left a bad taste in my mouth.
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Agree with Ownes but we will just have to agree to disagree about coaching defense because if that was the case then Al Lobalbo to use an SJU example is completely irrelevant as well as plenty of coaches who have a defensive identity

My biggest problem with the defense is we didnt improve from last year with better players so I'm not exactly sure what happened over the summer when supposedly most of the work is being done
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Agree to disagree but to beat a dead horse, improvement cannot and will not happen in anything in life if it doesn't start with effort and commitment. I have no problem with our record, losing to Nova, etc. I also think Ponds and Lovett are terrific offensive players and I hope Lovett stays. But all the coaching in the world will not help players who are not willing to leave it out there at BOTH ends of the court. One example, and I am not saying it is only Lovett by any means, this is just one example, but he is one of the quickest players I have ever seen with the ball in his hands, saw it many times this year. Yet I am hard pressed to remember one time he used that quickness to smother a ball handler, to make his man uncomfortable, turn him a time or two, etc. Basically the people he covered went where they wanted, when they wanted. To many that's ok, he averaged 17 and we can blame the defense on coaching; me, I put that bipolar play squarely on the player. Just different way of looking at players I guess. To me it starts with defense.
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I can accept having one player that dogs it in defense. Maybe even a second player that comes off the bench. But to have a team full of players that don't defend at all, or try to defend but don't do it well? At some point, you have to look at the staff. Very often it wasn't weak defense, it was no defense whatsoever. I don't buy into the lack of effort argument for the blow outs and frequent poor starts. At least Ali B made players feel it when they drove to the basket. The amount of uncontested drives to the basket and three point shots allowed from day one until the final game was staggering. I would like to see a defensive specialist added to the staff. If it doesn't work, we can rule out the staff. At this point, I have to leave the staff into the equation.
 
The SJU roster just seems to be made of players who are all nice guys leaving the roster without any toughness. You don't need dirty players but you do require a player(s) with the disposition to stand up when Vill uses you as a punching bag in the last minutes of the game.
Mullin's display of emotion may be the highlight of the season.
 
The SJU roster just seems to be made of players who are all nice guys leaving the roster without any toughness. You don't need dirty players but you do require a player(s) with the disposition to stand up when Vill uses you as a punching bag in the last minutes of the game.
Mullin's display of emotion may be the highlight of the season.
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Being nice guys should not have anything to do with it. The word I would use is soft, which I can understand based on the absence of big bodies on the team. Mel Davis was a super nice guy. After freshman games he would go into the stands or hang in the aisles at Alumni Hall and sign programs and chat with kids and their dads. Being friendly didn't stop him from being a fierce opponent, especially under the glass. The ball came of the rim, and he attacked the ball like a MMA fighter attacks his opponent's head.

Not a guy on the team seemed too concerned when scored upon. All the angst and shows of emotion occurred when they had the ball and a shot didn't fall. I have said it many times. Very few HS players know hot to defend, or care to defend. It doesn't get you a highlight reel on youtube, so what good can it be? It's up to the staff to teach players to defend, and get them to buy in to doing it every night. True, it's not easy with a lot of young players, and no upperclassmen to lead the way and to provide positive reinforcement. But 100 + points on multiple occasions? Opponents shooting over 60% from the field? Single digit scorers mired in shooting slumps lighting us up? A different culture regarding defense has to be established.
 
Sorry but it is not coaching. You want to say Mullin is not inspiring effort, ok, but we have guys not interested in playing defense. Ahmed opens the game up letting Jenkins shoot two rocking chair 3's and biting for a pump fake for the 6,432 time this year. That is effort, focus, and commitment, not coaching.
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when they score 100 + and aren't the first team to do it part of it is coaching
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Sorry but I disagree. If you want to blame the coach for not motivating effort from the players, I understand that, don't agree necessarily, but I understand. But when I see the lack of effort this team played with too much of the time, I put it on the players. Now again, the coaches recruited the players and if you want to take that angle to blame, I get that too. But at the end of the day, the only player I fully respect on this years team is Owens, the only player to me who can look in the mirror and can say he consistently left it on the court on both ends. Certainly not our most talented or best player but if the rest committed like he did we would have had a significantly better year and I would feel a lot more positive about the improvement we made. For those who said last nights win made for a successful season, if not for Owens' block Peak would have laid the ball in and we walk away first round losers again, that's how close that scenario played out. With 6 seconds on the clock and taking the ball out at mid court he got to the rim so fast Gtown still had time for a second chance to score after the block scrum. We won and that was great, no question, but the utter lack of effort today left a bad taste in my mouth.
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Agree with Ownes but we will just have to agree to disagree about coaching defense because if that was the case then Al Lobalbo to use an SJU example is completely irrelevant as well as plenty of coaches who have a defensive identity

My biggest problem with the defense is we didnt improve from last year with better players so I'm not exactly sure what happened over the summer when supposedly most of the work is being done
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Agree to disagree but to beat a dead horse, improvement cannot and will not happen in anything in life if it doesn't start with effort and commitment. I have no problem with our record, losing to Nova, etc. I also think Ponds and Lovett are terrific offensive players and I hope Lovett stays. But all the coaching in the world will not help players who are not willing to leave it out there at BOTH ends of the court. One example, and I am not saying it is only Lovett by any means, this is just one example, but he is one of the quickest players I have ever seen with the ball in his hands, saw it many times this year. Yet I am hard pressed to remember one time he used that quickness to smother a ball handler, to make his man uncomfortable, turn him a time or two, etc. Basically the people he covered went where they wanted, when they wanted. To many that's ok, he averaged 17 and we can blame the defense on coaching; me, I put that bipolar play squarely on the player. Just different way of looking at players I guess. To me it starts with defense.
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I can accept having one player that dogs it in defense. Maybe even a second player that comes off the bench. But to have a team full of players that don't defend at all, or try to defend but don't do it well? At some point, you have to look at the staff. Very often it wasn't weak defense, it was no defense whatsoever. I don't buy into the lack of effort argument for the blow outs and frequent poor starts. At least Ali B made players feel it when they drove to the basket. The amount of uncontested drives to the basket and three point shots allowed from day one until the final game was staggering. I would like to see a defensive specialist added to the staff. If it doesn't work, we can rule out the staff. At this point, I have to leave the staff into the equation.
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I have never said the staff wasn't in the equation, if you think adding a "defensive specialist" whatever that is, will improve the defense fine, I don't. You know what I think will improve the defense, when we have a roster that can legitimately give the coaches options for playing time for the players that look on defense as a time to rest. Mullin tried things, different lineups, sitting guys at times, tried a zone but why would guys who dog it playing man go balls out in a zone? Coaching is part of the equation, I agree, but when guys don't want to play unless the ball is in their hands and you look down the bench and see what Mullin saw? Well, you tell me.
 
winner of the 8-9 game needs to play at 7pm the next day vs 1 seed ( not making excuses but that just needs to be done )
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Lets see what you think the next time we are a 1 seed and get that advantage
 
winner of the 8-9 game needs to play at 7pm the next day vs 1 seed ( not making excuses but that just needs to be done )
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Lets see what you think the next time we are a 1 seed and get that advantage
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When was the last time we had a 1 seed ? lol

Plus I'd think the Big East would want better tv ratings at 7pm
 
winner of the 8-9 game needs to play at 7pm the next day vs 1 seed ( not making excuses but that just needs to be done )
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Lets see what you think the next time we are a 1 seed and get that advantage
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When was the last time we had a 1 seed ? lol

Plus I'd think the Big East would want better tv ratings at 7pm
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Against Tulane :)
 
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